Miyamoto: Star Fox Zero Has Been Delayed, "I Am Very Sorry"

Better late and polished than never.

Oh.

Well it looked very mediocre. If it is to polish it, then go for it.

I guess I'll use the money I was saving for it for Splatoon this christmas instead.

On the bright side there's more games for 2016.

Well, better a delayed game than an unpolished-and-unfinished-at-launch game.

Persona 5 gets delayed, now Star Fox Zero. What else will get delayed?

Well, we still have Xenoblade Chronicles X for the holiday season, yeah?

That's a bummer but after what we saw at E3 maybe a November release was abit too ambitious.

@NightMoon This year, probably nothing else. Expecting ReCore to get delayed though. That's supposed to be a Spring 2016 release yet we haven't seen a second of gameplay for it yet.

X-mas is cancelled.

Still gonna be a junk game to me with Fox looking like that and no sign of Krystal. We're not even getting Fara to compensate. Nor Miyu/Faye likely.

fire kimishima

Good decision!

I'm all for high quality, polishing etc. and prefer it over TTM.

Like Fox said in Back to the Future 3, the best stuff is made in Japan.

Starfox and Zelda for NX!

Perhaps the graphics will be upgraded above Gamecube level. ...Probably not.

_{Nope.-Morpheel}

@night Settle down.

@TobiasAmaranth so it's going to be a junk ha,e because of no Krystal?

wow

@night brutal

I was bummed and then remembered X is still coming this year as well as fatal frame. It would have been awesome if Miyamoto said, "to make up for the delay, we'll release Pikmin 4 in its place"

Good decision. It looked decidedly half baked last time I saw it.

Fine with any delay tbh as long as it improves what seemed a very average looking game. I want this game to blow me away, like the original did so long ago.
I'm sure I can fill my time with SMM and splatoon... IF I can prize the boy off them...

@night Someone's got a chip on their shoulder. And doesn't understand how art fandoms work

@night Stop throwing "autistic" around like an insult and eat a Snickers.

The trailer from E3 didn't even look like GameCube graphics. They looked like early Xbox 360 at worst. People love over exaggerating

I thought there was a report button somewhere. Not that I have any reason to dignify that post with a response but...

I'm tired of Nintendo being 'gameplay first' over actual story and character development. Star Fox has a lot of potential beyond being just an arcade shooter and Nintendo doesn't care to take the time and risk to develop it. Meanwhile the series has severe issues with gender imbalance, shallow characters that are more one-dimensional than anime chars, and the graphical art style of Fox there is absolutely revolting compared to the elegance of the designs in Starfox Adventures.

I have every right to complain about these things because the game, from a character point of view, is extremely relevant to me, for both my interest in anthropomorphics and my interest in foxes. I think Krystal had a ton of character potential, but it was 100% wasted after the end of Adventures.

So, yes, to me? The game is looking very bad. And I don't think that a delay will help it from my perspective.

@Jason723 Haha, yep. I thought it looked okay until everyone else started moaning about it. But maybe I'm just fine with outdated graphics, period. Xenoblade Chronicles, Shadow of the Colossus and and the original Wind Waker still look very pretty to me.

@Jason723 "The trailer from E3 didn't even look like GameCube graphics. They looked like early Xbox 360 at worst." ........yaaaaaaaay?

@Pentarou This is my problem at the minute, getting the GamePad off my kids! Heck I came home from work one night & my partner was playing Splatoon!

It looked like it needed it, but my worry is this is just another of those Nintendo delays where they hold back a finished game to be more strategic with releases. The game itself might not actually have an extra work done on it.

@Crimzonlogic, Thank you.

Though back on topic, I feel like at this point, it's more amazing when a game actually releases as scheduled.

Shame as it does leave a another hole in their holiday line up, though tbf releasing in a less competitive time may be a good idea (with multi console gamers like myself anyway); any extra polish is always welcome.

@TobiasAmaranth
Already hit the report button
@Jason723
I think it looks better than early X360 graphics, graphically the game looks fantastic

after Yoshi game comes out their will be no games coming out by Nintendo that i would want for the wiiu.

@Peach64 Star Fox was their big holiday game though. If it was a delay to be more strategic with releases they'd have delayed something like Mario Tennis or amiibo Festival.

Ahem.

Also, don't feel they'll 'improve' the graphics much, with them wanting 60FPS and many 4/One games not managing to achieve that in intensive games, I certainly don't imagine Nintendo will achieve that; could be proved wrong though!

Another couple of months of polishing can only make it a better game. Adding some form of Amiibo support would be good too.

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

Xenoblade's time to shine!

Project Cars, anyone?

Or release NX game?

Just a few thoughts...

This is the right decision. So many great games will be released until the end of 2015. On 1st of October we have LEGO Dimensions, two weeks later Shovel Knight. Another two weeks later we get Project Zero, then Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash and finally Xenoblade Chronicles X. There would be no time at all to play Star Fox Zero! And so many people are still playing Splatoon or Super Mario Maker.

Bring Star Fox Zero with a bit extra polish in 2016, Nintendo. It's the right decision, in every sense.

This is the right decision. So many great games will be released until the end of 2015. On 1st of October we have LEGO Dimensions, two weeks later Shovel Knight. Another two weeks later we get Project Zero, then Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash and finally Xenoblade Chronicles X. There would be no time at all to play Star Fox Zero! And so many people are still playing Splatoon or Super Mario Maker.

Bring Star Fox Zero with a bit extra polish in 2016, Nintendo. It's the right decision, in every sense.

Sorry for double posting

@Peach64 tho I'm very happy with my wiiu I must admit that Nintendos first party schedule has been a disaster since day one with this console.

All in favour of the delay. No way is it a deliberate delay for release reasons. The overall internet feedback based on previews thus far has been "average" at best. Clearly that has been taken on board. Delay it, make it better. Suits me.

Ok, the Wii U lineup is looking really bad for this holiday. Lets hope Xenoblade X doesn't get delayed too.

@Tisteg80 Shovel Knight has been out for a year already and Mario Tennis Ultra Smash hasn't got a release date in North America so the list is rather limited.

Providing that Nintendo make some genuine improvements to the game, and not just obsess over some arbitrary aspect that most people don't care about, then I'm fine with the delay. I just don't want them coming back in six months with an improved frame rate but still lacklustre gameplay.

