Radiant Historia is comparable in that it is a fantastic game in every way, it was honestly my favorite game of 2011 (even after playing Skyward Sword, Skyrim, Portal 2, Arkham City, Ghost Trick etc), I believe it was made some of the people who made Chrono Trigger, has a fairly similar look and most importantly, is a JRPG about time travel.
Would you say it was better or worse than Chrono Trigger? Or are they about the same? Or is it a hard comparison to make?
I think Chrono Trigger is better, if mainly for having a better soundtrack (mainly because it has more songs despite being a shorter game) and the occasional "wtf am i supposed to do" moments in Radiant Historia. But they're basically, right next to each other in terms of quality.
Devil Survivor is solid. Fire Emblem and Disgaea are my favorite SRPGs, but Devil Survivor is one of the better of the genre outside of those two series. Not as good as Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions or the Ogre Battle games, but better than... pretty much anything else. Overclocked is probably the second best SRPG for 3DS after Fire Emblem: Awakening.
I haven't played Soul Hackers. It got some good reviews, but my backlog is big enough at the moment that I don't feel guilty for passing on it. SMTIV is really good though. If you like EOIV but wanted more story, you'll definitely like SMTIV.
EOU is my first Etrian Odyssey game, so I can't really compare it to SMT at this point, but going by EOU and SMTIV, I think I prefer EOU. SMTIV is ridiculously extensive and you could easily pump a couple hundred hours into it, but I dunno. EOU just has this really old-school charm and I'm a sucker for skill trees.
Chrono Trigger is easily still in the top 5 JRPGs of all time, so calling Radiant Historia better than it is a really hard call. I'll say that RH isn't as good as CT, but that's like saying that Goodfellas isn't as good as The Godfather.
So I played the demos for Etrian Odyssey Iv and Etrian Odyssey Untold, and I liked Etrian Odyssey IV a little bit more, but they are close to the same game. Etrian Odyssey IV has more customization and freedom, but Etrian Odyssey Untold has more of a story. I'll probably end up getting both one day, along with Shin Megami Tensei IV, and maybe the Devil Survivor and Devil Summoner games, and , if I can find it, Radiant Historia.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zUoWWO1v4
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@oragami have you ever played a Wii or DS port? they're completely different games from the original platforms.
Wii Ports' only differences are the ones I've already mentioned and the addition of pointer and motion controls, and you're right on DS ports, but the difference in power between PS4/Xbox One and Wii U is not nearly as drastic as PS3 and DS.
The Wii version of The Force Unleashed 2, NES: Hot Pursuit, and Transformers: War for Cybertron are all completely different from the PS360 version. Look them up, all completely different games.
What an irrelevant thing to say. the hardware difference between wii u and ps4/xone is is around 2x or 3x, not even close to the 20x+ difference between wii and ps360.
Let's say that 1 million of the 4 million Wii U owners own another 8th generation console. That leaves 3 million Wii U exclusive owners. And let's say a sixth of those Wii U owners like RPGs. That's 500,000 people. Now let's say 3/5 of them buy FFXV. That's 300,000 units sold. Multiply that by $50, and Square-Enix has made $15,000,000 in revenue. At most it costs $25 to produce the disc, and there's $7,500,000 in current profit. Let's say it costs $1,500,000 to port, so Square Enix has made $6,000,000 in profit by simply porting a game. Those are very generous numbers, and the profit is probably greater.
This is assuming far too much. You don't know what the budgets are. You also ignore the retailers' cut of the profit.
You are right on the retailer getting a cut, that was my mistake. But it turns out producing the discs is far cheaper than I thought. A blank Blu-Ray disc goes for $2 at retail, so I'll be generous in saying it costs $10 to make A Wii U game disc with a game on it. That's now $8,500,000 in profit according to my cart, but if you want to say it's wrong, lets cut out say $2 million. That's still $6,500,000 in pure profit, which I still think is low. EDIT: Lower than it actually is.
1. Assuming I am the only person who owns a Wi U and likes JRPGs is ridiculous.
2. They don't buy the Wii U for JRPGs, they buy a Wii U for games in general. I have never purchased a console for a specific genre, and neither has anyone I have ever met.
3. As stated above, let's say 500,000
1. I didn't say that. I just said it's more likely you're one of a few
2. Just because YOU don't know anyone doesn't mean they don't exist. There are gamers who buy specific genres.
3. Why? Just because you think there's that many?
1. Again, look at my projections and maybe take away about 50,000 so it's about 450,000 Wii U owners that like RPGs and I think that's reasonable.
