Topic: Xplay's Conduit video review - Funny!

@Kid A
No, the Wii doesn't have aim assist. No system does, for that matter. Wii FPS titles do, and titles such as COD 3, Red Steel, COD: WAW and Far Cry Vengence all over compensated. No one will argue that any FPS using a dpad does the same thing, but its more noticable with most Wii entries in the genre.

The Wiimote is precise, however difficulty to use. You must hold it perfectly straight and all, if you have an itch your aim goes all over the place. To me, the Wiimote is most precise, however the most annoying over the long term. My arm hurts after a few rounds of MoHH2.

With respect, I don't think it's even a case of mistakenly missing your point that games shouldn't be compared cross-platform when rating them because they have different controls. What I am missing though is why different controls matter at all when what you're comparing are things like storytelling and level design. It seems like a non sequitur to me to say that the stories are not comparable because the controllers are different.

That's what I've been attempting to express this whole time and would appreciate if you could explain - that is, if my allure hasn't run out yet I mean, ranking games is the same as rating them, since rated games fall into a natural hierarchy. And I would like to be able to say that TP was better than OoT, but Wind Waker was the best of the Zeldas.

Greetings, Clickety. Your allure is still holding up - no worries there. This thread however, that's another issue.
I see it this way. The story, the way it's told, and the design through which it's told are all valid targets for criticism, sure. But when that criticism is based upon comparison to other systems' titles that will never be released on this system, it become less relevant and shouldn't influence a reviewer's official score. I suspect reviewers' predilection to do so accounts for the systemically lower official ratings for The Conduit compared to the users' ratings, for example:
Metacritic 71, users 86
IGN (average) 7.8, users 8.4
Gamespot 6.5, users 7.3

I hope that helps better explain my opinion. Cheers, -V

, are you serious? that never happens to me, you sure youre not sticking ur arm out like a really straight pole when you're controlling or something? (not meant to be insulting) For me i dont even stick my arm out that far xD, i just sit, have my wiimote practically at my side, and can move fine like that. Of course, if i get more intense, the arm goes up lol

@DaDun: Sorry, allow me to to elaborate:

"My arm hurts after a few rounds of MOHH2 when I play all-out to win."

To get perfect aim, I must hold my arm steady, something I'm, unfortunately, rather poor at.

I don't see what the problem is with console comparisons, especially when it comes to a game like the Conduit. They wanted to treat their game like it's HD, let it be compared like one. In Conduit there are no microgames, you don't brandish a sword, and you don't even turn your wiimote like a key. Is this necessary? Of course not, but aside from decent turn speed and such, there is nothing wii-centric about this game and I feel the audience (like those that own more than one console) deserves to know that.

Yeah I think the Conduit deserved to be compared to other platform's shooters, because it was hyped up to be a 360/PS3 quality shooter. If it's generic and boring, I think it deserves a low score, regardless of what platform its on. Although, I've played it and the controls are nothing short of amazing. The online is pretty darn fun, too.

Wii fans have a bad habit of thinking aiming is all that matters in a FPS.

They must be confusing that with the ORS genre.

Why do you keep stereotyping wii fans as people who always do this and that. You're on the wii and ds gaming site here as well man, so you're not really excluded from the "wii fans" stereotypes you keep talking about.

Also, aiming i feel is very important in FPS, and any shooter, dont know what else you could think is more important, if you don't know where you're shooting or can't line up shots properly, thats a big problem...what else is more important to you for any type of shooter game, taking cover lol? I'm curious on your views here

My hypothesis is Wii fans harbor a hatred of the other consoles, so they say "Oh yeah, our aiming is great, dual analog sucks," just as 360 fans harbor their hatred of "the kiddy console with horrible graphics." So in order to boost up their console, they must compliment the aiming. That's my guess.

Anyways, there is far more important stuff than aiming. Aiming is perfect in all shooters pretty much, so that's not an issue. Let me say something. I love CoD4. It quickly became one of my favorite games of all time. It's not the aiming, or the online, or the realistic graphics. It's the campaign, it it's shocking twists and moments that send chills up your spine "only the way gaming could" (GameTrailers). It makes you go, to copy the words of a random SAS soldier in the game:

"Shit! What the hell just happened!"

OK, how bout my hypothesis now. my hypothesis is that wii fans are individuals who have their own opinions and shouldnt be stereotyped into hating other consoles, cuz i know a lot of wii owners who don't care or don't hate other consoles. Xbox 360 and PS3 fans are the same way, individuals who shouldnt have their views compacted into one stereotype of thinking because many dont fit that stereotype people here seem to be so sure about.

