The Wii U's dire commercial situation has become something of an industry joke these days, with some of Nintendo's harsher critics taking delight in pointing out how the Japanese firm has gone from an install base of almost 100 million with the Wii to 10 percent of that total in a single hardware generation. Despite the failure of the console to replicate the performance of its all-conquering predecessor, Wii U owners have can take solace in the fact that in purely critical terms, the platform has been a success - Nintendo's first-party output is some of the highest rated of recent years, and Mario Kart 8, Splatoon, Zelda: Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U have all more than justified the purchase of the console to millions of grateful players.
However, few would argue that the Wii U has quantity as well as quality, and the system has been starved of decent software support in the past 18 months. That inevitably means that owners are constantly looking forward to the next big Nintendo release, and for many this year, that was Star Fox Zero. Announced at E3 2014 and then confirmed for a 2015 take-off at this year's event, the game has become a focal point for Wii U owners during the past few months - players who have had very few big-name titles to shout about during 2015.
Sadly, even this dream has been crushed as it has been confirmed that Fox McCloud and company won't be arriving in time to celebrate Christmas. The game has been pushed back into the worryingly vague "Q1 2016" window, leaving Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival and (a last minute edit, sorry Xenoblade fans) Xenoblade Chronicles X as the Wii U's only real weapons this holiday season. We don't doubt that all three will be interesting games to play, but they arguably lack the mainstream brand appeal that a new Star Fox outing can offer.
It is of course telling that the man who broke the bad news was none other than Shigeru Miyamoto, who in the past has been famously quoted about the danger of releasing a bad game early just for the sake of hitting a launch date. Nintendo is to be applauded for putting quality first and as Miyamoto himself as said, people will forget about the missed release window if the final game is a classic. However, the ramifications of this delay could have serious consequences on the short-term future of the Wii U - especially during the holiday season when traditionally, the bulk of console sales happen.
Without a major title to entice new players, the Wii U's appeal is going to be drastically diminished. Those who have yet to take the plunge and upgrade their aging Wii, PS3 or Xbox 360 will walk into their local game store and be bombarded by a selection of new releases on Sony and Microsoft's next-gen platforms, but Nintendo's console will have little to offer beyond existing games - some of which boast impressive longevity but will have stopped being actively promoted by retailers - and niche propositions, such as the aforementioned Mario Tennis sequel, Xenoblade Chronicles X and the amiibo-focused Animal Crossing spin-off (which, if you're feeling particularly uncharitable, you could suggest that even hardcore Nintendo fans don't want). Of course, Nintendo will use its existing library to tempt in new customers, and games like Splatoon, Mario Kart 8 and the recently-released Super Mario Maker have the kind of universal appeal that ensures they maintain steady business months after their initial release - but it's unlikely that even these evergreen hits will be enough to put the console on the radar of enough potential customers.
Looking beyond the dismayed faces of Wii U owners as they cross Star Fox Zero off their lists for Santa this year, the delay perhaps suggests that Nintendo has all but given up on its current home console and instead is focusing all of its energies on the successor, currently known as the Nintendo NX. While there's little more than rumours and conjecture to support it, a 2016 release for the new console could well happen. The Wii U has all but run out of steam and is unlikely to be a realistic commercial proposition by the end of next year; certainly, Nintendo's E3 event earlier in 2015 seemed to suggest that - Star Fox Zero and Zelda aside - the Wii U is being put out to pasture and Nintendo's attention has shifted to future hardware. There are even suggestions that Zelda's much-publicised delay is to ensure that it can be launched alongside the NX, just as Nintendo did with Twilight Princess when that arrived on both GameCube (its intended system) and Wii (as a retooled launch title).
Nintendo will not have taken the decision to delay Star Fox Zero lightly, but in the grand scheme of things, ruining the Christmases of 10 million Wii U owners matters little when you consider that not so long ago, the company could call upon a domestic audience almost ten times that size. Like a boxer who finds themselves counting down the clock on a particularly poor round, Nintendo will be prepared to shrug off the failure of the Wii U and put all of its energies into the next round: NX. If you were fancied really sticking your neck out, it's tempting to suggest that Star Fox Zero is being held back for a dual-launch on NX as well, although the GamePad-focused control method counts against this conspiracy theory somewhat.
Of course, we should be thankful that the Wii U - while failing to capture the imagination of players in the same way the Wii did - has been blessed with a library of first-party Nintendo games which make it well worth owning. Even so, recounting the console's current predicament makes for pretty grim reading whichever way you look at it, and one has to wonder if the Wii U had launched with Super Mario Maker, could it have proven its worth to the wider public and gained a greater degree of early momentum? That is of course a question that is impossible to answer, but we should take some comfort in the knowledge that Nintendo isn't stubbornly ignoring its current situation and has, very recently, taken action to ensure that it enters 2016 in the best possible shape.
Legendary internal studios Nintendo EAD and Nintendo SPD have been fused into a single group, and new technology and business development teams have also been established. Then there's the famous alliance with Japanese mobile firm DeNA and the promise of Nintendo games on smartphones. Such news may have left a bad taste in the mouths of some Nintendo diehards, but by opening up another valuable revenue stream the company can return to healthy profits sooner rather than later, and that should hopefully benefit other parts of its core business, too.
While it may be too early to start digging a grave for the Wii U and ordering the headstone, the console is undoubtedly reaching the end of its commercial lifespan and the delay of Star Fox Zero is a massive blow to its chances of making it into a few more thousand homes this Christmas. Not that Nintendo is letting such concerns trouble it unduly - the company's gaze has passed beyond its current hardware and is fixed squarely on the future, a future in which it can hopefully return to the forefront of the games industry from both a critical and commercial perspective.
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"Nintendo's console now lacks a AAA release this Christmas"
3 words.
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Nintendooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed...........
Take this time to add in house multiplayer!!
I have too many fantastic games on my Wii U! not enough time to play them all!
I guess it doesn't really affect me - but I can imagine as a kid - opening up Star Fox on Xmas and just spending all day playing it - IDK - I think Nintendo sort of whiffed on this one - they pushed Zelda back - maybe off the Wii U entirely - and now this... .I'm bummed. But I guess I'm gonna play Xenoblade CX - I wasn't going to - but I feel sort of bullied into it. I relent - I'll put down Splatoon for a bit when Xenoblade comes out.
Doesn't Xenoblade Chronicles X count for anything? I'd say that's more Triple A than Star Fox Zero (and that's coming from a big PlatinumGames fan)
@Greenalink
So true. I'm so hyped for that game.
Really? That nail's been wacked every which way, so at least the games that actually are coming are going to leave the best legacy possible. And yes, we have Xenoblade Chronicles X, which I hope Nintendo gives a big campaign for.
Seriously guys no mention of Xenoblade Chronicles X which is by far a bigger game than Mario Tennis and AC Amiibo Festival.
I would never call Star Fox a AAA title. Xenoblade won't appeal to enough people to get Wii U any attention. What we will see more the CHRISTmas is Mario Maker and Splatoon. At least here we will also see a Yoshi's push as well.
Why has Xenoblade Chronicles X not been mentioned here!? I'm more excited for that and the new Project Zero than I ever was for Star Fox.
Very well written article! It feels like Nintendo's been focusing on the NX for some time now and after the release of Mario Maker, they're shifting all their resources to that side.
At least we still have Amiibo Festival as our AAA title! Yay!
I hardly think delaying Starfox a few months is going to be "the final nail in the Wii U's coffin", lol.
You know what would have really killed the Wii U? A terrible Starfox game that kills the francises chances of ever being revived due to 3 or 4 (depending on how you look at it) mediocre to awful Starfox games in a row.
As a huge Star Fox fan.....this is terrible. Nintendo really needs to get their act together. I'm sure I'm not alone in being wary of the NX after so many failures and mistakes with the Wii U.
" ruining the Christmases of 10 million Wii U owners", really?!
I'd be surprised if even a tenth of that is looking forward to this game. Not saying the game won't be great, but Star Fox just isn't that popular.
So... Where's just going to completely ignore Xenoblade X then?
@llamareborn Xenoblade is going to be amazing but it's not going to shift Wii U consoles. Mario Tennis and Animal Crossing have much more recognition with the gaming public.
The Wii U had its final nail in the coffin long ago. This article is dumb and frankly I'm an idiot for even clicking on it and typing up this comment.
Does anyone really still not think the Wii U is dead? Anyone?
So a couple things here:
A) Regarding Xenoblade: yes there is still major reason to be hype about this. I suspect Nintendo will try to hitch its wagon to this (even though they didn't make it) and on the other hand prop up Yoshi's Wooly World, which still isn't out for us Americans. That said, Xenoblade may have the quality of a AAA game - and it certainly is one in its native country - but it will not sell like one. XBC is a niche title on a console with a super small install base. It will not push the needle for the holidays; especially with a launch date AFTER Black Friday.
B) It cannot be overstated how stupid Nintendo is for having botched their release calendar in America this year. So unbelievably stupid. Mario Maker is the REAL big Nintendo release this year. It is this year's NSMBU or SM3DW or Smash Bros. It was the finished game. Forget trying to line it up with anniversary dates - Mario Maker should have been the November release, not Star Fox. It was the game that was actually FINISHED. Yoshi's Wooly World, which again, STILL isn't out in the U.S., should have been the September release here in the states, which would have made the wait for what's already a finished and localized game less egregious than it already is. Star Fox's delay is no surprise, given how rough it looked at E3, the fact that they didn't feel comfortable giving a date THEN, and obviously, Miyamoto is the man in charge. Star Fox Zero should have always been the scheduled spring release for next year, as Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon have been the last two years.
There's just no excuse schedule mismanagement this bad. Nintendo is going to be absolutely slaughtered in the U.S. this holiday because of bad foresight and timing.
@DrkBndr that's the line that tickled me the most too. Talk about throwing the amiibo out the pram.
Yeah I can't imagine Starfox Zero would have been a big Christmas seller. I'm thinking the Mario Maker bundle is gonna be a big deal though.
How important is Q4 for Nintendo? Yes, the holidays are big in USA and Europe, but isn't Japan their biggest market? I personally doubt that the Wii U would move many consoles because of Star Fox Zero.
I think from a sales perspective the nail was most way in by January 2014 after two failed Christmas periods. I can't think of any console that's 'turned it around' after failing that hard for just one Christmas period, let alone two. If it needed any more confirmation then MK8 failing to cause any significant hardware bump was it. It was never going to miraculously turn around 3 years into it's life, not even if we'd got Zelda and Star Fox this year.
We should just enjoy it while it lasts. It's no indication of the library but there's no doubt this machine is a collossal flop in terms of sales.
How is Xenoblade not a "real weapon" this holiday season and Mario Tennis and Amiibo Festival are? I really do not understand the complete lack of any mention of this game anywhere in this article.
@marnelljm As a huge Starfox fan, you should be relieved that Nintendo is taking its time with it, rather than deliver a suboptimal experience that could tarnish Starfox's name.
As a Wii U owner, yes, it kind of sucks.
I'm not losing any sleep over this delay. As soon as I get Xenoblade Chronicles X, I will forget about all other games for a while.
@Greenalink THIS! XCX is as major as StarFox imho. cant wait to play both
I truly don't understand this article, too many flaws.
DOOOOOOOM
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
There, I did it for everyone.
Now knock it off.
Market the hell out of Mario Maker and drop a big update for Splatoon - Christmas is saved!
I wonder, if Xenoblade released in September and they held back Mario maker till around November - would your perspective have changed? Don't get me wrong, I'm still bummed about waiting longer for Star Fox and, if Miyamoto is to be trusted, should be a very early Q1 release. Early February usually seems to be a popular Nintendo release time, though.
I don't think Star Fox is AAA, the main AAA holiday title for this year was taken away from us half a year ago (Zelda) so I wouldn't say the delay is "ruining the Christmases of 10 million Wii U owners". Now if it was Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival getting delayed I'd agree with you, not because people care about the game but rather because the amiibo would also be delayed.
After the lukewarm reception at E3, I'm not surprised about the delay. I would rather have a better game in the long run.
So Nintendo will stop making games now?
This was hardly worth an article. With Super Mario Maker and XCX, a delay for SFZ won't matter much in the big picture. This is nonsense trolls have been posting since launch. Why spread more doom and gloom?
The final Nail in the Wii U coffin was put in a while ago. it is basically now, hold the "wake" long enough for the successor to arrive.
Also, for those wondering about Xenoblade, The game is now just a game that is getting localized and this game is a niche game. We already know everything about that game and the hype for it is basically dead after the countless delays t went through. If people think this game will do amazing, they need a reality check. Nintendo has zero heavy hitters for Christmas and this will bite them in the butt... hard. Right now, I can only see a price cut able to make up for the lack of holiday games.
lol. This article is dumb and wrong. Take this down, NL. If you think the delay of Star Fox is going to kill the Wii U this Christmas, you obviously don't know what people are more excited for. More people are looking forward to Xenoblade Chronicles X than Star Fox.
Heh, all I heard was final nail in coffin. Enough to get the comments rolling.
xENOBLADE!!
I dont think it's that big of a deal. Everyone has been saying "this game will be the game that boosts WiiU sales!" since the thing released in 2012, delaying one might weaken their bottom line but that's better than releasing a mediocre starfox game.
Besides that, the way StarFox Zero has been advertised thus far hasnt garnered a big enough following. It was originally scheduled to release 2 months from now, that isnt enough time to hype a game in this day and age. I think advertising the hell out of it from January til release would be safe, they have a lot of competition.
Well, this was a poorly thought of point of discussion and ultimately nothing more than a childlike reaction to the disappointment of a delay.
Nobody expected Star Fox to have such a significant impact on console sales that its delay warrants a hastily written doom-and-gloom article. The only thing we, as consumers, expect of the Wii U, is that all the games currently promised are released.
The phrase 'beating a dead horse' springs to mind. I guess it would be more accurate to say 'don't beat the old and weary horse that is doing its best to reach the finish line'.
@EllenJMiller It absolutely does if you're talking in the grand scheme of things. I'm certain it will be a fantastic title and I can't wait to get my hands on it. However, not everyone feels the same way. The quality of a particular title doesn't guarantee that it will sell as well as a potentially mediocre well-known title (see Assassin's Creed, COD, and so on).
When I walk into a Game store I most see Fifa and Call of Duty, And I hate them 2 types of game types
I like how delaying Star Fox Zero is somehow the final nail in the Wii U coffin. I'm pretty sure that happened a long time ago. The delay of Zelda was I think the final nail in the coffin.
How many times will the Wii U have it's final nail in the coffin?
@Sinton Japan is a tiny market these days. Nintendo games top the chart in Japan and hardly make a dent in NA in Europe, but they sell way more copies in NA and Europe.
Q4 is also hugely important. In November and December combined in the US they usually shift almost a million Wii U units. In the other 10 months combined they often don't even shift half a million.
@Greenalink
Two words.
"won't sell"
Won't sell in any decent numbers anyway, will be in and out of December sales charts in a week if it even makes it into the charts in the first place.