2. I feel that is a minority. Game consoles are expensive, and unless you are interested in a wide variety of games on a console, you most likely aren't going to buy it. Especially a $400 or so console.
3. My math seemed very reasonable to me.
In order to run a business, you have to take risks to make profit, and porting FFXV to the Wii U wouldn't even be that risky. It is an easy profit. Learn your capitalism, Knux. Many of your points I covered above.
How doesn't Final Fantasy XV on the Wii U make sense? There were NUMBERED Final Fantasy games on Nintendo systems LAST GENERATION. That means THERE IS A MARKET! Saying it will never happen is simple negativity without justification. And if SCAR and I did work for Square-Enix, maybe they wouldn't tick off their fans every month.
You don't have to take risks to make a profit. Also, taking risks never guarantees profit anyway. How is porting a Wii U game an "easy profit"?
This is a load of BS because none of those were on the Wii. The last new numbered game was VI on the SNES. Not to mention remakes were only on the DS, which was a hugely popular system in Japan and America. Here's my justification: All numbered FF games after VI are NOT on Nintendo systems.
Taking risks is almost essential to making profit. Look at John Rockefeller or Andrew Carnegie. Two huge risk-takers, and two of the richest people to ever live. Risks never guarantee profit, but profit always guarantees risk. Risk is hoe Final Fantasy was born. Square took a risk and made an RPG, and it paid off. SCAR392 already explained how easy it would be to port FFXV to the Wii U.
It doesn't matter that none of the main series Final Fantasy games were on the Wii (although 1, IV, and VI were on the Virtual Console) because the DS games still created a tangible Final Fantasy on Nintendo Market. Most Nintendo fans had a DS, and most Nintendo fans have or are getting a Wii U. Sure, a lot of non-Nintendo fans had a DS, but that's not the market I'm focusing on.
Saying I don't want FFXV is asinine. I just don't want to waste money on a new console. You're right, I am trying to prove something. I'm trying to prove that FFXV on the Wii U is possible, and there have only been like 2 or 3 decent arguments against it. Mostly just stubborn people talking with no proof.
We're not saying that at all. We're saying there's not enough demand for Square Enix to care. You're not really proving anything. You only made assumptions and treat them like facts.
MOD NOTE: This was supposed to be quoted, not edited
My apologies to Oragami. I must have hit "Edit" instead of "Quote" when replying. I deleted the old post as there's no way to retrieve it now. Sorry
If you want the game that badly, then buy a PS4 or Xbox One. But you clearly don't really want it. It sounds like you're trying to prove something, so stop it because it's not going anywhere.
Knux said those exact words. And I am providing a mixture of facts and reasonable assumptions.
First things first, wii u has sold around 5.8 million as of january 24, wich is a lot more than your 4M example.
Also, we are talking about a game that will be released late 2014 at the earliest, so wii u's installed base should be quite above 10M by the time it releases. Basically, raise those numbers, we are talking about an easy million seller and potential multimillion seller.
I also advise to ignore all the people lying non stop here. people who say crazy things like "there's no demand" or "the wii u is as strong as a ps360 because I say so". we all know the facts, no need to waste time with people who know then but will always be against nintendo.
So I played the demos for Etrian Odyssey Iv and Etrian Odyssey Untold, and I liked Etrian Odyssey IV a little bit more, but they are close to the same game. Etrian Odyssey IV has more customization and freedom, but Etrian Odyssey Untold has more of a story. I'll probably end up getting both one day, along with Shin Megami Tensei IV, and maybe the Devil Survivor and Devil Summoner games, and , if I can find it, Radiant Historia.
Untold story also has a free play mode that plays like IV. Keep in mind untold story is a remkae of the first game.
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So I played the demos for Etrian Odyssey Iv and Etrian Odyssey Untold, and I liked Etrian Odyssey IV a little bit more, but they are close to the same game. Etrian Odyssey IV has more customization and freedom, but Etrian Odyssey Untold has more of a story. I'll probably end up getting both one day, along with Shin Megami Tensei IV, and maybe the Devil Survivor and Devil Summoner games, and , if I can find it, Radiant Historia.
Untold story also has a free play mode that plays like IV. Keep in mind untold story is a remkae of the first game.