And yes, aiming to me (it is my opinion) is much more important. Not so many people buy an FPS for the story, to be honest (if you want story, many people will go for RPG or adventure games...IN MOST CASES). And even if you do buy it for story, if aiming sucks, or is too sluggish/slow to use, the game as a whole isn't nearly as enjoyable (when you start dieing a ton since you can't aim quickly enuf to fend off your foes, most times that annoys people.) Also, i must add, many people THAT I KNOW, buy an fps for multiplayer WAY MORE than single player...come on, the real meat of an fps isn't to make a story super engaging, its to make a masssive online multiplayer, and sometimes some fun local ones. So sorry, i politely disagree with the views i've heard here so far.

This thread's been all over the map, to be sure. But DaDun's right to criticize all the stereotyping going on here. There's bound to be a lot of overlap in preferences, sure, but to say all Wii fans are this or all Xbox fans are that or all PS3 fans are the other thing is just sloppy debate and doesn't advance the dialog in a meaningful way.

Heck, don't aplogize for having a different opinion. Even if I don't agree with you that doesn't mean you can't express it.

O lol sorry, i guess im not super sorry I just like to say things like that so then when the person responds i have made it clear that i disagree but i am also making it clear that it is not an attack so then they can't say why are you attacking my posts, which to me isn't worth starting another argument over lol. But you're right. thanks.

EDIT"Also i didnt mean so sorry as in im SOOOOO super sorry i feel bad", i meant it as in "so, i dont agree with what you've said, sorry to say." (i should have actually said that instead )

My hypothesis is just, that, a hypothesis, a guess, an assumption. Whether it's true or not is not important, it was to show that single console owners tend to fight for their console more passionately than one who owns multiple.

@DaDun: But the thing is, the aiming isn't sluggish. Aiming, in every top of the line FPS is perfect. If dual analog is too sluggish, up your sensitivity. I'm sorry, but that is not a valid argument. If The Conduit played with dual analog, it would be just the same precision. And yes, multiplayer is what a majority of people buy FPS for, which brings me to my biggest (and main) hatred of the Conduit: online is terrible. Almost every game I get in it lags, and glitches are numerous. It might be perfectly fine with people who don't have experience in the fluid FPS of other consoles, but to a multi-console owner, it's a major flaw. And before you say it's my connection, know this: I have a 4-bar lag-free connection on all online games when I use my 360. Oh, and I actually fairly enjoyed the Conduit's single player experience. The controls were a whole new experience, and it was fun while it lasted. But I must look at this game as a $50 dollar package, advertised to be the Wii's savior by bringing a 360/PS3-quality FPS with 360-like graphics and fluid online to the little white console. It doesn't do well.

Don't get me wrong, the Conduit's not bad. It's simply average. Run of the mill. It's only noteworthy quality is the sheer numbers of fans that take it for what it is advertised. I suppose I'm being hard on the game, it's just I'm more than satisfied with top of the line FPS, one of which places the users skill in combat (Halo) and one of which places the users skill in strategy and hunting (Call of Duty). It would take a truly marvelous FPS for me to stop playing these two, something which The Conduit is not. I know I won't get anywhere with this post, it's like going into a 360 forum and saying "Halo sucks," but I find it almost necessary to add an opinion to this that can hopefully make some people realize where a game has it's faults.

I'm afraid this is going to be my last post in this thread. I'm tired of arguing my opinion of The Conduit on Wii forums since the game's launch and feel that I have contributed everything I can to the subject. Chao.

Alright man, see ya, glad to hear your views but i dont think people were going to start a halo hate thread lol. But you are right in the sense that dual analog and wiimote control will always be debated lol, whatever someone is used to is often different than others. I use wiimotes for fps' so im used to it and really find no problems, my neighbour uses ps3 six axis controllers, and hes used to it with no problems, we switch control styles at each others houses, and it becomes an argument of what sucks and what is best lol, its just the way it is i guess Nice talking to u, and still, add me on the conduit anyways if you can

Halo sucks.

WHY MUST U DEFY ME LOL

I haven't actually watched it yet, or read all the comments, but after reading the first dozen comments, I need to make this point:

@Vendetta: The game was hyped by High-Voltage Software themselves as supposedly being comparable to the games on other consoles. They said it first (last year), that was their goal, so of course reviews should be allowed to make that comparison, and should especially do so in this case,