Again with the comparisons to FPS's on other systems. Like... WHY? And it's always about the "realism" (read graphics), too. Look, if you have another system and want to play games on them where you can see brains splashing out, taste the blood spraying in your face, smell the gunsmoke, and hear the clothing rip as you knife your enemy to a slow death, then hey, that's cool. But this is a Wii game, exclusive to the Wii, for people that own a Wii, who want a unique (for now) FPS experience on the Wii. Why should a review of ANY game on ANY system contain ANY mention of ANY other game? I feel that a reviewer should stick to the game he's revewing and not drag out other games on other systems for comparison, unless there a borderline-criminally direct rip-off in progress.
@Vendetta Well, the extra power the systems bring aren't all about graphics. A stronger system also allows for more enemies on screen at once as well as more intangible differences, such as bullet penetration, enemy A.I and weapon effects (alright, so that last one could fall under graphics)
@Chatham Yeah, don't you hate it when a game gets a totally fair review?
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@Fox: I'm with ya, but c'mon, for Wii owners (note that this should be exclusively the audience for the review, as The Conduit is a Wii-exclusive title), it is an outstanding FPS. The comparisons with other games on other systems are analagous to debates about operating systems and applications for different computing platforms. They're not relevant to the discussion because we're talking about a Wii game, not which platform to purchase said game (e.g. Ghostbusters). That said, I'd love it if there were a supercharged Wii that could hang with the PS3's potency and drive sick games like this while retaining the Wii's control scheme. Maybe next round.
I really hate X-Play and G4TV. They're Nintendo haters. I wish that they gave equal time to all platforms. However, I was never all that excited about the Conduit anyway. That being said, that review was pretty funny
Amen, its truth, thats why its called competition, you make a system to compete with the rest, its the same way a lot of us wii guys say these controls are bogus on other consoles (i know not all of us, but wii controls are viewed as cooler in general) so if we say that others should be allowed to say their piece about our console. An eye for an eye i guess XD
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Because you say so, Alex? Forgive me if I don't blindly agree.
You're placing everything on the same spectrum of judgement, when the market has defined another method. Not everyone is going to go out and purchase an Xbox to race or a PS3 to shoot 'em up against more numerous oponents and in crystal clear HD.
The Wii has outsold the Xbox and PS3 by tens of millions. I only mention this to illustrate that there are millions for whom the Wii is their sole console. By your logic, those millions of users would have to sort through reviews cluttered by comparisons to other games on other systems in which they may have no interest. I'm one of those people. I see The Conduit received a 7 here on Nintendo Life - which I won't debate here. If I were to say to myself, "hmmm... only a 7. I'll go find the one that's an 8 or a 9," then... what, go purchase, at significant cost, an entirely different system that doesn't offer the control methods for which I obtained a Wii to begin with?
I understand the temptation to compare like products. BMW versus Mercedes versus Porsche, etc. But this isn't quite the same as the controls are different. More like a car to a motorcycle.
Again with the comparisons to FPS's on other systems. Like... WHY? And it's always about the "realism" (read graphics), too. Look, if you have another system and want to play games on them where you can see brains splashing out, taste the blood spraying in your face, smell the gunsmoke, and hear the clothing rip as you knife your enemy to a slow death, then hey, that's cool.
Something tells me you haven't played games on another system.
They compare it to games on other systems so that people who only have a Wii are able to gauge not only how good of a Wii game it is, but how good of a game it is this gen. I don't think that's useless information. Each console isn't conceived in a vacuum. FPS should be stacked up against FPS across all plats. Same goes for every genre.
People (maybe not you) want to know how good of a game this is relative to other games - has it solved problems that were in those other games, does it do a certain feature better or worse, is the campaign better, does the multiplayer have more options, etc.
Something tells me you haven't played games on another system.
And you'd be largely correct, as I've only dabbled with them and was nonplussed by their control schemes. I can respect comparison to other games on other systems for the examples you cite, but not for calculation of the overall score, which I sustain should be system-specific - if at least for the Wii, given its unique controls.
Well, how do you know it was used to calculate the overall score?
In any case, you can't really help but make cross-plat comparisons. After all, earlier games on earlier plats in a genre set standards and precedents for what is expected of that genre. Halo set a lot of standards as to what is expected of console FPS, control-wise, online-wise, and even campaign-wise (i.e. vehicle sections, annoying invisible enemies, idiot friendly AI...)
Besides, isn't the Wii's control system touted as better and more intuitive than dual analog and closer to KBAM? Well, then how can it possibly escape comparison to recent dual-analog shooters on the other two consoles?
I don't know it was used to calculate the score, but if the reviewer doing the calculating includes such comparisons, it only stands to reason that they would influence the score. Regardless, I don't make that assertion here.
Again, I get and agree with what you're saying about standards, breaking new ground, etc. But slapping your remote into a gun shell and pulling triggers to shoot stuff is a whole 'nother control scheme (I'm exclusively using a Zapper for The Conduit), and not comparable to others, including keyboard and mouse... in my estimation, anyway.
But he doesn't compare the controls specifically. He just compares the quality of the game. Sure, it beats out other Wii games control-wise, but that doesn't mean it compares favourably to games on other plats, due to the cliched story. And I really don't see what's wrong with that. If you're going to call the story cliched, you have to compare it to other games to show that it's been done before and that FPS have moved beyond that on other systems.
Just because the Wii has very few FPS doesn't mean any FPS game on it should get a free pass due to lack of games to compare it to. If that were the case, all launch games on a system would get 10s because there'd be nothing to compare them to.
But he doesn't compare the controls specifically...
My point exactly, thank you. The controls are why I'm stating that it not be directly compared to games on other systems.
... so we can't compare story-lines and enemy AI because you use your hands differently?
You said, "I can respect comparison to other games on other systems for the examples you cite" and "I get and agree with what you're saying about standards, breaking new ground". Now clearly you must have been just saying that to be polite if you really think that games cannot be compared cross-platform because they have different control schemes.
I guess we may as well change the topic name to clicketyclick vs vendetta xD. It is a hard topic to debate though. Since graphics are lacking sure, but u cant beat the controls on wii for me at least, i like motion. AND YES IVE PLAYED BOTH a 360 (halo 3) and a ps3 (my neighbour has one, ive played lots on it)
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