Topic: This sickens me!

Ok let me try again.

Needed = the game is impossible on any other console or platform. The nature of the game and its design demands motion controls.

Not needed = motions could theoretically each be replaced with button presses, D-pad presses, or analog-stick movement, considering each motion control on its own and individually, one at a time. (i.e. Could the attack wiimote shake be mapped to A? Yes. Could the counter-strike be mapped to A? Yes. Could the jump be mapped to A? Yes.) I mean, even if you would run out of buttons in practice, you could always use a GC or classic controller like a number of games have already done.

"the game is impossible on any other console or platform."

Is there any game that is impossible on any other console?

All I'm trying too say is that the Wii is supposed to have motion controls in its games. Some games are more suited for it than others.
Motion controls are the future and its becoming more popular as we speak since not only has Microsoft joined the competition but so has Sony. Motion are not needed but they are a new way to play games and really their better epecially if the devs know exactly what their doing like Nintendo knows what their doing along with others.

SSBB wasn't the awesome "evergreen" title Nintendo expected. Hince the reason they closed the Smash Service but continue Mario Kart Wii's tournaments.

Games without motion controls can be great. It's just a bit silly for Wii to have so many games without it. It's actually becoming a trend almost. I hate bad motion too, but really use some imagination. If someone makes a game without good/any motion on Wii, I don't want to hear "games don't sell and I don't know why". There's your answer. I can actually guess at this point what games on Wii will sell and which won't. WWE fail, Arc Rise Fantasia fail, Dead Space win, Red Steel 2 win. That has nothing to do with personal taste. Just an educated guess.

@cliketyclick

Do you own a Wii? If so, why? Games like SSBB and SMG are few and far between. Ninty is smart as there is motion in SMG called the Trial Galaxy, likely an experiment for future projects. Yes, whether people want to embrace it or not, motion is the future. Heard of Natal? Balance Board? Whatever it is Sony is making. Like it or not there will come a time when we all have to get off the coach to play games.

Motion controls are fine as long as they work and are responsive they can add another level of immersion not currently possible on other consoles.It's when they are broken or are just not required that they begin to lose their appeal.I think with wii motion plus now available that we can see the potential of motion control truly flourish(see WSR), yet games will still come out with crap controls.It is all in the hands of the developers.But to say that you bought a Wii but didn't like motion controls makes no sense to me ,you may as well just buy a gamecube or go with one of the HD consoles.

This^^ is wrong...way wrong.
SSBB as not only Game of the Year over Mario Kart in every Game reviewing site/magazine but it was THE fastest Nintendo game of all time.
Brawl's online servers are crap end of story. Mario Kart's are amazing. Facts are Facts and your opinion is not.

"If someone makes a game without good/any motion on Wii, I don't want to hear games don't sell and I don't know why"
Madworld.
Takes so much out of the Wiimote and Nunchuck and it even appealed to hardcore gamers, and it sold 66,000 copies in the first month it was released and that was March, 2009. Games that that are good Brandon sell well and yes Madworld is a fantastic game and I have yet to realize why it didn't sell well. Saying Arc Rise Fantasia and WWE 2010 are going to fail because they don't use motion is utter ignorance. It's like saying "Kirby 64 is going to fail because it doesn't use the analog stick to control Kirby" back when that game came out every game pretty much used the analog stick and it didn't and is one of my fav. Kirby games.

Brawl doesn't use motion and Galaxy barely uses motion and they are the 2 best and highly rated games on the Wii.

@ Brandonwii,
What do you think would happen if the game had motion controls? It would be an utter wagglefest! Do you want that?

Didn't think so.

@Nintendork
Have you played the WWE 2008 or 09? It's a complete waggle fest. Yes its sorta fun in all but totally hurts arms when you wake up lol

I love reading opinions from ppl who have obvioulsy never played the game - the internet is precious, isn't it.

Had you played it - you would realise how well motion was built into that games control - from pull stars, to star bits, to star bit shooting, to saving a button with thematic spin controls(turning spigots, spinning ghost by their tounges, ice skating, flower flying, screw loosening, etc) to various sub gaming elements like the ball balance - on and on it goes. Even to 2 player simultaneous play - a hand from the otherworld interacting with Marios - genius!

