Topic: Most Tedious Internet Debates

@Snatcher I hope you enjoy them! The two games are fairly long though, so you might not be able to finish them entirely when 3 comes out. I wish you the best in doing so though!

@VoidofLight Thanks, because from what I heard, there worth taking your time with, so if I have to slow down I will.

@kkslider5552000 Yeah it’s pretty annoying. Like void said I don’t mind if someone got into a series because someone found the characters attractive, heck it’s how and why I even got into some series, but that didn’t mean all of a sudden every single game, everything about it had to be about fan service,

It’s just what got me into it, not what’s making me play it, but if that’s the case for people there’s games for that.

I think most of what I would bring up has been covered: game worth/pricing, what makes a fan or game "true" in respect to a series, sexualized female characters/fanservice, difficulty vs. accessibility, dexit and graphical debates for the newer Pokemon games...I guess I could add the Switch Pro debates, and just long winded discussions on rumors spanning multiple years in general.

Definitely the "everything has to be open world" debate, ever since BotW's gigantic success there's been a lot of "[insert franchise] BotW needs to be the future for [insert franchise]" and it's so frustrating because the future of Zelda seems to be just BotW style. It's fantastic that there's ports, remasters and remakes of 2D and traditional 3D Zelda games for Switch (hence why BotW 2's delay is so exciting) but it would also be nice to see new titles that aren't BotW style.

Yeah that is dumb, it's clearly Tom Morello!

The anger we see every time a non-RPG Paper Mario game releases gets old. The series has changed. Deal or move on.

@Grumblevolcano In fairness, we've had exactly one open-world Zelda to date vs at least five OoT-style experiences (just in 3D; way more if you include 2D). Nintendo has barely had time to iterate on that style of game design yet. So I think it's fair that we probably won't be seeing new non-open world 3D Zeldas for a while.

@VoidofLight What's funny is that, for all the noise people make about it, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is pretty light on the fanservice scale. A few questionable outfits and camera shots, but nothing that would make the game be worth purchasing as smut.

With that said, if gacha elements and very light cheesecake are what a person enjoys about the game, and they're not interested in playing the others, then fair enough. People can and should enjoy what they enjoy.

@Link-Hero I think it’s a joke in all honesty.

@Grumblevolcano Agreed, don’t get me wrong, as much as I would love for every series I love to get the botw treatment, some games just don’t work for it, that and it doesn’t need to, if it happens great, if not it just is.

Sonic is one I think is pretty could for open world but I wouldn’t get made if it never happened and say sonic needs it.

@Grumblevolcano I know it’s really irritating seeing people demand that a franchise go open world.
And the main and only reason why I feel that BOTW’s impact on gaming is overrated.
I’m not saying that it’s bad I’m genuinely excited to play my copy of it but it feels like ever since it came out people have been hating games that are still traditional.

@blindsquarel oh man wait till you see the angriest comment thread on YouTube...oh boy just saying you like a song in sticker Star is enough to cause world war 3...

Grammar, spelling and punctuation on the interwebs. Using "than, instead of then" and vice versa; the wrong there/their/they're, etc.

I'll echo the sentiments behind those mentioning the "sexualization/censorship" debate.

Yes, many of the games that lean on it (sexualization) heavily are clunky & mediocre at best (though I personally think the main Senran Kagura games are pretty competent), but I can't stand how self righteous some of the detractors can be, conflating them with outright p0rn (like they've never heard of the concept of cheesecake) or worse. Some of the lowest common denominators (like Waifu Uncovered) sure I can maybe sympathize, but then you have those acting like games like Xenoblade Chronicles 2 are too scandalous to be played in public (and there are a few like that).

I will die mad about Paper Mario, but being correct but obnoxious is still obnoxious, so I agree. I realized after I talked about the most Paper Mario a couple of times "I wanna avoid talking about this anymore. I'm upset, but let's not be annoying".

To me the point has nothing to even do with the new Paper Mario games anymore. They still seem very obviously flawed in some areas, but TTYD had terrible backtracking for lulz so...whatever. They can exist, people can like them. I'll probably like Origami King if I ever get around to it. But they still had an RPG series with so much potential that were a high point of Nintendo's output, instead put out a game everyone agrees was significantly worse, just kept going in that direction, and slowly killed the other Mario RPG series. And now there is none of the Mario RPGs I love. And that just sucks. But getting mad at the new games BECAUSE they're not the old RPGs, is not much of a worthwhile discussion.

It also doesn't help that the most beloved game on the series is stuck exclusively on Nintendo's 2nd worst selling console, despite coming out 18 years ago. I just saw it at PAX East today, it costs nearly 200 dollars. Guess I'm lucky my favorite is the first one, I could play that on Switch right now if I wanted to.

I'd echo what some others have said and maybe even go a tad further. When people complain about localisations or publishers deciding to alter a game or not release a game for whatever reason. That I don't have TOO much of a problem with. But when they then go on a rant about censorship and "freedom of speech".....

