@Dezzy We already covered this point, and I'm not making that leap, I'm saying it's sometimes the case.
I'm not saying that depicting something = endorsing it at all. I specifically used the example of the hero, because in some stories/movies/etc. the hero is used as a vehicle to advocate values. But not always. If you think this is never the case, then we just disagree.
Game of thrones does not celebrate the bad behaviour of it's characters, but it still presents character traits that are clearly designed to be seen by the audience as admirable.
Obviously this is interpretation of art and thus can be argued about forever without there being a right answer unless the artist comes forward and explains their intentions.
Whether the reviewer should be slow to make such conclusions, I don't really have any opinion on. Why? So as to avoid upsetting anime fans? Meh. I can understand the sort of things the reviewer is referring to without necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with this judgement. It's still informative in my view. I don't see any need to remove the personality of the reviewer from the review, all reviewers have their particular slant, and the reader needs to interpret that for themselves.
@Dezzy I'm not personally all that sensitive about this stuff, but if you watch old films, from an era where society in general was more misogynistic, the hero obviously embodies the attitudes of the day. So you can say that the film promotes certain qualities as being that of a hero. E.g. often the hero will force himself onto a woman in a way that would be considered quite unacceptable today. This is really not uncommon in films of 40-50 years ago. You could say that's misogynistic (it is of course a product of it's time). And it doesn't have to be from some by gone era. Obviously as attitudes change, across society you have different views, some people will consider a given behaviour to be perfectly fine, other might consider it racist or misogynistic. Lets say a film maker who is on the more conservative end of that spectrum makes a film, and imbues his main character with traits and attitudes that he thinks are admirable. Well others might find that character to be misogynistic, and thus say the film is misogynistic. It's unlikely that you're going to have as much agreement on this recent film, as some past film. As time goes on, perhaps there will be more agreement on it, perhaps not. Ultimately it's all value judgements, and anyone can disagree about a value judgement, and over time consensus may develop, one way or the other.
And obviously you have different cultures. In some countries women have to cover themselves up when they go outside. I'd call that misogynistic. That's an extreme example. But Japan has cultural differences that I think many understandably find misogynistic. This is a country where women getting groped on trains is a serious problem. This is not a serious problem in the west. These differences manifest in many different ways.
@Dualmask Putting aside whether the description is accurate, it does say something about the story. And story is a big part of games, at least it is for some people.
What I am assuming (and could be wrong) is that the game features strong males and weak, helpless, infantilised, doe eyed females. Fine if that's your thing, but it's not mine. I'm as big a pervert as anyone, probably worse than most, but the way that females are often depicted in certain types of anime is off-putting to me. It's not even that I think it's immoral or anything, there seems to be a culture of some asian women actually acting like helpless children, called kawaii or something? I just find it cringey and weird and have zero interest in playing games with that stuff in it.
@Rayquaza2510 "you seem to think your opinion about anime or this type of games is the right one"
Was that most strongly indicated in the part where I said I have no idea about this particular anime? Or the part where I said that just like any other piece of media, I love some anime, and dislike other?
" the way you seems to see anime as "designed to titillate males" "
You mean where I said "a lot of" i.e. some anime is designed to titillate males? And then also said so is much of Hollywood film, and other pieces of media?
I think you're misrepresenting what I'm actually saying.
The idea that because we have porn people never jerk off to non pornographic material is a bizarre one. Speak for yourself I suppose, but sexuality is more complicated than that. People become infatuated with particular actors, or characters. I mean, what if you can't find hentai for the particular anime character you have a crush on? Or what if you are more aroused by them when they are wearing their sailor suit than when they are nude?
@Rayquaza2510 Lol, I specifically did not say that
I don't think offending people is necessarily fine, but I think worrying overly about offending people on the internet is a fools errand, because people get offended by everything. For example, in this article and the comments we can see people offended by what they perceive as misogyny, and people who are offended by other people being offended by this because they object to it being called misogynistic as they perceive that to be a negative reflection on themselves and their love this type of anime.
@Heavyarms55 I didn't say it wasn't a stereotype. I used it specifically because it's a stereotype. I'm fully owning up to it and not apologising.
I just don't care if you're offended. I was making a point that sailed over your head because you got triggered.
The review conveys the type of themes contained in the game. You can disagree with the value judgement of those themes, but we all understand the type of thing it indicates, that's the point I'm making. It's still informative, even if your view is that this sort of thing is not misogynistic. I'm not disputing that it probably offends some people, I just don't care. This site has an editorial slant, if you don't like it you can read other sites. Choice is great.
