Didn't they mention they were unifying the rating system a bit back for all of the west?
I believe Nintendo was working with some other companies to create a new rating system, but I think it was more for digital games, to make it quicker, cheaper, and easier for indie developers. Not sure how it would affect retail releases.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
That stuff is a lot more tame than you probably imagine from those two words alone.
Really...most of the stuff in the game is nowhere near as bad as in a ton of Japanese media, it's not like they rub t&a in your face every other minute, ATLUS actually handled that kinda stuff well and without over sexualizing the characters.
Oh, stop trying to overcomplicate the issue! You sound like a freakin' Young Republican and Speech & Debate club member.
When Tales of Symphonia had its beach sequence it was about sexuality, when Muramasa had hot springs conversations it was concerning sexuality, when Issun said anything in Okami... it wasn't not about sexuality.
Look, they write this stuff to appeal to teenage boys. I would know, I was there once. So for you to pretend that that's not the context... that's just willful ignorance.
Not sure why you're linking to random twitter posts, but cleavage ≠ sex. Women's bodies aren't inherently sexual things.
Reposting a link to a twitter post of someone who has presumably imported the game is random?
Alright, you utterly thorough pseudo-intellectual; let's play. FE: F-Sharp: SMT: #T is an pop idol concert-set game. As such the obsessed photographer is probably either a fanatic fan or a gravure photographer (hence the bikinis), both of which are common tropes which connote sexuality. So it's not me saying that women are sexual objects, but rather the setting being widely known for implying sexual contexts in anime / manga / gaming pop culture. Moreover, Fire Emblem is a series known for character romance, marriage, and child rearing—rendering the characters' bodies as very sexual things in regard to how they function within the game.
@Ryu_Niiyama:
Lol... Come on. I seriously doubt people would pop $60 on this game to see animated cleavage. But maybe, who knows.
As for me, of course I'm interested in the gameplay. Game looks awesome.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
So they change their ages to make them adults but still censor the outfits. Sounds like Treehouse logic alright.
As usual, I don't give a crap about swimsuits and such personally, but the fact remains that this is censorship, and cancerous. It doesn't effect what I enjoy in a game on this occasion, but sometime down the line it will. Like when they edit/cut out dialogue in Fire Emblem games about a character's messed up childhood/past, how many people they've killed, etc. Keep defending this bullcrap and fear not, your time to be ticked off at patronising western changes will arrive.
@LinkSword: The problem is that there are two sides to the problem. I agree about censorship, in a perfect world that wouldn't exist. However, they want to cater to as much people as possible, and if it takes a little editing to lower the age rating, then that makes sense as well. Blame ESRB for the tight restrictions. So yeah, it's stupid, but I understand why they're doing it. The game, and plenty of other JRPGs as well, are already pretty niche in the west, in order to justify the localisation costs, they need to cater to as much people as possible.
@Ryu_Niiyama:
Lol... Come on. I seriously doubt people would pop $60 on this game to see animated cleavage. But maybe, who knows.
Yeah, we're on the internet, we can get so much more for free.
I love bringing this gif out
That would actually be a pretty cool powerup for a Galaxy-like 3D Mario. It would have the same properties as Boo Mario but if you touch any sort of liquid then you're damaged (like how touching water as Bee Mario in Galaxy 1 and 2 makes him lose the transformation). Other combination powerups would work too like combining spring and ice Mario where you have the properties of spring Mario but can walk on water.
@LinkSword: The problem is that there are two sides to the problem. I agree about censorship, in a perfect world that wouldn't exist. However, they want to cater to as much people as possible, and if it takes a little editing to lower the age rating, then that makes sense as well. Blame ESRB for the tight restrictions. So yeah, it's stupid, but I understand why they're doing it. The game, and plenty of other JRPGs as well, are already pretty niche in the west, in order to justify the localisation costs, they need to cater to as much people as possible.
See, that argument does nothing but highlight another piece of Nintendo's lies and hipocrisy on this matter. If they want the game to cater to as many people as possible, how come they're keeping the original audio? Clearly a dub does better with western audiences overall, but they stated they were keeping the audio as is ''to respect the original Japan setting''. Now, I know for a fact that's a bogus statement because Atlus have never cared for the niche fandom before - just look at how many of their RPGs take place exclusively in Japan and how almost hundred percent of them are dubbed only - and all there is to it is a lack of budget due to poor expected sales, but the point is, Nintendo is selling the original audio element on that note.
So, allegedly they're respecting the original audio to appeal to the niche audience, but on the other hand they're censoring content to appeal to the mainstream/a wider audience thus straying away from the niche appeal? Please tell me I'm not the only one screaming ''objection'' at this in a very Ace Attorney-ish manner.
The problem is that there are two sides to the problem. I agree about censorship, in a perfect world that wouldn't exist. However, they want to cater to as much people as possible, and if it takes a little editing to lower the age rating, then that makes sense as well. Blame ESRB for the tight restrictions. So yeah, it's stupid, but I understand why they're doing it. The game, and plenty of other JRPGs as well, are already pretty niche in the west, in order to justify the localisation costs, they need to cater to as much people as possible.
In general and probably off topic I always see when you try to make something for everyone it then starts becoming nothing to no one, for example with Mickey Mouse when he became the mascot for Disney it down played his mischievous side to become this bland cheerful everyman as to not alienate families and his popularity has never truly recovered with his status only maintained as a figurehead through Disney marketing.
