There must be something in the water lately at Super Smash Bros. Melee tournaments.
A few weeks ago, Melee player Wizzrobe, real name Justin Hallett, won Smash’N’Splash 5, a major Super Smash Bros. Melee tournament with over 800 entrants. His character of choice was Captain Falcon, a mid-tier staple.
The same month, Smash player Axe, real name Jeffrey Williamson, may have one-upped that feat; not only did he coincidentally beat that very same Wizzrobe in the grand finals of the famed, invite-only tournament Smash Summit, but in doing so became the first player to ever win a major tournament with Pikachu, a character who many consider to be mid-tier at best.
For the competitive Smash world, having a new character win a major tournament is a big, big deal. Smash Melee has seen tournaments essentially since its release in 2001, and the same handful of characters have consistently risen to the top of the results, with only a few viable characters emerging ever since.
(If you’re curious about the current Melee tier list, it can be found here. Even a single placement ahead of another character suggests a massive amount of data for a 17-year-old game. All placements on the list are determined on tournament results.)
The aforementioned Captain Falcon has had a stranglehold on the high-mid-tiers since virtually day one. But Pikachu? That character has toiled in low tiers throughout almost the entire existence of competitive Melee. And he would have remained there if not for the emergence of one player: Axe.
We recently sat down with Axe to discuss how he’s been feeling since his historical win, touching on topics regarding the final game, his opinions on Smash Bros. Ultimate, and why he kept trying to win major tournaments with a low-tier character for over ten years.
Nintendo Life: Talk me through your last match at Smash Summit 8, where you won your first major tournament. Take me through the psychology of your last match.
Jeffrey “Axe” Williamson: Okay, there’s a lot going behind it. Do you mean gameplay, or how I was feeling?
This is something I struggle with a lot. Because I’ve come close to winning major tournaments quite a few times now. I’ve gotten second at Genesis, second at Get On My Level, and I’ve won some smaller events, but nothing of this caliber.
My main problem is when I get to that point, when I (think), “Whoa, I can actually win this thing,” I start to think about...winning, and what it’s gonna feel like to win, or what I’ll do after I win.
And whenever that happens, I’ve lost every single time.
It’s a hardcore mental battle... especially since I was up in the last match. It was really hard for me to not think about that. Whenever those thoughts come up in my mind, I have to tell myself, “No! I can lose this!” I have to get my mind set straight. It was a crazy mental battle that was happening, especially during the last match.
What you’re describing, basically, is sports psychology.
It’s different from coaching. It’s about how to evaluate your game plan. That brings me to my next question nicely, actually. You’ve been top 2, top 5, top 10, but you’ve never won a major. I’m curious about the psychology of that. Whenever you have gone against an eminent Smash player, a Hungrybox, a Mango, do you have a different mindset because you’ve lost to them at the end so often? Or do you just try and approach it like it’s just any other match?
I end up doing worse if I have that confidence. Somehow, it’s kind of helped me a lot to say, “Alright, this is like a crazy boss battle that I need to overcome.”
I see myself as an underdog every time, even if it’s someone I’m ranked over or someone that I beat usually. I guess I’ll give [Professional Smash player Zain Naghmi] as an example. I’ve never lost to him, I think my record is 6-0 or something like that. [But] whenever I play against him, I see it as sort of a boss battle, where I need to throw out everything I can... and when I have that sort of mindset, I tend to do better.
So the obvious question is, how much of that is because you play Pikachu?
Honestly, none of it at all. [Laughter] Just because I play Pikachu...I don’t think of it as a character versus character thing. It’s a lot more about the player versus player.
At the top level we all know our strengths and weaknesses. It becomes much less about matchup specific things and instead it becomes about, “How am I going to trick my opponent?” It’s about adapting to player habits…
I focus much less on, “Oh, this Pikachu thing is good against Marth,” because they already know that. At this level, everybody knows what’s good against what.
Do you mind, then, that people think of you exclusively as a mid-to-low tier player, quote unquote?
