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Seems like this is using the same or similar netcode as Smash and Mario Maker 2, so accurate but gets laggy and choppy at any connection instability or fluctuation.

Come on Nintendo what are you waiting for to improve your online codes wtf just hire people or something it's ridiculous.

N64 was my first console. After years of playing on Xbox, then PS, then PC, going back to Nintendo with the Wii U was a breath of fresh air! Some of the most fun gaming experiences I’ve ever had.

@nessisonett Exactly. That’s why I kept telling some people around here that #savesmash is about more than just Melee.

Hey NintendoLife, don’t forget to report on Nintendo shutting down the PlayVS Ultimate-only collegiate league. Thanks.
#FreeUltimate #SaveSmash

@Kitoro Thanks? not sure why you're saying that...

@Giygas_95 Lol! I did the exact same thing! Played Ike Very Hard first try, was at 8hp, him at more than 100hp. Went offstage yolo with Aether and intercepted his up-b!

@The-Chosen-one @Miztic1 Ayy glad to see some fellow hardcore smashers around here! Same for me, before the lockdown there was always Smash happening at lunch and on Friday evening at work! Now we haven't been playing as much since we're working from home but we still play every week online!

I think people like Razer saying such things just don't have anyone to play with so they just can't understand. Playing alone offline or against random people online grows boring real quick.

@Ryu_Niiyama Yeah Sakurai is always so nice to listen to! I'm glad he makes those lengthy in-depth presentations for every new character! I never get tired of hearing him geek out about his favourite games and get lost in details about the latest additions

@Razer Dude it's ***** 2020 perhaps you should try to be considerate and understand that the whole world was and still is a mess. Stop complaining that you're not getting entertained enough.

@Razer Imagine thinking a game is not worth playing or caring about anymore just because it's 2 years old. Also 120 hours are rookie numbers.

@JokerCK Imagine still not getting that #savesmash is about all of Smash and not just Melee...

New content is always welcome, but at this point I just want the game to play better. I hope we get some adjustments to the core game like they've done with the previous two online improvements.

Toad character reveal confirmed for the Game Awards let's gooo

@Wexter Well I never pretended what I said was anything more than anecdotal. It was just an example of what I mean by exposure provided by Melee still being a thing after all these years.

Whatever happened with the sexual scandals, the fact remains that Nintendo also found value in competitive Melee being a thing.

@Wexter Oh of course this is complicated. I’m not saying this is an easy situation to deal with.

Sure Nintendo didn’t get a cent from me emulating Melee years ago, but they did get hundreds from me over the years because I was “exposed” to Melee in the first place. I’m not saying Nintendo are making money directly from Melee copies, I mean they get money indirectly because exposure is exposure.

Nintendo also used Melee competitors to promote both Smash 4 and Ultimate so there’s that too.

Nintendo should hire Fizzi to implement rollback netcode into Smash Ultimate and start working on an official Melee HD. Won’t happen but that’d be nice.

@Wexter Having a healthy competitive scene for Smash Melee still promotes the Smash series as a whole, not just Melee itself. It’s exposure to the series, which can in turn make people want to just play Smash in general and make them pick up a copy of the new one.

As an anecdotal fact, years ago I bought a Wii U with Brawl while waiting for Smash 4 and to get back into the Nintendo ecosystem after skipping the Gamecube and the Wii... because I played Melee on emulator for a summer, took notice of the big community behind it and that reminded me how awesome Nintendo games are. I’ve spent a lot of money on Nintendo since then.

But hey Melee is old so it doesn’t have any value and celebrating a game celebrating tons of Nintendo IPs obviously does not bring exposure to those other series at all right?

@Wexter Indeed I agree the term “savesmash” is overly dramatic and all of this is too much rumors, claims and speculation. Though I do think there is enough smoke to warrant investigating for a fire. Unfortunately for me that’s where it ends as I do not have the means to get further tangible information. All I can do is encourage a website like Nintendo Life to look into this and reach out to both the tournament organizers and to Nintendo for clarifications instead of writing this ***** article encouraging hate speech.

Thank you for participating in a decent conversation about the subject. Have a nice day Wexter.

@Wexter Thing is, all of this requires more investigation and inquiries. I don’t really see why you think I would have all the answers. I’m not involved in the scene and I am not a journalist. I’m just someone who has been following the conversation. I do find it surprising that you don’t see anything odd and concerning with Nintendo dangling carrots in front of potential partners like Twitch only to back out after.

Having said that, to answer your question, there was a big circuit planned for 2020 called the “Smash World Tour 2020” and organized by Super Smash Con and VGBootCamp. It was to give more value to all tournaments with a points-based system depending on the caliber of the events to have more official rankings and to encourage more people to attend more events all around the world. Apparently Nintendo were already in talk to shut it down before the pandemic happened.