Yeah, but that wasn't available in the demo, and I liked Etrian Odyssey IV's overworld (you know, with the airship.)
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Yeah, guitars are cool.
My musical project Comet Tail made a couple of recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zUoWWO1v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evBddvrm2U
@oragami have you ever played a Wii or DS port? they're completely different games from the original platforms.
Wii Ports' only differences are the ones I've already mentioned and the addition of pointer and motion controls, and you're right on DS ports, but the difference in power between PS4/Xbox One and Wii U is not nearly as drastic as PS3 and DS.
The Wii version of The Force Unleashed 2, NES: Hot Pursuit, and Transformers: War for Cybertron are all completely different from the PS360 version. Look them up, all completely different games.
What an irrelevant thing to say. the hardware difference between wii u and ps4/xone is is around 2x or 3x, not even close to the 20x+ difference between wii and ps360.
First things first, wii u has sold around 5.8 million as of january 24, wich is a lot more than your 4M example.
Also, we are talking about a game that will be released late 2014 at the earliest, so wii u's installed base should be quite above 10M by the time it releases. Basically, raise those numbers, we are talking about an easy million seller and potential multimillion seller.
I also advise to ignore all the people lying non stop here. people who say crazy things like "there's no demand" or "the wii u is as strong as a ps360 because I say so". we all know the facts, no need to waste time with people who know then but will always be against nintendo.
Thanks for the support!
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Yeah, guitars are cool.
My musical project Comet Tail made a couple of recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zUoWWO1v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evBddvrm2U
I really can't understand these made up sales figures being an indication of how well FFXV would do on Wii U when the core fan base either own both Wii U and another console or just own another console that will have the better version.
I really can't understand these made up sales figures being an indication of how well FFXV would do on Wii U when the core fan base either own both Wii U and another console or just own another console that will have the better version.
Just so you know, your statistic that the FFXV fanbase owns either a Wii U and other console or just another console is also a made up figure.
New PS4 owner
Yeah, guitars are cool.
My musical project Comet Tail made a couple of recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zUoWWO1v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evBddvrm2U
@oragami have you ever played a Wii or DS port? they're completely different games from the original platforms.
Wii Ports' only differences are the ones I've already mentioned and the addition of pointer and motion controls, and you're right on DS ports, but the difference in power between PS4/Xbox One and Wii U is not nearly as drastic as PS3 and DS.
The Wii version of The Force Unleashed 2, NES: Hot Pursuit, and Transformers: War for Cybertron are all completely different from the PS360 version. Look them up, all completely different games.
What an irrelevant thing to say. the hardware difference between wii u and ps4/xone is is around 2x or 3x, not even close to the 20x+ difference between wii and ps360.
Irrelavant, how so? He was saying that porting games was always possible within a single generation, it's completely relavant since current systems can disprove that just as well as next gen systems since the dicussion was not exclusively for next gen systems.
@oragami have you ever played a Wii or DS port? they're completely different games from the original platforms.
Wii Ports' only differences are the ones I've already mentioned and the addition of pointer and motion controls, and you're right on DS ports, but the difference in power between PS4/Xbox One and Wii U is not nearly as drastic as PS3 and DS.
The Wii version of The Force Unleashed 2, NES: Hot Pursuit, and Transformers: War for Cybertron are all completely different from the PS360 version. Look them up, all completely different games.
What an irrelevant thing to say. the hardware difference between wii u and ps4/xone is is around 2x or 3x, not even close to the 20x+ difference between wii and ps360.
Irrelavant, how so? He was saying that porting games was always possible within a single generation, it's completely relavant since current systems can disprove that just as well as next gen systems since the dicussion was not exclusively for next gen systems.
So are you saying that FFXV couldn't be ported to the Wii U? Because that's simply not true.
New PS4 owner
Yeah, guitars are cool.
My musical project Comet Tail made a couple of recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zUoWWO1v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evBddvrm2U
@oragami have you ever played a Wii or DS port? they're completely different games from the original platforms.
Wii Ports' only differences are the ones I've already mentioned and the addition of pointer and motion controls, and you're right on DS ports, but the difference in power between PS4/Xbox One and Wii U is not nearly as drastic as PS3 and DS.
The Wii version of The Force Unleashed 2, NES: Hot Pursuit, and Transformers: War for Cybertron are all completely different from the PS360 version. Look them up, all completely different games.