You can only water something down so much before it loses it's flavour, could you imagine if they decided to try a get a lower age rating for GTA and started removing more of the controversial elements, it sells would plummet.
@LinkSword: They're keeping the original audio because it saves them a lot of money, it's as simple as that. Whatever they say is obviously just PR talk.
The idea isn't that the censorship itself is going to cater to a wider audience, it's that a lower age rating will make the game available to a larger audience, and that's the key point. If ESRB didn't have such tight regulations, and if the game as it is could pass as a teen rated game instead of a mature for example, then they wouldn't even have bothered censoring things.
I don't think this is about what Nintendo think is the ''right'' thing to do, it's just that there's a low budget for localisation and on top of that they want to avoid the mature rating (or adult, whatever it's called in NA). Not saying I agree, but I understand why they're doing it.
In general and probably off topic I always see when you try to make something for everyone it then starts becoming nothing to no one, for example with Mickey Mouse when he became the mascot for Disney it down played his mischievous side to become this bland cheerful everyman as to not alienate families and his popularity has never truly recovered with his status only maintained as a figurehead through Disney marketing.
You can only water something down so much before it loses it's flavour, could you imagine if they decided to try a get a lower age rating for GTA and started removing more of the controversial elements, it sells would plummet.
And I don't disagree.
The difference; however, is that GTA has a huge following. This Persona - Fire Emblem crossover doesn't (not even in Japan judging by sales). The fact that it's exclusive to just the 12 million Wii U userbase doesn't help either. And it's Nintendo. They would rather not take a gamble and they will try to increase the potential number of buyers if that's what it takes to bring this game over.
@LinkSword: They're keeping the original audio because it saves them a lot of money, it's as simple as that. Whatever they say is obviously just PR talk.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I know it was kind of a tangent to what we were discussing, but I wanted to bring it up to make it clearer why I'm not trusting Nintendo in anything they do or say when it comes to matters such as removed content.
The idea isn't that the censorship itself is going to cater to a wider audience, it's that a lower age rating will make the game available to a larger audience, and that's the key point. If ESRB didn't have such tight regulations, and if the game as it is could pass as a teen rated game instead of a mature for example, then they wouldn't even have bothered censoring things.
Look, swimsuits or not the game wasn't going to get an adult/mature rating. Xenoblade X had revealing swimsuits for every character except for Lin in the west - on top of an arguably darker setting and such, - yet it was rated Teen in the US and 12+ in Europe. That is just not a valid argument.
Not to mention the opposite case. Fatal Frame was a game that'd get the Adult/18+ rating in any case, yet there was this whole debacle about the censored outfits and so on.
So what I am getting at is that censorship is not subordinate to getting a lower age rating for the game. It's just a self-imposed policy of Nintendo in order to either avoid outrages from western media, keep to their prudish standards, or both. But in any case the final idea is to make controversy not hurt the games' sales directly via the censorship, and not indirectly by getting a lower rating.
What's funny is that 10 maybe 15 years ago we would know nothing of what's censored unless we really did some digging. I really don't get or care what they censor as long as they don't mess with gameplay and even then so what as long as the core game remains the same and entertains.
John 8:7 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.
MERG said:
If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.
@LinkSword: Well, maybe that's the reason why they're doing this. Kinda hard to tell until we know what ESRB will rate the game as. Perhaps it is to keep their ''for everyone'' image.
When GTA V was announced, the game got some pretty nasty criticism, up to the point where it was even removed from certain stores. It's all BS in my opinion, but maybe that's what Nintendo is trying to avoid.
@Spoony_Tech: Ignorance is bliss and all that, but that doesn't make it a good thing. I'd rather have a better grasp of what the company selling software to me does, than just take the games no questions asked. And again, the core problem with censorship is that we know where it starts but not where it'll end - we look the other way when it comes to this kind of fluff that we personally don't care for, but censored content won't always hit far from home.
@Octane: Honestly, if at this point in time Nintendo are still concerned about keeping that image, that doesn't bode well at all for its future.
Not sure why you're linking to random twitter posts, but cleavage ≠ sex. Women's bodies aren't inherently sexual things.
Reposting a link to a twitter post of someone who has presumably imported the game is random?
Alright, you utterly thorough pseudo-intellectual; let's play. FE: F-Sharp: SMT: #T is an pop idol concert-set game. As such the obsessed photographer is probably either a fanatic fan or a gravure photographer (hence the bikinis), both of which are common tropes which connote sexuality. So it's not me saying that women are sexual objects, but rather the setting being widely known for implying sexual contexts in anime / manga / gaming pop culture. Moreover, Fire Emblem is a series known for character romance, marriage, and child rearing—rendering the characters' bodies as very sexual things in regard to how they function within the game.
Linking to a random twitter post that has nothing to do with what we're discussing is random, yes. I wasn't discussing a photographer.
Women having sex and bearing children does not, in some weird way, turn them into sex objects.
Also, this series only borrows lightly from the FE series, much to the consternation of fans of that series, so pointing out what happens in FE is off-topic anyhow.
@LinkSword: I mean, it's not surprising that they're losing on the gaming market share. Not saying that this is the reason, but Nintendo as a company is quite conservative. It doesn't surprise me anymore.
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