What this news does further support, is that Nintendo and it's partners are now in full throttle behind NX and a hardware release in the holiday season after its showcase at E3 2016 is almost a definite.
Xenoblade is not of interest to many people who don't own a Wii U. They have a swath of games that tickle that rpg/adventure itch on PS4 an XBOX. To the install base of the Wii U (over the age of 12) however I think it is of more interest the Star Fox and the casual Mario Tennis and Animal Crossing Games. Parents might kid those for their kids ( the below 12 age range) especially if they push hard the Amiibo functionality. I see a lot of kids opening Amiibo on Christmas day.
Out of all of this I just hope Nintendo pushes all its weight for Star Fox behind Xenoblade as it could be the bit of luck it needs to itself established, so that the next game in the series starts with an established broad fanbase.
Also don't forget Japan (arguably Nintendo's biggest market) has Monster Hunter X and the fire emblem cross over.
As a last point I would not rule out some kind of rushed out idea to help spark WII U Interest. Bundle WII U consoles with a download code for a Zelda U demo....massive long shot, but would create buzz
@Greenalink People keep saying Xenoblade, but that game is very, very niche; if you don't like RPGs, you aren't going to buy it.
@grumblebuzzz Star Fox is pretty niche as well. an on rails shooter. They've never been AAA blockbusters.
@Jason723 There was the final nail, and then the extra to make sure it stays shut when it gets buried.
It's probably already been said, but we in NA also get Yoshi's Whooly World this christmas. And really with XCX, I wouldn't have had time for Stair Fax anyway.
@whodatninja People are more apt to try out a shooter than an RPG though, especially one with a heritage like Star Fox has.
The 3DS re-release of the N64 Star Fox game sold almost as many copies as the highly-regarded Xenoblade release for Wii — according to data from VGChartz.
The most any Xeno-series game has sold is about 1-3/4 million. Three Star Fox games have sold at least that many copies — though the most recent was on the Gamecube.
I know the VGChartz numbers can be sketchy. But my point is to the general player, Star Fox is far more recognizable — and thus more likely to be bought — than Xenoblade Chronicles X. The latter will be a critical success, but it is doubtful it will be a sales success.
@Aurumonado
Mid October isn't Christmas. That is barely Q4.
Nintendo is clearly giving up on a large number of console sales just to make sure Star Fox is a "finished product" on release. That says a lot about the company, in my humble opinion.
@TruenoGT People are dismissing XBX in terms of sales, not critical reception. Xenoblade Chronicles was certainly not one of the biggest selling games of last gen, selling less than a million on a console with a 100 million userbase. That's less than 1% of the console owners. Final Fantasy is considered a AAA franchise because the last one sold over 7 million copies (which was low for the franchise compared to PS2 and PS1 entries). XBX will get more buzz on gaming sites than Star Fox but Star Fox would have sold more if they'd both been released this holiday.
Another Wii U title delay could definitely be the end of a large section of Nintendo. They are having too many delays these days. Many people will be fired and the company will shrink.
This was my first thought when I heard. We were already looking at a thin line-up to end the year, with most of the E3 games coming in 2016. To be honest, I actually forgot this Star Fox game was still due this year which I guess was an indicator that it wasn't going to make the deadline. I'm massively excited for Xenoblade, but this is a big blow to Nintendo's holiday season hopes.
Lacks a AAA release? Xenoblade Chronicles X doesn't count?
Xenoblade Chronicles X is a AAA release, and i'm sure it will sell good.
@Greenalink Two words and a letter, actually
It might not be a Nintendo household name that shifts millions of copies by title alone, but I will surely be spending many happy days in and beyond Xmas exploring the wonders of "Xenoblade Chronicles X". It might seem silly to all of you, but I am also quite looking forward to "FAST Racing Neo". Yes, it is disappointing we are missing out on Fox latest adventure for Xmas, but at least there is now yet another reason to look forward to being a Wii U owner in 2016.
Very sad news, but honestly, it's probably for the best. I always felt that the game needed a bit more polish and this gives me time to catch up on some titles I've missed such as Captain Toad Treasure Tracker.
Also, am I the only one not too phased by this? The Wii U still has a killer holiday line-up with Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Wooly World, and Xenoblade Chronicles X. Mario Tennis Ultra Smash doesn't look too bad either.
Somehow I don't think Star Fox Zero is really a system seller. I think it looks great and whenever it comes out I'll be getting it day 1, but I just don't think it has that mass appeal that everyone will be running out to buy Wii U's to play Star Fox. For people who mentioned Xenoblade, it looks great and will probably do well but it doesn't have that mass appeal either. Super Mario Maker is the real AAA title of 2015. Sadly for the entire year of 2015 we'll only have Splatoon and Super Mario Maker as the only 2 real mass appeal AAA games. Again, that doesn't mean Yoshi and Xenoblade are to be discounted, as those are greta games but they're not system sellers IMO.
I couldn't care less whether nintendo is popular. I live my own life with my own tastes, my own personality and my own beliefs. Growing up, i don't even remember thinking about who was winning a console war- i just liked playing games. Just cos destiny sold 6.5 million copies in a week it's not gonna sway my opinion that G1-Jockey on PS2 is a much more fulfilling game
xenoblade is a big thing.it will sell,i,m sure.all hardcore gamers will get it and its cool and hip enough for casuals and kids.eveybody will like it,how can you not
And no decent VC titles on the horizon.
I'm not surprised actually. In this article, and across several others, the point has basically been made that NX is coming late 2016 (If Nintendo was trying to keep pushing the Wii U, then why even mention the NX so EARLY?), the Wii U was a commercial failure, even IF Zelda and SFZero came out when they were supposed to, the list gets insanely thin after XCX for the whole YEAR of 2016. I don't know if it's been announced yet, but I feel about 90% certain that Zelda will launch in 2016, but it will do so a la Twilight Princess style where it launches for both Wii U (since it's basically a done game, just being polished) and makes a nice launch title for NX. To me, this whole picture has been pretty clear to see, but Nintendo is also trying not to "hurt the feelings" of Wii U owners by breaking this obvious news to us, though to us who follow the news everyday can see right through it all. Lastly, the holiday situation 2015 - For NA at least, It technically starts with Yoshi's Woolly World, and whether it's a system seller or not, it will be touted "throughout" the holiday and hits the marketing target of "kids" and "holiday". Then the western world gets XCX where while a 2rd party offering, and perhaps, "everyone" may not play it, the hardcore who loved the first and are into RPGs will be MORE than satiated (I know I will, but I'm only one of those few).
All I'm saying is, with all the chips they're stacking on the NX, it had better be backwards-compatible.
The PS4 and XB1 not being backwards compatible is what made me swear off both of those console families for good. If Nintendo goes the same route, I might just become a PC gamer or, more likely, drop my gaming habit altogether.
In terms of 'AAA' I would have thought XCX was more 'AAA' than Star Fox ; although both are niche titles. Mario Tennis will probably sell more copies than both. Animal Crossing will definitely sell more consoles than Star Fox. A price cut coupled with a marketing push would sell more consoles than any Star Fox game ever could. It was fairly obvious this game would be delayed. In my opinion Nintendo only said it would be out this holiday to soften the blow of Zelda U getting delayed. Oh well , at least it's another WII U game for 2016 !
What a shame for the Wii U, cause the console is good, but yeah, what a disaster this thing has been.
i'm fine with it being delayed. i have Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon coming and some cover plates plus XCX in December. That's good enough for me. I'd rather have a great game than a crappy game. Plus there are tons of Wii U games that I haven't gotten yet, like Splatoon, Lego Dimensions, Skylanders Superchargers (for my son), SMM, and SMTxFE. Plus I'm looking forward to AC Amiibo Festival and Mario Tennis Ultra Smash. Come on you can play as a giant Bowser, how can that not be fun.
@krakensoup
Agreed, but with the loss of Zelda prior to this delay, it was at least a recognizable brand. More so than a tennis game, and Xenoblade, which is the point they were trying to make.
@Greenalink Thank you! And let's face it Star Fox was never a system seller or a high selling game to begin with anyway so its delay is only a "catastrophe" for hardcore Nintendo fans who already own the console anyway.
Don't really care about the delay, I wasn't planning to buy it day one, I wonder if the delay is because of Iwata's passing, miyamoto had a lot to do. but for my games for the holidays I have project zero, xenoblade X and rodea preordered, and I'm going to buy the star wars adventure packs for disney infinity and that's just for my wiiu. Right now I'm too busy playing mgs5 on ps3, and I have my backlog...
Star Fox was never going to "save" the Wii U. Only a proper price cut would move consoles, and even that is a year overdue.
@Peach64 Okey, thanks for the feedback!
I still don't think Star Fox Zero would've moved many consoles, and I doubt this will affect the sales of Star Fox Zero much, especially if the game goes from mediocre to good.
I'm fine with delay. However, with present circumstances having made it impossible to deny that the Wii U is on its last legs as of E3 2015 (even to diehard Nintendo fans like myself), articles like this that continue reinforcing that point are needless garbage/clickbait. I would have expected better from NL. For comparison, you guys did a much better job with this article (which I liked), which actually added something new to the conversation: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/09/talking_point_sweeping_internal_changes_show_that_nintendo_is_ready_to_tackle_new_challenges
@Goginho
Point taken "exx"
This article sure is strange. Was it rushed?
Is 'AAA' subjective because according to Nintendo Life Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival is 'AAA' but Xenoblade Chronicles and Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water are not.
At first i thought you were confusing 'AAA' with 'most likely to sell' but then you say that delaying Star Fox ruined the Xmas's of 10M Wii U owners. Trust me, Star Fox as a franchise is nowhere near that popular and wasn't likely to sell significantly more than the titles i mentioned above (which you somehow didn't think it pertinent to mention)
Article was well written but the central argument is flawed and it has glaring omissions.
I think this article completely forgets Super Mario Maker much like Mario Kart 8 will have legs on it. We also have Fatal Frame and Xenoblade Chronicles X on the way. These might not have broad appeal, but Xenoblade Chronicles could easily have the tout that Final Fantasy does if it just had a marketing budget behind it. There is also the possibility of Pokken Fighter coming sooner than we think.
Nintendo could also be smart and declare this the season of Virtual Console and flood the eShop with some of the quality Wii, N64, SNES, and NES titles that are missing.
Let's be honest here, this "AAA" nonsense has become something of a plague on the games industry. Publishers in recent times have been pushing way too hard for AAA titles. These days "AAA" is counting for less and less, as publishers make every game "AAA", and Most of the time they're being released as buggy messes. AC Unity for example and its fiasco.
The last AAA title I brought at launch (that wasn't Nintendo) was either Alien Isolation or Evole. The latter was a monumental disappointment, a hideous mess of almost everything wrong with current AAA games. The former was praised by critics and players, but considered a disappointment by Sega.
I saw a recent editorial by Jim Sterling that pointed out that not every game has to be a AAA. More smaller titles may produce a better profit than throwing all their eggs into a "AAA" title shaped basket. I may have not brought many "Big Games" recently, but I have brought many indie and such games.
Yeah, a lack of many new "Big Games" for the WiiU this Christmas may be a disappointment, but if the PS4's AAA games end up being AC Unitys due to be rushed out the door, then WiiU owners won't be the only ones dealing with disappointments.
Being a grown adult with a 60+ hour a week job, I don't really mind that it's delayed. Xenoblade will occupy my holiday gaming and hopefully it will fill the spring release slot and give me something to sink my paws into then.
10 year old me would be furious though 😈
I'm sure Nintendo know fully well that Star Fox isn't really a system seller. Yeah, us fans are gonna go out and buy it, but the larger number of Wii-U owners probably won't have this game on their radar.
The only game that Nintendo has left, that we know about and what will sell systems, is Zelda Wii-U. And let's face it, that game isn't coming out till the second half of 2016. So maybe it's a blessing that Star Fox is delayed, just to try and keep the sales ticking over throughout 2016.
P.S Xenoblade Chronicles X looks like a fantastic games. Let's just hope it gets advertised to the right people.
Also if the Super Mario Maker Wii-U bundle gets a price drop before Christmas, you can almost predict that Wii-U sales will be good to decent.
Remember when the N64 and Gamecube had price drops?
Myamoto knew what would happen to sales if he delayed it. He knew the backlash he would get for the decisions. But he still did it. He did it because he wanted the game to be polished for us. Sure this is a bonehead decision but its done with good intentions that I just can't be angry over this.
Another cretinous clickbait article. First, when Star Fox was announced at E3 this year, the reaction was tepid by both the audience and the press. Then, when the press got to try the game, the reactions - again - were mixed, if not negative. Now that it has been delayed to fix what people obviously didn't like when they tried it at E3 - it's a cataclysm all of a sudden.
Let's be honest - how many consoles could a game like Star Fox shift that Splatoon and Mario Maker couldn?! What kind of mass market appeal can Star Fox really have?! It's a game in the style of 15 years ago from a series people hardly remember anymore.
Their is very little coming to Wii U for the rest of this year. Star Fox has universal appeal but its more a 'B' game than 'Triple A' - same with Xenablades X & Mario Tennis. And other than Pokken & Star Fox coming in 2016 and Zelda (possibly to Wii U) what else do we know about what's coming to Wii U?? Nothing. In that sense, their is nothing to get excited about. Same with 3DS as well - not much is known about 2016. With that in mind NX is likey to be released late next year and its very likely to be a new home console & new portable console, similar to PS4 & PSvita (Im guessing anyway).
Everyone's calling this a clickbait article while clicking on it. LMAO!
The Wii U was on its deathbed before the Star Fox Zero delay. SFZ wasn't going to sell many consoles this holiday. Nintendo may not even move a million more Wii U units before the end of the year.
SFZ, Xenoblade Chronicles X, etc. are rewards for current owners. There are probably a handful of PS4 / X1 owners who will finally pick up a Wii U this Christmas as a secondary console, but it's past the point of no return now that its two biggest upcoming games are delayed indefinitely (and possibly shifted to NX).
@Sinton Japan is their smallest market. USA market is bigger than japan and europe combined.
I don't think it can even be convincingly argued that the Wii U will not be in a tough stop in the sales department this holiday season, Star Fox Zero I wouldn't even consider a huge recognisable hitter but it had the potential to move some consoles whereas I just don't see XCX, Mario Tennis and AC: The Board Game doing so.
People say the Wii U is now doomed. lol. The Wii U's been doomed for a while now and nothing Nintendo makes is going to help it bounce back. Hurray for yet another drought I guess.
I do not agree. "Ruining the Christmases of 10 million" My Christmas is not ruined by Star Fox Zero's delay. Delays happen. They've happened a ton in recent years. It's something you come to get used to. Unfortunate, yes. "The Final Nail In The Wii U's Coffin"? Uh, no.
So for 2015 the Wii U got a few eShop titles and an early access third person shooter than was marked up by 50% in North America just because?
The only full 2015 release for the Wii U will be Xenoblade Chronicles X. Every other 2015 game was either incomplete or takes about 4 hours to finish, the exception being Mario Maker which is a $60 flash game.
