No way this is going to be more powerful then the PS4. Nintendo's pricing strategy is to be the cheapest console on the market.
The Wii U was more powerful than the 360 in every measure and matched that strategy. The Wii was competitive with the original XBox and more powerful than the GC and PS2. The 3DS did the same thing but it was more capable than the PS4. And ontop of all that the PS4 is one of the least powerful most powerful consoles in quite a while AND the Wii U is, relatively speaking, almost as competitive a console Gamecube.
So don't look at the PS4 as a static and unchanging benchmark of horsepower. Every year that thing is out it becomes less of a benchmark. A "Wii U" strategy will give us a PS4 level of power in 2016. That's just the way things are. The same thing is true of the Wii U. The "Wii strategy" would basically involve them re-branding the Wii U given how powerful it was relatively and how early in the cycle we are.
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The Wii U is powerful enough for me, personally. The NX could only be marginally more powerful than the Wii U and I would be happy, as long as there are games.
That would be awful. That would essentially mean Nintendo is rereleasing the Wii U and forcing you to buy the new version to play games that really could have worked on Wii U. That's ridiculously anti-consumer.
Unless you are assuming there would be another unique feature, in which case disregard my comment.
That's basically what the PS4 and One were until this past holiday... Libraries full of slightly improved PS3/360 ports and cross-generation titles.
EDIT: ...and I personally wasn't interested in either until this E3. I wasn't interested in the One until they said "backwards compatibility" and the PS4 showed off The Last Guardian (which will hopefully be out this generation) and Horizon: Zero Dawn (which I just think looks cool). Other than the graphical upgrade, the PS4 and One don't offer anything that couldn't be done on the PS3 or 360 (as proven by the cross-gen titles). At the very least the Wii U allows for games to attempt something different or enhance the experience...and even when it falls short of doing that, you still have games that couldn't be done on the Wii.
I'm honestly confused on "Ps4 power" being so relevant. Even a year and a half in, I'm pretty sure less than 15% of PS4 games needed PS4's power. 90% of games nowadays seem to be downloadable stuff that isn't that powerful.
I'm not saying it's irrelevant but considering people's apathy towards buying the typical AAA releases on a Nintendo console, why would Nintendo focus on that? What logical reason is there? It isn't like the Xbox One/PS4 market is the only one that exists in gaming. Even looking at the PC market (aka the place with the fans who love having powerful gaming rigs), I just checked Steam's top 10 games list, 7 are on the PS3, 1 Gary's Mod, 1 is an iOS looking thing and 1 is Witcher 3. So 1/10.
The super casual "Nintendo" fans are gone. Going after them will accomplish nothing. Whose left then?! Who should Nintendo market to now?! US!!! The hardcore Nintendo fans who try our best to support them! We will buy the 3rd party games we want on a Nintendo platform if it isn't garbage. I would love to see a actual powerful Nintendo console that's fast and has Nintendo themes. The Wii U isn't powerful at all... It's very slow. Mario Kart 8 looks pretty nice but imagine it on a better and stronger Nintendo console. We can't keep going through these gimmick situations!
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The super casual "Nintendo" fans are gone. Going after them will accomplish nothing. Whose left then?! Who should Nintendo market to now?! US!!! The hardcore Nintendo fans who try our best to support them! We will buy the 3rd party games we want on a Nintendo platform if it isn't garbage. I would love to see a actual powerful Nintendo console that's fast and has Nintendo themes. The Wii U isn't powerful at all... It's very slow. Mario Kart 8 looks pretty nice but imagine it on a better and stronger Nintendo console. We can't keep going through these gimmick situations!
I don't even know how to respond to this... I'll just say that we have two (maybe more now?) 3DS games that push the system so hard that it got a revision...and the Wii U is the slow one? I think we'd be better off with the NX being a handheld console if getting a home console just means minor graphical upgrades to great looking games.
I want a new console to be able to provide a new experience, not just prettier pictures...
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The super casual "Nintendo" fans are gone. Going after them will accomplish nothing. Whose left then?! Who should Nintendo market to now?! US!!! The hardcore Nintendo fans who try our best to support them! We will buy the 3rd party games we want on a Nintendo platform if it isn't garbage. I would love to see a actual powerful Nintendo console that's fast and has Nintendo themes. The Wii U isn't powerful at all... It's very slow. Mario Kart 8 looks pretty nice but imagine it on a better and stronger Nintendo console. We can't keep going through these gimmick situations!
I don't even know how to respond to this... I'll just say that we have two (maybe more now?) 3DS games that push the system so hard that it got a revision...and the Wii U is the slow one? I think we'd be better off with the NX being a handheld console if getting a home console just means minor graphical upgrades to great looking games.
I want a new console to be able to provide a new experience, not just prettier pictures...