Also one of the claims of “savesmashers” is that not much is going on anymore in regards to partners and sponsors trying to get into the scene because Nintendo have discouraged and blocked them in the past. They’re not trying anymore because they can’t.

@Wexter Nobody’s talking about sales though.

You are allowed to agree with Nintendo’s refusal to let the competitive scene flourish. Many find it unfortunate for those who invested a lot of effort into it but you are entitled to your opinion.

The sexual scandals are a separate issue that concern the perpetrators and the victims. It’s not like Smash has a “rape” culture or something like that.

My main issue here is the article mixing up various subjects without any real information or sufficient research having been done.

@Wexter Here: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srfu4r

Have a good read. #SaveSmash is about asking Nintendo to stop actively sabotaging the Smash esport scene, not about asking them to support the scene or support mods.

If only Nintendo Life were actually doing their job as journalists to seek out more information regarding this instead of writing this crappy article, all those ignorant commentators in the comments hating on Smash fans for no reasons would get a clue.

@marioguy20 I agree that “savesmash” is too dramatic and apparently makes a lot of people over here take it too literally. It’s not about saving the series itself, it’s about saving the competitive/esport side of it. It’s also not just about Big House either anymore. It’s more about forcing Nintendo to engage in the conversation and discuss why they keep actively bringing the competitive scene down instead of letting it flourish by itself. It started with Big House, but it’s way beyond that now.

Nintendo Life should actually try to cover this with actual information instead of just fuelling toxicity with fallacies.

@gameboy1975 This whole article has a silly logic to begin with. It makes correlations where there isn’t and calls out things that have been addressed already without even actually discussing what #SaveSmash is about. Most commentators here also show they have no idea what’s going on just like the author and are just hating on the Smash community.

@Damo Not really. What organizers of these events need to better prevent these kind of issues from happening is more structure and regulations and money to make it happen. Currently they struggle to make these events happen at all. Having more “diversity” won’t give them the means to better protect, supervise and regulate minors attending these events.

@Damo But diversity has nothing to do with what is discussed in the article. It just came out of nowhere.

@BirdBoy16 Because the author brought gender equality into the discussion for no reasons and people started pointing that out lol

@BarryandWill Well yes point the finger at Nintendo for preventing what the author advocates in their article from being possible.

Here’s the main part of my original comment that you should perhaps pay more attention to:
“With more support and resources from Nintendo, all those venues could have been made more secure and better organized.”

@Damo Actually the worst sexual assault story to come out of this whole thing was perpetrated by a woman... (nothing against women btw it’s just not really relevant to the discussion)

@BarryandWill You don’t understand what I mean. I’m not saying Nintendo directly caused this. I mean that it’s not realistic to expect people with very little resources to be able to control and secure events with hundreds and even thousands of participants.

@Anri02 I’m more blaming the flawed argument of this article. If the author wants a party to be able do anything about what happened, to amend for it, that party needs the resources and authority to do so. However Nintendo are the ones stopping any kind of « official league » from being formed for the Smash scene.

@Decapre Well it’s one of the main reasons. It’s constant massive exposure. Not many games have the luxury of having such a dedicated fanbase advertising them for years on end.

@JRRR92 Yeah that part made no sense. That had nothing to do with what happened and what is being discussed here. Made the whole article lose credibility.

@nessisonett What happened is that Twitch was working out a deal with Nintendo to make Smash as a whole an actual official « esport ». Nintendo basically told Twitch, if Project M is streamed we have no deal. So Twitch reached out to relevant people within the community to explain them this. Everyone agreed to drop PM on the promise that official support from Nintendo was on the way. PM was worth « sacrificing » to finally make this happen.

Turns out Nintendo were just manipulating everyone and they dropped the deal with Twitch anyway.

They killed PM stealthily instead of making it public.

@nessisonett I suggest you to read up on it. Also I just said Nintendo did not cease and desist Project M.

@Decapre Competitive Smash is incredible advertising for Smash though. It’s one of the reasons why Smash is so popular. Besides, me and the majority of people I know who love these games play them with competitive rulesets. I don’t go to tournaments either I just enjoy fair and competitive fights rather than chaotic and frustrating « casual » fights.

@nessisonett On the contrary, Nintendo killed Project M. They threaten organizations to drop their support of Project M to let it fade away without actually doing a cease and desist to avoid backlash from the fans.

The irony of this article is that those sexual assaults and harassments happened over the years specifically in part because of Nintendo’s refusal to embrace and support the competitive scene.

With more support and resources from Nintendo, all those venues could have been made more secure and better organized.

As it is, the grassroots organizers cannot do anything about what happened.

Point the finger at Nintendo, Nintendo Life, not to the people who just want to enjoy their favourite game and hobby.

#savesmash