But look on the bright side: We got 500 new amiibos! Who needs video games when you have happy meal toys?
I don't think Star Fox Zero was going to appeal to many people who don't already have a Wii U anyway. Heck, not even I planned on getting it, and I get just about every Nintendo game worth getting.
I don't think this will be a particularly strong Christmas for the Wii U, but I would also argue that releasing SFZ wouldn't have had the impact people hope it would.
Quite surprised Nintendo didn't use Mario Maker and Pokken as NX launch titles.
@MoonKnight7 I agree with that. Star Fox is a big name but I just don't know that Zero will really sell systems and will even be that a big a seller.
@HueyLewisFan - I agree, seems like a massive overreaction. The NX isn't due for at least twelve months and they'll want to keep Wii U owners happy between now and then with some quality games to get excited about.
I wonder if with the delay of Starfox they'll bring the SMT crossover game forward.
I honestly don't think that Star Fox being delayed will really alter things too much. I think they'll just plod along with Splatoon and Mario Maker for the rest of the year. Maybe announce the winners of the Smash ballot.
I love the Wii U. The library has been great and the Wii U has historically gotten a lot more playtime than the PS4 in my house. Until recently because the PS4 library is getting really good at the same time the Wii U library is on life support.
Hats of to Nintendo for making sure those of us who bought this little machine had some great games. But anyone who thinks this thing has any legs, or that Star Fox or XCX will save it this holiday is kidding themselves. Nintendo hasn't dropped the price because they don't want to invest in increasing production capacity for a machine that has an end of life planned. It was no accident they announced the NX when they did--and that was for shareholders, not gamers, benefit.
Thanks for the memories, Nintendo. I'll file them away with the under appreciated GameCube library and hope for backwards compatibility on the NX. It's not like most of the great games needed the game pad, so why not?
@Lorddofthecastle Have been looking over some numbers since posting (also got feedback from others), and while USA seems to be the most important market, it's not bigger than Japan & Europe combined. Japan & "Others" (Europe and Australia, I Guess) are bigger than "Americas" (USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, others?). However, most of those countries celebrate Christmas, so I guess it will make an impact.
But, as stated by me and others, I doubt it will affect the sale of consoles. I doubt anyone will think "hey, there's a Star Fox game coming out to mediocre reviews - I better buy me an Wii U!".
Did anybody outside of the "Nintnedo community" even know Starfox was being released this holiday? TV commercials, magazine ads, Twitter screenshots. Anything? Who (among the holiday shoppers) will even know it got delayed if nobody knew it was coming out? All I see is COD, SW:Battlefront and Destiny.
Well actually that last part isn't true, mostly what I see are Lego Dimensions, DI 3.0, and Skylanders Superchargers and their DK and Bowser amiibo. And I think that will be the big Ntineod push this holiday - toys to life. DI 3.0 is only $20 on the Wii U eShop, Skylanders Superchargers is $50. I think Ninteod is going from 1st party to no party for this holiday. They will advertise SMM, and XCX's beautiful screenshots in the gaming mags, which look much better than SFZ, but I think they'll be pushing those other 3 games alongside their own AC:aF amiibo. Something along the lines of - "Wii U - the only console that plays ALL the toys to life games: Yoshi (Oct in NA), DI, Skylanders Lego D and AC:aF." That's their marketing this holiday, Yoshi and AC amiibo and everybody elses' toys. They might even sell MORE Wii U by spending their advertising $ on those other games than on SFZ as the toys may draw in a larger audience for the holidays.
This article is the final nail in the Nintendolife's coffin. Now you are on the same level of gamespot/ign and other click/flame bait sites.
The article is dumb, for a lot of reasons like:
-Starfox is a Niche title.
-There is AAA titles comming in the end of year(but of course you guys don't know this, because you are spending too much time creating click baits)
-Yes, the Wii U is not selling well but it's not related with starfox and Nintendo made a lot of mistakes.
"The Wii U's dire commercial situation has become something of an industry joke these days"
This WAS the best gamming site from the web now it's just a jolk. Good job!
I have a Wii U, a PS4 and soon an Xbox One. Delaying Star Fox is not a bad decision, bad games are more damaging than delayed games but, yes, there are tons of bad decisions that Nintendo has made in recent years. They showed an arrogant and over-confident side because of DS and Wii success, and now they are paying.
The worst idea Nintendo has ever had was not buying Stamper brothers' 51% share of Rare before Microsoft showed interest. But if you look at 3DS and Wii U launches, the underpowered hardware, high price and weak software were all dumb decisions.
The Nintendo I've always loved started dying in the Wii era, but I know I'll keep supporting them because some of their games still are refined, beautiful and fun, including recent Yoshi's Woolly World, Luigi's Mansion 2, Tropical Freeze or Pikmin 3, although some of them were paid but not developed by them (the first three of those). However, Mario has gone worse with New Super Mario Bros. series and confined Super Mario 3D World. Mario Party has also showed one of it worst entries on Wii U. There are no F-Zero nor Wave Race (which I love), Skyward Sword was a disappointment in some sense...
What I want is Nintendo to go back making really good games, and not forgetting about what fans want - like F-Zero and Wave Race, last seen in GameCube! They only seem to care about Mario these days.
@NintyMan
"I don't care too much that Wii U's a commercial failure, though, as its outstanding first-party games still make it a winner to me!"
I will never understand this line of thinking. The lack of commercial success is directly related to the lack of games. If all you're after is 1st party titles, then by definition you are a part of the problem. By not supporting more 3rd party content on Nintendo's platforms you are in effect telling them 'take your games elsewhere, we don't want them'.
And if you can't find anything from a 3rd party worth playing, then I can't help you.
@rennandovale Spoken like a true NDF. Take the blinders off.
By the way, the headlines couldn't get any more gutter than that.
I think May would be the best time to release the game. Note, Mario Kart 8 released in May 2014-It does amazingly well, Splatoon-May 2015-Does amazingly well. Starfox in May would be for the betterment of the Game.
@Spoony_Tech Agreed on SFX not being AAA. What do you think Ninteod will advertise more during the holidays (in NA): the Yoshi game for under the tree or the Yoshi amiibo as stocking stuffers? We only own 5 ammibo, though I did buy Sylanders w/ DK yesterday, but I will buy all 3 of the Yoshi if I can find them, 1 each for my wife and 2 sons. I believe my oldest is getting YWW for Christmas. The youngest Skylanders, and I'm getting XCX special ed. Gives me 3 months to just think about what to get my wife.
Star Fox Zero can hardly be called a AAA title. If anything, it's just an incredibly low budget and experimental project for Miyamoto to mess around with. It's just like those Project Giant and Project Guard demos, but with a name and slightly more flesh.
The ONLY AAA-class game that the Wii U has this holiday is Xenoblade X and that all hasn't changed.
Considering the success of Xenoblade. X has the potential to work if Nintendo plays their cards right.
I think Xenoblade is just as important as Star Fox and will do nicely as a holiday title. I do think it should get moved to November though. To take advantage of black friday in the US. Plus there are still going to be plenty of people picking up SMM for the first time this holiday season.
Not to mention there are other holiday season titles on the way (skylanders with the unique amiibo draw, devils third for NA, Yoshi for NA). I don't believe in killer apps as I'd never buy a console for one game. I do however believe in a rolling game period and Nintendo is providing that this holiday season. Starting with Sept there is a new game to buy each month if you live in the NA. This is still a great time to be a wiiu owner.
Also Star Fox hasn't been mainstream since the N64 outing. Not a bad series but nobody stated it was the savior of xmas before the delay, so no need to act like it is THAT big of a loss now.
@gatorboi352 The classic line of thinking that Nintendo fans hate third party games and won't buy anything that isn't Mario. Well I ask you this why would you buy the Wii U version if its likely a rushed or crappy port. Never mind the fact alot of these AAA devs have no qualms about treating the Nintendo audience like utter garbage
@gatorboi352 The classic line of thinking that Nintendo fans hate third party games and won't buy anything that isn't Mario. Well I ask you this why would you buy the Wii U version if its likely a rushed or crappy port. Never mind the fact alot of these AAA devs have no qualms about treating the Nintendo audience like utter garbage
The Wii U wasn't going to sell whether Starfox made November or not. It certainly wouldn't have helped if the game was as poor as it looked in previews. With the barrage of big releases on other systems the Wii U line up was already too weak to make an impact anyway.
@rennandovale
It's a good article. Your response just sounds like petulant fanboyism.
Well, they might push Super Mario Maker more than ever I guess.
Oh no! They're releasing star fox and it looks like utter crap and nobody will be interested in it Killing the Wii U as a consequence! Grab the Torches!
some time later
Oh no! They pushed star fox back to make it better and prettier and now maybe it'll be worth buying consequently killing the Wii U! Grab the pitchforks!
Seriously, are we, as a fanbase Cretins ? I sure would hope not...
Maybe they will surprise us with Metroid or zelda😂 and just because the wii sold 100 million doesn't mean the 100 million are likely to buy AAA Nintendo games they bought wii fit n stuff like that.
I feel like Star Fox Zero's delay is more like extra nails after the final nail on the Wii U's coffin.
Real final nail in the Wii U coffin -
Amazon fire TV Gamer edition comes w/ Wii U "exclusive" Shovel Knight.
http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00XNQECFM/ref=ods_gw_d_LG9_JL_Tab_AFTVGE?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-jeff-letter&pf_rd_r=1CZCTSM43DZ7G3F12FC3&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2210357402&pf_rd_i=desktop
If that's not a shot fired across the Wii U bow I don't know what is.
I wonder how to get the SK amiibo to work on fire TV?
(for those who don't know me, the above was all written in jest, clickbait comment for a clickbait article, seemed about right)
Well done to both Damien and Nintendo Life for publishing an article like this. Some of the comments on here are laughable in their zealot-like reverence for Nintendo, without realising that it's the true fans who want the company to take responsibility for their actions (or lack of) and to see it evolve and grow. People SHOULD want better, otherwise Nintendo is going to get lazy by asking us to "please understand" time after time. Having such a weak winter lineup only three years into a consoles life cycle is a stupid mistake to be making in this day and age. Despite the rough year it's had, Nintendo is a global company and it needs to start acting like one.
The only part where I disagree is saying "ruining the Christmases of 10 million Wii U owners matter little". To me, Wii U owners represent the "Nintendo Faithful". The core supporters the company relies on when the general gaming population turns it's back. The people who will be in line on day one when new Nintendo hardware is released. Giving these people another reason the regret buying a Wii U will become another hurdle for the NX.
Personally, I got my WIi U day one, never regretted it and am really looking forward to Xenoblade X this Christmas but I'll probably "wait and see" on the NX though.
If they had released a REAL Animal Crossing game for Xmas it could have sold many Wii U consoles.
This is like the 10th "final nail in Wii U's coffin" I've heard about.
And yet the system is still here, still getting games.
And if you're talking about sales success, the final nail was a long time ago. That's not news.
***I think a game getting pushed back a few months (said Q1 2016 release) hardly constitutes any nail in any coffin. People were even saying they wanted the game to "look better". Well, there ya go. Now it will. And Xenoblade X is the big holiday game. It's even getting a Collectors Edition, which is usually only reserved for the likes of Zelda.
More like the Wii U has already had the final nail put into it's coffin... The Star Fox delay is more like driving additional long nails right down the center of the coffin, just to bring more pain and desecration! Star Fox 64 released less than a year after the N64's launch... The new Star Fox needed to be done years ago. Too little, too late. As if things like having no true successor to Mario Galaxy 1&2 on Wii U wasn't painful enough... Reminds me of having no true Sonic successor on the Sega Saturn... And the Dreamcast STILL has more systems sold than Wii U!
As for Animal Crossing Party... It's charitable just to give that a pass and say nothing of it. Requiring amiibos for that type of game to function is a huge mistake.
Hell. Guess that means Xenoblade Chronicles X, Super Mario Maker, Fatal Frame, and Yoshi's Wooly World mean nothing and the impact Splatoon has is gone.
Final nail. I'm so mad I clicked on this article...but hey, it reminded me why I left this site alone for a little while.
Not surprised about the reaction this is getting. I would venture to say that the final nail was placed long ago in the coffin. Now the Wii U is just...existing. However, the games for it keeps pouring in and the games are GREAT!! Some should be happy Nintendo wants to keep their core values in alignment with quality to give gamers the best game they can. Can't be mad at that!
@Fandabidozi Oh well, thanks. LOL
Yeah, I love Wave Race even more than F-Zero. I still play Blue Storm but I want a new Wave Race game.
What are they doing to ensure I (a gamer who has owned every nintendo home console) go out any buys an NX? Delaying games in an already threadbare line up.
D'oh!!
@Spoony_Tech I agree as well that Star Fox is not a AAA title the same way that any Mario, Mario Kart, or Smash title would be. It's more of a niche like Pikmin, Earthbound, or Xenoblade. It has it's fans but they are more of the hardcore gaming market than the general or casual markets. Still I'm fairly certain that Star Fox will sell at least 5 million copies when released. Looks like I'll be picking up Mario Tennis Ultra Smash this CHRISTmas, to have something else to play with my family now that Star Fox is out until next year.
@VanillaLake
I went to reply to your comment and accidentally reported you 😮
I totally recommend playing Blue Storm on a 3D TV - it looks awesome 😎
@Nico07 I seriously doubt Star Fox would ever sell 5 million copies. The best selling Wii U game is MK8 and that only just sold about 5.5 million.
@Nico07 5 million copies??? Has any Wii U game even sold that much yet? Pikmin 3 still hasn't achieved1 million. I think a goal of 1 million is more what they're shooting for. After all they were surprised that Splatoon sold as well as it did. It will never reach Splatoon numbers.
@whodatninja Well that answers my question.
There's been a couple of good games on the Wii U—I'm really enjoying Super Mario Maker right now for example—but overall it's just been a total disappointment for me personally.
There's just so many things Nintendo got wrong with this system, and one of the most important things they messed up was having a couple of genuinely great, system selling games at launch that fully showed off the unique features of the Wii U GamePad in all its glory.
I honestly think things could have been so different for Wii U with just a little more foresight on Nintendo's part, and a few tweaked knobs here and there.
@Fandabidozi How is that even possible? I only have my old Gamecube disc.
@Rafie The Wii U has had a good run, but I agree that Star Fox wasn't the final nail. It likely happened soon after the release of Smash Bros, but I can't complain as the Wii U has and will continue to give me some of the best gaming experiences of this console generation. It's widely been known that the NX would likely be releasing anytime between late next Spring and Spring of 2017. Resources for any launch titles would likely be spread thin and so releasing a feature rich port of Star Fox or Zelda could always be a possibility. Per one developer the NX home console could still be paired with the Wii U's GamePad. And the other possibility would be in using the portable NX paired with the home console for a game like Star Fox Zero. Still it's all speculation at this point, but again I don't believe that delaying Star Fox will change the Wii U's fate.
@Greenalink Not a game for everyone sir.