I don’t mind, no. It’s true, Pikachu is not as good as the other characters that I’m fighting against. But I don’t think it really matters that much at the top level. I think that the character I’m using is fine, and I mesh with him the best. I think I understand Pikachu really well, and when I’m playing him, it just feels right. I think he has what it takes.
Have you ever been approached by The Pokémon Company for your commitment to playing Pikachu?
No! [Laughter] That would be pretty cool, though. I think the closest I’ve gotten, really, was (when) Warner Bros. Canada brought out Detective Pikachu to Get On My Level, so I talked to them for a little while. But no, not the actual Pokémon Company, that would be wild.
You do interact with people like [Senior Product Marketing Manager of Nintendo of America] Bill Trinen on Twitter. I didn’t know if you ever interacted with Nintendo directly, or if you mostly feel periphery to the company whose games you dedicate your life to playing.
Well, I love the Pokémon games. At first I was playing Pikachu because Pokémon is really cool, but then I found that Pikachu is a great character. But I do love Nintendo, in general. Even though I don’t play Super Smash Bros. Ultimate competitively, I still think it’s fun.
I dunno, being in contact with Nintendo would be pretty crazy, I’d love to connect with them.
What’s your streaming career been like ever since Ultimate released?
I like to focus on Melee. I have a really big passion (for it). When I stream, I stream my favourite game. Every now and then I stream other games, normally games on the Nintendo Switch. But I like to focus on Melee.
The reason I ask is because I’m curious if you’ve seen either an uptick in people interested in Smash Bros. in general, or if you’re seeing people moving away from Melee.
At the beginning of the year, people were concerned about the Melee community because Ultimate just came out and Ultimate is a great game. But Melee has always been that kind of game, especially in esports, that people just keep coming back to it because of the mechanics - it’s just so good.
There’s [actually] kind of an upsurge right now for Melee. A lot of people are wanting to compete and watch [it]. This has happened quite a few times [laughter]. I think Melee is always going to be around and always have a big following.
What was your Smash career like before and after signing to a professional team?
Before I signed with a team, back in 2014, I was working at Walgreens, and I was a photo tech. I’d print out photos and I’d be a cashier sometimes. I was going to college for a little while doing video game programming. I made a few games, nothing really good. [Laughter]
So I kept competing in Melee, because that was my favourite. I was just a Walgreens worker who liked to go to Melee tournaments.
It came to a point where Melee started to become big in esports. Eventually, a sponsor looked at me and I was lucky enough to get on a team. 2015 is when I signed to Tempo Storm, and that’s where I’ve been ever since.
What’s that experience been like for you?
Amazing. Tempo Storm takes really good care of me, they send me to all sorts of events. I’m really happy being on the team.
Is it a full-time job?
Melee is what I do full-time. Tempo Storm helps me a lot with being able to do this full time, and I’m also streaming on Twitch and that helps me financially as well. If you type in “axe.pizza” into a web browser, it’ll bring up my Twitch [laughter].
Did you get a bonus for winning the major?
Not that we’ve talked about, no... I hope so. [Laughter] We’ll see! It’s not that I want or even need the bonus, I’m just happy with what I have already.
Not trying to be your agent or anything, but most sports contracts... I mean, if you win the Super Bowl... you get something.
Very true. Okay, I’ll talk to them. [Laughter]
Would you recommend to a newcomer that they play as Pikachu?
Honestly [long pause] ...yeah! Pikachu is very fun. He’s quick, a little fragile... his defence isn’t the best, but he’s fun to fly across the stage with, and he kills people at very low percents. He has the strongest up-smash in the game, tail spikes which can kill people off the sides very early.
Yeah, I’d say a newcomer can use Pikachu! I always recommend to try out every character in the game one time. But from my experience of playing and watching other people play Pikachu, he’s one of the most fun characters.
Who will be the next low-tier character to win a major?
aMSa is the closest (with Yoshi). There’s a few low-tiers that do have potential to win majors though, which hasn’t been done yet, but I can see it happening.