@Rayquaza2510 I don't really care if you're offended, just as I don't care if people are offended by the review.
I love some anime, and other anime I don't, same as anything else. If your claiming that a lot of anime isn't designed to titillate males, then I think you're wrong. Just as a lot of hollywood cinema is. Just like porn is. I like porn.
@Heavyarms55 I dunno what you're getting upset about or why you feel insulted. I didn't say there was anything wrong with being a basement nerd who jerks off to anime, it's just not my thing. It was a tongue in cheek comment that wasn't really the main point I was making. The point is, I can assume certain things about this game's story that won't appeal to me based on the review.
@Dezzy It is an important distinction. There are the attitudes of the characters involved, and there are the themes and messages of the media itself. Obviously it's possible to tell a story and is pushing a message, I'm sure you'd agree?
Now I'm not familiar with this game or this anime, so I can't comment on whether the claim that it's misogynistic in nature is accurate, I'm sure that's debatable, but claiming that a piece of media cannot be such is not an accurate claim in my opinion.
People use narratives to make points or put forward arguments intentionally, and narratives can demonstrates attitudes and points of view unintentionally due to the mindset of the creators.
@Dezzy Mysogyny is an attitude. A game, movie, book, or whatever else can convey an attitude. So you might reject it, but this may be because you don't understand it.
Whether or not this "harms" anyone is a different discussion.
Do you think it is impossible to make a game that has racist attitudes?
It's all subjective, and I don't find it offensive, it's legitimate to say that this about a piece of media.
@AlternateButtons They are critics and the story is part of what they critique. Mentioning that it's mysogynistic tells us something. I'm not offended by such things, but neither do I want to play a game with a story including that. This tells me what demographic the story is aimed at and that it's not for me. If it is for you, you can seek the game out. Why get so triggered? Reviews are supposed to give you an idea of what the game is so you can make a decision about whether to bother playing it. Does this line about mysogyny prevent you from doing that? No. So what are you upset about? That the reviewer doesn't share your values? Who cares. Do you expect people to share your values and generally get upset when they don't?
Tournaments are really fun, it's a great addition. But the first one they do is two stock, 2.5 mins? I think fully 50% of the matches I had went to sudden death. Pretty annoying when you are close to winning comfortably, and they realise there is 20 seconds left so stall out for sudden death.
I get why they made it short, so that those who finish their matches early aren't waiting for ages, but I think we can all afford to wait a couple more minutes without it ruining our day.
@Dman10 "Appealing" is a subjective judgement. It's of a particular style that appeals to those who like retro pixel art games. You can argue for appealing visuals if you find the visuals appealing.
@Vectorman It's not objectively the best because "Multiple other people & sources say so", the exact same reason you think "proves" Ultimate is the best. That's why it's a subjective judgement
@Vectorman Is there such a thing as Karma? I guess like the question of which smash bros game is best, you think that if you simply say it is so, then it is so. And if there is Karma, then perhaps you best worry for yourself, because I think Karma would look poorly upon those that declare the preferences of others to be the result of being stubborn, stuck in their ways, elitist, etc. and declaring yourself to be the cleverest, nicest, smartest, etc.
Anyhow, go have your shower, and revel in your new experience of the ignore button. Big day for you! Best you have an early night!
@Vectorman Why do you say the same things over and over? It's really weird.
Omg, you fool, if you go to the dictionary, you will find that it is one of those words that is spelled both ways. Obviously if you just literally "google" the word you will get results for either spelling. Do I need to do all your thinking for you?
@Vectorman Actually, you did say it was the best because the creators say it's the best. I quote:
"You think they would call it "Ultimate" if it wasn't? Yeah, right"
"The Nintendo company and the title are gonna lie about their product. ( Sarcasm/rolls eyes ). It's got Ultimate in the title, it's admitting it's the best"
"IF words have no meaning, what's the point?"
So the creator's word's cannot be wrong, but a reviewers words can be wrong? How does that make sense? You need to stop worshipping Nintendo and Sakurai. It's not about whether words have meaning, it's about whether someone's opinion is fact, when the entire thing is subjective.
Actually judgement is spelled with an e between the g and the m. I would have thought someone as smart as you would have looked that up in the dictionary before posting that. This is another way you are making a fool of yourself.
I already did say why or how you were rude to others.
I'm starting to suspect you are actually a troll, no one could be this ridiculous. A+ very convincing.