@Spoony_Tech @whodatninja Alright so I revise my number, it will likely sell between 1 and 3 million in it's lifetime sales.
The best thing about calling something the last nail in a coffin is that someone can always sneak up and pound in another one. The metaphor that never dies.
@VanillaLake
A 3D TV can turn your games into a 3D image when you select the option. It works brilliantly with games and HD films on mine. You have to wear the glasses also.
@Vineleaf Eventually, though, there can be so many nails that there's more metal than wood...
Now, I don't think having Super Mario Maker at launch would have set the Wii U on an entirely different path in and of itself, but I do think having a few games like Super Mario Maker and Art Academy: Atelier at launch, possibly even bundled in with the system, really would have shown more people what was so compelling about the GamePad proposition out the gate, and I think that could/would have definitely helped. Ultimately though, I think the Wii U had/has so many problems that go beyond just a lack of games that show off the GamePad to its fullest, and it's all those issues combined that I believe led to the Wii U's failure.
Nintendo has a lot of lessons to learn going forward with the NX, and I just hope it has learned them.
Lesson 1: If your console doesn't have some genuinely compelling software/services day one, that really show off what's so awesome about the machine and why people need to own it, then you're probably already off to a bad start.
@DarthNocturnal It hasn't been out as long as the Wii U though. Most of the Wii U sales came in that first year as well. Its been a flop since. This system will go down as the delayed games system when they needed them the most. Too many countless delays.
@DarthNocturnal - I think it has 13 million but yeah, you're right, the xbone doesn't get any doom and gloom even though the PS4 is destroying it sales wise.
@DarthNocturnal Funny how the media can spin things however they choose. Because yes, the PS4 has a pretty commanding lead in sales at 25.4 million, Xbox One 13.9 million, and Wii U 10.3 million. Also worth mentioning that the 3DS has 54.1 million sales to the Vita's 12.4 million.
@helbertpina totally agree with you. This is the Nintendo we know and love/hate. Lose a few sales in order to polish a game and make sure the franchise stays strong. Quality over all else. Another below average Star Fox title may be the final nail in the franchise. I'm happy to wait!
It's not helping that Xenoblade is hitting the market in the same period as Fallout 4, Tales of Zestiria and Dragon Quest Heroes...RPGs and JRPGs fans are not definitely gonna buy a WiiU for it. Star Fox has a much broader appeal...
@DarthNocturnal The Xboned hasn't been out for as long as the Wii U, most of it's sales are in the USA, and it has astronomically more retail and 3rd party support. Not to mention being advertised heavily through the NFL American football/handegg games and commercials...
Also, Xboned is closing in on 15 million consoles sold. Wii U hasn't even broken the lifetime Dreamcast numbers yet...
The Wii U was doomed from the start as a commercial success. No marketing. Very little use of the game's value proposition (gamepad). Delayed games- Rayman, Pikmin etc. Mario Maker released nearly three years too late. Super Mario 3d World WOULD have been close to a system seller- should have been released at launch.
Personally, I think it's a great system- easily my favorite. My expectations are pretty low, however, as I am easily impressed by things of this nature. I thought NintendoLand and Sonic and All Stars Transformed were pretty fantastic. Even though there were some good games spanning from launch to Super Smash Bros., if you waited until Dec. of last year to pick one up, you didn't miss much, except 7 months of Mario Kart.
Nintendo's only hope for a respectable holiday season is that people recognize the console and what is now a very nice library of games. Star Fox wasn't going to move many systems by itself, but if nothing else would be another title to fill retail space. It's pretty sad to go to Walmart, Target or Best Buy, and see the Wii U section all but empty. IMO, this is yet ANOTHER problem- the casual observer looks at the Wii U's game selection in retail, and doesn't get the full scope of the system's game selection. Sometimes there are just a dozen titles- the latest half dozen releases and then a few spare games that haven't sold. Sad.
I don't consider Amiibo Festival as a weapon of any kind. Not unless it's had a major overhaul, at any rate. What we've seen so far is cute amiibo, but the gameplay is practically non-extistent and that poll done around the time of E3 had just 3% of people thinking it a "must buy" and only another 4% saying "want". Sure, we don't know what it's really like until we've played it, but what is shown makes it very unlikely to attract many people at all to even bother trying. The amiibo will sell irregardless. The price of the game has parity with its quality.
The major games for the console, in terms of console sellers, have already been released. Some great games to come (AF aside), but they are unlikely to shift many units and we're not even sure at this rate whether Zelda will be released on the Wii U or left for the NX. I like the Wii U and it IS a critical success, but it just doesn't have the games to appeal to a wider audience to also be a commercial success. Those FPS are great bonding tools and the lack of opportunity to play that way on Wii U, I would reckon has done more damage than delayed releases from Nintendo; you need the same console(s) as your mates. One game (Splatoon) realeased a long way into the console's lifespan, can't make that much of an impact since other console owners have that fix from other games already. The announcement of new hardware (NX) also will have killed off impetus to buy the current console.
I wouldn't buy Starfox anyway, but anything that misses the holiday window will sell less well. The one bright area in dropping the Wii U in favour of the NX is that prices may well decrease more quickly and I'll be able to buy more games that I've previously missed out on. This might be the last holiday for the Wii U. A MEGA eshop sale or something at least will need to happen to ensure that Wii U owners don't get bitter about the move to NX. That might not happen though. If Nintendo is targetting those who didn't buy the Wii U, well that's many, many more than did. Anyway, we've had good times, those of who did get it and gave it a chance.
@gatorboi352 - quite agree. Stupid Nintendo owners for buying a Nintendo console and wanting/prioritising Nintendo games. How dare they. Cough "sarcasm" cough.
Title of article is click bait. Nintendo will be heavily promoting its already strong line-up including selling systems with enticing pack-ins and promoting the value of its existing titles. I'm not sure that Star Fox Zero was for everyone, whereas those who don't already own Mario Kart 8, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Smash Bros, and other great titles might be asking for them for Christmas if they are marketed well, priced at great prices, and if those same kids are bored of their hyped up systems and tablets that simply lack the games.
@Takerkaneanite6 I don't know if I speak for many - but the May release of Mario Kart was the perfect way to start the summer for my kids.
@Yorumi - true, but that's not saying very much compared to the PS4. Considering Microsoft's costs etc. I'm sure they're in the worst position out of the three, commercial at least.
I do not think that they will any AAA games for the Wii U next year this is a NX game now along with Zelda.I really think that the Wii u is Nintendo Saturn.Here we come NX and Dreamcast 2.0.
@Greenalink Ditto. And in NA, a little game called Devil's Third. Perhaps you've heard of it.
Dooooomed!
Wasn't interested anyway, Xenoblade here I come.
Great article. I think the a Wii U is on it's way out too. During these past months I've been able to satisfy my gaming through the PC with Steam, but now with Mario Maker out I'm back on the WiiU. But the future looks really dim. I have no interest in Xenoblade or Tennis and will probably be getting a PS4 soon. I'm looking forward to seeing what Nintendo comes out with next.
Well since starfox was the game I wanted for Xmas and nothing about the other releases interests me at all.......I think I'll buy a ps3 and play some 'last-gen' classics I missed out on like the last of us and gta5!!!
I'm not rushing out to buy an NX on release day like I did with my Wii U. I feel taken advantage of as a consumer a little and I want to be happy when I give my hard earned cash for a new Nintendo console!!
A smartly marketed Wii U bundle with Mario Maker and Splatoon would probably be just as effective in selling units as a rushed Star Fox game, if not more so.
Also am I the only one that doesn't consider 2015 to be a terrible drought for Wii U? I mean between first party retail games and amazing indie eshop titles I have pretty substantial playlog, backlog, and wishlist. Almost overwhelming. (and that's coming from someone who only owns a Wii U this gen. No 3DS, no PS4 etc)
Its fine with me,I'll be too busy playing Fatal Frame and XC
@Psyborg yeah, 2015 was pretty bad. I'd be pretty frustrated if the WiiU was my only way of playing games. Like another poster said, it's almost like Nintendo has taken advantage of the consumer. "Thanks for purchasing the WiiU, see you later. We're gonna go work on other stuff."
I just wish Federation Force was coming out this year!
no triple A titles... what about Xenoblade ? ... that's more than sufficient for months
Star Fox won't sell well. 2015 or 2016, its not gonna do well in my opinion. What they should do is PUSH XENOBLADE! Promote the hell out of it!
Frankly wasn't even concerned with SFZero. My go to holiday game is XCX and even then I still have a log of games both Wii U and 3DS I have yet to play.
Honestly shy of binge playing, as I have a family to provide for nowadays, I've been hammering at all the games I've gotten and still have more to play/buy are people really that starved for games?
That is a genuine question as I don't qualify myself as a good gauge seeing that with Monster hunter alone I have logged thousands of hours and also keep busy with replaying older games as well. Heck this is the first Gen that I have not even completed some games 100%. I can understand being eager to play the newest and greatest iteration of Star Yoshi Prime Maker, but to say there's nothing to play and it is drought central has always seemed a bit extreme to me, it feels like people play a game for a weekend then toss it to the wind.
@MisterMan, instead of wasting everyone's time with a listwar I'll just say I strongly disagree and move on. ( Too many Wii U games to play atm, )
@Wolfgabe
"Well I ask you this why would you buy the Wii U version if its likely a rushed or crappy port."
Because the Wii U is the only console I own? Shouldn't the ideal be that the latest Nintendo console is the only console I will ever need in a given generation because it has all the 1st and 3rd party games I could ever want to play? I mean, that's how it was up until the N64 came out anyways.
Where did Nintendo go wrong? Oh wait, let's just blame "lazy" developers and "evil" publishers because it's easier and our allegiances lie with Ninty.
"However, few would argue that the Wii U has quantity as well as quality"
When it comes to exclusives, the Wii U has both quality and quantity. The problem is that exclusives are pretty much all it's getting these days.
It's disappointing that Star Fox is being delayed (though I'd rather they take their time and make it as good as possible), but honestly, I'm more excited about Xenoblade and Woolly World (which isn't out in America yet, and should probably be counted as a holiday release). And while they're not AAA games, Fatal Frame and Devil's Third are on the way too.
As for this holiday, I think Nintendo still has a good chance of doing well. Even though it's already out, Mario Maker is almost guaranteed to be a big Christmas seller, almost certainly a much bigger seller than Star Fox was ever going to be. There's a possibility Splatoon will do well too, despite its age.
How many people who haven't bought a WiiU for MK8, Smash, 3D World, NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta, Super Mario Maker and Splatoon would then decide to buy it for Star Fox. Not many.
Xenoblade will be amazing. I'll be getting it day one. That said, I agree with many comments on here saying it won't push console sales. Rpg's appeal to a niche audience as do fighting games. I'm sure i'm part of a small group of people who bought a ps4 for Street Fighter V.
Um...Xenoblade?
Comparing Star Fox Zero to Xenoblade X is humorous on multiple levels. Xenoblade doesn't have that much marquee value compared to Star Fox. Then again, I doubt either game is going to be moving very many consoles.
What ingenious article. What will sell in this Christmas is Splatoon and Mario maker. Is the first Christmas to both the games.
And Xenoblade Chronicles X was eat many of Starfox public if was released in the same window. It was a wise decision delay.
And let remenber it too: Devils Third release window in Americas is 11 December.
Stop saying there are already so many critically acclaimed titles on Wii U to get...SINCE MOST OF US PLAYED THEM 1-2 YEARS AGO.
FFS.
@DarthNocturnal The Xbox One easily has the best holiday lineup of exclusives with Forza 6, Fable Legends, Halo 5, and timed exclusive Rise of the Tomb Raider. The Wii U has Xenoblade, Mario Tennis, and amiibo Festival. The PS4 has the Uncharted Collection.
Here's the sad thing: guess which system is going to utterly decimate the other two in system sales? The PS4, the system with by far the weakest holiday lineup. They have the SW Battlefront and CoD marketing deals.
The harsh truth: the Xbox One, like the Wii U, is completely irrelevant.
I don't understand why people believe Xenoblade Chronices X will be a triple A title. The first Xenoblade was a critically acclaimed game that sold ok-ish and only catered to a niche audience. (JRPG enthusiasts.) I wouldn't consider an IP that has had only 1 game in it's life time to automatically be this triple A release.
With that said, alot of you probably don't even have Xenoblade Chronicles, (Given how rare it is here in the States.) or if you have it, probably haven't even beaten the game. (Given how long it is.)
Before I leave the subject that is Xenoblade I have to ask this question to you all.
Why isn't Mario Tennis Ultra Smash not looked at as a triple a title? Think about it, Mario Tennis is WAY MORE well known then Xenoblade is. It's had more games than the Xenoblade IP has AND collectively (And some individually) has sold more than Xenoblade. So why isn't Mario Tennis looked at in the same light? It just doesn't make any sense.
Now, getting off of the Xenoblade topic, Star Fox Zero being delayed was expected by everyone and their mothers but it's still a big deal.
Now, I'm an avid Star Fox fanboy who has played every single Star Fox game (Yes, even the unreleased Star Fox 2.) and beaten nearly all of them. (Minus Adventures.) and judging from what little gameplay I saw in Star Fox Zero, I'd be lying if I wasn't happy with the delay.
But at the same time, it is a crippling decision on Nintendo's part. Because it really does mean that there is no triple 1rd party release. I still think Star fox Zero being this triple A release is a stretch but if I had to pick out of Mario Tennis, Xenoblade, and Star Fox, I'd pick Star Fox for the biggest release.
In conclusion I kinda would still release Star Fox Zero this year. They said it was pretty much done, they just wanted to polish the stupid gimmicks that comes with the game via gamepad. News flash Nintendo, the only time gamers want to use the gamepad is when they don't feel like using the TV or someone else is using it. Fact. I've seen it happen with people who own it. No one seems to care about the intimacy between a game and it's gamepad.
Ok, even though I said "Conclusion" I want to add a couple of more things along side a question. (Sorry...) I was reading this article and I agree with them saying "They'll push what software is already out." Yeah, I think that's honestly the better idea in their position. But how long is this going to go? Smash 4 is almost a year old, Mario Kart 8 is even older and no new content seems to be coming out any time soon, and Splatoon's a fad IMO.
It's just... Christ I don't know. "Let's continue advertising old games!' What...a great idea...
Oh, and Star Fox's delay being the nail in the Wii U's coffin? Are you serious? That nail was in a couple of years ago.
Oh and finally, I saw a Tweet here about something like "Oh, multiplats get bad ports but when Nintendo delays two games everyone loses their minds!"
Well first off, Nintendo HAS PROMISED to bring both of those highly anticipated games this holiday season and fail to. And what multiplats had bad ports this year? I'm honestly wondering. Do tell me.
OK That's what I wanted to say. Sorry to anyone who felt this comment was pretty unorganized... Sorry, I guess I'm lazy when it comes to editing what I say.
Star Fox Zero was never going to be Nintendo's big Christmas game. That role is filled by Super Mario Maker. Mario Maker is the game that Nintendo will market aggressively this Christmas and Mario Maker is the game that will entice people to pick up a system. That would have been true even if Star Fox Zero was still arriving this holiday. I am a big fan of Star Fox, but I have no delusions about it being a AAA franchise.