A character that people probably disagree with me with is Dr. Mario. I think he has a lot of potential for doing well in a lot of match ups. I have the thought that if I can do it with Pikachu, people can do it with Dr. Mario. It’s just that people aren’t really playing Dr. Mario... he’s a good character that nobody uses.
I think Samus is another pick. She’s very solid. A Samus main could win an entire event. It would be very difficult, but I guess any character you use, it’s going to be very difficult to win a major.
What I’m hearing is that you think that player is more important than character to a reasonable degree?
In a previous life, I used to play Smash Bros. Melee semi-professionally, and Dr. Mario was a little bit of my kryptonite. I played as Pikachu too. My gamer tag was “Zig-Zag!”, this was probably 2005, and-
Waaaaaait, a minute, you’re Zig-Zag? What on Earth! Whoa! Hold on a minute, you’re Zig-Zag from Smashboards?
I am. That was my previous life. Then grad school, and five E3s later…
What the heck! This is crazy, I had no idea you were Zig-Zag. That’s awesome, wow. I remember you from Smashboards. That’s pretty cool! Yeah, Dr. Mario has always been a tough matchup for Pikachu.
I don’t know if I’m going to leave this in the interview, that’s very flattering you remember me.
If you were to ask me, and my opinion isn’t as important anymore, I think strongly of all the Mario Bros. characters, Mario, Dr. Mario and Luigi.
I agree with you, I think both Mario and Doc (are next).
I grew up playing against an incredible Luigi player named Vudijin...
...I know Vudijin…
...And he just kicked my butt over and over again. [Laughter]
I think it’s even-ish. People (always) disagree on matchups. But I do agree with you on the other Marios.
Can I say something?
I just want to talk about the journey I’ve been through to get to this point.
Pikachu is this kind of character that a lot of people just thought wasn’t good. I’ve been told so many times Pikachu can’t do it, that Pikachu can’t win a major and I have to switch mains. And I won. After this long I finally won a tournament, a major tournament. This was about 13 years that I’ve been training to get to where I am now.
There was a lot of mental struggles and character crisis stuff. But after winning, it’s just mind-blowing. I still can’t believe that it happened. I’m still in shock right now. It makes me think that if I’m able to win with Pikachu of all characters, it just says a lot about what you can do as long as you just put your mind to it.
A lot of it is about believing in yourself if you see a path to victory, not worrying about what other people say is possible. You’re the one who makes it possible.
All of this is mind-blowing, I don’t know what other word there is to use. I’m incredibly happy.
What’s been the best response since you won?
My family, in general, they don’t really watch me that much. But my sister’s boyfriend sent me a video of her watching me play in the finals of Summit. And she was freaking out, even though she doesn’t watch Melee that much. My mom was also watching, my dad was watching, and they picked the right tournament to watch…
...it was really cool, because they’ve watched me grow up my entire life playing. It was really wholesome to see them freaking out so much.
It’s very infectious to hear you talk about this, because I know how demanding Melee is (and) how it’s a game virtually impossible to master. I can’t imagine what you’re feeling after bringing a character out of low-tier, almost single-handedly, and then winning a major tournament.
I gotta say, it doesn’t even feel like anything happened. I haven’t even accepted it yet. It’s such a crazy feeling.
Thanks to Williamson for his time. This interview has been lightly edited for clarity.
Good for him, now do it with Smash Ultimate. Melee isn't as fun to watch.
insert complaint against competitive Smash here
The whole- low tier/top tier thing in Melee is stupid. You’re stuck playing with 3-4 characters that are the only competitive ones. No thanks. Ultimate for the win.
He did the same combo with his pikachu over and over again. So unpleasant to look at.
Good for him! This was a very well done interview, and the little aside about “Zig-Zag” was very entertaining. It really helped to humanize both the interviewer and the interviewee.