That's why I said I want a Nintendo version of a PS4. Strong, powerful, fast, good online, JRPGS, innovative but not too overboard, etc. The PS4 isn't just pretty pictures. Do yourself a favor and spend some time with it. Then play the Wii U afterwards. It's not fast, it doesn't even have themes, and the list runs on. I still love my Wii U, though.
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The Wii U is powerful enough for me, personally. The NX could only be marginally more powerful than the Wii U and I would be happy, as long as there are games.
That would be awful. That would essentially mean Nintendo is rereleasing the Wii U and forcing you to buy the new version to play games that really could have worked on Wii U. That's ridiculously anti-consumer.
Unless you are assuming there would be another unique feature, in which case disregard my comment.
That's basically what the PS4 and One were until this past holiday... Libraries full of slightly improved PS3/360 ports and cross-generation titles.
EDIT: ...and I personally wasn't interested in either until this E3. I wasn't interested in the One until they said "backwards compatibility" and the PS4 showed off The Last Guardian (which will hopefully be out this generation) and Horizon: Zero Dawn (which I just think looks cool). Other than the graphical upgrade, the PS4 and One don't offer anything that couldn't be done on the PS3 or 360 (as proven by the cross-gen titles). At the very least the Wii U allows for games to attempt something different or enhance the experience...and even when it falls short of doing that, you still have games that couldn't be done on the Wii.
I agree with you 100%, which is why I railed against the PS4 and XB1 for selling on hype and empty promise.
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I have to agree with @Blast it maybe nice to see nintendo get creative but lately the core nintendo face base have been wanting for a gamecube 2.0(In terms of power and how simple yet powerful it was compared to the other systems at the time)
I wouldnt mind a gamecube 2......
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The Wii U is powerful enough for me, personally. The NX could only be marginally more powerful than the Wii U and I would be happy, as long as there are games.
That would be awful. That would essentially mean Nintendo is rereleasing the Wii U and forcing you to buy the new version to play games that really could have worked on Wii U. That's ridiculously anti-consumer.
Unless you are assuming there would be another unique feature, in which case disregard my comment.
That's basically what the PS4 and One were until this past holiday... Libraries full of slightly improved PS3/360 ports and cross-generation titles.
EDIT: ...and I personally wasn't interested in either until this E3. I wasn't interested in the One until they said "backwards compatibility" and the PS4 showed off The Last Guardian (which will hopefully be out this generation) and Horizon: Zero Dawn (which I just think looks cool). Other than the graphical upgrade, the PS4 and One don't offer anything that couldn't be done on the PS3 or 360 (as proven by the cross-gen titles). At the very least the Wii U allows for games to attempt something different or enhance the experience...and even when it falls short of doing that, you still have games that couldn't be done on the Wii.
I agree with you 100%, which is why I railed against the PS4 and XB1 for selling on hype and empty promise.
That's what you're suppose to do to. Give people fake promises and they will eat it up and throw money at you.
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@Blast: The PS4 isn't that powerful at all. It's a low end to mid-range PC. The online? PSN has been really unstable this generation. PS4 has mostly been a PS3 with somewhat better specs. Like @iKhan said, PS4 has mostly been selling on hype and empty promises - smokes and mirrors.
Tsk tsk. This tweet has caused so much chaos and loss of faith. And why? People are filling in the blanks with the worst possible answers, rather than reasonably thinking about the context around this message. Allow me:
The NX is definitely not aiming to compete with the likes of PS4 on a power level. Absolutely sure of that now.
Now, given the reputation of the poster in question, I don't doubt he's quoting someone with some involvement with the NX. Despite this, realize that information about the NX is still very need-to-know right now. Many posters already have seen the vague wording used. In fact, if you'll recall, Miyamoto has said in the past that Nintendo seeks to avoid competition with other major consoles, and do its own thing. They typically "don't aim to compete" with anyone, instead creating new ideas they think will make the experience on their console unique, and thus warrant a purchase without having to be as powerful
Before claiming that I've confirmed the NX being an underpowered console, really consider what that means...to not "aim to compete". It says absolutely nothing about how powerful the NX will be. In all likelihood, the poster in question spoke to someone, and asked them about the power of the console and if it could be expected to compete with the PS4. What he posted was likely the response, that Nintendo isn't aiming to compete with the PS4 in terms of power. If this was the case, the answer was likely meant to be as vague and away from the question as possible, to not reveal anything about the NX.
And if you've caught on by now, you're probably wondering if the one who tweeted this rumor is trolling us by relaying this information out-of-context.
The answer is likely yes. Very yes.
The way I see it, the true power of the NX is still entirely up in the air. This panic has been pointless. Save your energy and tears for substantial evidence towards something worth worrying about.
People like me are worried because we want 3rd party support!!! We want rumors that suggest Nintendo is actually pursuing a powerful console. Some of us actually dream of a Nintendo console where I can enjoy a game like Xenoblade Chronicles X and Kingdom Hearts 3 and Dark Souls 3 and Final Fantasy XV and Smash and Mario Kart and the list runs on. A weak Nintendo console that's relying on gimmicks and the super casual "Nintendo" fan will be very disappointing to me unless this gimmick is the best freaking gimmick of all time.