Awww man, I was so looking forward to this game. Its great that they are delaying it to make it better but I'm still disappointed its not being released this year. And am I the only one who thinks the graphics looked fine?

Looks like Starfox is flying away from the Wii U, towards the NX.

@617Sqn Yeah, because everyone knows the NX will release in Q1 2016.

eShop exclusive EU and Japan, not released in the U.S., calling it now. AND... Limited Edition with a neat-o 3DS background screen download code for EU. Japan gets VC Star Fox 2 codes for Wii U and 3DS, system bundle options, a new car, and free DLC for Splatoon in the form of Fox's blaster as well as codes for Wolf as a DLC Smash fighter.

U.S. Only gets to have Stat Fox 64 added to the Wii U eShop in 2017 during the month of September to honor EU and Japan getting Star Fox Zero sometime back in 2016.

@MasterGraveheart That should keep us busy until March at least

I'd rather them take their time i've been waiting since Assault for a new Star Fox game in the classic sense so i can wait a bit longer.

@TobiasAmaranth Your wish for Nintendo to focus more on story than gameplay for Star Fox is so backwards. It IS, by definition, an arcade shooter, and manages to have a great story without laying it on too thick. This goes for any game - Gameplay. Comes. First.

@Nomad I think so! Nintendo has a great way of reinventing their franchises through every iteration; think about the differences between Mario Bros., Mario 2, Mario 3, Mario World and then Mario 64. Think about the difference between Zelda, Zelda 2, A Link to the Past and then Ocarina. Plus how different Majora's Mask was. Maybe I'm talking more about art style or that it seems as though they've merely basically remade Star Fox 64, but it's just nothing we haven't already seen before. Sometimes that's fine, but Nintendo are known for their innovation, so we come to expect more from them.

@TobiasAmaranth You do realize that we know almost nothing abut the story or included characters aside from the main four guys, right? It could turn out to be the best Star Fox story yet for all we know.

Anyway, I'm not bothered by the delay. I was going to be too busy with "Xenoblade Chronicles X" and my backlog to pick this game up before then, anyway.

That's ok! Miyamoto-San - Thank you for being honest and also taking the extra time and effort and also for absorbing the extra costs required to produce a higher quality piece of your Legacy.

We understand Nintendo has had a major unexpected change with the passing of Mr Iwata and know that with discerning gentlemen such as yourself, we are being looked after and respected as Nintendo fans.

GAMBATTE!

If this was going to NX, that would mean NX would need to utilise the Wii U Game Pad. Discuss........

I don't mind the delay if it makes a better game, what is of course is most important

@NightMoon what is persona 5s date now ?

Makes me a bit sad. But still it was the right decision. The game will be even better in Q1.

@Lizuka

With respect to your opinion, I totally disagree. The Wii U is dead in the water. Frankly, in my opinion, they are better ensuring all remaining games are the best they could possibly be - good training for their developers if nothing else,

With so much gone wrong in the last few years, and Soon before the next console they should not sacrifice the quality games reputation they still retain

Star Fox Zero didn't look particularly inspiring at E3 this year and I am genuinely not surprised that it needed to be in the oven for a little bit longer.

It's probably the best decision in the long run, but I don't think this will be a particularly good Star Fox game; none of the videos yet shown looks to be much fun, in my opinion.

Annoying but I could do with saving money. If Mario Tennis is half decent I'll be busy enough.

@Ootfan98 I will be very surprised and disappointed if the Wii U gamepad is not compatible with the NX.

On-topic: Christmas is hard.

I expected as much. Hopefully they use the time to polish the graphics and making the gameplay quicker. They could also make the controls better, since many people at the E3 floor thought they where cumbersome.

At this point it may be better to turn it into a NX launchtitle though.

Just a few more months to wait isn't so bad. It's better to have a polished game on day one of release than a gigabyte-heavy update patch. My GF might be a little disappointed, but I have a feeling that she'll still be pretty busy with that new Project Zero game to even notice.

I don't really mid the delay, now I have more time to play other games and possibly buy some 3rd party ones which I wouldn't have considered had Star Fox been released in November.

I've heard a lot of complains how the graphics are bad and there should be more enemies on the screen. Hopefully they'll make it a much better game than it would have been in the original launch plan.

Move Xenoblade to November in its place I say. This is an odd one. One one hand releasing it the same day as Star Wars Battlefront was a death wish, but on the other hand the Wii U needs all the games it can get this holiday season.
Nintendo is kinda screwed this holiday season, unless they drop the Wii U price in my opinion. Get those MM bundles in peoples faces, come out swinging!

If Miyamoto and the developers felt the game needed the extra time, then this delay is the right decision.

Pretty much all Nintendo's own games this generation, and particularly the Wii U ones, have been extraordinarily polished and well-developed. This unlike the vast majority of small and big-budget AAA games across all platforms, which are put out riddled with bugs and missing content that may or may not be fixed with updates and DLC.

And besides, Wii U is in all honesty a lost cause, it'll never be a great sales success - Nintendo know this and simply have to ride it out until NX launches. Starfox wasn't ever going to turn Wii U's fortunes around, so better to delay it and make sure it's a good game than putting it out there unfinished just to make a deadline.

It's not an NX title. It's still a Wii U game.

I wasn¨t very excited for Star Fox Zero anyway. They restarted the story and went back to Star Fox 64. But since he says they're gonna improve the cutscenes, maybe they're adding some more story?

Ooof, big hit to their holiday hardware sales potential. Still, I'm fine with just Xenoblade. Since that was only relying on voice acting and translation, I'm guessing we can be pretty sure it won't be delayed. Those are problems you can generally solve with more people if necessary.

Ajajaj....Sad but true...

Oh well. Next year it is so.

Waiting for project zero then Xenoblade, and Uncharted Collection and, ReCore? That's coming this year right?

As long as it makes a better game, it's hard to complain. Besides my backlog is so massive it would just collect dust on my hard drive anyway.

@Grumblevolcano My guess is Xenoblade will get bumped up a week to black Friday and fill the void Star Fox left.

That's too bad, but if we get a better game, I'm all for it.

My primary ask would be for the environments/background to be given more detail, based on what I saw at E3.