@Vectorman You think that if the makers of a game say it's the best, then that is proof that it's the best. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
How many game developers release a game and say "it's worse than the prequel, and worse than other games".
Your entire premise implies that game reviews serve no purpose. Apparently, according to you, game reviews only get it right when they agree with the claims of the developer. Again, one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
That is the why and how. You think that simply saying something is so, is evidence, in fact "proof" that it is so. This is not how reality works. I have said that you are dumb, does this "prove" you are dumb? Do words have no meaning? If I said it, it must be true right?
It's not about whether reviews should be trusted or not, it's about the fact that whether one game is better than another is an entirely subjective judgement. It depends on what the person making the judgement likes. And it certainly doesn't depend on whether the developer says it's the best, which is what they ALWAYS say, because they are SELLING A PRODUCT.
As for insults, you've made plenty yourself, accusing people who prefer melee of being stubborn, stuck in their ways, unable to change, elitist, etc. You are also arrogant, referring to yourself as being smart and logical and rational. You should be mocked, because you're arrogant and you insult other people and you make poor childish arguments.
@Vectorman Your reasons are not proof. Go and google the word, you clearly have no understanding of its meaning. You're simply giving your opinion. You think that the title proves that it's the best? Because they called it "ultimate"? You are making a total fool of yourself.
Logic dictates that how good a game is is not determined by the title, or how good the creator says it is. The creator is selling a product. Why even bother with game reviews if that's the case? Just read the title of the game and ask the developers if they think it is the best.
According to your logic, it is basically impossible for a sequel to be inferior to a prequel. So game reviews are a completely redundant and unnecessary endeavour. All the articles on this website that rank games in a series are a waste of time (and wrong), they should just put them in the chronological order in which they were developed and claim the latest one is the best.
As for: "plays too fast/can't tell what's happening", that's probably the result of the same defect that leads to these ridiculous opinions, which OptomertristLime correctly stated, could only be held by a child, or at least, a child's mind.
@Vectorman You want to use game sales as an argument, and you don't think it's relevant how many people actually own the console the game is made for? Hahaha, wow.
""Among other factors", as in it's better and has more"
This would be another example of you assuming another's thoughts.
"I"m older & more mature than you. You're nowhere near 30, you didn't hit it long ago, and if you did, Grow the heck up & act your age & don't be so immature! Be mature, like me. Or at least try to be nice & set a good example, like me. Thank you."
@Vectorman Then you need to make a case why in "this case" it serves as evidence. Especially given that the gamecube had a much smaller install base than the Wii.
"I never claimed to know the thoughts & feelings of others"
Oh really?
"they're stuck in their ways like a stubborn mule and can't accept any good changes"
"how dare you disrespect The Great Mr. Masahiro Sakurai"
Lol, what the hell is wrong with you?
" "Easy to find people to play with online"? Is that cause nobody wants to play with you in person? Huh?"
I said that I play ultimate instead of melee because it has online, among other factors, whereas melee does not have an online mode. So your comment makes no sense. And as you stated yourself, more people play ultimate. So obviously it's easier to find people to play it with. None of my co-workers play melee, many of them play ultimate.
@Kalmaro End it whenever you like. I think you've said rather a lot more than that, but it makes sense that you would try to distance yourself from many of your earlier comments.
@Vectorman I'm not a Melee player, I play ultimate.
The irony of accusing others of being elitist while you sit there and claim to know the thoughts and feelings of others.
You're also claiming that sales figures is proof that one game/movie/etc. is objectively better than another. Seriously... All the highest grossing box office films are objectively the best films? This is a laughable proposition. As is the idea that because Sakurai "worked hard" this means, no, "proves" that each sequel is objectively better than the last.
All the games play differently, and people play what they enjoy. I play ultimate because it's more popular and it has online, so it's easy for me to find people to play with. But I still enjoy Melee more, and would play it if I had people to play it with.
@Kalmaro Pretty sure he can and should do what he wants.
There are still smash 64 tournaments. There are still SF2 tournaments. There will always be something that is most popular, so what? That's not coexisting sort of, that's coexisting. Coexisting doesn't mean in equal size, proportion, or popularity, it just means they both exist. Melee is more popular than 64, brawl, and sm4sh. So obviously there is something people really like about it. Who's to say which game will last the longest. Will people still be playing ultimate in 10 years? Or Melee? Or the next one? Will the next one be a big disappointment like Brawl was? Was Brawl objectively better than Melee?