Is a smash player
So doesnt use axe
I don't follow the Smash competitive scene, but I wish all the best for him. Kuddos for playing with your favorite character instead of "top tiers"
I always felt that Smash is about having fun with whatever character you like best. That is not to say there is no fun in fighting your best against the players above you. I hope he is having fun, and congratulations
@Tendogamerxxx Thanks for taking the time out to read. Now that we’ve got this sentiment out of the way early, feel free to discuss Melee, everyone.
@theabstractart All features are written ahead of time and scheduled out in advance. Just something to keep in mind, thanks for reading.
I don't really care about tier lists. Because that's just labeling a character as either the strongest or weakest, it's the Player that determines that not the lists, I mean some of the greats like Armada or ZeRo they make the plays that make the characters epic.
Hi Axe... I am Byron
Zero put it decently recently when he described Smash characters like a tool kit: some tools will let you build different things more easily, but what matters is the carpenter being comfortable with the tool kit. Look at MKLeo. He takes characters with solid fundamentals like Ike and Lucina and now Joker and makes some of the best players in Ultimate look like kids at locals. Nobody else is getting the same kinds of results with Joker, that's not just the character. But he does consistently gravitate to characters with solid fundamentals, not characters with one or two gimmicks.
Neat interview. I've watched a bit of Axe, and he's an exciting player to watch. He's good at mindgame stuff: him versus Hungrybox is a lot of fun. I'd be down for more NintendoLife Esports coverage in general.
@theabstractart But they did...
Though I never said I liked ultimate better because of speed. The game looks better, more diverse and balanced roster and its still pretty speedy.
@Kalmaro oops lol
@Pandaman oops haha sorry
Just my opinion but competitive gaming is just mehhh to me. I play games to play them not to be the best or to compete. Yes I play games like smash, paladins, street fighter, sports etc but I play to win for myself and have just always cared less about competing in any real tourneys as that would be the point to me where gaming would not be fun anymore and I would start to hate even playing. Most people I know are the same way.
So as far as tourneys go anyways there is always someone better as most people actually don't even bother to join in them as they either have life or care less about even doing it and then there are the ones that cannot join for other reason ( costs, parents, transportation etc.) many people are just to poor to even afford it period. This alone makes them pretty worthless to me but hey I give props to those that do play. For what I don't know but hey more power to you.
@Kalmaro So when you watch a soccer match, do you sit there thinking "great, now go and do it in baseball"
There is a competitive scene for many different games. Watch the ones you enjoy?
@Flowerlark I think Axe is the first player in a long time to do this well with Pikachu, judging by the commentary.
@BMOC not a very good example. It would be more like watching someone play soccer with older equipment with older rules and such instead of using more up to date stuff.
Impressive? Sure, but would be nice to see something more current.
This is cool and all for people who are big into SSB.
Can we get some articles like this for major Pokemon tournaments? VGC and TCG?
Maybe Splatoon 2 events too?
These leagues are stupid and this is why. There are many many players who could compete in video game competitions successfully but very few who have the time or inclination to do so. Holding these players on a pedestal and saying they are the best is ridiculous. Your friend down the street who kills at (pick the game) is every bit as qualified. The seriousness the announcers inflect is also very cringe worthy to me.
That point aside, I wont watch other people play videogames. Its always driven me crazy and goes back to my friend never giving up the controller. Id go home. Im not sitting there when I could be playing instead of watching.
These seem to just be comercials for the publisher.
Where is the Bomberman competition?
Being good at just one game isnt convincing to me, multiple game competitions would be the most impressive but again these are probably just commercials so there wouldnt be any interest unless they also publish all the games. Annd then you can see thats the case.
@Heavyarms55 Are there any of those out there?
If there's a big competitive scene for outdated games like Melee, I wanna see an Urban Champ or Super Spike V-Ball tournament covered on here.
@Priceless_Spork As much as I'd like to see a Bomberman tournament I can't see it happening. Usually in these tournaments they want no items/powerups & on neutral stages. Bomberman is at its best with as many people running around with things going nuts.