Nintendo Life said...."This delay also leaves time to enjoy many other new releases across the Wii U, 3DS and eShop during this busy time of year".

Great thinking. If Nintendo delay all its games it will give us all more time to play other stuff.

@CB85 Yeah.. The chances of it being a success in terms of sales is slim to none, but Nintendo still wants to make a profit. We have Mario Tennis and Genei left this year in Japan alongside a couple third party games like Yokai Watch Just Dance and a shogi game (Japanese chess).. I am think I might pick up the shogi game. I am glad it got delayed, though...

Firstly the delay won't improve the graphical look! Secondly this game is being developed by miyamoto so don't expect any online or chat to be added! Thirdly if you owned the game now and the improved version at Easter you would find no playable differences, just FMV and story.

@roboshort maybe releasing Star Fox would take sales away from Xenoblade, so the end of Q1 nearer Easter is when we could see Star Fox.

I think this is great news, personally; the game looked underwhelming, and quite a few previews supported that view. Hopefully now, upon release, it will be as good as we all expect main entries in Nintendo's core franchises to be.

This is a game that needed a delay. The E3 previews were not the best for this game and the graphics were not the best. So this is very welcome. I suppose now this makes xenoblade the big holiday game for the year. But it hits after Black Friday so Nintendo is not going to be doing good here in the US this year. I suppose the Zelda game on 3ds can help them but I am not interested in that. I wish they weren't stalling the other Zelda game for Wii u. I know they are holding it for release on nx.

@Lord blimey, how on earth are you so well informed?

...Welp, there goes my holiday title.

But, I guess it's reasonable given how the game looks a bit unpolished.

I can't see Nintendo having anything on sale this year! #Profits down the drain! And share tumble!
The line up thin at best with Devils third (poor sales not stocked by any shops) project zero aka fatal frame (very low sales interest again most shops not stocking) xenoblade x (low-average sales interest).
The rest is third party or indie pyshical re-releases.

Good call.

@Lizuka Honestly, Star Fox Zero is one of the last big titles developed by Nintendo for the Wii U, so rushing would leave a bad impression at the end of Wii U's lifecycle, which would mean a bad start for the NX as well, so it's better for them to polish that game as much as they can.

@TobiasAmaranth Well, really the series started with puppet characters, and Miyamoto confirmed that the series was inspired by Thunderbirds, so the new design reflects that.
Starfox Adventures was really going to be a Zelda-like title named Dinosaur Planet and developed by Rare, of course this means the art direction and characters' design was quite different as a consequence.
Also remember what Miyamoto said in his so famous Game Informer interview of 2012 about the Mario universe characters taking different roles in different games:

http://www.screwattack.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/588/img021.jpg

I don't think you should aim for the story in most Nintendo titles, although admittedly their characters are really interesting.

I'm okay with this. I was a bit underwhelmed with it, hopefully they use this extra time wisely.

Sales data shows that gamers, adults, families, teens and kids all purchase games in the run up to Xmas and as Xmas presents. Hence the high quantity of releases at this time.
Easter release windows shows that only a small percentage of games sell over chocolate gifts at this time with all purchases aimed at kids.
If you convert this into numbers a game sold pre Xmas potentially could sell 20 times more copies than at Easter.
I feel sorry for the starfox franchise as this will directly effect its profit potential placing it in the box of Nintendo ip's that they will avoid making again for many years due to poor feedback and low sales!

Well this game needs another year not just 3 extra months.

There is very little chance of them making any graphical changes at this stage in proceedings. An eleventh hour delay like this is likely down to bug fixes or play testing issues.
I'm gutted I won't get to play it this year but It means I'll buy the new Tomb Raider instead!

There is very little chance of them making any graphical changes at this stage in proceedings. An eleventh hour delay like this is likely down to bug fixes or play testing issues.
I'm gutted I won't get to play it this year but It means I'll buy the new Tomb Raider instead!

@roboshort I think that will happen for Europe, Yoshi gets pushed back to late November in NA and GIR#FE gets moved forward a few weeks.

Sucks for the holiday line up but as the article says the game hasn't had the positive impressions splatoon and smm have had. And let's face it, Star Fox can't survive another poor game.

@ottospooky graphical changes could be easily done at this stage. What's really needed, and what seems to be missing that would make this game look much better, is some bloom, shows, and surface reflections. That mainly what makes Mario Kart 8 and Smash look so nice, even though they have fairly low-poly models.

Basically, all post-processing stuff and effects. The game would look way better if they just added a bit of that.

@TobiasAmaranth When was the last time EAD put out a bad game, let alone a very bad one? Pretty much everything they put out is very good to great.

I can only respect this decision, good call Miyamoto-San

@Grumblevolcano Nintendo needs a title for Black Friday.. I doubt that title is Yoshi, but we'll have to wait and see.

@Lord as far as we know, Miyamoto is the producer, not the director, who is Yugo Hayashi instead from Nintendo's side, while the representative from Platinum's side (who should also be the other director) is Yusuke Hashimoto. Therefore it isn't really a game developed by Miyamoto.

Not like I'd've had the time to play it in November anyway lol. The only reason this annoyed me is because it reminded me of the Zelda U delay... I need a freaking trailer!! blood boiling intensifies

Prediction starfox would score 5/10 if reviewed at e3 if the game changes continue to push down the twin screen motion controlled gameplay and polished visuals as out lined in miyamoto's Facebook statement the score at Easter would be between a 6/10 or 7/10 for those Nintendo review sites like this one. If they add online multiplayer the reviewers would overlook other issues and score 8/10.

@Mister_Wu I think Miyamoto usually supervise Nintendo projects attached to him somehow and give ideas and tell people what should be changed and improved. He usually doesn't ask for much credit as he is more humble than others. We don't even know how much he actually does, but I think it's very much.

About the delay, Star Fox is a very important franchise, at least for the fans, so if the game was not polished as every website is claiming, not other company has more resources to polish it than Nintendo. If the game is worse than they initially thought, it's better to fix that before shipping copies.

@gcunit me also, but there's a lot people in those doom and gloom discussions that don't like the Gamepad

Well... looks like I just got myself 3 to 4 extra months to work on my Star Fox music tribute then.

Glad the game is getting the polish it needs, but it's a bit of a blow for the WiiU in general.