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@TwilightAngel: That's not a good thing. Do you want to be controlled by the companies? The reason they get away with this **** is because people let them. Don't support it.
@IceClimbers: How many times has PSN been hacked again? Cause can't forget about that. Those consumers are paying for online that get hacked and is unstable. Funny
@TwilightAngel: Don't know about hacked, but they've been DDoS attacked several times. I lost count personally. Even when there isn't a DDoS PSN can be rather unstable. Drives me nuts haha.
@Blast: The PS4 isn't that powerful at all. It's a low end to mid-range PC. The online? PSN has been really unstable this generation. PS4 has mostly been a PS3 with somewhat better specs. Like @iKhan said, PS4 has mostly been selling on hype and empty promises - smokes and mirrors.
PSN is still a million times better than Wii U's online. We don't have themes or a good account system. And the PS4 and Xbox One selling off smoke and mirrors isn't fair. They are both great consoles in their own way. They are selling well for good reasons.
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@TwilightAngel: That's not a good thing. Do you want to be controlled by the companies? The reason they get away with this **** is because people let them. Don't support it.
Why you telling me this? I said that's what their suppose to do to get money from everyone who believes it! And it works for third party dev's and companies it's a business after all companies aren't your friend and that includes Nintendo. Remember that everyone
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@Blast: No it's not it's okay at best. And people are paying for it that's what makes it worse. That goes for Xbox Live as well i'll rather have a free stable online then pay for online that is not and that gets hacked. And believe i played on both current gen consoles online features,i know what i'm talking about it's not worth it.
I wouldn't mind a powerhouse Nintendo console either, but the problem is that it might not be possible, at least from what PC gamers on this forum have said.
Tsk tsk. This tweet has caused so much chaos and loss of faith. And why? People are filling in the blanks with the worst possible answers, rather than reasonably thinking about the context around this message. Allow me:
The NX is definitely not aiming to compete with the likes of PS4 on a power level. Absolutely sure of that now.
Now, given the reputation of the poster in question, I don't doubt he's quoting someone with some involvement with the NX. Despite this, realize that information about the NX is still very need-to-know right now. Many posters already have seen the vague wording used. In fact, if you'll recall, Miyamoto has said in the past that Nintendo seeks to avoid competition with other major consoles, and do its own thing. They typically "don't aim to compete" with anyone, instead creating new ideas they think will make the experience on their console unique, and thus warrant a purchase without having to be as powerful
Before claiming that I've confirmed the NX being an underpowered console, really consider what that means...to not "aim to compete". It says absolutely nothing about how powerful the NX will be. In all likelihood, the poster in question spoke to someone, and asked them about the power of the console and if it could be expected to compete with the PS4. What he posted was likely the response, that Nintendo isn't aiming to compete with the PS4 in terms of power. If this was the case, the answer was likely meant to be as vague and away from the question as possible, to not reveal anything about the NX.
And if you've caught on by now, you're probably wondering if the one who tweeted this rumor is trolling us by relaying this information out-of-context.
The answer is likely yes. Very yes.
The way I see it, the true power of the NX is still entirely up in the air. This panic has been pointless. Save your energy and tears for substantial evidence towards something worth worrying about.
I agree with you, the quote seemed entirely too vague to be real or mean anything. And if you read any of his other tweets you'll see he has a habit of antagonizing Nintendo fans, especially ones from NeoGaf, although some of them antagonized back. One thing I considered is that maybe he did get negative info, but it was intentionally negative so that the trail would be mislead from the NX, and then once the NX is revealed it would look better by contrast. Obviously that's highly unlikely, but crazier things have happened.
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@Blast: The PS4 isn't that powerful at all. It's a low end to mid-range PC. The online? PSN has been really unstable this generation. PS4 has mostly been a PS3 with somewhat better specs. Like @iKhan said, PS4 has mostly been selling on hype and empty promises - smokes and mirrors.
PSN is still a million times better than Wii U's online. We don't have themes or a good account system. And the PS4 and Xbox One selling off smoke and mirrors isn't fair. They are both great consoles in their own way. They are selling well for good reasons.
There are literally 5 well received major releases on PS4 that weren't available on PS3 or Xbox 360. 4 of those games, Evolve, Bloodborne, Witcher 3, and Arkham Knight released in the last 6 months. Only one of those games, Infamous: Second Son, was available in the first year.
Don't believe me? Look through this, it's kind of embarassing really. http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/ps... Those are the only 5 major titles with green scores. You have a few indie titles like Broken Age, but even they aren't really taking advantage of PS4 hardware.
I don't see much of a good reason to buy a PS4 in there. The PS4 sold off of graphics hype and the promise of great games to come. There weren't many games that really sold the idea that you were getting a brand new experience for your $400 purchase.
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