You want to play ultimate, play ultimate. You think high level melee players aren't aware that ultimate exists or the size of the scene? You think this guy is dumb or something?
I know people that just love melee and play it all the time. They've played ultimate, but they don't like it as much, so they don't play it.
Unless someone's actions are unethical, there is no reason to tell them they "should" do anything unless they are asking for your advice or help. I think he's a big boy and can decide for himself what he wants to play. Imagine telling someone else they "should" entertain themselves in a different way. Try to imagine that. You don't have to, because you're doing it.
@Luffymcduck I don't understand it either, I suspect because they are young children, and that's how young children think. "I like this better so you should like this better too"
@Kalmaro No one is denying that less people play Melee now than in the past. But people still play it, and others still watch it. You think Ultimate is better. They think Melee is better. It's an entertainment product and a piece of art, it's ridiculous to try and suggest one game, movie, painting, book, etc. is "objectively" better than another. If someone enjoys one more than the other, then they think it is better, in the ways that matter to them, it's a subjective judgement. You could perhaps make an argument for aspects of it being better, it runs at a better resolution, has a higher poly count, etc. But as an overall experience? That's a subjective judgement. Is every mario sequel objectively better than it's prequel? What about every Zelda game?
Anyway, keep telling people who are playing the game that they enjoy most, that they should play a game they enjoy less. Because that makes heaps of sense.
@Vectorman I think you're confused about what objective and subjective mean. Imagine saying Return of the Jedi is objectively better than A New Hope. You can list off that the budget is better, the special effects are superior, the actors and writers had more experience, etc etc. It doesn't make it "better". It's an entertainment product, it's purpose is to entertain, and what entertains one person is not the same as another. You think it's better, other people think Melee is better. That's why they still play it. It's an entirely subjective opinion.
"people should not prefer clearly inferior versions of anything" LOL. People should not like what they like? You should probably worry less about the fact that people like different things to you, that's life. And people that can't accept that are extremely annoying to be around.
That's an objectively false statement, for an obvious example you can scroll to the top of the page and look at the photo that goes with this article. You might be tired of it, so might others, yet there are still melee tournaments, and still crowds going to watch melee tournaments, and still many people who play melee.
People play things because they like them, not to please you.
How can Ultimate be "objectively better"? It's different. Given that these people play, or watch, based on what they enjoy, "better" is entirely subjective.
But hey, maybe you're right, go to one of these tournaments and get on the mic address the crowd and say "guys, people are tired of watching this, ultimate is objectively better". I'm sure they'll all drop melee immediately.
@Kalmaro "It would be nice to see something more current"
You can. There are ultimate tournaments all the time.
Baseball and softball. Rugby Union and rugby league. World's Strongest Man and Highland games. Professional Boxing and Toughman competitions.
There are heaps of different sports and games, many of which are traditional versions of other more updated versions, coexisting, appealing to different people. The existence of one doesn't take away from the existence of the other. You don't like it? Don't watch it, and go watch ultimate instead. These players prefer Melee, so why would they play ultimate? And why should they? It makes no sense.
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Re: Hardware Review: Exlene GameCube Controllers For Nintendo Switch
"What makes them so special?"
Nice clickbait
Re: Bandai Namco Apologises For Shortages Of Fishing Spirits In Japan
Looks so fun to make the animals thrash in pain...
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Dezzy We already covered this point, and I'm not making that leap, I'm saying it's sometimes the case.
I'm not saying that depicting something = endorsing it at all. I specifically used the example of the hero, because in some stories/movies/etc. the hero is used as a vehicle to advocate values. But not always. If you think this is never the case, then we just disagree.
Game of thrones does not celebrate the bad behaviour of it's characters, but it still presents character traits that are clearly designed to be seen by the audience as admirable.
Obviously this is interpretation of art and thus can be argued about forever without there being a right answer unless the artist comes forward and explains their intentions.