Shame they've not done more little experimental IPs in th eShop for it like they did for 3DS. That really helped fill the gaps nicely.

It needed it.

Personally, I'd remove the dual screen control from the Arwing sections as it just looks totally forced and gimmicky (it's fine with the tank though) and polish the graphics a whole lot more.

I'm not as worried about Star Fox as most people are (I like the graphics, I'm only a bit worried about the controls), but if this means the game will be improved, I'm totally fine with that.

@WebHead
Agree. As disappointing as this is, the delay will more than likely be good for the game and more importantly the franchise long term.

Not surprised...but not disappointed. Love Nintendo but all gaming industries need to learn not to jump the gun on release dates or announcements.

Well, there goes my only anticipated Wii U game for the rest of 2015. I'm sure it'll be vastly improved by 2016 though. Miyamoto knows what's best!

I guess the initial disappointment was heard, as the game looked like it was already finished (hence the constant reminder, that it will most like arrive before Zelda).

For me, they can take all the time that they want. With Nintendo, you can be pretty sure that the additional time wil go into the game itself, not into starting PR campaigns.

Lets hope for the best

All I want for Christmas is FAST Racing NEO...

This is pathetic. The Wii U needs to be replaced next year.

This may be due to the fact very few people were impressed with Star Fox after E3. It was their headline game and the main part of the Digital Event. I watched the stream live on this site and i'd say 75% of the reaction was "barely better than N64 graphics". Then, a lot of people at the Treehouse event complained about the controls. I'm all about great games and I would much rather wait for the game to be improved than rushed for the holiday season. That being said, Nintendo does the majority of its business from Nov-Jan and they don't have much to boost sales. Star Fox was supposed to be the headliner. I'm worried for the big N. Hopefully the NX is going to launch with a bang during holiday 2016.

I was one of the mad ones screaming "I have to buy a PS4 now!" after E3 and thank god I bought one, so I've something to play until XCX.

i don't think this is or was ever going to be the Starfox game we were looking for. It looks like this title has stemmed from an original Wii Starfox demo and given some slight HD polish and compatibility with the Game Pad.
When Starfox 64 came out it was the closest you could get to playing in your own sci fi movie. Just like MGS on the PlayStation was like playing in your own action movie.
When I look at what Kojima has done now with MGS V he's expanded on this and created a sublime experience that is a huge advancement stylistically and technically on his original vision for the series. What we have with Starfox Zero is a nominal upgrade on SF64 that seems to copy it more than expand on the original style of play.
The Wii U's poor sales have caused development costs and budgets to be reduced which is why they can't give us the ultimate Starfox experience. Maybe on NX they'll consider building the game from the ground up and creating a Starfox title with presentation values we all really want.

@TobiasAmaranth I'm pretty sure the reason we haven't seen Krystal is because they've only showed one trailer and like two levels. The only reason you want to see her is because shes attractive to you so don't talk about personality when you only care about her apperence.

I thought Yoshi's Wolly World, Animal Crossing Amiibo Party and Mario And Sonic At The Rio Olympic Games are also coming out this year, or were they pushed back too? Anyways, at least they still have Xenoblade Chronicles X coming out for the holidays. Add a great bundle for Black Friday, and they should have a good end of the year quota.

@Peach64 From what he said, that really doesn't seem to be the case. Personally I'd rather wait for a more polished game than for them to rush release a mediocre title.

@TobiasAmaranth "gender imbalance" HAHAHAHAHA sure trhow a half naked foxy warrior princess in there to fix it

@Nintendofan83 I disagree that Star Fox Zero was their headline game at E3 this year, that was definitely Super Mario Maker. It took up more of the digital event than Star Fox Zero and was much more prominent in the treehouse streams. To be honest, if it wasn't for the fact that the actual anniversary was on 13th September I expect it would've been in the big November release slot.

This is for the best. I hope they use the extra time wisely.

For me this is good news. The time between E3 and the original Nov release date was extremely ambitious. The sub-par graphics was not an issue for me but any improvement in this area is always welcome. I just hope this extra time is spent making it more original and unique.

Although a niche title, there is Project Zero to look forward to which was not mentioned in the article.

@Crimzonlogic I just don't like how they said "Zelda and Star Fox before Christmas!!. And now..... uh.... what exactly is coming out for Christmas? Xenoblade? No thanks.... Yoshi's Woolly World looks good - but not a game changer for the Holidays. They better do a price drop down to $200 or NOBODY is buying a Wii U this Christmas.

Well now im glad we had to wait for Yoshi. Alot od people fussed about how this game looked, so hopefully the improvements will make a little more of the internet happy.

well let's hope they realized the game looked like utter garbage

Just make it as high quality as the rest of the series.

Too bad Ubisoft wouldn't take a hint from this. Delaying a game to add more polish as opposed to rushing a November release and shipping a game that simply isn't finished...

I'm hoping they're going to take this time to add Pro Controler support, but I sincerely doubt it. Still, if they can make this game any less awful than it was at E3 it'll be a massive improvement.

@vitalemrecords Nintendo's backup plan is bound to be DLC focused.

• You were going to spend £40 on Star Fox Zero? Here's a £40 Smash DLC pack featuring new characters, stages and Mii Fighter costumes.
• Think you've had enough of Splatoon? Here's a brand new multiplayer mode and some new maps.
• Bored of creating levels in Super Mario Maker? Here's an update which adds slopes among other things that will make your courses even better.

And then promote Smash, Splatoon and Super Mario Maker as if they were new games.

Yeah, take whatever time it takes to get it right. I respect that. Anyway, I'm all fired up for Xenoblade X so no grumbles here

At least shove out the SNES sequel on the VC to tide some wanting this over (I still think they should give download codes for the game exclusively with SFZ). It would be nice if Nintendo gave Xenoblade a bigger push than expected, just to give the Wii U a profile over the period. I hope the delay adds online modes.

At least now it'll get the polish a lot of people seem to think it needs. I don't really have time to play it until later, anyway.

No, No,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGLh9hRmRcM
I understand why! Don't get me wrong, but I want to play this SO BAD!
Well, better wait for Xenoblade X.

BAH HA HA HA!!! I called it and so many told me it wasn't so. I guess they need some games for 2016.THis however is now shaping up to be the worst Christmas for Nintendo. There is nothing line up now for the holidays.... unless you're in NA I guess since we still have yet to get Yoshi and Xenoblade... though Yoshi is not really Holiday.

