I just had a thought. Instead of arguing whether or not Square-Enix would consider porting FFXV to the Wii U, let's just imagine that they are strongly considering it. Who would be in support of this in that situation?
I'm all for more people getting access to games that they want to play so long as the company behind it wants to do so. I don't know if I'd personally get it on Wii U, though. By the time it comes out, I'll probably own a PS4 or XB1, and at that point I'd probably get the game on one of those, since the game will likely be better on those. If it's not, then cool, I'll get it on Wii U.
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Square Enix can strongly consider porting VII-IX to the 3DS and putting the GBA ports of IV-VI on the VC. Then they can strongly consider putting KH 1.5, 2.5, and maybe FFX/X-2 HD on Wii U.
Oh, Chrono Cross on 3DS too plz.
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@CaviarMeths Square Enix should try an HD version of the First Crystal Chronicles and/or a port of Final Fantasy X HD on the Wii U to test the market. That should be a good indication of the potential sales of FFXV on the Wii U.
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It depends on what they're basing their demand on. We don't even have any information about that, so as far as this forum goes, it's an opinion.
I doubt Final XV is going to make that much money anyway on the PS4 and Xbox One seeing as they are digging themselves a hole of little profit return with their development costs. Might as well port it to Wii U if possible to do it cost effectively to maximize sale opportunity.
I doubt Final XV is going to make that much money anyway on the PS4 and Xbox One seeing as they are digging themselves a hole of little profit return with their development costs. Might as well port it to Wii U if possible to do it cost effectively to maximize sale opportunity.
They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. I don't care if Tetsuya Nomura's dream for this game can only be "achieved on next gen hardware". Square Enix does not have the money to be playing around like this. They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. They had the hype cranked to the max when it was a PS3 exclusive. This isn't me being a Sony fanboy. This is me being concerned about SE's financial life.
Can you imagine how bad its gonna be for Square Enix if this game FLOPS? I'm sure they would eventually recover but they really need this game to be good.
I doubt Final XV is going to make that much money anyway on the PS4 and Xbox One seeing as they are digging themselves a hole of little profit return with their development costs. Might as well port it to Wii U if possible to do it cost effectively to maximize sale opportunity.
They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. I don't care if Tetsuya Nomura's dream for this game can only be "achieved on next gen hardware". Square Enix does not have the money to be playing around like this. They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. They had the hype cranked to the max when it was a PS3 exclusive. This isn't me being a Sony fanboy. This is me being concerned about SE's financial life.
Can you imagine how bad its gonna be for Square Enix if this game FLOPS? I'm sure they would eventually recover but they really need this game to be good.
I'm not even sure they could bounce back. I'm sure it would be the end of Final Fantasy single player campaign style as we all know and love the series. They would go back to the MMO style I guarantee that. I really hope the game is successful but I just don't see it. Bioshock Infinite sold really well and Irrational games didn't even bring that much in for it.
I doubt Final XV is going to make that much money anyway on the PS4 and Xbox One seeing as they are digging themselves a hole of little profit return with their development costs. Might as well port it to Wii U if possible to do it cost effectively to maximize sale opportunity.
They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. I don't care if Tetsuya Nomura's dream for this game can only be "achieved on next gen hardware". Square Enix does not have the money to be playing around like this. They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. They had the hype cranked to the max when it was a PS3 exclusive. This isn't me being a Sony fanboy. This is me being concerned about SE's financial life.
Can you imagine how bad its gonna be for Square Enix if this game FLOPS? I'm sure they would eventually recover but they really need this game to be good.
I'm not even sure they could bounce back. I'm sure it would be the end of Final Fnatasy single player campaign style as we all know and love the series. THey would go back to the MMO style I guarantee that. I really hope the game is successful but I just don't see it. Bioshock Infinite sold really well and Irrational games didn't even bring that much in for it.
No, those are important features that anyone who has used any other online service - Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, even iOS of all things will have taken for granted. You can't expect people to want to play games online when they can't talk to their friends unless they're all playing the same game in the same party. It's much more difficult to organize matches, and honestly, a lot of people play games as a social activity these days. And no, running up people's phone bills is not the answer to that.
Steam is not really an example, since it's still PC, which has external programs for voice chat. But that's because it's a multimedia device. And just because Sony and Microsoft do it doesn't mean everyone has to. So why not use phones for what they were built (or Skype)?
Generally, that's simply laziness from players. There are so many ways of communicating, but despite pretty much all gamers nowadays owning a PC or smartphone, consoles also have to offer what those do? I think you miss the point of gaming consoles (hint: it's gaming). During online gaming, voice chat of course is a neccessity for swift organization, but preparing matches can be done anywhere.
Achievements, regardless of what you think of them, exist as an option to extend the longevity of a game. It's more content, and its harder to justify spending the same amount of money for a game with no achievements since it means less content than one with achievements. Some people like to make the most of the money they have, and Nintendo is just making that harder when they don't offer a universal system like that.