The coffin was nailed shut in 2013 and it's been damage limitation since.
StarFox as 'the big Xmas release' is a worse idea than just promoting MK8 and Mario Maker bundles.
@mike_intv Xenogears shipped/sold almost 1.2 million, way more than any subsequent Xeno release. That was the power of the classic Squaresoft pedigree...
Clickbait title - the Wii U's final nail in the coffin was placed back in 2011, when the 3DS was struggling. Them focusing their efforts on saving the 3DS killed the Wii U. It was the right decision though.
Ultimately, this delay is good for Star Fox. It wasn't going to sell systems, especially when Zelda wasn't going to either (anybody that was going to buy it for Zelda ALREADY BOUGHT IT).
Also, Star Fox is just as niche, if not more niche than Xenoblade. Xenoblade X won't move systems, but put a marketing campaign behind it and the game will sell well. Bloodborne is proof of that.
Besides, moving Wii U consoles at this point isn't what Nintendo should be trying to do. It's pointless.
Nintendo should be pushing and promoting Xenoblade this holiday season. Make the franchise more well known.
What Nintendo will do though is advertise the hell out of Animal Crossing amiibo Festival. Why? It has Animal Crossing in the title. I'd be willing to bet amiibo Festival will move systems in Japan, even if it's a small amount.
Don't agree with the article at all Star Fox moving to 2016 will have very little impact on the Wii U's sales. Idon't believe Starfox has ever been a system seller it was unlikely to start being on this christmas. It's sad to see it slip but it's not as dramatic as all that.
I think you guys overrated Starfox's mainstream appeal. With or without it, the Wii U lacked a big-sales title for these holidays.
Oh well. Xenoblade is going to be my title of choice this December, so I'm not really saddened by the delay.
@Metroplex360 Love Mario Kart 8. Still play it. I still play Mario Kart Wii as well.
But the good news is, that 2016 is getting more and more stacked with Nintendo games...
@Hamguar I'm right there with you: I really want to get it into _______ game! But I also work three jobs and want to actually see the people in my life, etc. I just got my Xbox One, and Forza 6 will occupy me for months on that system, just like Hyrule Warriors and Mario Kart 8 have been for the Wii U. I don't really need new games at the moment.
That said, I'll definitely get Yoshi's Woolly World, and I do want to try Rodea the Sky Soldier. SMT x FE has me excited, too, and Hyrule Warriors Legends I'll probably get in both NA and Japan versions.
Only so many hours in the day. Or, couple of hours each evening.
can you imagine a Star Fox Maker? where you place asteroids and enemy ships in a 3D environment and share with the world? then you could have 100 Fox Challenge where you have to get through 10 levels randomly created by others.. place buildings on a planet. recreate death star?
@Yorumi Same could be said for Xenoblade, minus the "lost its appeal" part.
There are many encouraging Nintendo fans on this post. Here is some reality to add to all of the fluff and sugar lauding Nintendo's efforts. I have owned every US console put out by Ninty and even was suckered into the N3DS XL after passing down my Ambassador 3DS to my son. I played Bravely Default on my N3DS until bored and now it collects dust. There have been zero N3DS games aside from Xenoblade Chronicles since its release to justify the purchase. We have fluffed the talk of the delay on Zelda and on Star Fox on here. The truth is we cannot keep making excuses. If it was not for my children playing Lego games on the Wii U, it also would be collecting dust as I play the platform the does continue to deliver, my PC. I am sorry but the truth is it will definitely be a wait and see attitude for me on NX. I doubt I am alone. Nintendo has rewarded their faithful fans with 3rd party brush off, lack of 1st party with albeit a laudable attempt to replace with Indies... not to mention huge game droughts on both consoles but more so on Wii U. RIP WiiU
@mushroomer The shame of it is that there are two perspectives on Star Fox right now: the rail shooter (where it doesn't matter that they keep revisiting the same story) and the non-rail shooter (which is thought of as almost not Star Fox). I loved the original on SNES and I loved Star Fox Adventures. I hated Assault (I was just never sure what to do), and Command was scratching for excuses to use a touch screen. It's kind of fragmented. I think they first need to reestablish what this series really is.
@PlywoodStick
According to VGCHartz, Xenogears sold about 1.5 million, and Xenosaga 1 sold about 1.75 million. Xenoblade sold just under 1 million, but was delayed, under-stocked, and heavily pirated.
@ricklongo Yeah, I think it was Zelda or nothing at this point for mainstream appeal.
That stinks StarFox is delayed but I'm not really worried. Just as long as the WiiU doesn't take a sudden dump and they're like "OKAY AND WE'RE DONE WITH IT NOW." or they shut off the inflow of eShop/virtual console temptations. There's plenty to play and buy still for ages.
Surely Andross is behind this...
I can't wait for the NX; but if it can't handle being a true next gen console then I'm buying a xbox and I'll look back to the wiiu as the brief time I came back to nintendo
pfft, there's Yoshi's Woolly World, XenoBlade, and plenty of other great games...that and Splatoon and Mario Maker will never get old, and should remain driving forces too. Why is everyone always so negative about Nintendo at every step??? I love my WiiU, more than any other console available, so I'll keep buying every game on it I wanna play.
@TrueWiiMaster Don't forget Gamestop's shady tactics of selling "used" copies for like $90+.
@Sakura The easy way to make Amiibo Festival sell extremely well is to make one of the amiibo exclusive to the game bundle, lets say Isabelle as she's extremely popular. The amiibo obsession people have will mean they won't be able to resist it and before you mention Mario Party 10, that amiibo was just a Mario variant which was easily available on its own outside NA.
Excellent points from @AyeHaley and @xtndedPlay. The more we start accepting this behaviour from Nintendo, the more we're going to be told to "please understand" with little to no improvement.
@rushiosan
neither is Star Fox.
Doesn't hurt trying out a lesser known IP, you may end up having more fun than 20+ year old IPs.
@Ryu_Niiyama Pretty much all of this. I'll have Splatoon, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade and Mario Maker to keep me busy for a loooooooooong time...
It's not like StarFox would've sold any significant amount of consoles this holiday season.
It's StarFox.
sighs As if Star Fox was the biggest game this year, I want X more than Zero anyways.
RIP Wii brand - you outstayed your welcome.
i couldnt bother reading the rest of the article after the lame afirmation that the wii u lacks a triple A release, as xenoblade x is actually much more triple A them star fox has showed so far to be.
and ive come here thinking to myself that nintendo life is losing any quality that might have had some day, just to confirm this perception...
@Yorumi Funny thing is, both Metroid and Star Fox had mainstream appeal. Star Fox easily had it up through SF64. Then came Assault and the franchise lost its mainstream appeal after that. Metroid had mainstream appeal even during the franchise's absence on the N64. It wasn't until Prime 3 came around did the franchise start to lose its mainstream appeal. That's not to say they can't regain their mainstream appeal though.
As for Xenoblade, while it might not have mainstream appeal at the moment, it can gain it over time. Look at Fire Emblem. That didn't have mainstream appeal at all until Awakening. Animal Crossing was somewhat niche, but it kept gaining appeal with every release. New Leaf has ridiculous legs and is one of the best selling 3DS games.
@rbmoura85 Neither of them are anywhere near AAA, probably B for both.
The Wii U is the first console that I regretted buying. I'm playing Wii games on mine.
"Ruining the Christmas of 10 million Wii U owners"?
Not this one
@Grumblevolcano i could see this argument being made, but xenoblade is gigantic and has some of the best visuals on wii u. So i believe it was a pretty big investment.
(I know I might sound a bit too positive at times for some people in this situation, but please bare with it ;^^).
While I think it is unfortunate that Star Fox Zero wouldn't be a part of the holiday line up, I do think like some people have probably mentioned already: It is better with a delayed game than a rushed game :+). (Note: I am not thinking about picking up Star Fox Zero anyway, so my opinion might not count for core Star Fox fans).
I think the Wii U are heading into its prime time of content or the prime time began with Mario Maker and will be followed up by Xenoblade Chronicles X this year. I mean the holiday lineup might not be something to be that excited about for some fans, but after Christmas I would say we have a lot of games to look forward too ^^.
Zelda U, Pokkén Tournament, SMTxFE, Star Fox Zero and probably many more games made in Nintendo's name I can't think of right now. Also remember we nearly know nothing about what we will get next year, as on E3 Nintendo usually have a 6-9 month policy witch means that Nintendo usually only show games that are coming out in the 6-9 months. (There are many interesting indie gams coming out next year).
Before I judge anything about the Wii U's future I will have to see a Nintendo Direct with new games and if there aren't any new cool games for the Wii U, then I can say that the Wii U is nearing it commercial end.
Still remember we fans will probably use the Wii U in the future now and then, so it will be many year before the Wii U is 100% dead .
@NintyMan Third party's being too stingy? So that explains why 3ds&Wii U stopped receiving Resident Evil games after Revelations. I'm sure poor sales had nothing to do with Capcom's decision.
@Superryanworld Didn't Revelations sell best on the 3DS? Or at least at first, as I think the PC version ended up selling more because of Steam sales.
@Grumblevolcano I agree! That's what I'd do, anyway. However, the game is a free download with any of the AC amiibo so it won't really have any sales figures of its own, which is going to make it very difficult to determine the game's commercial success. It's the amiibo only that matter with the game being, imo, a dubious freebie. I think they might be saving things for the NX. Even the devs have said they only made AF to allow the production of the amiibo figures. I can't help wondering why they never just stuck with HHD; I just can't see why they bothered with AF at all. I wish it well, but don't have much hope.
What's with all this haterade?
Even without Starfox Zero, The Wii-U still has a very strong holiday line up!
You guys hate it, (I also hate it) but Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival is going to make a killing. The kids are going to be crying for those toys and the collectors/scalpers will be buying them up also.
Mario Tennis is extremely underrated on these forums! I'm a huge fan of the series and cant wait to take a console version online.
Xenoblade Chronicles X is definitely what I'm looking for in a mature title.
Yoshi's Wooly World will be a solid platformer (But yes we should have got it over the summer...wtf?)
Dont disregard the indies as well! Soul Axiom and Typoman look excellent.
The Wii U had had a lot of final nails in its coffin, but it's still going. Nintendo has been doomed since 1889, but it's still doing fine. So the Wii U will be fine for a while yet.
Losing a Christmas release will obviously be bad for Nintendo, but it's always worthwhile to get a game right instead of it being bad. There's still great titles coming the Wii U, including Star Fox, Xenoblade and Zelda, so the final nail won't come until after these are released. This article is just click bait.
@Farts_Ahoy Let's not forget FAST Racing Neo! That game looks fantastic. I'll definitely be getting that. Honestly looking forward to it more than most of the AAA multiplats this year, with the exception of Battlefront and Fallout of course.
@IceClimbers You're right. 3ds was on top until the pc version came along. I'm guessing it wasn't enough though.
@Folkloner lol don't even pretend Fatal Frame is a AAA game. No game that has such terrible projections that it can't even be published at retail in America is a AAA game.
This is a pretty optimistic article tho
The WiiU its a great console i love it, but its been dead for a long time, it delayed its dead with Splatoon and Mario Maker now but it was just that, a delay.
I'm glad to see they are holding off to touch the game up. Triple a seems to mean big budgets and big patches nowadays, not necessarily great games.
As many have said, what about xenoblade? Nice clickbait I guess.
To make Mario tennis the big release they would have to rename it amiibo tennis and give it full amiibo support, kicking off a line of amiibo themed sports games where you play as the character you want, and giving people an alternative to EA sports games. That would have made Mario tennis a great title to play up during the holidays.
@Lorddofthecastle It's fair to say you can't take anyone serious that says that Mario Maker is a $60 flash game or completely discounts games like Splatoon that people are still pumping dozens of hours into every week. Maybe you should be lamenting all of gaming if this is the case.
Why does the article compare the current Wii U sales numbers with the lifetime sales of the Wii? Wii sold 67M after 3 years.
@PlywoodStick According to Wikipedia, the lifetime Dreamcast numbers are 10.6M? What numbers do you have? The Wii U figures in May was 10.5M. And the Japan Wii U sales alone are much more than 100,000 since then.
The delay of zelda was the final nail, headstone and flowers.... All that came after was just natural evolution.
@Peach64 Xenoblade Chronicles would have sold alot more copies if it wasn't a limited retailer exclusive in North America...
Xenoblade Chronicles X is all the Wii U needs this Christmas, so where's the fire?
well if tennis, xenoblade, starfox and zelda are pretty much the last 1st party games I feel ok with collecting every single wii u title, not too many tbh, Im already 29 in.
I think they may be delaying some games to create cross platform releases with NX, to have a ready made launch line up to sell their new hardware. The did this with Twilight Princess, and with the lack of info on the new Zelda, seems like a similar situation.
I played the Starfox demo for Wii U and it did seem pretty basic though, so Im not suprised it needs more work, if the demo can be considered representative of the final game.
@Damo: I don't get why you're article is so pessimistic/negative and basically says the Wii U is dead, just because Star Fox is delayed for two months? That's nothing! Many games were and are delayed for much longer timespans (take GTA V, for example), so I don't see why a few month would change anything. The Wii U is very much alive with releases coming steadily. You shouldn't just focus on Nintendo games, the indies have some pretty great games to offer, too. I can't wait for Fast Racing neo, for example.
Also, what's the point in having dozens of games to choose from, when either most of them aren't good/new or they are so much that you can't choose between them (because money isn't an infinite resource)? Then I'd prefer to have less games, but everyone of them is a hit.
I don't know about you guys, but I have plenty games to play on my Wii U. Splatoon still motivates me like on day one, Mario Maker is absolutely addictive. I haven't even nearly finished Yoshi's Wooly World, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Runbow, Rayman, Ducktales, Zombie U or Darksiders II. I'm also not quite finished with Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Trine 2, New Super Mario Bros. Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3, and many other games. And I also haven't really tackled the task of playing my favourite VC games through again.
No, really, I have enough to play on my Wii U for several years to come. I don't see why we would ne the NX in 2016.
It's a minor bummer because I was extremely looking forward to play Starfox. But well, let them polish the game, I'd rather play that than an unfinished game.
@Grumblevolcano Actually Xenoblade Chronicles X is AAA, that term is misused alot as most people believe that AAA is a measurement for popularity when in actuality it's a term referring to the game's development costs.
"Star Fox Zero's Delay Could Be The Final Nail In The Wii U's Coffin"
Hyperbole is GO!!!!
Perspective: Despite Star Fox's delay, the Wii U's holiday lineup is still arguably better than the 3DS's holiday lineup (well, except in Japan since they have Monster Hunter X and Monster Hunter Stories).
You know, the word "final" is really starting to lose its meaning.
final- pertaining to or coming at the end; last in place, order, or time
If Nintendo announces that The Legend of Zelda has been moved to the NX, I'm sure that'll also be the "final" nail in the Wii U's coffin.