Not even mad! Because Mario Maker is literally taking up all of my playing time and I don't think that's gonna change for the foreseeable future.

Reaction in our household - "when's Zelda coming out?"

Hope I don't disappoint anyone w/ my lack of righteous indignation about yet another Wiig U game delay, but it's to be expected at this point, I'm not even bothering to post the info graphic w/ the Nov 20th date.

Old schedule:
Sept SMM Oct Yoshi Nov SFZ Dec XCX
New schedule
Sept SMM Oct Yoshi Nov AC:aF Dec XCX

There's also Mario Golf, but I'm clueless as to that date.

I honestly don't think this was a marketing decision, I think Miyamoto has too much pull and wouldn't lie like that, Nintendo would have made the announcement if that were the case.

So anybody else read his long explanation in expectation of reading "Please understand?" If he didn't use it in that context, even if there is another ND that phrase won't appear, it's retired. And the way this announcement was made, even if the ND are coming back, looks like it might be awhile.

Now about that Wii U price cut...

This is good news!
Now they get time to upgrade the game to Plaoinum Games standard.
And they better not give a release date soon. TBA 2016 would be bood enough until 2016. The game needs new gfx, polish etc.

...Xenoblade it is! Anyways, while it sucks that it's been delayed, I understand.

Also I hope they show the game off and don't pull a Zelda U on us. (That means to delay a game, but not show anything about it.)

More reason for Nintendo to release a physical copy of Fatal Frame V to help fill the gap with something.

Good.

@ikki5 : Wii U already had 6-7 exclusives so far in 2016.
Zelda, Mario Sonic Olympics, Pikmin 4, Pokken Tournament and more i forgot.

@TobiasAmaranth I'm sorry you feel this way. I feel the same way about Krystal in many ways, and while it's unsurprising that she will not appear in Star Fox Zero it is disappointing. At least Katt Monroe is in the game, and I think she's cool. The problem with the Star Fox series is that it lacks consistency.
I think part of the issue is that Adventures, Assault, and Command were all developed by different people who took radically different interpretations of how Star Fox's story should progress. I can't even think of a logical way that any sequel can follow Command's branching plot(s) without making someone unhappy.
Star Fox (NES), the unreleased Star Fox 2, Star Fox 64, and Star Fox Zero were all developed by Nintendo's in house development team (plus additional polish and level design from Argonaut Games in the first two titles, and Platinum Games in the last), and knowing how comparable those games are, Star Fox Zero's direction is not surprising.
I know that Miyamoto in particular has been displeased with the direction that the Star Fox series has taken, and he probably felt that his Thunder Birds-esque game about animals in space was becoming too complicated for his taste.
But Star Fox Zero turned out this way just because Miyamoto is developing it. The other franchises he actively works on like Pikmin and Mario also lack particularly profound character development and instead focus on gameplay. Not all Nintendo franchises suffer from this though. I think The Legend of Zelda and Metroid series in particular can have very deep and fleshed out narratives, and I appreciate that from them. The RPG's developed for their systems - such as Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, and Pokémon - can be surprisingly complex. Even HAL Laboratory's Kirby has a connected narrative between titles (not the most complex one, but I still think it's neat).
This is just my personal taste, but I personally love Fox and the gang's designs for Zero. Because several Star Fox games were developed by different companies with different designers, I feel like all of the characters look completely different between titles, and that has always bothered me. However, in this title Fox somehow maintains a consistent look. To me he looks like as he did in Star Fox 64, Command, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and Smash 4 all at once and I appreciate this. I also like how fluffy he looks. While Adventures still had its charm, I've always just favored Fox, Peppy and Slippy's designs from the older Star Fox titles. I think this is the best they've looked in years.

Perhaps the game needed extra work to be released. However, Nintendo is preserving the franchise at the expense of the Wii U. If the prospects for this holiday season were bad, they became worse. Without Zelda or StarFox to push the sales, the Wii U will be completely dead.

Ouch. That does hurt, but I'll be playing xenoblade and fallout anyway.

Actually this works in my favor...more money to put towards imports.

@the101 The whole point behind Zero was to go back to the series roots. Nintendo tried experimenting with Star Fox and it was always the same. Fans wanted less Adventure more 64 so thats exactly what Nintendo is giving them

I'm glad SFZ was delayed, the game could really use those extra months and be polished. In the mean time, I've got Yoshi, XCX and Pokemon super mystery dungeon.

This has been the worse year in terms of Nintendo exclusives for a long time. Perhaps Super Mario Maker and Splatoon are the only games that define the Big N's 2015 lineup.

While I'm a bit disappointed, I have to say that I'd MUCH rather have Star Fox be delayed at this point due to the graphical criticisms.

2016 looks to be stacked though. I mean, we already know of some great games such as Pokken Tournament, Stat Fox Zero, Zelda Wii U and more, and that's without any announcements at E3 2016. NX details?

I dont think having Star Fox this year or next will make or break the WiiU, and for that i rather see Nintendo take their time and give us a Star Fox game we deserve and not one that will crash and burn and kill the series for good...

I don't mind this at all (same with the Zelda U delay). I'm all for it, since it means we get an ultimately better game in the end, but it does beg the question whether it is even necessary giving us a release date (year) so prematurely in the first place. Just announce the game, show some work in progress and done. That's enough for me, no need to give any empty promises and say it's coming then and then. Until you're really surely positive about the release date, which, naturally, should be close to the release of the game, there's no need to announce it. I think Yoshi's Woolly World did that well, as it kept us wondering about the game for a long time (around two years, I believe) after having been exposed to some early screenshots of it. We had it in the back of our minds without obsesing over it, some were even unsure if it's coming at all, but I think that's the way Nintendo should handle their release date announcements, namely not to tell us anything until short notice.

Yikes...

So now Nintendo has no big release for the holidays. I'm sure their marketing department is flipping out right now. Yes it has Xenoblade, but that game is so niche.

At least the apology seems sincere, but yeah this definitely going to hurt their hardware sales.

@Ventilator Is Pikmin 4 actually confirmed for Wii U? I thought it would've been NX. Zelda I also expect will be NX, Mario & Sonic Olympics is on 3DS. The only confirmed 2016 Wii U exclusives before this delay were Pokken Tournament and GIR#FE.