Okay, let me get that straight - you call show-off awards, which dev's are forced to implement, and which have no connection to the actual game (since the game itself doesn't give you anything for that), content?
The word is fake longevity. If a game requires rewards outside of the game itself to motivate a player, then it's already a flawed concept, since that inevitably means the game is too weak to motivate for itself. And if a player needs them to maintain interest in a game, then he either fails to appreciate the game for what it actually offers in terms of content, or the game isn't good enough to keep you interested.
What a sad, pointlessly hostile post this is. There isn't even really any point in arguing against it, because apparently everyone who doesn't value the same things that you do is an idiot.
Seek help.
You're really making it easy for yourself.
I never said that anyone who doesn't share my opinion (or, as you said, value the same things that I do,) is an idiot. That's just you trying to invalidate my opinion with a desparate jump.
@CaviarMeths Square Enix should try an HD version of the First Crystal Chronicles and/or a port of Final Fantasy X HD on the Wii U to test the market. That should be a good indication of the potential sales of FFXV on the Wii U.
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I never said that anyone who doesn't share my opinion (or, as you said, value the same things that I do,) is an idiot. That's just you trying to invalidate my opinion with a desparate jump.
Achievements are completely stupid, since they never affect gameplay quality or user experience, and those who want achievements because their games would be boring without them are just cheap.
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Media features have nothing to do with gaming, and surrendering to the idiotic masses by supporting it would be pointless.
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There's no point to it other than (once again) appealing to people who love gimmicks - and gimmick-lovers don't know what actually enhances gaming.
In all three of these, you name a feature that is worthless to you and then follow it up with a insulting, sweeping generalization about those who do appreciate them. People who like achievements are cheap. People who like media features are among the idiotic masses. People who like "gimmicks" (cross-game voice chat, in this case) are ignorant of real gaming.
Your opinion is valid and what you value in a console is equally valid. I only pointed out that your comments were needlessly hostile and that debating would be pointless, as you view those who value extra features as cheap, idiotic, and ignorant. If you feel like the validity of your opinion is threatened by the mere mention of it being hostile, then it probably wasn't a very confident opinion in the first place anyway.
In all three of these, you name a feature that is worthless to you and then follow it up with a insulting, sweeping generalization about those who do appreciate them. People who like achievements are cheap. People who like media features are among the idiotic masses. People who like "gimmicks" (cross-game voice chat, in this case) are ignorant of real gaming.
Your opinion is valid and what you value in a console is equally valid. I only pointed out that your comments were needlessly hostile and that debating would be pointless, as you view those who value extra features as cheap, idiotic, and ignorant. If you feel like the validity of your opinion is threatened by the mere mention of it being hostile, then it probably wasn't a very confident opinion in the first place anyway.
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Hm, looking at it that way, I see what you mean. I guess I really should refrain from that. Thanks and sorry.
No, those are important features that anyone who has used any other online service - Steam, Xbox Live, PSN, even iOS of all things will have taken for granted. You can't expect people to want to play games online when they can't talk to their friends unless they're all playing the same game in the same party. It's much more difficult to organize matches, and honestly, a lot of people play games as a social activity these days. And no, running up people's phone bills is not the answer to that.
Steam is not really an example, since it's still PC, which has external programs for voice chat. But that's because it's a multimedia device. And just because Sony and Microsoft do it doesn't mean everyone has to. So why not use phones for what they were built (or Skype)?
Generally, that's simply laziness from players. There are so many ways of communicating, but despite pretty much all gamers nowadays owning a PC or smartphone, consoles also have to offer what those do? I think you miss the point of gaming consoles (hint: it's gaming). During online gaming, voice chat of course is a neccessity for swift organization, but preparing matches can be done anywhere.
Achievements, regardless of what you think of them, exist as an option to extend the longevity of a game. It's more content, and its harder to justify spending the same amount of money for a game with no achievements since it means less content than one with achievements. Some people like to make the most of the money they have, and Nintendo is just making that harder when they don't offer a universal system like that.
Okay, let me get that straight - you call show-off awards, which dev's are forced to implement, and which have no connection to the actual game (since the game itself doesn't give you anything for that), content?
The word is fake longevity. If a game requires rewards outside of the game itself to motivate a player, then it's already a flawed concept, since that inevitably means the game is too weak to motivate for itself. And if a player needs them to maintain interest in a game, then he either fails to appreciate the game for what it actually offers in terms of content, or the game isn't good enough to keep you interested.
What a sad, pointlessly hostile post this is. There isn't even really any point in arguing against it, because apparently everyone who doesn't value the same things that you do is an idiot.
Seek help.
You're really making it easy for yourself.
I never said that anyone who doesn't share my opinion (or, as you said, value the same things that I do,) is an idiot. That's just you trying to invalidate my opinion with a desparate jump.