It made the game clikity click, I suggest you try it someday, you may even enjoy it...

Motion has been used to great effect in the majority of great wii games - deal with it lady.....

Um... Eugene all of that you listed can be performed by one shake of the wii remote and shooting star bits and collecting them is point and click interface. So you just made ClicketyChick's point.

@mrmcawber
Haha I love your signature. IGNorant thats a classic. Gotta write that one down haha.

Uh - no - port the game to a GC controller and you lose all the charm - you want to control the pointer with c-stick???? Good luck with that. There is nothing wrong with waggle when it is iplemeted properly - in MArio Galaxy it is thematic and intuitive, you use it to spin Mario to operate apperatus and interact with in game elements - it fits like a glove.

Even at its simplest like MArio Kart wimoe/nunchuck style - it saves a button and is quick and easy to do - it IS an imporvement.

If you are going to have a sour stomach (not you, I mean any of us) have something worth being sour about. My #1 complaint of this board...Applying false laws and rules about gaming in regard to what motion 'should' be is stuff and nonsense - why piss on what works???

Point made, I hope point taken, I can do no more!

Ya some games are impossible. Boom Blox, for example. And a lot of reviews pointed that out. There are some other games that are impossible on other consoles, but only because of IR pointer (like LostWinds and NyxQuest).

We're essentially saying the same thing, actually. You say some games are more suited to motion controls than others. I said motion controls suit maybe 1 out of a 100 games (a bit of an exaggeration but my point is that it usually doesn't suit the game.)

I'll prove to you that we agree. You said, "the Wii is supposed to have motion controls in its games". Since wii games are supposed to have motion and really emphasise it cuz that's the big deal about the Wii and the future of gaming, yet Ninty's core IPs have very minimal motion controls, what could be the explanation for that? Well, you've already ruled out the possibility of incompetence, because you said, "Nintendo knows what they're doing". So, then how about it: they realise that motion controls really aren't suited to most of their games and would detract from them.

Oh, and by the way, thank you for replying to Mr. Macabre on my behalf.

Oh you got me. You're right, I don't. I play my Wii games on my microwave.

Sure there is a chance they'll overheat, but I like to look on the bright side: all my games now smell like kraft dinner.

Sometimes I wonder why you have been banned 3 times and unbanned the exact same number of times.

@MrMicawber-Eugene, I had played some games with horrible motion controls [like Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games], so a game that only uses traditonal controls is not a bad idea. Motion control can either help a game or harm it.

@Clickety its 1 vs 100, and you're the 1, how are you feeling right now
@Chrono&Clickety I like how u disagree without insulting each other, i actually found a lot of that fun to read and picked up a few new ways of thinking

Motion controls is our future, but let analog stick co-exist too. Motion Controls strangely makes things more entertaining.

I realized i didnt actually comment on the topic on my last comment lol

Anyway, motion controls i am fine with, but i have nothing against dual analog, i may think some shooters arent as great with dual analog before tweaking stuff, but after a bit, theyre just fine. It also depends a lot on the game, some games on wii i wish could just be dual vc analog, but some i think implement motion well. The only real problem i do have is the fact that motion controller vs dual analog has divided the options for what games come to wii and what games come to ps3/xbox 360, like blazblue, which i think could graphically kind of be made on wii quite well (See guilty gear xx accent core) but since the default wii control is wiimote and nunchuck, they may have not given it to wii owners for that reason that "we dont want to force people to buy a dual analog vc controller to play our product". (wii mote side ways wouldnt work either, not enough attack buttons)

"Ya some games are impossible. Boom Blox, for example. And a lot of reviews pointed that out."
Until the Sony's Wand comes out then we'll see EA port it and yes it would be possible on other platforms for example the Nintendo DS. Touch screen controls.

Motion controls suit all sorts of genres of games like I've said previously before but apparently you've failed to read that part.
Let me say it again: FPS, TPS(Third person shooters), Sports games, Racing games and party games. All feel really comfortable to play on Wii rather than the competition. I've never played a Wii game of any sort that felt uncomfortable to play with the Wiimote or Nunchuck.

^^I like this