@rjejr Mario Tennis, not Golf. Anyway, I kind of expect the NA lineup for the rest of this year to be:
September - Super Mario Maker (already released)
October - ?
November - Yoshi's Woolly World (delayed from October), Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival (replaces Star Fox Zero)
December - Xenoblade Chronicles X (Mario Tennis Ultra Smash delayed to 2016)

@Wolfgabe that is also true. Adventures, Assault, and Command weren't received well, certainly not as well as the original Star Fox or Star Fox 64. It's a shame that in an attempt to give people what they want, people accuses Zero of being too simple in comparison to Assault.
It's like the superb Ocarina of Time was accused of too much hand-holding, which later appeared in Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. A Link Between Worlds remedies that but instead was accused of being too narratively simple I'm comparison to the previous entries (a complaint that was carried over into TriForce Heroes).
Double Dash!! was too different while Mario Kart Wii was too similar to older titles. Melee was too fast and Brawl was too slow. Not everything will be appeased by a title, especially when an audience doesn't fully know what they really want.
I'm excited by Star Fox Zero and the direction it has taken, but I'm not going to protend that fans of the more "recent" GCN Star Fox titles are equally satisfied.

@roboshort wow, you will actually pick the shogi game? I was interested, but 6000 yen for it is a bit steep. Will get taiko and the best price version of puyo tetris. Maybe genei ibunroku. A shame, cause i really wanted to play starfox and now wiiy holiday got completely destroyed in Japan

@Grumblevolcano @Ventilator

Pikmin 4 has definitely not been announced for any system yet. There is no proof that it will be released for Wii U. It was just said that it is almost complete. I find it likely that they worked on it with the Wii U in mind, but it could totally pull a Twilight Princess and have a duel release, or just be put on the NX alone. We simply don't know.

The worst part about this delay is there's no Iwata to say "please understand." Man, I miss that guy.

@Ventilator Pikmin 4 hasn't announced the platform (which is strange unless there is something more than the Wii U). Mario and Sonic... yuck, I bought the Sochi, I paid $80 too much for that game (retail price is $50). Also it is not a Wii u exclusive since it is also on the 3DS.

Also, the only real reason why we have that many exclusives in 2016, is because of delayed games. Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem, Zelda, Star Fox. Those probably are not all of them.

should of chilled with the two screen mechanic and just made it look good :I

@Captain_Gonru

What extras? The Wii U Mario maker bundle actually has less than the other bundles because it doesn't come with Nintendo Land, No pro-controller or anything extra, just the Amiibo. The Mario Maker Bundle is actually a price increase if you want to look at it that way.

Whether or not the game needed the extra development time is kind of irrelevant to me; don't get me wrong, I would still have bought it on launch day as I always do with Nintendo games, but with the back catalogue of Wii U, Xbox One and PS4 games I have to still yet play, enjoy and complete, and all the other xmas releases to come, I must admit I am not disappointed in that respect. It's just a shame though that it won't be there for the Xmas rush alongside Mario Tennis and Xenoblade to help shift a few more units.

@Captain_Gonru

That old video simply doesn't matter anymore, there has been too many things shuffled around.

Secondly, Zelda is simply MIA until we hear about the NX. It is fairly obvious that it's going to be a duel release.

Shame, but I think xenoblade is enough to keep me going, plus splatoon and mario maker still on the go.

And we've still got Rodea and Fatal Frame to come, I'm happy they are taking the time to improve it.

Sure, I have plenty of titles to catch up with anyway.

And for whether it will hurt the holiday sales, I think just about the only thing that would HELP holiday sales would be getting all the stores that have dropped the Wii U to maybe carry the Splatoon bundle in the weeks around Thanks Giving.

It needs to be right in people's face for them to care anymore.

Actually happy this is happening as I've consistently felt the game needed more time.

@Lord
Honestly, I would like in house multiplayer more than online, but that may be just me...

@TobiasAmaranth

"I have every right to complain about these things because the game, from a character point of view, is extremely relevant to me, for both my interest in anthropomorphics and my interest in foxes. I think Krystal had a ton of character potential, but it was 100% wasted after the end of Adventures."

Congrats, that's the weirdest statement in this thread...

@MoonKnight7 : Almost complete don't mean it will be released november 2016 which is close to 1.5 years form now. Its probably march release in 2016.

@ikki5 Heh.. Yeah.. And perhaps Giant Robot and Guard also got delayed until 2016, or maybe cancelled.. Genei isn't really delayed.. just coming out earlier in Japan. It is a Japanese otaku game so I am not sure how well it will do outside of Japan.. I'm looking forward to it, though.

https://i.imgur.com/C8h1eGr.png

@Grumblevolcano : Pikmin 4 is most likely early 2016 release as its almost complete, which means it must be a Wii U game.

@Goemonmaru Yeah.. 6000 yen is a bit steep. I wouldn't mind paying 4000. It may go down in price before too long. I have never played shogi so I am kind of interested.

I personally like that they have chosen to put more time into making it a better game. I patiently await it's arrival, while I continue to play MH4U, Mario Maker, & now maybe Xenoblade or Yoshi. However, I think this will hurt the sales for this game greatly. I believe that this game would have made it onto many kid's Christmas list this holiday season.

@ikki5 : Its not all of the games. At E3, there was maybe only 2, 2016 games known. Its still a few months until 2016, and now there is more games confirmed already. Wii U will get full line up in 2016 unless some isn't delayed to 2017.

This is good news for me. The game looked like it still needed work done on it. Nothing worse than a game with a early release date that feels unfinished. I got ESO on the PS4 and that game was unplayable for about two months.

That's fine by me, polish it up as high quality as possible. They should really start advertising for it by Christmas with an NDirect or something.

Honestly I kind of expected it. Nintendo hasn't been very good at sticking to their release dates lately.

Oh my...that's unexpected. Well, I guess as long as there's a good reason for it.

@MasterGraveheart That's pretty much all I'll care about during the next Holidays anyway, so no biggie.

Thank god Nintendo isn't burning Star Fox just to fill a release window

This is good. Delayed games have potential to be quality games and Nintendo is known for its quality.

tbh, I thought there's a good chance that even if it comes out this year, I'd be able to get it next year.