What an irrelevant thing to say. the hardware difference between wii u and ps4/xone is is around 2x or 3x, not even close to the 20x+ difference between wii and ps360.
Irrelavant, how so? He was saying that porting games was always possible within a single generation, it's completely relavant since current systems can disprove that just as well as next gen systems since the dicussion was not exclusively for next gen systems.
So are you saying that FFXV couldn't be ported to the Wii U? Because that's simply not true.
My comment was unrelated to that, but porting might prove to have some serious issues to due a lack of a power. I put up a big list earlier of issues that could be encountered.
@oragami have you ever played a Wii or DS port? they're completely different games from the original platforms.
Wii Ports' only differences are the ones I've already mentioned and the addition of pointer and motion controls, and you're right on DS ports, but the difference in power between PS4/Xbox One and Wii U is not nearly as drastic as PS3 and DS.
The Wii version of The Force Unleashed 2, NES: Hot Pursuit, and Transformers: War for Cybertron are all completely different from the PS360 version. Look them up, all completely different games.
What an irrelevant thing to say. the hardware difference between wii u and ps4/xone is is around 2x or 3x, not even close to the 20x+ difference between wii and ps360.
Irrelavant, how so? He was saying that porting games was always possible within a single generation, it's completely relavant since current systems can disprove that just as well as next gen systems since the dicussion was not exclusively for next gen systems.
So are you saying that FFXV couldn't be ported to the Wii U? Because that's simply not true.
My comment was unrelated to that, but porting might prove to have some serious issues to due a lack of a power. I put up a big list earlier of issues that could be encountered.
I'm willing to take losses in polish to have the game on the Wii U
@oragami have you ever played a Wii or DS port? they're completely different games from the original platforms.
Wii Ports' only differences are the ones I've already mentioned and the addition of pointer and motion controls, and you're right on DS ports, but the difference in power between PS4/Xbox One and Wii U is not nearly as drastic as PS3 and DS.
The Wii version of The Force Unleashed 2, NES: Hot Pursuit, and Transformers: War for Cybertron are all completely different from the PS360 version. Look them up, all completely different games.
What an irrelevant thing to say. the hardware difference between wii u and ps4/xone is is around 2x or 3x, not even close to the 20x+ difference between wii and ps360.
Irrelavant, how so? He was saying that porting games was always possible within a single generation, it's completely relavant since current systems can disprove that just as well as next gen systems since the dicussion was not exclusively for next gen systems.
So are you saying that FFXV couldn't be ported to the Wii U? Because that's simply not true.
My comment was unrelated to that, but porting might prove to have some serious issues to due a lack of a power. I put up a big list earlier of issues that could be encountered.
I'm willing to take losses in polish to have the game on the Wii U
Unfortunately, I don't think SE agrees. Well fortunately for me, unfortunately for you but...yeah. SE hearts them graphics. They're like the art-less pretentious versions of Crytek.
Unfortunately, I don't think SE agrees. Well fortunately for me, unfortunately for you but...yeah. SE hearts them graphics. They're like the art-less pretentious versions of Crytek.
Why is that fortunate for you?
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Yeah, guitars are cool.
My musical project Comet Tail made a couple of recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0zUoWWO1v4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2evBddvrm2U
The PS3 did just fine without requiring payment for online gaming. The only readon'tn Sonylooking ng it is because they saw it worked on the Xbox 360, and they wanted more money.
So when Nintendo if thay ever do upgrade there online infrastructure, and seeing thay don't like loosing money. You really think Nintendo will foot the bill?
Why did graphics not matter for PS fans in 6th gen, but they do in 8th gen? Saying a game shouldn't come to Wii U, because of graphics, is basically saying that PS should have failed along time ago. This implies to me, is that people WANT Nintendo do poorly. That's not really a good argument.
Wii U can support this game, and 3rd parties never showed support. Anyone who thinks Wii U shouldn't get this game, is ignoring how the other consoles got it. In terms of Xbox One and PS4, they went with hardware that would be more easily to program for and was already basically being utilized in PCs. 3rd parties will be defined as lazy if they don't make the extra effort.
Wii U's hardware may be different, but the software is what ultimately matters. PS3 getting ports from Xbox 360 is the exact same thing happening for Wii U, except now it will be for 8th gen consoles. Once they figure out the hardware, this won't be a problem.
I don't see how people can accept Xbox getting FF, but not Nintendo.
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