Must be a real slow news day to be posting this click bait I guess since Star Fox was delayed noone is going to want to play Mario Maker, Yoshi Wooly World, or Xenoblade during the holidays. Thats too bad, they looked like great AAA games.
Also, as a PS4 owner, what are all of these amazing games that the people will get bombarded with over the holidays that you mentioned? The only games I want for my PS4 through the end of the year are the Nathan Drake Collection and Star Wars Battlefront. I'm not exactly being overwhelmed here.
"Ruining the Christmases of 10 million Wii U owners"
A bit dramatic and overstated don't you think?
I never thought of it like this, but I'm not mad at Nintendo for delaying Star Fox.
Seriously, outside of some exceptions, Nintendo seems to be the only company making AAA games that does not need week 1 patching.
Isn't it marvellous to have another article where all of the regular doom brigade can pat each other on the back on how Nintendo have killed the Wii U.
What the F#%K is wrong with you people? Don't you get tired of writing this S#%T? Don't bother responding to these hyperthetical questions.
Maybe the Wii is selling so poorly is down to these negative articles and comments on Nintendo Fan Sites.
Don't worry, the NX is bound to be totally innovative after the grand minds at Nintendo patent a Wii U mini and a full touch based controller. I'm so excited to see if actual console's massive innovations and spec will have 3rd party developers drooling for it! (Please no, Nintendo. Please.)
I don't know what's worse; the delay, this article or this comment section...
This just gives me more time to beat all those Steam games I have with 1 hour play times. Dark Souls 2 I'm looking at you...
@KingofSaiyans I dunno about you, but I might spend more time playing Indie games, of which there are SO MANY coming out on WiiU and already out. Between that and the already-announced Nintendo releases, I have way more games than I have time to play on WiiU and will continue to prefer that to play things anyway.
@Ootfan98 I think you mean "hypothetical"
I don't think Star Fox is that big of a crowd puller to be honest. Sure, us fanboys will love and buy it, but I honestly doubt it has real "mass appeal".
More like the final nail in Nintendo's coffin. I'm sorry, I supported them as long as I could, but they continuously make the dumbest possible choices. I am to the point where I could not possibly care less about the NX, and can't even get excited about games because... well, they will get delayed, until getting delayed again. Also, I'm still mad about missing the last Splatfest because I had to order a gamepad charger (more stupidity from Nintendo).
From what I could tell, StarFox Zero just looked like a spiced up version of an 18 year old game, as though Nintendo is hoping nostalgia will be enough. Maybe my attitude will change when Zelda is finally released in 2023, but until then, I have no patience left for this company.
@Captain_Toad @rjejr
TIME TO DRINK BOYS!
I would have hoped that a Nintendo-focused news site would stay away from "Nintendo is DOOMED" punditry, but guess that's a futile dream.
Focusing on Christmas releases is an industry concept that needs to die anyway.
@KingofSaiyans Xenoblade's biggest audience is in the west actually. The first game sold far better in NA than in Japan despite all of the things that went wrong and should have crippled the game's sales in NA.
@Zebetite Damien is probably just a really big Star Fox fan and this new hit him hard
@Joker13z people know the Mario and Animal Crossing names, therefore the general population will flock to those games much more than the others. When you ask them, "what about xenoblade?" unfortunately all they'll say is "xenowhat?".
@spacejump thank you Spellmaster for the heducation
Looks like we are getting ZERO after all!
I can understand some of the hype about xenoblade x but without a proper online with chat mode! This will fail to reach the expected success level billed.
Nintendo are in a very bad situation and it appears it's been like this since E3.
Animal crossing festival looks like a total joy. And if mario party x was anything to go by this will sell very poorly in the west!
Mario tennis for God sake! Who buys these crap sports games!
Xenoblade looks great but will have limited sales as not everyone's cup of tea.
Project zero will have no hard copy presence so expect sales to be low.
Devils third has already proved to be a huge flop!
So this year the wii u will struggle to make a single profitable release!
@Damo Everyone said that about Splatoon.
Oh please, the holiday lineup was terrible to begin with. There wasn't a single good announcement made at E3, not one, everything that's even remotely a good idea was already announced last year. Star Fox being delayed just makes an already terrible Christmas even worse. Wii U is going to pull hilariously bad numbers this Christmas, there's no doubt in my mind.
@Fandabidozi Well, I do have a 3D HD TV, but I've never tried that 2D to 3D conversion. I wonder how can the TV know how to add depth, what is closer and further, you know. Anyway, I'm going to find out.
BRB, jumping on that PS4 train.
@Pervy_Sage
That's your personal choice but there's no point denying PS4 (and XB1 and PC for that matter) have a lot of big games coming out this year that simply aren't on Wii U
@Zebetite
It's a Nintendo news site. A big Nintendo game has been delayed. It's a discussion point. If you want somewhere that pretends everything is rosy for Nintendo log on to the Corporate Site.
@Faruko
"The WiiU its a great console i love it, but its been dead for a long time"
Pretty much sums it up. The only reason the article is superfluous is because the nails are already in, not because anything it says is wrong.
@BinaryFragger
"I love my Wii U but I don't have my head stuck in the sand"
Same here but unfortunately the last bit of your sentence seems to be considered compulsory for a lot of Nintendo fans.
Maybe they will surprise us with Metroid and Zelda 😂 and I don't think 100 million wii owners would buy AAA Nintendo games 10 million would cos there the real Nintendo fans
@EXP Why does everyone say that about every game nintendo makes thats not 3D Mario, Mario Kart, or Smash.
People who say Star Fox Zero isn't as worthy as Xenoblade Chronicles X. facepalm Yes, Xenoblade Chronicles X is hyped and all, but it isn't Star Fox.
@electrolite77 Not the cheeriest fellow, are you?
And yes, this website does pretend everything is rosy, frequently. The number of positive reviews for titles most people wouldn't give a second glance to is a pretty good indicator of that, among other things.
I don't think Zelda U will be a twilight princess scenario because the Gamecube also had Wind Waker. The Wii didn't have an exclusive zelda yet so they wouldn't port Skyward Sword to the next-generation console. Plus they wanted to show of how much of a fit a wii remote is for swordfighting, and by the looks of it the Nx will have another gamepad.
@Lord
Actually I did some research and it seems like Xenoblade Chronicles X will have type chat and not voice chat. You can hook up a USB keyboard and type on it or use the Gamepad :+).
(Better than nothing in my view .).
I love the Wii U and I'm sad that Star Fox Zero pushed, but I can handle it. Xenoblade X is going to take up so much of my time anyway. My backlog is crazy huge, so I don't mind getting some extra time to clear it. Now if I could just stop playing Splatoon ... yeah, no, that won't happen.
You guys, did you not see what the game looked like at E3? It needed to be delayed :/
@electrolite77 Still, it's a bit odd when the people on Nintendo fan sites (MyNintendoNews, Nintendo Life, Wii U Daily) are the ones shouting doom and gloom over this, while the people on general gaming sites like IGN, Destructoid, etc are actually rather supportive of the delay. The people shouting doom and gloom on those sites don't own the Wii U.
@Volcanox I just got an Xbox One, with the PS4 on my agenda some time next year. Loving it so far. Switching between Forza 6 on that and Hyrule Warriors on the Wii U. It's easy to see which is more advanced (by a lot), but the Wii U is definitely easier to approach and get into.
Sad, sad, sad, but the line up does look pretty weak. I'm not sure Starfox would've save Xmas anyways, its not a big brand with the general public.
The Xbone and PS4 have much stronger lineups for sure, with FIFA, COD, Star Wars Battlefront and many others out. The batman game that just came out is awesome and so is Forza 6, by far the best racing simulator I've ever played.
That being said, I enjoy my Wii U immensely and I look forward to playing games I haven't yet tried out. Mario Maker is a revolution waiting to happen, in terms of doing this to other games...Zelda, Metroid, and perhaps some licensing from Konami for Castlevania, could give us other successful maker type games.
@IceClimbers That's true, though there are 3DS games coming that I'm looking forward to: Project X Zone 2, Bravely Second, Stella Glow, Fire Emblem Fates, Hyrule Warriors Legends—and others are excited about Federation Force and Tri-Force Heroes to name a couple. It just seems like there's more promise left in the 3DS than the Wii U. But for the holidays? Yeah, they aren't there this year on either system, really.
@TrueWiiMaster Xenosaga Episode 3 only sold between 300k-400k though, which prompted Namco-Bandai to sell most of their Monolith Soft shares. Nintendo picked them up, which is how we have Xenoblade today.
Nintendo should give us some reassurance and grab Hideo Kojima. Give him a studio, and tell him to make anything via an exclusive Nintendo contract. Especially now that the rumor of Konami tanking their console game production is in the news again.
Xenoblade!
As much as I love Star Fox (and I really do)
Xenoblade!
As much as I love Platinum games (I think W101 is criminally underrated)
Xenoblade!
The truth is I would have played Star Fox until Xenoblade released and then I wouldn't have touched it again.
Xenoblade!
I actually might play more Star Fox this way because now I won't start it until I'm finished with Xenoblade consuming my life.
I hope I made it clear that I'll love Star Fox, but that my love for Star Fox just can't even compare with my love for Xenoblade (that is as long as it's at least close to as good as the original)
Xenoblade should be great, but I am sad because it has no Melia.
They should have just called it something completely different since it has nothing to do with the original. The same thing happened with Red Steel and Red Steel 2. They are just trying to market it based on name recognition. This new game would stand alone just fine without the similar title.
The Wii U isn't doomed... we still have Xenoblade!
They might be losing a lot of sales during the Holidays, but that doesn't automatically make the Wii U doomed. And who knows, when Star Fox Zero eventually comes out, it still might not sell too well. Saying a console is doomed based on one game isn't too fair, in my opinion.
A little bit overly dramatic don't you think?
the lack of "financial Success" for the Wii U has been there for a long time now, so no, SF0 delay isn't going to hurt the Wii U's sales, besides, I never expected it to come out this year, and highly doubted it after its E3 showing, sure I got minor hyped for it, but not enough to buy it day 1.
I was underwhelmed when I heard the sales for Mario Maker, a game that I did buy day 1, and love to bits, even tho I never wanted it when it was announced, so If Mario Maker can't pull in the numbers, there's no way Star Fox can. There are a few good games to look forward to this Holiday, and I'm fine with that.
I have 5-10hours of game time each week, that's it, so my playtime is limited, so I don't mind there being a lull, and that's what the eshop (or other consoles) are for, great games to be found that won't break the bank. I'll get more excited when Nintendo shows me what to get excited about (they are generally right, except maybe this amiibo party thing...)
@jariw https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U
Has Wii U numbers at 10.01 million shipped (meaning not necessarily all sold) as of June 30, 2015. This data was provided courtesy of Nintendo themselves.
According to the NPD, in the USA, the console has still only been selling by the 10s of thousands every month since June, not by the 100s of thousands. I doubt Europe is cracking those numbers by much, if at all, and Japan has not been selling up to 300k units every month since June, only up to 100k, in part due to Splatoon and now Mario Maker. Those numbers will probably be shown to have gone down at the end of September, since the Japanese charts tend to fluctuate very quickly. Even with Splatoon, which has around 1.6 million worldwide in sales by now, it was mostly bought by people who already had a Wii U.
If the Wii U eventually breaks 10.6 million units sold (not just shipped), it will either do so this holiday season with Mario Maker and Splatoon deals, or the next one if the next Zelda is released on the Wii U... Though it's better off being released as an NX launch title at this point. If those don't work, then the Dreamcast will probably end up with higher lifetime console sales, as crazy as that sounds.
As for the Wii numbers, any way you slice it, Wii U is an abysmal commercial failure compared to the Wii.
Meh. Just makes the decision to get Xenoblade Chronicles X easier.
i believe Nintendo saw how well Super Mario Maker were doing, and decided to go for it as the Christmas Game of 2015, while making Star Fox Zero a better game. If SMM wasn't doing good, they would've released a mediocre SFZ in time for Christmas.
@Vineleaf Yeah next year is going to be pretty good for the 3DS. In NA there's Final Fantasy Explorers, Hyrule Warriors Legends, Mario & Luigi Paper Jam, Metroid Prime Federation Force, Fire Emblem Fates, Bravely Second, Mega Man Legacy Collection, Project X Zone 2, Sonic Boom Fire & Ice, and Pokemon Z or whatever the next main series game will be called.
Then there's still pending localisations for games like Rhythm Heaven, Picross 3D 2, and possibly some Dragon Quest (please?).
This holiday season though isn't that great. Some decent support titles and a somewhat heavy-hitter in Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon. Of course, there's also the wildcard in Yokai Watch.
Even though the wii u has been declared dead, I still enjoy playing with it daily . My pc gets used a couple hours a week to play Starcraft 2. My iPhone is used almost daily for hearthstone. My wii u and 3ds take up the rest of my gaming time. That's really about 2 hours a day. There is no drought in games unless all you have is 1 way to play them. If all i has was a ps4...all I would have played on it by now is bloodborne and witcher 3. All I want is dark souls 3 when it comes down to it. But there is a stack of Nintendo and nindie releases coming over the next 6 months til dark souls that I'm not complaining. My wife is because of all the wasted money.
Eh, whatever, i mean i dont see the Wii U selling many more systems, but as a wii u owner, I dont feel let down. I mean... yeah, big deal. All I care about is having more games than i can play (for long dry seasons without releases i am into) and nintendo making money so that they will continue on.
@Damo Xenoblade is far more likely to shift consoles than anything else left this year. It's the only game big enough to warrant it. Anyone who cares about smaller Nintendo games already bought the console a way back.
Frankly, I'm glad it got delayed.
First, it wouldn't have changed anything for the WiiU in terms of it's commercial success. StarFox is not a huge seller, at least not huge enough to make a real dent in the WiiU's bad fortune.
Second, the game was obviously rushed. It looked rather mediocre to say the least, as far as visuals go, and the gameplay itself looked more like a product of a prototype stage (which it probably more or less was) than a final consumer AAA product. So, it did not look to be up to the standards of either Platinum Games or Nintendo, and generally speaking, I know PG can deliver a smokin' StarFox game, given enough ressources ... meaning first and foremost time. It would be a shame if they underdelivered just to meet the christmas deadline. StarFox fans waited long enough and deserve the best possible game!
Third, well, this may sound harsh, but for anyone who sports any other platform besides the WiiU, any WiiU game is just icing on the cake this holiday season. X1/PS4 and PC are still pretty darn packed with releases, including some of the biggest hitters in the industry, so it's nice to have a couple of games to look forward to in "Q1 2016".
In the end, I'd rather have a great StarFox game, than the WiiU selling a couple thousand more units ... I have zero doubt that about a year from now, the NX will be about to be launched and the WiiU will be all but forgotten - except for the small number of brilliant games it produced. Hopefully, StarFox will be counted among those then!