Yes but Im the best
Well those competitions would probably have only a limited appeal to just people who love retro games. So probably a success. But it wont sell Overwatch.
@Riderkicker Pokemon has a huge competitive scene for both the video games and card games with official tournaments attracting hundreds of players, more at the major international level. It goes all the way up to a world tournament held every year. It's quite the event with different levels for kids, teens and adults. Fans also host their own tournaments online rather often via discord and forums. I know in the US there was, at one point, and entirely fan run league of college "teams" playing and even and east and west conference. That was a few years ago, I don't know if that one is still active or not.
I don't know for sure about in the west, but here in Japan I have seen several major Splatoon 2 events as well, but I don't know that competitive scene as well to say any details.
@Heavyarms55 I may have misread but this is for melee. It's in the first line.
@Kalmaro You did misread my comment, as I pointed out how this was cool for Smash fans. And then I proceeded to ask for similar articles for other games like Pokemon and Splatoon. Which never get the love they deserve because everyone gushes over Smash like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Smash is cool and a fun game, but there are plenty of other competitive games that deserve coverage like this and rarely, if ever get it.
Yet here is Melee, a Gamecube title, still getting covered like it's just that special.
@Heavyarms55 I see what I did. I misread SSB as SSBB. I must be tired.
@Kalmaro Ah, I can totally understand that.
I wouldn't use the word "overnight", he's been a prominent competitor in all big tournaments for like 10+ years and everyone knew he could do it, was just a matter of time (Armada quitting and dodging HBox in the bracket also helped). But stupid nitpicking aside, this was a great interview, especially the Zig-Zag part lol
@Kalmaro "It would be nice to see something more current"
You can. There are ultimate tournaments all the time.
Baseball and softball. Rugby Union and rugby league. World's Strongest Man and Highland games. Professional Boxing and Toughman competitions.
There are heaps of different sports and games, many of which are traditional versions of other more updated versions, coexisting, appealing to different people. The existence of one doesn't take away from the existence of the other. You don't like it? Don't watch it, and go watch ultimate instead. These players prefer Melee, so why would they play ultimate? And why should they? It makes no sense.
@BMOC I know there's ultimate tournaments, hence why I'd like to see how he does there. Rather than sticking with older stuff. There a reason melee isn't in EVO anymore. People are tired of watching it.
Ultimate is objectively better.
@Heavyarms55 - I'd love to talk to Pokemon and Splatoon competitors. I don't know any! Feel free to refer any of them to me on twitter.
@Pandaman I'd do that if I used Twitter.
@Kalmaro "People are tired of watching it"
That's an objectively false statement, for an obvious example you can scroll to the top of the page and look at the photo that goes with this article. You might be tired of it, so might others, yet there are still melee tournaments, and still crowds going to watch melee tournaments, and still many people who play melee.
People play things because they like them, not to please you.
How can Ultimate be "objectively better"? It's different. Given that these people play, or watch, based on what they enjoy, "better" is entirely subjective.
But hey, maybe you're right, go to one of these tournaments and get on the mic address the crowd and say "guys, people are tired of watching this, ultimate is objectively better". I'm sure they'll all drop melee immediately.
@BMOC Actually, support for smash melee tournaments have been dwindling for a while now. That's a fact. Some people like it but it's a dwindling base and has been.
And Ultimate is better. There's nothing wrong with that either, melee is just outdated. I say that as a huge melee fan.
It was sarcasm.
Delete all the comments here lol, kids are too young to appreciate Melee. Ironic that these players have been on the grind for almost two decades, yet they are lightweights because modern crowds are unable to appreciate anything past 5 years ago. Cherish your heritage and support the people who still engage with the fabric of what has made games what they are. Progress is not linear many older games exceeded their counterparts; it's foolish to eschew something solely because it's unfamiliar.
@OptometristLime Talking down on people who don't agree with you doesn't make your position any better. Melee was my life when it came out during middle school for me. I would play it for hours every day and it has a lot of happy memories for me.