Americans who not only don't understand their own constitution but also fail to recognise that the whole world is not America. A private company choosing what they do and don't publish and when? That's a form of speech. When Nintendo decides to alter the clothing of some random character for US release or when Valve pulls some game off their storefront because it's too violent? That's not some government coming down and stifling debate. It's certainly not government coming down and stopping criticism of itself. It's a private company either making a statement or altering its product in an effort to maximise revenue. People complaining about these things are not defending freedom of speech, they're attacking it

Also, as someone who lives in one of only a couple of places in the world (along with probably Scotland) known for using c*** as a casual greeting? Can I just say, American in general are super prudish compared to the rest of us. So can you please stop pretending that you're somehow the hero in this story? Because you're not. You guys are the reason why your games don't have sideboob which.... is apparently a huge deal for some reason? I mean what are you, 12? Why do you even want to be the "hero" in this debate?

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Oh, and on this forum? The most tedious posts are the people who come into the rumour and speculation threads or onto posts about rumours only to complain about everyone talking about rumours and speculation. Yes person reading this who's about to make a post complaining about rumours and speculation in this thread, I'm talking to you

@kkslider5552000 TTYD tends to go between $70 - 100 on ebay for a complete version (w/manual + box) in good condition, so the price you saw was pretty outrageous.

I mean, I want the games to be RPGs too. Arguably the only real issue I had with TOK (which is currently toe-to-toe with TTYD as my favorite game in the series atm) was the lack of RPG progression mechanics. It's fine to have and even voice that preference. But the "it's not an RPG so it's trash" crowd sucks, and that contingent makes it difficult to intelligently discuss this series online.

In general, as long as a person isn't obnoxious or unreasonable, I don't get offended when their opinions differ wildly from my own. Disagreements are fine, and I've even been moved to adjust my own positions on certain things at times when I found I couldn't really argue against the criticisms people were lodging against things I liked.

But some people you... just can't talk to.

@skywake I mean, yeah, a company not hosting a game or choosing to make alterations to it has nothing to do with anyone's freedom of speech.

AT THE SAME TIME, as a counterpoint, the argument that 'private company can do what it wants and it's ridiculous to complain' when it's something you don't care about or even don't like often seems disingenuous, as the same people who tend to employ said arguments will often become unreasonably angry when other companies decide to alter content they DO want to see more of. At that point, the real argument becomes clear: "It's OK for private companies to alter or censor content I don't like, but not when it's something I actually care about."

Moreover, I think you can reasonably argue that platform holders imposing unreasonable restrictions on what content can be on their systems is a bad path to go down if you value developers having more freedom of expression to create the products they want to create.

Frankly, rating boards exist for a reason. We already have a form of regulatory oversight in this industry in most countries.

So, yes, I agree the 'muh rightz iz being violated' crowd is ridiculous in these instances. But, when most people complain about publishers or especially platform holders censoring their games unnecessarily for certain markets, often to avoid controversy with vocal online subcultures that don't actually have much economic power on their own, I don't think they're necessarily adopting this position.

@Ralizah
When TTYD price got inflated like that, I choose to move on and play something else.
I can live without thinking about TTYD too much.

This one is my personal favourite lol.

Also just to add, one that really really pisses me off (maybe irrationally) but that is the sheer tedium of people who argue endlessly over the scores individual publications give individual games. They won't read the review to give themselves any context or nuance, just scroll straight down to the score and get big mad about that one score. But only because they rate the "quality of the score" based upon either them picking a title from a completely unrelated genre and then going "well that got a..." or because they only rate anything on a 1 or 10 scale, so rating a game anywhere between those two numbers makes them angry because they get so confused. How can you give three things a three out of a five in a row? You're obsessed with that number! Says internet moron who I can't believe is real. The internet moron continues, "Well I rate this a 10, so how can this review say it is worth an 8?". I'm gonna go make a big stink in the comments and argue with anyone who doesn't agree with the factual statement this is a 10, because I guess my entire life depends on you all thinking this is a ten.

That very common large Xbox communication droughts are fine just because Game Pass exists. Sure I get it, Game Pass is a good discovery tool but it really sucks when very little happens both in terms of releases and news in the first half of the year just because Xbox's main marketing is a big showcase around June covering the holiday season and far into the future.

Has this just turned into another unpopular gaming opinion thread? ;p

@jump I would say more or less lol.

Well I’m reviving yet another thread today, I am not entirely sure how I found an almost 1 year old abandoned thread but whatever, let’s get back into it

A debate that infuriates me in the modern age is people bickering over what someone else identifies as. It really is no one else’s business what someone else that aren’t themselves identifies as online. Like that whole Chris from Mrbeast thing. Some truly hateful souls attacking and debating a person who changed to make themself happier as a person. It’s so messed up that people like that still exist