Whether the reviewer should be slow to make such conclusions, I don't really have any opinion on. Why? So as to avoid upsetting anime fans? Meh. I can understand the sort of things the reviewer is referring to without necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with this judgement. It's still informative in my view. I don't see any need to remove the personality of the reviewer from the review, all reviewers have their particular slant, and the reader needs to interpret that for themselves.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Dezzy I'm not personally all that sensitive about this stuff, but if you watch old films, from an era where society in general was more misogynistic, the hero obviously embodies the attitudes of the day. So you can say that the film promotes certain qualities as being that of a hero. E.g. often the hero will force himself onto a woman in a way that would be considered quite unacceptable today. This is really not uncommon in films of 40-50 years ago. You could say that's misogynistic (it is of course a product of it's time). And it doesn't have to be from some by gone era. Obviously as attitudes change, across society you have different views, some people will consider a given behaviour to be perfectly fine, other might consider it racist or misogynistic. Lets say a film maker who is on the more conservative end of that spectrum makes a film, and imbues his main character with traits and attitudes that he thinks are admirable. Well others might find that character to be misogynistic, and thus say the film is misogynistic. It's unlikely that you're going to have as much agreement on this recent film, as some past film. As time goes on, perhaps there will be more agreement on it, perhaps not. Ultimately it's all value judgements, and anyone can disagree about a value judgement, and over time consensus may develop, one way or the other.
And obviously you have different cultures. In some countries women have to cover themselves up when they go outside. I'd call that misogynistic. That's an extreme example. But Japan has cultural differences that I think many understandably find misogynistic. This is a country where women getting groped on trains is a serious problem. This is not a serious problem in the west. These differences manifest in many different ways.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Bass_X0 lol, type "mario misogyny" into google, and apparently plenty of people think so hahaha
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Dualmask Putting aside whether the description is accurate, it does say something about the story. And story is a big part of games, at least it is for some people.
What I am assuming (and could be wrong) is that the game features strong males and weak, helpless, infantilised, doe eyed females. Fine if that's your thing, but it's not mine. I'm as big a pervert as anyone, probably worse than most, but the way that females are often depicted in certain types of anime is off-putting to me. It's not even that I think it's immoral or anything, there seems to be a culture of some asian women actually acting like helpless children, called kawaii or something? I just find it cringey and weird and have zero interest in playing games with that stuff in it.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Rayquaza2510 "you seem to think your opinion about anime or this type of games is the right one"
Was that most strongly indicated in the part where I said I have no idea about this particular anime? Or the part where I said that just like any other piece of media, I love some anime, and dislike other?
" the way you seems to see anime as "designed to titillate males" "
You mean where I said "a lot of" i.e. some anime is designed to titillate males? And then also said so is much of Hollywood film, and other pieces of media?
I think you're misrepresenting what I'm actually saying.
The idea that because we have porn people never jerk off to non pornographic material is a bizarre one. Speak for yourself I suppose, but sexuality is more complicated than that. People become infatuated with particular actors, or characters. I mean, what if you can't find hentai for the particular anime character you have a crush on? Or what if you are more aroused by them when they are wearing their sailor suit than when they are nude?
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Rayquaza2510 Lol, I specifically did not say that
I don't think offending people is necessarily fine, but I think worrying overly about offending people on the internet is a fools errand, because people get offended by everything. For example, in this article and the comments we can see people offended by what they perceive as misogyny, and people who are offended by other people being offended by this because they object to it being called misogynistic as they perceive that to be a negative reflection on themselves and their love this type of anime.
You can't please everyone.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Heavyarms55 I didn't say it wasn't a stereotype. I used it specifically because it's a stereotype. I'm fully owning up to it and not apologising.
I just don't care if you're offended. I was making a point that sailed over your head because you got triggered.
The review conveys the type of themes contained in the game. You can disagree with the value judgement of those themes, but we all understand the type of thing it indicates, that's the point I'm making. It's still informative, even if your view is that this sort of thing is not misogynistic. I'm not disputing that it probably offends some people, I just don't care. This site has an editorial slant, if you don't like it you can read other sites. Choice is great.
Now get out of the basement.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Rayquaza2510 I don't really care if you're offended, just as I don't care if people are offended by the review.
I love some anime, and other anime I don't, same as anything else. If your claiming that a lot of anime isn't designed to titillate males, then I think you're wrong. Just as a lot of hollywood cinema is. Just like porn is. I like porn.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Heavyarms55 I dunno what you're getting upset about or why you feel insulted. I didn't say there was anything wrong with being a basement nerd who jerks off to anime, it's just not my thing. It was a tongue in cheek comment that wasn't really the main point I was making. The point is, I can assume certain things about this game's story that won't appeal to me based on the review.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Dezzy It is an important distinction. There are the attitudes of the characters involved, and there are the themes and messages of the media itself. Obviously it's possible to tell a story and is pushing a message, I'm sure you'd agree?
Now I'm not familiar with this game or this anime, so I can't comment on whether the claim that it's misogynistic in nature is accurate, I'm sure that's debatable, but claiming that a piece of media cannot be such is not an accurate claim in my opinion.