Now that I'm older and have ultimate I can say that the game is better. It's taken what Melee had and improved on it. What's really sad is that people can't accept that games can be improved on. Melee was not perfect in any way. It was an unbalanced mess. Fox on final destination basically became a meme before memes were cool.
@Kalmaro guess what these players are older too, there is nothing intrinsic about your perspective that would supersede the way they view the game. Your argument condenses to: the previous game is obsolete because certain points have been improved upon (read: changed) in the sequel, the original now lacks merit or is undesirable in the modern day. There are plenty of original games which are stymied with quirks which would likely defeat the modern player yet their communities are active in pushing what is possible.
Oh, I see you're the one who made the initial comment on this page. Never mind then, tremendously selfish perspective to ask an athlete to change their venue — almost their sport — so it's more convenient for you personally to watch them.
@OptometristLime Not entirely self centered, I'd like to see them play a better version of Smash. Especially since it would only help them if they are hoping to make a name for themselves. People are shifting to ultimate and the Melee base is shrinking and not getting as much publicity as they used to. Not being at Evo and their other venues seeing smaller audiences watching melee is not helping.
As for "𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘨𝘢𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘺𝘮𝘪𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘲𝘶𝘪𝘳𝘬𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘦𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘯 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘺𝘦𝘳"
I'm not seeing any of those in melee. That is what we're talking about here right?
I don't understand why some people don't understand that Melee and Ultimate can coexist. They have different mechanics! Heck, Melee's wavedash is such a great movement option we got one of the greatest mods (Project-M) ever and several great indie platform fighters: Rivals of Aether, Slap City, Icons Combat Arena (sadly, Icons is literally dead).
@Vectorman I think you're confused about what objective and subjective mean. Imagine saying Return of the Jedi is objectively better than A New Hope. You can list off that the budget is better, the special effects are superior, the actors and writers had more experience, etc etc. It doesn't make it "better". It's an entertainment product, it's purpose is to entertain, and what entertains one person is not the same as another. You think it's better, other people think Melee is better. That's why they still play it. It's an entirely subjective opinion.
"people should not prefer clearly inferior versions of anything" LOL. People should not like what they like? You should probably worry less about the fact that people like different things to you, that's life. And people that can't accept that are extremely annoying to be around.
@Kalmaro No one is denying that less people play Melee now than in the past. But people still play it, and others still watch it. You think Ultimate is better. They think Melee is better. It's an entertainment product and a piece of art, it's ridiculous to try and suggest one game, movie, painting, book, etc. is "objectively" better than another. If someone enjoys one more than the other, then they think it is better, in the ways that matter to them, it's a subjective judgement. You could perhaps make an argument for aspects of it being better, it runs at a better resolution, has a higher poly count, etc. But as an overall experience? That's a subjective judgement. Is every mario sequel objectively better than it's prequel? What about every Zelda game?
Anyway, keep telling people who are playing the game that they enjoy most, that they should play a game they enjoy less. Because that makes heaps of sense.
@Luffymcduck I don't understand it either, I suspect because they are young children, and that's how young children think. "I like this better so you should like this better too"
@BMOC Pretty sure some of the people not agreeing with you are older than you think, but that's off topic. Throwing age around doesn't really help the discussion anyway.
The guy should move onto Ultimate if he wants to really get his name out there. Melee isn't dead but it doesn't have the exposure it used to have. Judging from the interview it looks like he'd like to get more attention. He's not going to do that in melee.
Melee and Ultimate can coexist sortof, but Ultimate is making that difficult and pushing melee out. The only reason I even said ultimate was better was because someone brought up Melee's speed as a plus. Then things kinda spiraled from there.
Imagine someone working for a Nintendo based publication interviewing someone who plays Nintendo games at a high tournament level who's recently won a tournament being considered opportune time to make arguments half the internet has already made that are largely unrelated to the sentiment of the article because you think its useful to throw shade at people who enjoy a game played in a way that you personally don't.
Just don't play the game. Let people enjoy things. Why is this so hard
@Kalmaro Pretty sure he can and should do what he wants.