You're missing the point though, which is that the other services offer more to validate the price. Nintendo could have the fastest internet ever, and most people probably wouldn't want to pay for it if all they're getting is internet and nothing more. You're also missing the point of convenience. Why should I have to use my phone? Why shouldn't I have achievements? If I have to pay a yearly subscription, I better get as much as I can for that money. Otherwise I'm just not going to pay.
And that's really what I'm trying to say. Nintendo doesn't offer enough incentives for people to want to pay for online. If they did charge, who would actually pay for such a barebones service? If they can improve things and offer more services, then maybe they could and would start doing it.
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I doubt Final XV is going to make that much money anyway on the PS4 and Xbox One seeing as they are digging themselves a hole of little profit return with their development costs. Might as well port it to Wii U if possible to do it cost effectively to maximize sale opportunity.
They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. I don't care if Tetsuya Nomura's dream for this game can only be "achieved on next gen hardware". Square Enix does not have the money to be playing around like this. They shoulda kept it as a PS3 exclusive. They had the hype cranked to the max when it was a PS3 exclusive. This isn't me being a Sony fanboy. This is me being concerned about SE's financial life.
Can you imagine how bad its gonna be for Square Enix if this game FLOPS? I'm sure they would eventually recover but they really need this game to be good.
I'm not even sure they could bounce back. I'm sure it would be the end of Final Fantasy single player campaign style as we all know and love the series. They would go back to the MMO style I guarantee that. I really hope the game is successful but I just don't see it. Bioshock Infinite sold really well and Irrational games didn't even bring that much in for it.
Games are getting to the point where making a profit off of a AAA game is difficult. Their budgets are so huge that there's no way it can be made up. That's probably what's going to happen to FFXV.
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@CaviarMeths Square Enix should try an HD version of the First Crystal Chronicles and/or a port of Final Fantasy X HD on the Wii U to test the market. That should be a good indication of the potential sales of FFXV on the Wii U.
I should try to stop making kids cry.
Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
What do you mean?
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Yeah, guitars are cool.
My musical project Comet Tail made a couple of recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zUoWWO1v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evBddvrm2U
You're missing the point though, which is that the other services offer more to validate the price. Nintendo could have the fastest internet ever, and most people probably wouldn't want to pay for it if all they're getting is internet and nothing more. You're also missing the point of convenience. Why should I have to use my phone? Why shouldn't I have achievements? If I have to pay a yearly subscription, I better get as much as I can for that money. Otherwise I'm just not going to pay.
Offer more =/= do it better. Quantity over quality is an ongoing issue for the past few years. And most manufacturers/developers gleefully utilize the strong impression of quantity to fool the average consumer.
But you keep talking about something that will most likely never happen - Nintendo wanting money for online. They most likely won't do it, since they wouldn't need to, not even if they had PS4 level service.
But let me turn the question around (since only you can answer why you want what you want, I can hardly tell) - Why should Nintendo feel obligated to implement this non-gaming stuff when developers could put these mechanics into their games themselves? If they wanted to, developers could easily implement an internal achievement system into their WiiU games, but the only thing we've seen at all is Ubisoft's uPlay service - which implies that developers don't see them as important as consumers do.
Also, convenience is the main reason consoles keep moving away from being consoles. Consumers demand stuff they already have in their microwaves nowadays to be in even more devices without being justified further than for convenience's sake. Nintendo gladly draws the line there by actually focusing on gaming. Competitors mostly advertise their stuff the same way car manufacturers do: show off gimmicks which have no connection to the product just to impress.
And that's really what I'm trying to say. Nintendo doesn't offer enough incentives for people to want to pay for online. If they did charge, who would actually pay for such a barebones service? If they can improve things and offer more services, then maybe they could and would start doing it.
They will improve, that's pretty much granted. But that doesn't mean they have to take money for it. They generate more than enough profit to offer much better services whithout any fees whatsoever.
So why not use phones for what they were built for
Imagine trying to play an online game which revolves around teamwork with 3 other people, over a phone lol.
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This is quoted entirely out of context. Read more closely, mate.
I never said they should communicate via phone during online matches. That's what voice chat is there for. I was referring to how easily players can organize a match with the communication devices available to them.
But you keep talking about something that will most likely never happen - Nintendo wanting money for online. They most likely won't do it, since they wouldn't need to, not even if they had PS4 level service.
Except Nintendo is a business just like any other, and that many services and servers would cost money to maintain. Nintendo's in the business to make money, not bleed it. You're fooling yourself if you think they would never do it if they actually could. No, what will never happen is Nintendo offering as many online services, therefore never needing to ask people to pay. Which is kind of a shame, IMO, but if anything it gives them an excuse to focus on local multiplayer, which makes them look like the champions of family quality time, and differentiating their products in the increasingly homogonous AAA scene.
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