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Haruki_NLI

To be blunt Yamauchi is probably asking why they haven't monetised every game to hell and back and let Square Enix back in the door.

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JaxonH

It’s whatever. I’ll pay an extra $10/yr if I can have Super Mario World, Super Metroid and Zelda Link To The Past on my Switch, and a bunch of others (naturally).

It’s not the best deal, but as a consumer I’m willing to pay that for SNES. That’s worthy of a $10 upgrade to me ($30/yr). I’ll pay another $10 for N64 ($40/yr), and even bump another $20 (to make it a full $60/yr) if they toss in GameCube. But at that point I would expect a bonus for the full package, say... GBA. Or maybe Wii with Button support mapped to classic controller.

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EvilLucario

When people say they want Virtual Console, they don't mean they want Virtual Console. They just want the usual suspects and the romanticized version of Virtual Console.

The downfall of Virtual Console in that the lesser/niche games are not going to be monetized as well while everything else dominates the conversation. Games like EarthBound were an anomaly on the charts. Anyone would look at the lists and ask "well how do we bolster the sales of that then?" and come to the conclusion of a subscription price.

Subscriptions have their own downfalls that I'm not interested in arguing about (and from the people who just popped in, I can already tell they'll want to butt heads with me on that and shout from the rooftops they hate subscriptions), but Virtual Console also has negatives of its own from Nintendo's side.

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JaxonH

I like owning my games, so I do prefer VC. But just given how much I play my Switch, the utility of having access to such games indefinitely for a little extra is enough to tip the scales. For any other console, I’m not interested in sub model services. And honestly, I’m not interested in it for Switch if it were anything other than VC (like actual Switch games). But for vintage games, ya. If it’s my only option of having them on Switch. Obviously I’d choose buying them if I had the option.

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BougieBeetle

@Knuckles-Fajita Mr. Yamauchi was always very concerned with strict quality control, I'm not sure he'd be willing to monetize to that extent. On the other hand, he did like making money. He liked it a lot.

@EvilLucario What would you say are the downfalls of VC from Nintendo's perspective? Just curious!

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@BougieBeetle So you have your usual games you want, like Mario, Zelda, Metroid. Those do well, of course. But who cares about games like Ogre Battle 64 or Strider? Not much, a fraction at best. Good games, but they don't do as well. It becomes a huge popularity contest where all those games get left behind. The return isn't as good for those games compared to the popular Nintendo games, and they make up the majority of all titles, Wii Virtual Console or Wii U or 3DS.

That's why I say that when people say they want Virtual Console, they just want Mario/Zelda/Metroid and nothing else. Obviously not everyone is like that but it is what it is.

With a subscription service, you can use quantity as a way to tip people over to subscribing to your service in addition to the same Mario/Zelda/Metroid games, as well as actually getting people to play those games in the first place they otherwise would not have.

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Therad

I am fine with it. Nintendo can monetize their games however they want.

having to sub for online is still stupidly greedy though.

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BruceCM

Just put Final Fantasy Tactics Advance & A2: Grimoire of the Rift on Switch along with War of the Lions.... I'll buy those

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DenDen

Snes whould be awesome put full online support in it en some dedicated servers and Im a happy man

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StuTwo

BougieBeetle wrote:

@EvilLucario What would you say are the downfalls of VC from Nintendo's perspective? Just curious!

I’ve heard it called the ‘Uncle Buck’ problem. Uncle Buck is a fun film but not an essential one. It’s something you’ll have a good hour and a half watching if it’s there and free but it’s not something you’d ever wake up one thinking ‘I really need to watch Uncle Buck’. So the commercial case for making Uncle Buck as an individual film available for sale is weak.

As a grain of sand in a weightier package though it has value. In fact it’s only by packaging it up that you can really justify keeping it available.

The same goes for games. I’ve put a bit of time into games like Solomon’s Key on Switch - games that I wouldn’t even contemplate buying outright (even if we were only talking about a price £1 or less). The subscription model allows Nintendo to plumb the depths and bring games that wouldn’t otherwise be made available.

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HobbitGamer

@StuTwo That’s a pretty on point comparison.
I love the Uncle Buck movie, and now that it’s been mentioned I would like to watch it; But I’m not going to go through the effort to track it down.