People use narratives to make points or put forward arguments intentionally, and narratives can demonstrates attitudes and points of view unintentionally due to the mindset of the creators.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Dezzy Mysogyny is an attitude. A game, movie, book, or whatever else can convey an attitude. So you might reject it, but this may be because you don't understand it.
Whether or not this "harms" anyone is a different discussion.
Do you think it is impossible to make a game that has racist attitudes?
It's all subjective, and I don't find it offensive, it's legitimate to say that this about a piece of media.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@Heavyarms55 Every media outlet has its editorial slant.
Re: Review: Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet Complete Edition - This Anime Adaptation Misses The Target
@AlternateButtons They are critics and the story is part of what they critique. Mentioning that it's mysogynistic tells us something. I'm not offended by such things, but neither do I want to play a game with a story including that. This tells me what demographic the story is aimed at and that it's not for me. If it is for you, you can seek the game out. Why get so triggered? Reviews are supposed to give you an idea of what the game is so you can make a decision about whether to bother playing it. Does this line about mysogyny prevent you from doing that? No. So what are you upset about? That the reviewer doesn't share your values? Who cares. Do you expect people to share your values and generally get upset when they don't?
Re: Krome Studios Launches Kickstarter For A Switch Version Of TY The Tasmanian Tiger
@brandonbwii It actually sold over a million copies. It was a big success for the company.
Re: Krome Studios Launches Kickstarter For A Switch Version Of TY The Tasmanian Tiger
@N1ntendodo Oh, I see.
Re: Krome Studios Launches Kickstarter For A Switch Version Of TY The Tasmanian Tiger
I actually worked on this game, and it's sequels, years ago at Krome studios. Would be quite the nostalgia trip to play them again.
I can't really understand the difference between the 20 and 25 dollar pledges though, they seem to be the same?
Re: Talking Point: Are Retro Repro Firms Exploiting Demand With Shoddy Products?
I guess the answer to te question posed by the headline is, yeah, some are, some aren't.
Re: Full Patch Notes And All Fighter Adjustments In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Version 4.0.0
Tournaments are really fun, it's a great addition. But the first one they do is two stock, 2.5 mins? I think fully 50% of the matches I had went to sudden death. Pretty annoying when you are close to winning comfortably, and they realise there is 20 seconds left so stall out for sudden death.
I get why they made it short, so that those who finish their matches early aren't waiting for ages, but I think we can all afford to wait a couple more minutes without it ruining our day.
Re: Check Out The New Features In The Smash Bros. Ultimate Version 4.0 Update
@VR32X Cool story bro
Re: Poll: Fire Emblem: Three Houses Is Out Today, Which House Will You Choose?
So much stupid looking hair.
What's with the characters fading in and out constantly in battles? That looked rather bad.
Re: Review: Stranger Things 3: The Game - Netflix's '80s-Themed Sci-Fi Series Comes To Switch
@Dman10 "Appealing" is a subjective judgement. It's of a particular style that appeals to those who like retro pixel art games. You can argue for appealing visuals if you find the visuals appealing.
Re: Random: Was Shantae The Half-Genie Hero Just Teased For Smash Bros. Ultimate?
That's what the game needs, more anime characters.
Re: Feature: Meet Axe, The Smash Bros. Underdog Who Changed The Competitive Scene Overnight
@Vectorman It's not objectively the best because "Multiple other people & sources say so", the exact same reason you think "proves" Ultimate is the best. That's why it's a subjective judgement
Re: Feature: Meet Axe, The Smash Bros. Underdog Who Changed The Competitive Scene Overnight
@Vectorman Is there such a thing as Karma? I guess like the question of which smash bros game is best, you think that if you simply say it is so, then it is so. And if there is Karma, then perhaps you best worry for yourself, because I think Karma would look poorly upon those that declare the preferences of others to be the result of being stubborn, stuck in their ways, elitist, etc. and declaring yourself to be the cleverest, nicest, smartest, etc.
Anyhow, go have your shower, and revel in your new experience of the ignore button. Big day for you! Best you have an early night!
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@Vectorman Why do you say the same things over and over? It's really weird.
Omg, you fool, if you go to the dictionary, you will find that it is one of those words that is spelled both ways. Obviously if you just literally "google" the word you will get results for either spelling. Do I need to do all your thinking for you?