Maybe we will get a 4 or 5 player split screen dog fight mode now?

I'm not concerned with the delay bwcause I probably wasnt buying this in December anyway. Maybe now i can get in extra Xenoblade playing time.

All of a sudden 2016 looks to be packed with games I want.....but 2015 looked that way this time last year and so far I've bought Splatoon and I didnt even buy that my son did.

Now this isn't what I expected to hear when I got up this morning. Definitely disappointed but if they feel they can make the game an overall better experience then who am I to argue.

@Ventilator

"Almost complete don't mean it will be released november 2016 which is close to 1.5 years form now."

I fail to understand your concept of a calendar, but where I live, it is past the middle of Sept., a far cry from 1.5 years.

"Its probably march release in 2016."

Well, I'm going to hold you to that. Just for the heck of it though, lets just explore that idea for a moment:

The Wii U is in such dire straights that it can't even keep it's Holiday schedule on track. No doubt console sales are going to reflect poorly on this. How on earth do you expect their marketing department to work wonders with selling Mario Tennis, and Xenoblade as their two main Holiday games? It's a complete nightmare.

If you were the sitting President of Nintendo, would you now burn a Pikmin game on a floundering console that will likely have it's worst Holiday season on record? Or, do you keep that nearly finished game and try to build up the NX? Just because the game is "almost complete" doesn't mean they are going to rush to get it out the door. You need to use some business common sense. It's the whole reason Zelda was pushed back to begin with, and now it's MIA. Nintendo is trying to build up games for the NX, and rightfully so, coming out in mid-generation.

Will Pikmin ever grace the Wii U? Maybe. Will it be a duel release? Probably. We would have heard something by now if it was coming out when you say it is.

You are basing your assumption on the fact that it is almost complete, and I'm telling you that, that is just something you can't bank on, given Nintendo's current situation.

@iphys lol oh come on.
But yeah I know what you mean — was looking forward to this on xmas... 😐
This is probably for the best overall though....

@Ventilator It still doesn't change the fact that our of all the games you mentioned, only one of those is a confirmed Wii U exclusive for 2016 and this game, Zelda and Shin Megami Tensi vs Fire emblem are delayed games which make up the known bulk of confirmed Wii U releases... let along if they are even going to be Wii U exclusives now depending on what the NX does.

this is really not that surprising given the footage theyve shown us. XCX should fill up my xmas gaming time anyhoo. im kinda glad honestly as this delay will ensure a better game upon release.

Can we get SNES remix instead please?

YES MARIO TENNIS ULTRA SMASH YEAH I CAN'T WAIT GAME OF THE YEAR YEAH

said no one ever

@Captain_Gonru "Maybe they've decided that all the extra stuff in the Mario Maker bundle is just as good as a price cut."

You mean the Walmart exclusive?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nintendo-Wii-U-Super-Mario-Maker-Console-Deluxe-Set-Walmart-Exclusive/46332782

Can't count it as a price drop if it's a store exclusive. And what @ikki5 said.

My favorite part of that Walmart page is the red Wii Mini on top, discounted from $129 to $99. Nintendo just don't know when to stop.

Oh, and we know Zelda U won't be out anytime soon, we haven't seen a single screenshot or vid in what, 9 months now? My kid was just showing his complete lack of interest in Starfox and I think wondering why a delayed SFZ has "Q1 2016" but Zelda just has "2016", no "Q". Does Zelda even have a "U" anymore? jk

Just wow. Okay more: I'm glad they'll take the time to make it much better. It does have a mixed perception at best out there and Star Fox deserves to get a solid, respected release. Wii U is hurting, but in the US there's still Yoshi to push and XCX can get the spotlight. I'm disappointed I won't get to play it personally, but let's get it done right.

Good thing Mario Maker seems to be taking off.

I'm with @rjejr. How about that price drop now? I do start to wonder about that NX release. Maybe they just want the Wii U consoles to sort of lose relevance? Hmm...

I mean, if Zelda is a candidate for NX launch (and it's a console), why not Star Fox as well? Pikmin 4? I mean, it could be the strongest launch in Nintendo history and boy does Nintendo need that.

@rjejr Selda will have a "U" by it... it will probably also have a "NX" (or whatever they use) by it too.

It hurts but it's surely better for the game.
Take your time.
I'm still waiting for a HL2 sequel, so I'm used to waiting

@aaronsullivan 3 italics? Guess that's officially your thing now.

I ordered the Skylanders Superchargers Dark Ed on Wii U for $100 yesterday, so I won't be bugging you about DI info this year. I'd prefer to wait for a BF sale, but the dark ed sold out quickly last year, and I'm afraid the DK amiibo will make that situation worse. Amazon Prime gave me $10 of, so at least I got that.

And may go in on Lego D., so I have no money for Starfox Zero anyway.

Edit: Oh, and I just spent $113 on a calculator for my middle schooler. Hopefully it will last, I still use mine I bought in 1985, solar powered. Best part - the Radio Shack brand.

I would rather wait for the game to be more polished than have the game rushed. It's unfortunate that it won't be out before the Holidays, but at least it's quarter 1 of next year.

I might be we wrong, but wasn't the Falco Amiibo coming out on the same day as the game? Does this mean that we'll have to wait longer for the Amiibo, too?

Great! Means that they can polish the game some more and really deliver a quality experience! Or should I join the bandwagon and say "Wii U christmas is the worse how dare they spend time on their games" and so on?

Good. Actually, delay it to Q4. Your gameplay and sound are likely very close to finishing. Now you can actually start working on the graphics instead of using those horrid placeholder-class visuals.

I'm actually happy (and quite relieved) with this delay.
Gives them more time to polish the game.
The Star Fox franchise deserves it!!!

Hahaha! You know... I can't say I'm surprised. A year or two ago, I would've been livid, but I'm laughing instead. I guess I've become so use to the fact that Nintendo promises something, then breaks those promises. Says they're going to release something at X time period, then delay it.

'Sigh'

@rjer Well, according to this page (I can't find the US page, by the way):

http://www.nintendo.co.uk/Games/Wii-U/The-latest-title-in-The-Legend-of-Zelda-series-working-title--893260.html

No, there is no U in the name, and the release date is "TBD", so not even 2016 is certain...