That chainsaw, tho 😂

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You know id rather have all SNES titles on one cartridge and pay 30 for it

And apart from that, if i paid for one year i probably played all the NES games already and therefore shouldnt have to pay for it again, so the price i pay for NSO should go to the SNES game, thats why there shouldnt be an extra cost to play SNES games

Thats BS

I honestly have no idea what you are saying. You "probably" played all the NES games so you...shouldn't have to pay for them next year? Is that what you're saying?

I mean, if you BOUGHT them, then yea...you don't pay for a game every year that you've already bought. But when you signed up for Online, you didn't buy the games... you subbed to a service that provides access to those games for a recurring fee. You did that, and you should make sure you read, clearly, the stipulations of anything you sign up for/buy.

That being said, MAYBE they will come out with a plan where you can choose what games (NES or SNES or future systems) you'd like to receive for different price ranges. I don't see that happening, though. I think they'll tack on SNES for 5-10 dollars more per year.

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Wargroove is a getting a physical version:

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https://nintendoeverything.com/a-hat-in-time-officially-confi...

A Hat in Time is coming October 18th. Seal the Deal DLC is included, although it'll need to be downloaded separately for the physical version. Amazon physical version is listed at $39.99.

Between this and the side-scrolling Yooka, October is looking to be a good month for platformers on Switch.

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HobbitGamer

@New_Guest In your view of this, does that mean that a person subbing up after SNES were to launch should pay more than a person that subbed up when NES launched? Because that person had not yet "paid for NES games"?

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@HobbitGamer I would like to have the NES games on a cartridge but they dont sell it.

Oh...the irony in that statement, lol. Thank you, I needed some hilarity in my day.

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Ryu_Niiyama

My only issue with the online services is the same I had with VC. Due to legal logistics it is impossible to offer a full library. So you get the same releases into infinity. However if you liked a rare game or are trying to play something you missed, VC/online service doesn't assist much. Granted I have NSO for online so the games are an extra padding. So I play what I see and keep it moving.

In a perfect utopia where all the rights holders came together and said "here is our entire catalog for purchase" it would be wonderful (and knock a hole in the whole ROM scene) but because that will never happen we are stuck with a bandaid solution. There were a lot of good licensed games in the snes era (and a few in the NES era) but they will never see the light of day again. To me that is the only issue with video games as a medium. They were made to be used at the time and then thrown away, but because gaming is such a cultural touch stone people want to go back and keep playing those games. The medium wasn't (still isn't if you look at licensed games) prepared for that.

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StuTwo

@BougieBeetle @HobbitGamer it is such a great film with a wicked sense of humour. Not “top 10 of all time, keep the poster on your wall and the 5 disc collectors edition blu ray on your shelf” material - there are dozens of films more deserving of that treatment - but it’s more than solid.

I suppose we should be glad it’s not more we’ll known today. If it were we’d have chainsaw Buck Funko Pops and a terrible reboot staring Seth Rogan prepped by Hollywood as the forerunner of a nascent “Buck cinematic universe” pledging to show us just what was happening with Buck’s brother and his wife and what the boyfriend did next...

Anyway - the main point is that if we want those solid B tier games available then they need to make commercial sense and subscription based services are the best bet for that. They also need to be baited with the games that people really want. Making Mario 3 et al available to buy separately could undermine the whole endeavour.

Which isn’t to say I agree with Nintendo’s model - it clearly has downsides as well as upsides - but there is a logic to it and that logic is not inherently anti consumer. The way they’ve communicated the advantages and marketed it has been an utter disaster so far however - which is a real shame.

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rallydefault

@New_Guest
Ok, here we go:

100 bucks over 5 years to play 30+ classic games is an EXCELLENT deal. Ask any game collector. To collect/buy physical games, you'd be paying many multiple times that much. You would own the games, yes, but you could easily be paying in the thousands of dollars to establish a big library. 200 dollars and a decade later and probably many more added games later (assuming the service stays up, and that's a whole other discussion), and you're still WAY on the winning end of things if you're hardcore about playing old games.

I guess you are being "clear," sure, but I think you're being spoiled. You're asking for everything for nothing or next to nothing. You WANT a big collection of games to be made available to you for a reasonable price. Yea, awesome - we all want that. I want to win the lottery tonight.

And I agree with you: online should be free. Most of us around here think that. But guess what: Nintendo decided it's not free on their console. So you either pay for it or walk away from it and play for free on a PC or something. It's up to you.

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