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@Vectorman Actually, you did say it was the best because the creators say it's the best. I quote:
"You think they would call it "Ultimate" if it wasn't? Yeah, right"
"The Nintendo company and the title are gonna lie about their product. ( Sarcasm/rolls eyes ). It's got Ultimate in the title, it's admitting it's the best"
"IF words have no meaning, what's the point?"
So the creator's word's cannot be wrong, but a reviewers words can be wrong? How does that make sense? You need to stop worshipping Nintendo and Sakurai. It's not about whether words have meaning, it's about whether someone's opinion is fact, when the entire thing is subjective.
Actually judgement is spelled with an e between the g and the m. I would have thought someone as smart as you would have looked that up in the dictionary before posting that. This is another way you are making a fool of yourself.
I already did say why or how you were rude to others.
I'm starting to suspect you are actually a troll, no one could be this ridiculous. A+ very convincing.
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@Vectorman You think that if the makers of a game say it's the best, then that is proof that it's the best. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
How many game developers release a game and say "it's worse than the prequel, and worse than other games".
Your entire premise implies that game reviews serve no purpose. Apparently, according to you, game reviews only get it right when they agree with the claims of the developer. Again, one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
That is the why and how. You think that simply saying something is so, is evidence, in fact "proof" that it is so. This is not how reality works. I have said that you are dumb, does this "prove" you are dumb? Do words have no meaning? If I said it, it must be true right?
It's not about whether reviews should be trusted or not, it's about the fact that whether one game is better than another is an entirely subjective judgement. It depends on what the person making the judgement likes. And it certainly doesn't depend on whether the developer says it's the best, which is what they ALWAYS say, because they are SELLING A PRODUCT.
As for insults, you've made plenty yourself, accusing people who prefer melee of being stubborn, stuck in their ways, unable to change, elitist, etc. You are also arrogant, referring to yourself as being smart and logical and rational. You should be mocked, because you're arrogant and you insult other people and you make poor childish arguments.
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@Vectorman Your reasons are not proof. Go and google the word, you clearly have no understanding of its meaning. You're simply giving your opinion. You think that the title proves that it's the best? Because they called it "ultimate"? You are making a total fool of yourself.
Logic dictates that how good a game is is not determined by the title, or how good the creator says it is. The creator is selling a product. Why even bother with game reviews if that's the case? Just read the title of the game and ask the developers if they think it is the best.
According to your logic, it is basically impossible for a sequel to be inferior to a prequel. So game reviews are a completely redundant and unnecessary endeavour. All the articles on this website that rank games in a series are a waste of time (and wrong), they should just put them in the chronological order in which they were developed and claim the latest one is the best.
As for: "plays too fast/can't tell what's happening", that's probably the result of the same defect that leads to these ridiculous opinions, which OptomertristLime correctly stated, could only be held by a child, or at least, a child's mind.
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@Vectorman You have a childish conception of what constitutes "proof".
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@Vectorman "I've already proven I'm way more adult than you"
Hahahahahaha
Perhaps you should publish a research paper on that.
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@Vectorman You want to use game sales as an argument, and you don't think it's relevant how many people actually own the console the game is made for? Hahaha, wow.
""Among other factors", as in it's better and has more"
This would be another example of you assuming another's thoughts.
"I"m older & more mature than you. You're nowhere near 30, you didn't hit it long ago, and if you did, Grow the heck up & act your age & don't be so immature! Be mature, like me. Or at least try to be nice & set a good example, like me. Thank you."
Adults simply don't speak like this, sorry.
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@Vectorman Then you need to make a case why in "this case" it serves as evidence. Especially given that the gamecube had a much smaller install base than the Wii.
"I never claimed to know the thoughts & feelings of others"
Oh really?
"they're stuck in their ways like a stubborn mule and can't accept any good changes"
"how dare you disrespect The Great Mr. Masahiro Sakurai"
Lol, what the hell is wrong with you?
" "Easy to find people to play with online"? Is that cause nobody wants to play with you in person? Huh?"
I said that I play ultimate instead of melee because it has online, among other factors, whereas melee does not have an online mode. So your comment makes no sense. And as you stated yourself, more people play ultimate. So obviously it's easier to find people to play it with. None of my co-workers play melee, many of them play ultimate.
I hit 30 some time ago. Kid.
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@Kalmaro End it whenever you like. I think you've said rather a lot more than that, but it makes sense that you would try to distance yourself from many of your earlier comments.
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@Vectorman I'm not a Melee player, I play ultimate.
The irony of accusing others of being elitist while you sit there and claim to know the thoughts and feelings of others.