There are still smash 64 tournaments. There are still SF2 tournaments. There will always be something that is most popular, so what? That's not coexisting sort of, that's coexisting. Coexisting doesn't mean in equal size, proportion, or popularity, it just means they both exist. Melee is more popular than 64, brawl, and sm4sh. So obviously there is something people really like about it. Who's to say which game will last the longest. Will people still be playing ultimate in 10 years? Or Melee? Or the next one? Will the next one be a big disappointment like Brawl was? Was Brawl objectively better than Melee?
You want to play ultimate, play ultimate. You think high level melee players aren't aware that ultimate exists or the size of the scene? You think this guy is dumb or something?
I know people that just love melee and play it all the time. They've played ultimate, but they don't like it as much, so they don't play it.
Unless someone's actions are unethical, there is no reason to tell them they "should" do anything unless they are asking for your advice or help. I think he's a big boy and can decide for himself what he wants to play. Imagine telling someone else they "should" entertain themselves in a different way. Try to imagine that. You don't have to, because you're doing it.
@BMOC I think I'm going to end it here, we seem to be talking past each other. I said he should move to ultimate because he seems to want to make it big and hell be able to make it bigger on ultimate.it's as simple as that.
Je also clearly enjoys playing pikachu and there's some fun tech in ultimate he'd probably like but whatever. Obviously he can do whatever he wants.
@Vectorman I'm not a Melee player, I play ultimate.
The irony of accusing others of being elitist while you sit there and claim to know the thoughts and feelings of others.
You're also claiming that sales figures is proof that one game/movie/etc. is objectively better than another. Seriously... All the highest grossing box office films are objectively the best films? This is a laughable proposition. As is the idea that because Sakurai "worked hard" this means, no, "proves" that each sequel is objectively better than the last.
All the games play differently, and people play what they enjoy. I play ultimate because it's more popular and it has online, so it's easy for me to find people to play with. But I still enjoy Melee more, and would play it if I had people to play it with.
Time to shush child.
@Kalmaro End it whenever you like. I think you've said rather a lot more than that, but it makes sense that you would try to distance yourself from many of your earlier comments.
@Vectorman Then you need to make a case why in "this case" it serves as evidence. Especially given that the gamecube had a much smaller install base than the Wii.
"I never claimed to know the thoughts & feelings of others"
"they're stuck in their ways like a stubborn mule and can't accept any good changes"
"how dare you disrespect The Great Mr. Masahiro Sakurai"
Lol, what the hell is wrong with you?
" "Easy to find people to play with online"? Is that cause nobody wants to play with you in person? Huh?"
I said that I play ultimate instead of melee because it has online, among other factors, whereas melee does not have an online mode. So your comment makes no sense. And as you stated yourself, more people play ultimate. So obviously it's easier to find people to play it with. None of my co-workers play melee, many of them play ultimate.
I hit 30 some time ago. Kid.
@Vectorman You want to use game sales as an argument, and you don't think it's relevant how many people actually own the console the game is made for? Hahaha, wow.
""Among other factors", as in it's better and has more"
This would be another example of you assuming another's thoughts.
"I"m older & more mature than you. You're nowhere near 30, you didn't hit it long ago, and if you did, Grow the heck up & act your age & don't be so immature! Be mature, like me. Or at least try to be nice & set a good example, like me. Thank you."
Adults simply don't speak like this, sorry.
@Vectorman "I've already proven I'm way more adult than you"
Perhaps you should publish a research paper on that.
@Vectorman You have a childish conception of what constitutes "proof".
@Vectorman when someone presumes to have a more relevant opinion on competitive Smash than Axe himself, as the other was proclaiming, I describe that presumptuous opinion as only possible in a child. In other words a person who is yet unable to realize the size of the world and how irrelevant their own thoughts and actions are besides a wider context.