@Grumblevolcano Guess that explains why I don't know the date. Thanks, I'm going to go fix that now. Don't know why though, I assume we're all continuing this conversation in the "talking point".

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/09/talking_point_star_fox_zeros_delay_could_be_the_final_nail_in_the_wii_us_coffin

@Mister_Wu I'm working off of the NA released infographic (OK, there has to be a better name for those things). And even though "U" is no longer part of the working title, it is listed in the top half, which is stated as being for Wii U, and it's above the 2016. So I guess I'm going off of photo placement rather than words.

@rjejr Honestly, we all know that Nintendo representatives repeatedly said that the new Zelda is for Wii U and is slated for release in 2016, still I think that TBD is much better than any other promises because at least if the project turns out to be too ambitious (and it surely is ambitious!), the developers don't have to say that they delayed it again.
The news here is the reason why it is better for Nintendo not to release too detailed infographic on games which are not in the final stages of development.

@Captain_Gonru "as nothing but speculation. So I'm not opposed to guesses. I just usually separate them from my conjectures. And don't get me started on hypotheses."

Say it isn't so, this is how I read your every word.

@Tisteg80

I fully agree, I love Star Fox and can't wait to play it. However. I rather play it next year. I have plenty to play right now. It'll be great after Xenoblade X, and a make for a great 2016 alongside Zelda.

@Captain_Gonru Unix.

Chuckler? I'd bet $5 that's it's actual name. Did you see how "uni-sexual" Link looked in the original vid oh so long ago when people where questioning whether or not it was actually a girl?

They aren't going to name it "Unisex" now are they? Unix >>>> Fii.

No surprise, it looked like cancerous dog sh*t.

I'm glad I decided to wait until Christmas to give the kids Mario Maker.

No offence but Shigsy has said Pikmin 4 is nearly ready, an now he has to delay Starfox, talk about putting your foot in it.
I hope they are adding plenty of Features and even that multiplayer everyone has been after since Co Op was 'dropped' from Assault (they even had screenies of co op in the Official Nintendo mag at the time).
I don't mind the delay at all, as long as they do Starfox the Justice his IP deserves.

Also if the NX is the portable gamepad that some are speculating, it'll realise 4 player co op, that's right the whole flipping Starfox Team, working as a Team! yay.

I liked what I saw at E3, though I admit the only Star Fox I played was Adventures and it doesn't really count. Looks like it'll be great, and I look forward to it!

This clearly looked unpolished at E3 and when the general reaction didn't seemed too wowed, I'm sure they realized they had to go back to the drawing board. I always figured this wouldn't happen for 2015, I'm guessing May 2016.

makes me laff..everytime a game is delayed by nintendo its because they only release top notch stuff..not half baked cakes like most companys,,and wen i see nintendo fans saying,,,itll be on NX bla bla bla....educate yourself..no it wont be on nx cus that aint guna be here till xmas time 2017/2018... starfox and zelda are coming to wii u.theyve been delayed due to nintendo wanting to give us the best games they can,,,,RANT OVER

I am so glad Nintendo is listening to fan reactions now. Who knows if the graphics will be improved, as long as the final product is more polished then it's great news.

Not been fussed about this game so far. Glad now.

Maybe they realized the need to bump the graphics.

I've waited (patiently) for 9 long years, and I've already pre-ordered Star Fox on amazon. So If I gotta wait another few more months for a better product, it doesn't bother me much

@TobiasAmaranth stair fax adventures is horrible dude.

@TobiasAmaranth stair fax adventures is horrible dude.

@Captain_Gonru Thanks for that, had never seen it before. I'm rewriting my will to include - play POTA: The Musical at my wake.

claps sarcastically congratulations Nintendo, you have two games to offer people for the Wii U this holiday season, you truly suck Gee, I have no idea why people rather buy a ps4/ x1 instead of Wii U -_- The Nx better be better then the Wii U, cause I've lost all hope in you as of late.

@Captain_Gonru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n8BPv43vhE

My initial reaction to this was to chuckle in disbelief and laugh (which i did) but in the end I am actually ok with this too. For starters, between Mario Maker and Xenoblade in December on top of Plague of Shadows and replaying Skyward Sword, I already had enough games to play this year. Secondly, like everyone else on earth, I was disappointed with Fox Zero at E3 so the more polish and improvement, the better.

@SupremeAllah You linked to the static picture version, this one is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwWK9le2CD8

Not really surprised. Rather relieved. Could benefit the game a lot, as it'd be a shame if the first true AAA-Starfox in almost two decades would be anything but good. Besides, for me personally, 2015 has better titles coming and I had never bought Starfox this year.

Good news as more people will buy xenoblade now!

Star fox is no loss anyway

Hoo boy.

Oh, well. This makes it easier to focus on Xenoblade during the holidays.

@NightMoon you forgot sonic and zelda.

am I forgetting any?

@Squadallama still not buuing xenoblade, will get amiibo festival though GG.

might get xenoblade 3D though.

@hYdeks Umm we still have Yoshi, and not everybody has SMM/Splatoon.

Also amiibo festival lmao

Yeah, I think they just realized the game wasn't good enough. I hope they use the extra time to turn it into something worthwhile.

This makes sense I would rather have a true experience than a broken one!

NX to launch September 2016 with project cars deluxe, Xenoblade Chronicles NX, zelda NX, Starfox NX and several titles clearly in development including what retro Studios are currently working on.

@digga twilight princess delayed because we want to Polish it!! Of no wait, it's because we've overhauled the engine, developed wii controls ands want it also as a launch title for our successive console.

Mario bros wii 2 ended up being a launch title for wii u purely as mario bros wii u. Same with Pikmin 3.

Stop kidding yourself, nintebdo are a business and make decisions based on profitability. Why would you launch a aaa game on a console that's dead in the water when it has much more market potential being released on a console that is imminent and actually has a marketing budget?

@DESS-M-8
ure points are valid but nx wil not be released 2016 earliest 2017 there not guna take fox away and keep zelda n fox for nx wen its too far away ,,zelda maybe but starfox zero will be here around march im guessing,,,

UGH!

@digga you're point is right on star Fox. But I do think we'll see a definitive edition of star Fox at launch 6 months after the wii u version.

I think there is more than a 50/50 chance that we will see NX on shop shelves by November 2016