Wii U is a dead console walking and Star Fox wouldn't have done much. There is a very real chance that Zero could be Fox McClouds last non-SSB game, so the title has to be up to snuff. And as stated, Nintendo is clearly shifting primary resources to NX to at least try to ensure a successful launch. The relevency and interest of Nintendo's hardware future depends on NX.
I'm kinda glad it's been delayed. I'm getting a PS4 this holiday and there are a lot games to play. Star Fox will be welcomed after I'm done catching up.
So a 3-4 month delay for StarFox Zero is going to kill the Wii U?
You people have been crying about the death of the Wii U for too long. Mario Maker and Splatoon have proven to be big enough to overshadow any other first-party IP for the next couple of months. There have been plenty of new Wii U adopters because of SMM alone.
Stop whining. This was nothing more than clickbait.
Figuratively, Fallout 4 is delayed until early 2017 when it gets patched to be playable.
@IceClimbers LOL! ....I'm so sad that is true....still that pip boy edition is keeping me from waiting...sigh..
This guy put WAYYYYYY too much stock on Star Fox. Did you actually think it was going to be a holiday AAA off the charts selling blockbuster? It will be an excellent game for sure, but the way this article put it you'd think Star Fox was the next Smash Bros or 3D Mario game.
@IceClimbers
Not if you are a member of the Master Race, where modders fix any bugs within the first few days, and release mods to not make the game itself so vanilla.
Who cares? Star Fox fans should be glad they're getting a better game, and it was never going to save the Wii U anyways.
Xenoblade Chronicles X, FAST Racing Neo, Project Zero: Maiden of Black Water ... idk about you, BUT MY WII U ROCKS !!!
Miyamoto and Nintendo know exactly why they delay Star Fox. We are whining around right now, but let's be honest: history has showed us again and again that it's worth the "little more time". It's why many on this page do love Nintendo - the quality in games that can't be found anywhere else.
I think nothing can bring the Wii U out of its current situation. Anyway, I think its delay confirms that Nintendo has a 2016 Wii U release schedule worth caring about.
Honestly I have such a large backlog of games that a little delay won't hurt. I don't think anyone still on the fence about Wii U will be won over by a Christmas Star Fox release.
Crap like this is why I always use adblock on your site.
@kensredemption dude, really? What ever about starfox, the WiiU is in the toilet, can't you see that? Sure it has the best games out of the big 3, but, it's not selling. It's a fail, since Jan 2013, sadly.
Ps: I have so many amazing WiiU games it's stupid but the rest of the planet don't, what does that say? To me it says the worst selling system from Nintendo.
I will wait as long as it takes for an awesome new Star Fox game... this feels more like a Spring/Summer game to me anyway.
Make it great Miyamoto!
I'm not sure it would be the final nail. The Wii U isn't doing really well anyway and I doubt the release ( or the delay for that matter ) would have much impact on it saleswise. So i'm glad that it gets some polish time. I can't say I was really looking forward to it from the things that I did see from released footage.
I was looking forward to celebrating the birth of Jesus, but nope, now Christmas is ruined.
@3MonthBeef Yes, the Wii U is doing terrible compared to PS4. Just bad compared to the Xbox One. It is, however, doing fantastic compared to the much smaller obscure game consoles. The Wii U isn't failing. Yes, it lost profit during its first year, but slowly but surely, its making profit now. The next year will be filled with amazing games that have been delayed for years so they may become masterpieces.
@helbertpina Too true! Its something that will always separate them from publishers like EA or Activision, with their consistent releasing of unfinished products over the years. Nintendo knows how its done!
Well in all of 2015,I'll have bought Splatoon and Xenoblade on Wii U. That is beyond pathetic from the company that can't even release more N64 and add GC games to the VC. Thats the least they could do
great article, I for one am glad Star Fox got delayed, it looked horrible and needs online multiplayer
as for Nintendos 2015 holiday lineup, well its a joke you could argue Xenoblade will be good but that game couldn't be more niche and won't help them in sales at all, Mario tennis would push more Wii U 's then Xenoblade
Is Nintendo trying anymore? They're clearly just buying more time until the launch of NX. I seriously hope that NX releases November 2016.
We had a pretty solid year anyway. Splatoon, Mario Maker, and Rainbow Curse already, and Fatal Frame and Wooly World are coming out next month, with Xenoblade X after that. That seems like enough to keep the system afloat for a while.
I mean...what a strange way to gain some clicks with this article. Wii U wasn't going to fly off shelves with Star Fox, I'm pretty sure. We're also just off the heels of Super Mario Maker coming out, it used to be that kids would find out about something awesome like that and add it to their Christmas list so their parents could get it, even months later. SMM is far more likely to make the Wii U sell than Star Fox Zero releasing on time, IMO. Nintendo would be much better off continuing to advertise Super Mario Maker for the next few months.
@Vash_Visionz, it seems you made my point pretty much and I totally agree, Star Fox isn't a system seller. SMM is, though, and Nintendo has that already out so they need to advertise it until everyone is desperately trying to get their kids to be quiet by buying it and a Wii U for Christmas for them.
@kensredemption That's just your opinion chief. I wouldn't take your word of mouth for fact anymore than i would Michael Patcher's.
Regardless of the 'final nail' for Wii U mantra from this click bait article you only have to look at the reception and overall quality of Star Fox U.
It was nothing short of abysmal in demonstrations from gameplay to graphics - is it any wonder it has been postponed?
I don't think Nintendo gamers could stomach another Star Fox Assault or Metroid Other M style debacle and self destruct of their franchises.
@Megas I invested quite a bit into my Wii U console. An early demise would certainly not garner much faith among Wii U owners.
Looks like this and Zelda will be NX launch games.
@DiscoGentleman Ayup.
@Greenalink Pray to God that this game doesn't get delayed either, because if it does, Bye Bye WiiU.
Xenoblade Chronicles X, Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, The Devil's Third (I haven't found it yet over here) and Yoshi's Wooly World are being released this year, so the system does have some potential to shine into the holiday season...at least with having some new games to show for it, even if they aren't the best that will get attention. The only thing that matters to most consumers, is what is out for the system. If the Wii U is shown, with a bunch of good games that people know, next to it, it could sell. I still think that they're pushing away from it (nintendo that is), but it could still sell. If any of these other games that I mentioned get delayed (Xenoblade Chronicles X or even Mario Tennis) then yes, they're probably waiting for the NX. I actually think that's what most of the games are going to be coming out for, but how will that make fans happy??? I know I'd be disappointed if they shipped out another console (which would be announced at the beginning of the year, but not be released until the end of 2016), have to fork over more money but wait for months and months, just to play the games that were announced this year by Nintendo, for Wii U...yup, that would make me incredibly mad, but with nintendo taking away certain features of the Wii U (TVI and even the Animal crossing little game), it's safe to say that they're getting ready for the NX's launch...let's just hope they don't screw it up and make the fans that bought the Wii U even more unhappy.
Other consoles arent any better. And Nintendo is known for last minute announcments.
We still have roughly 3 months to go. There is always room for some digital suprises too.
Star Fox was never going to support Nintendo during the holidays. This is only a big title to Nintendo faithfuls. It certainly doesn't have the clout of a Mario, Mario Kart, or even Legend of Zelda title.
No offence, but I don't think the Wii U needs another nail in the coffin. It's virtually dead as is, and it's unlikely that Star Fox Zero would have done much for it anyway.
I think if Nintendo is smart they'll likely do a fairly massive price cut on the wii u to make up for no big releases. Think a 199 wiiu with super mario maker and super mario world 3d on black friday.
Because when they announced the NX, they are not going to have any demand for their stock of wii u's. I guess it depends on how large the inventory of unsold wii u's is, and how elastic demand. My guess is getting into the 199 range is key to get parents to do impulse buys.
I agree, it is the final nail in the coffin. Or it's already dead. The Wii U has no games the only game it has is Nintendo games and some indie games. The main games that were suppose to come out in 2015 is delayed. Zelda and now Starfox. If Nintendo want's to stay on top. Then they need to do things right for the Nintendo NX but seeing all those patents makes it seems that they going once they are going a step backwards instead of going forward.
What I think Nintendo really should have done, and it puzzles me that they haven't, is make a Skylanders type of game that uses all of the amiibos. Seriously, if they made a game like that and had it ready for Xmas, they would be laughing. People love Smash Bros. because it has all of Nintendo's most loved characters in one game. Imagine a Skylanders type adventure with all of those character together. It would sell like hotcakes (never tried them but they must be good), and boost amiibo sales as well.
@ChessboardMan your nitpicking, you had a bad experience with evolve and AC: Unity so your throwing the whole AAA lot under the bus? What about all the other dozens of AAA titles that were very excellent, Witcher 3, Dragon Age, Bloodborne, Batman: Arkham Knight, MGS V, Infamous, Until Dawn and the many other AAA that didint suck?
No potential disappointments anymore. Only Xenoblade!
Sorry star fox, that was uncalled for
This is why I harp on and on about Nintendo needing to do whatever it takes to get better third-party support on their home consoles. Third-Party games help plug holes when a major first-party title gets delayed.
Now, Nintendo is going to be banking on Mario Maker, Mario Tennis, Yoshi's Wooly World, and Splatoon to get them through the holidays.
Sony also won't have an AAA first-party title this holiday season. The key difference is that they will have Call of Duty with first rights to DLC to fall back on, as well as a new Assassin's Creed, Destiny: The Taken King Fallout 4, along with some first party titles like an Uncharted collection.
People can pretend that third-parties don't matter, that somehow Nintendo is superior because it gets avoids all the "interactive movies" but Sony has a backup plan.
Nintendo to be blunt has nothing on the Wii U. It will be the 3DS that carries them through the holidays.
This is why third-party support matters. Sony can use that to plug holes that Uncharted 4's delay caused.
One thing is for sure, if Microsoft can't take advantage of having both third-party and being the only system this holiday to have an AAA title in Halo 5 to close the gap with the PS4, then I don't know what to say.
Microsoft could not have hoped for much more short of every PS4 in the world bricking and Sony having to recall stock.
@mjc0961 Dragon Quest Heroes, Tales Of Zestiria, Just Cause 3, Star Wars Battlefront, Fallout 4 are just some of the games off the top of my head coming to PS4 this holiday season. Not all exclusives sure, but a damn fine line up if you ask me.
"Star Fox Zero's Delay Could Be The Final Nail In The Wii U's Coffin"
You've heard the complaints at E3, rushing the game out for the holiday season is something countless other companies have done in the past(cough Sonic Xtreme cough), so having SF come out for the holiday would probably not have done the Wii U much good either...
@CM30 Especially if it was rushed for the holidays...
well Wii U is already dead Star fox would have made no difference
@KillScottKill It's nice that Nintendo has fans like you who just sit at their keyboard and talk out their rear end doing their market research for them.
on the bright side, they'll be $100 before next holiday season (if the NX indeed drops next fall)so it'll be easy to enjoy some of the steller titles that are out now for less
Poor Rodea. Never gets a look in.
I have Xenoblade X and Yoshi's Wooly World to look forward to. But I have backlogs. And I have still yet to buy Pikmin 3, Mario Kart and Smash Bros Wii U, so I have plenty of Wii U games to crack open for a while. Xenoblade X will likely sponge up twice the amount of playtime than all of those other ones combined, too. That's my big game of the year right there. Can't. Freaking. Wait.
This article and many the posts within are incredibly cancerous and an overreaction. Many of you either need to move on from Nintendo cause it's clear to me and many others your so finicky when it comes to whatever Nintendo does or stop playing video games in general. Like holy crap people, the overreaction is beyond asinine and sad indeed. I feel REALLY sorry for many of you who have such a negative viewpoint on everything Nintendo does. I pity you, many you with such thinking. This site and many of the "fans within are beyond hope at this point. If Nintendo and the Wii U dies, it'll be crap articles like this. Disgusting click-bait article.
@Caryslan I'd be shocked if Microsoft managed to come even close to closing the gap. I fully expect the PS4 to decimate the XB1 in sales this holiday season. Sony has the Battlefront and CoD marketing deals. Halo doesn't stand a chance.
I think Phil Spencer is going to focus the Xbox One more and more on first party. They're lucky they don't become Nintendo 2.0 - all 1st party, very little 3rd party.
@Syrek You did take the time to post a rebuttal towards negative comments on a dedicated gaming site. I'd say you care as much as the haters. Get off the high horse buddy.
@IceClimbers Agreed. Halo doesn't pull the weight it once did.
"Star Fox Zero's Delay Could Be The Final Nail In The Wii U's Coffin"
The nail in the coffin already has been put when they mentioned NX. Its as simple as that. By the way, there is still one AAA title this year called Xenoblade X (and you Americans still have Yoshi's woolly world to look forward to).
The author seems to forget Yoshi Wolly World is coming holiday 2015 in north America...
@Syrek No, the Wii U will fail because of serious blunders Nintendo made when they launched the system.
What do you want? Everybody to sugar coat it and act like Nintendo is doing well with no problems at all? I love Nintendo, and I think Nintendo still holds a special place in the gaming world.
But let's not mince words, Nintendo is in a very difficult time right now. Their latest home console has barely sold 10 million units, down from the 100 million the Wii sold, they just got a new president after their previous one died unexpectedly, handhelds which have always been their strongest product line is losing ground to mobile devices, and they have lost almost all major third-party support on the Wii U in a time where third-parties rush to put their games on every platform that they can.
My point is this, label me a hater if you want. If you want to live in a happy fantasy world where Nintendo is doing wonderful and there is no trouble, I can't stop you.
But everything I just said are cold, hard facts. Its like if people ignored Blue Bell's issues with their ice cream, and pretended that they did nothing wrong or ignore the problems that Listeria in their ice cream caused.
No, Nintendo products aren't killing people, but they are losing ground with Sony and Microsoft. In the span of a generation, they had a massive drop in hardware sold.
I'm a huge Sega fanboy, I loved their systems and games back in the day. But I will be more then willing to discuss the issues that led to Sega's downfall. As much as I love Sega even to this day, I can't pretend that it was all sunshine and rainbows.
There is a reason why Sega is a hollow shell of itself today that can barely make a half-way decent Sonic game.
And that is why I judge Nintendo so harsly. I'm not doing it to be mean spirited, I do it because I grew up during the NES and SNES. I remember Nintendo's glory days where they were the undisputed king of gaming.
I love my Wii U, I think it has the best lineup of first-party games since the SNES. Which makes it even more frustrating to see third-parties want nothing to do with the platform and Nintendo not doing much to entice them back.
I judge Nintendo because I have seen them do better. I'm not a hater, I play my 2DS and Wii U all the time. But I have every right to openly question Nintendo as to why the 3DS has not gotten a new virtual console game in over six months, or why I can't share content between systems like I can on the Playstation.
That is why I sometimes come off as harsh with Nintendo. I don't want to see another Sega. If they fall or decide home consoles aren't worth the time anymore in favor of mobile gaming, then we have lost the last and best chance that Japanese game development has to stay relevant.
2015 has been a bad year for the Wii U and even the 3DS but more for the Wii U.
Hardly any main series franchise titles no new main series Zelda, Pokemon, Mario, FZero, Metroid, Paper Mario etc.