The opinion you quoted of mine was that many games which are sequels in fact do not live up to their source material and are disappointing in some way. If you take Melee and compare that to Brawl then you see a divergence in the way fans perceive the series' evolution. And for me it solidified the things in Melee which simply could not be topped in terms of speed of play, combos, and the overall game feel.
I almost forgot...
Thank you for this great article. I hope to see more esport related articles in the future.
@Vectorman Your reasons are not proof. Go and google the word, you clearly have no understanding of its meaning. You're simply giving your opinion. You think that the title proves that it's the best? Because they called it "ultimate"? You are making a total fool of yourself.
Logic dictates that how good a game is is not determined by the title, or how good the creator says it is. The creator is selling a product. Why even bother with game reviews if that's the case? Just read the title of the game and ask the developers if they think it is the best.
According to your logic, it is basically impossible for a sequel to be inferior to a prequel. So game reviews are a completely redundant and unnecessary endeavour. All the articles on this website that rank games in a series are a waste of time (and wrong), they should just put them in the chronological order in which they were developed and claim the latest one is the best.
As for: "plays too fast/can't tell what's happening", that's probably the result of the same defect that leads to these ridiculous opinions, which OptomertristLime correctly stated, could only be held by a child, or at least, a child's mind.
@Vectorman You think that if the makers of a game say it's the best, then that is proof that it's the best. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
How many game developers release a game and say "it's worse than the prequel, and worse than other games".
Your entire premise implies that game reviews serve no purpose. Apparently, according to you, game reviews only get it right when they agree with the claims of the developer. Again, one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
That is the why and how. You think that simply saying something is so, is evidence, in fact "proof" that it is so. This is not how reality works. I have said that you are dumb, does this "prove" you are dumb? Do words have no meaning? If I said it, it must be true right?
It's not about whether reviews should be trusted or not, it's about the fact that whether one game is better than another is an entirely subjective judgement. It depends on what the person making the judgement likes. And it certainly doesn't depend on whether the developer says it's the best, which is what they ALWAYS say, because they are SELLING A PRODUCT.
As for insults, you've made plenty yourself, accusing people who prefer melee of being stubborn, stuck in their ways, unable to change, elitist, etc. You are also arrogant, referring to yourself as being smart and logical and rational. You should be mocked, because you're arrogant and you insult other people and you make poor childish arguments.
@Vectorman Actually, you did say it was the best because the creators say it's the best. I quote:
"You think they would call it "Ultimate" if it wasn't? Yeah, right"
"The Nintendo company and the title are gonna lie about their product. ( Sarcasm/rolls eyes ). It's got Ultimate in the title, it's admitting it's the best"
"IF words have no meaning, what's the point?"
So the creator's word's cannot be wrong, but a reviewers words can be wrong? How does that make sense? You need to stop worshipping Nintendo and Sakurai. It's not about whether words have meaning, it's about whether someone's opinion is fact, when the entire thing is subjective.
Actually judgement is spelled with an e between the g and the m. I would have thought someone as smart as you would have looked that up in the dictionary before posting that. This is another way you are making a fool of yourself.
I already did say why or how you were rude to others.
I'm starting to suspect you are actually a troll, no one could be this ridiculous. A+ very convincing.
@Vectorman Why do you say the same things over and over? It's really weird.
Omg, you fool, if you go to the dictionary, you will find that it is one of those words that is spelled both ways. Obviously if you just literally "google" the word you will get results for either spelling. Do I need to do all your thinking for you?
@Vectorman Is there such a thing as Karma? I guess like the question of which smash bros game is best, you think that if you simply say it is so, then it is so. And if there is Karma, then perhaps you best worry for yourself, because I think Karma would look poorly upon those that declare the preferences of others to be the result of being stubborn, stuck in their ways, elitist, etc. and declaring yourself to be the cleverest, nicest, smartest, etc.
Anyhow, go have your shower, and revel in your new experience of the ignore button. Big day for you! Best you have an early night!
@Vectorman It's not objectively the best because "Multiple other people & sources say so", the exact same reason you think "proves" Ultimate is the best. That's why it's a subjective judgement
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