You're also claiming that sales figures is proof that one game/movie/etc. is objectively better than another. Seriously... All the highest grossing box office films are objectively the best films? This is a laughable proposition. As is the idea that because Sakurai "worked hard" this means, no, "proves" that each sequel is objectively better than the last.
All the games play differently, and people play what they enjoy. I play ultimate because it's more popular and it has online, so it's easy for me to find people to play with. But I still enjoy Melee more, and would play it if I had people to play it with.
Time to shush child.
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@Kalmaro Pretty sure he can and should do what he wants.
There are still smash 64 tournaments. There are still SF2 tournaments. There will always be something that is most popular, so what? That's not coexisting sort of, that's coexisting. Coexisting doesn't mean in equal size, proportion, or popularity, it just means they both exist. Melee is more popular than 64, brawl, and sm4sh. So obviously there is something people really like about it. Who's to say which game will last the longest. Will people still be playing ultimate in 10 years? Or Melee? Or the next one? Will the next one be a big disappointment like Brawl was? Was Brawl objectively better than Melee?
You want to play ultimate, play ultimate. You think high level melee players aren't aware that ultimate exists or the size of the scene? You think this guy is dumb or something?
I know people that just love melee and play it all the time. They've played ultimate, but they don't like it as much, so they don't play it.
Unless someone's actions are unethical, there is no reason to tell them they "should" do anything unless they are asking for your advice or help. I think he's a big boy and can decide for himself what he wants to play. Imagine telling someone else they "should" entertain themselves in a different way. Try to imagine that. You don't have to, because you're doing it.
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@Luffymcduck I don't understand it either, I suspect because they are young children, and that's how young children think. "I like this better so you should like this better too"
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@Kalmaro No one is denying that less people play Melee now than in the past. But people still play it, and others still watch it. You think Ultimate is better. They think Melee is better. It's an entertainment product and a piece of art, it's ridiculous to try and suggest one game, movie, painting, book, etc. is "objectively" better than another. If someone enjoys one more than the other, then they think it is better, in the ways that matter to them, it's a subjective judgement. You could perhaps make an argument for aspects of it being better, it runs at a better resolution, has a higher poly count, etc. But as an overall experience? That's a subjective judgement. Is every mario sequel objectively better than it's prequel? What about every Zelda game?
Anyway, keep telling people who are playing the game that they enjoy most, that they should play a game they enjoy less. Because that makes heaps of sense.
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@Vectorman I think you're confused about what objective and subjective mean. Imagine saying Return of the Jedi is objectively better than A New Hope. You can list off that the budget is better, the special effects are superior, the actors and writers had more experience, etc etc. It doesn't make it "better". It's an entertainment product, it's purpose is to entertain, and what entertains one person is not the same as another. You think it's better, other people think Melee is better. That's why they still play it. It's an entirely subjective opinion.
"people should not prefer clearly inferior versions of anything" LOL. People should not like what they like? You should probably worry less about the fact that people like different things to you, that's life. And people that can't accept that are extremely annoying to be around.
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@Kalmaro "People are tired of watching it"
That's an objectively false statement, for an obvious example you can scroll to the top of the page and look at the photo that goes with this article. You might be tired of it, so might others, yet there are still melee tournaments, and still crowds going to watch melee tournaments, and still many people who play melee.
People play things because they like them, not to please you.
How can Ultimate be "objectively better"? It's different. Given that these people play, or watch, based on what they enjoy, "better" is entirely subjective.
But hey, maybe you're right, go to one of these tournaments and get on the mic address the crowd and say "guys, people are tired of watching this, ultimate is objectively better". I'm sure they'll all drop melee immediately.
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@Kalmaro "It would be nice to see something more current"
You can. There are ultimate tournaments all the time.
Baseball and softball. Rugby Union and rugby league. World's Strongest Man and Highland games. Professional Boxing and Toughman competitions.
There are heaps of different sports and games, many of which are traditional versions of other more updated versions, coexisting, appealing to different people. The existence of one doesn't take away from the existence of the other. You don't like it? Don't watch it, and go watch ultimate instead. These players prefer Melee, so why would they play ultimate? And why should they? It makes no sense.
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@Flowerlark I think Axe is the first player in a long time to do this well with Pikachu, judging by the commentary.
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@Kalmaro So when you watch a soccer match, do you sit there thinking "great, now go and do it in baseball"
There is a competitive scene for many different games. Watch the ones you enjoy?