My honest opinion is that Nintendo is slowly not caring for the Wii U as much anymore and are busy developing NX titles so Wii U games get slightly delayed because they are starting to care more on NX title development now.
2016 will probably announce the NX and maybe Zelda U will be the last big Wii U game and it will be multiplatform with the NX like Twilight Princess.
Honestly as a long time Nintendo fan I'm a disappointed in Nintendo's treatment of the Wii U and how they refused to give us main series games instead we get side spinoff games and experimental games that we didn't really want.
Star Fox isn't the triple A blockbuster system seller franchise you think it is. The thing Star Fox is most remembered for nowadays (in the public eye) is Star Fox 64 and Smash Bros.
Lesson Learned: Only let Tom Whitehead write Talking Point
Why do terms like "AAA" and "blockbuster" make me cringe...
If it's delayed it's for the good of the game. This article is clickbait. It worked, look how many comments there are. I'm not worried, I still haven't taken the cellophane off Bayonetta 2 yet, I think I'll be fine.
Nintendo's big holiday push will be its new OS and a slate of mobile games, Starfox doesn't really matter. They'll need something to fill the Q1 gap anyway.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR my sentiments exactly. It's a form of entertainment you can take or leave. I think a lot of people read more into this than they really need to.
@PlywoodStick lol. You do know that the Dreamcast only sold 9,3 million according to sega Sammy, right? That number people usually uses of more than 10 million is just a hoax. Wiiu outsold it since last year.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Well said. Sounds like something JaxonH would say.
@IceClimbers But Xbox One does have a lot of third party games, it's just that Sony is buying up all the timed exclusive deals. For example Black Ops 3 will still have all the DLC, it'll just come a month later than PS4 meanwhile Wii U and NX get no CoD at all. Yes, PS4 will be largely dominant for the rest of the current generation but Xbox One will always be a solid second while Wii U and NX will be in last. The latter happening for NX solely because of how badly Nintendo has treated Wii U fans.
@DiSTANToblivion
Wii U took a lot longer than XB1 to reach them sales and is selling much more slowly. Pretty straightforward.
@DarthNocturnal 13 Million is not slightly above 10 million. Plua they manage to achieve that in 1 1/2 years
@electrolite77 XBox1 isn't selling very well. Look at the recent numbers.. It's a little better than the WiiU and only sells well in the US, since XBox1 is marketed toward insecure males.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Yeah.. Good point. People that write these articles are really irresponsible. The fact that he overlooked Xenoblade, which I think is a bigger title than Star Fox for Nintendo, so he could support his doomsday narrative is inexcusable and incredibly lazy. People writing comments don't need to be thorough, but if people writing articles want to give an analysis they shouldn't be so lazy and write these clickbaity articles. Do proper research. It shows that they do not have any confidence in their skills so they have to settle for this cheap crud.
@roboshort Wow! The movie idiocracy is for real???
@Tubalcain You're missing the point entirely. I'm not saying that AAA games are the problem, but how Publishers seem to treat them. Almost every game that comes from a big publisher has to be AAA.
I'm saying that we don't need every game to be AAA, and especially we don't need them being rushed out the door for Christmas.
You mention Arkham Knight, a game that was pulled from the Steam Store as the PC version released was apparently a mess. Phantom Pain was lucky to come out at all, and no matter how much of a success it is, Konami are going to call it a disappointment and shovel dung on top of it.
The problem is not AAA games, but the way publishers treat them. They're the be all and end all now. Every game has to be AAA or else they won't consider making it. Every game has to be a Super Success or else it's a disappointment.
Not every game has to be AAA. Not everyone can afford to buy every triple A title, or even that many of them. Not everyone can even afford every current gen console. Someone without a PS4 or XBONE doesn't really care for about their AAA line up, if they can't afford the consoles, so it makes no difference.
I'm not saying that AAA games are bad, I'm saying they're not the be all and end all. And we certainly don't need them being rushed out the door in unfinished states.
@Superryanworld Are you willing to join the fight against it? Or would we be better off just wallowing in it?
Rodea the Sky Soldier anyone? It is an exclusive to Nintendo's systems and it's releasing in November.
@roboshort
It's still better. I was replying to a post complaining about the putting down of Nintendo when XB1 isn't doing much better. I don't even own or intend to own an XB1 but I can see it has had a lot of criticism in the press and is outselling Wii U. Nintendo aren't alone in getting criticised when they mess up.
@Greenalink amen praise da' lord
@Greenalink yeah totally and project zero launches within the next month, i have more games than i have time. this is a disappointing setback but im not crying........yet
@Nomad absolutely and project zero on october the 30th
well since starfox isnt coming I made a decision. This holiday season I have 2 games, I just bought them. Turtles in time and super aleste for snes. That should keep me going.
Sony has Tearaway Unfolded, Uncharted Collection and a few others coming out...but nothing real big for the holiday season. Their major draw to the console will be the price drop that is going to be happening...down to $350.
Nintendo has Super Mario Maker, Splatoon, Yoshi's Wooly World and a few others for the holiday, but have not said anything about a price drop. With Microsoft and Sony probably doing a price drop...only $50 more than the Wii U, but a stronger library now and coming up...nintendo needs to make a $50 price cut too.
Sorry, I don't know what Microsoft has, but I think they have a few exclusives coming out too for the holiday season.
When it all comes down to what shoppers will look for, it's going to be what they see on the store shelves. PS4 has many games that will be on the store shelves, and the news coverage of how it's selling, will help them with sales. Microsoft has many games on the store shelves, but isn't as popular, but will still sell. Nintendo's shelves for the Wii U are almost bare (in almost every store I go into, even Gamestop), which will hurt them...I see more Wii games than Wii U. Nintendo will probably work with the 3DS, since they have an astounding amount of games to show off for that, and will probably do a price cut bundle on the New 3DS.
Anymore, it seems that even nintendo themselves gave up on the Wii U, and are just trying to make the people that bought the system (like myself), happy with their purchase. I love the games on the system, but I loved the Gamecube more (had a lot more games that were even third party titles). With barely any sports titles, racing titles, one RPG (until Xenoblade comes out), barely any shooters, sims and very few action adventure titles...it's almost all platforms...Wii U is only a system for nintendo fans that want the nintendo franchises...sorry, but that's the way I see it, as I have it just for nintendo's wonderful games!
I really hope that they work on the NX.
@davetheshrew It's sad when the older games and systems are better than the newer ones, huh. I feel the same way...I still love my NES, Atari, Genesis, N64 and Gamecube over the newer systems. There's nothing like putting the game in, starting it up right away and not having to wait for updates, downloads or loading times.
Xenoblade Chronicles X is still AAA though. Just because it may not be a hugely popular one doesn't change that.
Nothing has really changed for me since I was never interested in Starfox Zero to begin with.
I doubt this is ruining anyones christmas. . Honestly this will probably be a really good holiday for the Wii U even without Star Fox (It's really not hugely popular or anything). We still have Yoshi's Wooly world, Mario Tennis and Xenoblade (Which wont get much attention from the casual eye, but still has a large fanbase and with shulk in smash I think the awareness has gone up for the series).And theres still splatoon and mario maker, which I think will do well around the holidays. Also amiibos will probably do wonders around christmas.
As much as I like my Wii U, it kinda hard not to ignore the fact the Wii U final nail on the coffin was the day Nintendo started to put more time into the previously failing 3DS instead of the ok-ish Wii U. Nother like Star Fox Zero wouldn't have done Jake crap to the Wii U sells because nobody cares about Star Fox besides the core Nintendo fanbase (My Star Fox phase set sails long ago after I discovered Touhou). Star Fox is just as niche as Xenoblade really, or even more considering that the last true Star Fox game was Assult and that game was medicore at best and the rest was completely horrible. Let's not forget to mention the current bad - mixed reactions Zero has gotten since E3. Point is nothing would have change if Star Fox didn't get delayed, it would just exist and nobody would care about it, it's the flowers layer on top on the coffin really. All I can do is Nintendo can do a miracle with the NX, but with their new president, I have a good feeling the game will change when it comes out.
Very low quality article.
Some serious butthurt in the comments!
@BinaryFragger I'm pretty sure it's more that people are sick and tired of the "fate of Nintendo" narrative. Everyone on here is well aware of Nintendo's problems. Repeating them over and over again like a broken record is pointless and just for clicks.
If they wanted to do a Talking Point article, then they should have done one on Konami and how they reflect a serious problem in the console market.
This is great news and very understandable too.
What other coporate besides Nintendo is eager to deliver quality over quantity?
Xenoblade >>>>>>>> Starfox Zero.
I wasn't at all looking forward to the new Starfox anyways. Just never was up my alley gameplay wise. I've been looking forward to Xenoblade though for a long time. I think Xenoblade will sell a lot more than Starfox anyways. Zero just seemed kinda lackluster and the same as the rest of the games.
"Nintendo's console now lacks a AAA release this Christmas" No it doesn't; Xenoblade is more AAA than Star Fox could ever hope to be. Don't blatantly lie to fit your ridiculous article.
I'm impressed that you found a way to sugarcoat things that weren't necessary, and blew other issues out of proportion all within the same article. Mainstream Nintendo fans could not care less about AC Amiibo Festival. Delaying Starfox Zero is not ruining Christmas for 10 million Wii U owners. Give me a break.
@OlicityBlows Everyone k owe that the Wii U wishes to be cremated at the end of its life. No coffins, no nails.
I agree with you about this stupid article. Short version: "Game delayed. Nintendo DOOOOOOOMED." I feel dumber having read this, too.
@Goemonmaru Do you happen to have a source link for that info? Sega didn't merge with Sammy until 2004, and the Dreamcast was supported in Japan all the way until 2008, so sales didn't end after 2003 just because the West ended support. I haven't been able to find any pages leading in that direction. Not like Wikipedia is always correct, of course, but I'm curious.
The Sega Saturn is said to have ultimately had about 9.3 million sales all told, most of them being Japanese sales. Are you sure you didn't get the Saturn and Dreamcast numbers mixed up?
@roboshort lol "fans." As if owning Nintendo's console makes me a "fan."
The truth hurts, doesn't it? It doesn't take an MBA in marketing to know that publishers in this industry that don't have a major release in November lose at the store when it comes to the American shopping rush.
What's really funny is that what I said was apparently so offensive to YOU that you, for some sick reason, took it as a personal insult and decided to attack me personally. From what I said about a global company. There are studies going on about people like you right now, and it's quite sad what is being found out. Stop matching your personal identity with the reputation of a third party company so much. It's not a good color to wear.
@PlywoodStick nope. In fact, the Dreamcast sold even less. 9,13 million. There is a lot of stuff coming to this number. You can find a compreensible data here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=149907650
@KillScottKill You sure make a lot of assumptions about me based on one comment. Hmm.. Yeah, I suppose I shouldn't have thought you were a fan just because you own a Nintendo console.
Yes. That was the last nail. Though the coffin door would've been secured enough three nails ago.
I knew this was a Damien article by the title. His articles are written only to generate comments. I'm not sure if he believes what he writes but he has mastered getting a rise out of the readers.
I would buy a Wii U just for star fox zero, if I didn't already have one. I love the series. It's a shame that it's not more popular, and nobody here considers it a AAA title.
If this article was designed to get a rise from readers it's worked. Some top notch temper tantrums from the 'head in the sand' types.
There's been little else that nails for its coffin coming to the Wii U in over a year now. I'm pretty sure the lid is on tight already, all things considered.
As I see it, the people who care will still care.
They people who have yet to buy a Wii U come Christmas are much more likely to do so beacuse of Mario Maker or Splatoon.
Though Zelda would have been a great draw, and Starfox wouldn't been swell for the rest of us.
has this so called Nintendo site been taken over by sony? xenoblade chronicals x will be out by Christmas so star fox push back is a good thing
@ChessboardMan I do agree that the way the major publishers view selling games is unsustainable and will eventually collapse around them. (Big) Games are costing more and more to make and thus must sell more to be considered successful. I think this is just a natural process of the free market we're seeing as gaming matures and it will eventually become more stable. But I do think things for these big companies will become worse before they become better. There is certainly a place for big AAA games, as I would think everyone enjoys getting their fix of Halo, GTA, CoD, etc. here and there. And I think we'll eventually see a reemergence of the AA market either as the technology gets cheaper and indies are able to make those games on their limited budgets, or the big publishers realize that they can't bank on only releasing big budget games in a sustainable fashion.
As far as Star Fox getting delayed, I didn't expect it to move consoles anyway. And while I will certainly be picking up XCX and I'm hoping it will be great, it doesn't have as much mainstream appeal and JRPG fans who own the PS4 at least(as Xbox really never gets many JRPGs or SJRPGs) will be getting their fix from Disgaea 5 and Tales of Zestria(oh how I wish I could include Persona 5 here). The Wii U has been dead commercially, this is simply the latest in many nails that have been driven into its coffin.
utterly shocking title, sensationalist malarkey, clearly looking for clicks Darren because you can't back it up in your writing
Click bait..?
No mentions of other niche games (NA doesn't have Devil's Third, Yoshi's Wooly World or Fatal Frame yet and SMM and Skylanders w/ Nintendo characters just launched) or acknowledgement that the only Star Fox to sell marginally well was SF64, and then only because it was 'the Rumblepak' game.
The facts are there. Aside from that game, every game in the series has tanked, whether to advertising or gamer apathy.
The best one (the first one) I refuse to play, personally, because the controls are horrible. As is every in house developed non-platformer Nintendo makes.
They don't know camera controls, they don't know how to get consistent physics and they are entirely out of touch with the modern gamer.
Whether hardcore or casual, whining about an article with this topic is ludicrous, particularly after the majority consensus at E3 was Zero is a massive disappointment.
If delaying this garbage makes it a genuinely engaging and memorable experience, why encourage the present mediocrity?
I'm only waiting for Xenoblade Chronicles. It very possibly could be my last Wii-U purchase. Pretty sad. I even bought more games for my Atari Jaguar back in the day. My Wii-U has a grand total of 6 games I bought and a few Eshop purchases. We mainly use it as a Netfix player. All that will change for a while when Xenoblade arrives.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR As always, you're a breath of fresh air on this website thanks to your wonderfully crafted comments that are just brimming with logic and telling it as it is. Seriously, we could use more people like you here among the countless so called "Nintendo fans." Treating everything as though it's doom and gloom, like it's life or death. It's rather embarrassing to be honest, to see such reactions. Thankfully, there are people like yourself who have a solid head on their shoulders and treats video games as a fun, hobby that your passionate about, not something your going to complain about all the time or fight with others on the internet about your preference or opinion being better than theirs.
Starfox delayed? Ok, there are too many new good games to buy on Wii U anyway.
So incredibly HYPED for Xenoblade Chronicles X ! LOVED XC1, but Starfox and Zelda with their 2016 release, both delayed to make them better, will be well worth the wait. Still hoping for a Metroid and Mario Galaxy release on the Wii U.
That final nail is really tough to knock in isn't it?
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