Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@JaxonH - once again I find myself in agreement with you, I'm glad you've continued posting.

I've neither the time nor money to invest in several systems, I've pinned my flag onto Nintendo now (since I met my now wife and she introduced me to the DS) and my PS2 is gathering dust.

I've spent 550 hours in Skyrim, I'm currently trying FIFA 18 - which by many accounts is a shamefully reduced experience, but it's new to me, my first football game since Sensible Soccer on the Amiga and I'm enjoying it, I don't feel I'm missing anything.

These games may be ports, but they're new to me.

When did this become about the history of the game, rather than just enjoying playing it?

Agreeing with the general sentiment here. Sure there are a lot of ports. But there are a LOT of ports of GOOD games. Games that for whatever reason, I didn't have time or money or knowledge to get the first time they released. Admittedly, I've basically spent this entire year playing ports short of Hollow Knight, Octopath and all the major DLC (Octo Expansion, DK, Sonic Mania Plus, Torna). I mean, I've been playing Crash Trilogy, Okami, Doom, the Bayonettas, DK:TF, MHGU, a late Fire Emblem Warriors etc. But I can't imagine anyone has managed to play this many games before when we've already had over a hundred major releases this year with another 30 or so to go.

Plus, we already know 10 major brand new exclusives and 3 day 1 new games for next year, and it's only September. It's not like there's no new games among these ports that are getting announced. I understood more when we didn't know how packed 2019 was with new releases, but with it packed already before companies like Sega, Capcom, WB Games, Ubisoft and Telltale have announced anything it seems like people should have lightened up since the last direct not gotten worse.

In the end it doesn't really matter I guess, just means I need to stop checking Reddit for news. It only ends up frustrating me endlessly. I'll just be happy to finally have a shot at playing FF VII and IX in my own bubble lol.

Not just here but it seems like every YouTuber has made it their life mission to bash Nintendo on this. I think most are upset because they thought we'd be getting more then what we are and they're nit picking every single detail they can. It's like they're inciting the riot!

@Spoony_Tech

Yep, it's everywhere... The number of dislikes under the "Nintendo online video" is massive.

https://nintendosoup.com/nintendo-switch-online-overview-trai...

I wonder how all the people nerdraging and trying to incite a riot over Switch receiving ports of good games (this is a Good Thing) and anything even hinting at NSO would react if Nintendo responded by saying "Fine, I'll take my ball and go home". At which point all online capability getting completely removed, including the eshop. Did you archive any games to the cloud, too bad cause the nerdrage caused Nintendo to shut down all online services.

Would they feel happy? Would they feel vindicated? Or would they finally realize "Wait a second, maybe this wasn't such a good idea to be inciting riots over"?

That is true, I always forget mods are not standard on consoles. In skylines they are quite important if you want to build a more realistic road network.

@Cobalt Well their "review" is unjustified and inaccurate.

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...No wonder the audio felt slightly off to the video in Monster Hunter (or any video, for that matter), I didn't turn the AV delay completely off on my soundbar. lol

@Therad I'll never understand the mindset withpc these days that mods are important to make the game complete. If the game isn't complete as is, it's a bad game. If consumers have to add the rest of the game for free as unpaid staff, that's pitiful. Mods were once about adding completely original ideas using the games resources, or adding totally off the wall differences, not completing unfinished games, fixing bugs, and adding essential components.

@Tsurii said : "LOL, French gaming journalism"

Is there a kind of xenophobia in your message ? I try to get your point but I can't... Could you explain to me what you mean exactly ? Thank you.

I don't say it is necessary, I say it enhance the game. The game works perfectly fine without it. It is more about personalizing the game rather than bug fixing.

@Therad @NEStalgia I loved mods in the Duke Nukem 3D and FIFA 2000 era! After that I never really cared anymore. Key message of this reply? "Oh my I'm getting old..."

@FaeKnight People keeping up the backlash regarding Nintendo Switch Online is a good thing. As soon as the service of current quality is accepted, it will be an incentive not only for Nintendo not to improve but for Sony and Microsoft (especially Sony) to make their own services worse. We've already heard about the PS+ selection of games getting worse starting in March 2019, is this perhaps a side effect of Nintendo Switch Online being a poor service?

The ports backlash however is ridiculous.

@JaxonH

Exactly. Every system ever has been full of ports. In the 16-bit days the balance between new games and ports might have been slightly different but games were a lot less expensive and time-consuming then. Since the Gamecube and XBOX launches every system has been dominated by ports, it’s a fact of life. Yet you will get people complaining. Do they want every system to only have exclusives meaning much fewer games and publishers going out of business? Do they want to deny others the chance to play these games, as if they have that right?

You get similar demands for third party exclusives on Switch when why’re hardly an occurrence on any system anymore, for obvious financial reasons. In reality third party exclusives are bad news for gamers, I’m glad the days of Sony and MS moneyhatting games like Vice City and Rise of the Tomb Raider seem to have gone. As long as a system can run it, put the games on it.

@Grumblevolcano I'm not disputing that the offered services seem a bit lackluster in a few regards. Most notably voice chat and it relying on that stupid app that only works with 4 games currently. Or at least it will work with 4 games once the paid service launches tonight. But I worry that the people trying to incite riots over ports and Nintendo finally launching the paid service they told us would be coming from day one will end up ruining things for everyone.

There's a difference between valid criticism and rabid attacks on the company. And the valid complaints keep getting drowned out by the rabid hate mongering going on. If Nintendo listened to all the ranting that is constantly going on regarding ports and online play, they could end up deciding to remove every port and only accept brand new games in the future while completely removing online capabilities.

(edit: Removing every port btw would include almost the entirety of the Indie games list, almost all the 3rd party games from major publishers, and most of the 1st party games. That would cripple the system due to there being barely any games on it)

After all, the free service that Wii U had and that's been available till now appears to be dumped on for not being robust enough with a lack of 'needed' features. But equally the paid version that will be able to fund improvements to the service is getting bashed for being 100% 'inferior' to the competitors. And with the ever increasing list of what people want to make the price 'justified', I suspect it'll always be considered a "bad value" by the people nerdraging over this.

Criticize, yes. Complain about problems, go for it. But dumping on the entire thing on the thinly veiled grounds of I hate you, you're asking for money and wanting money makes you evil" is wrong. As is attacking anyone with a dissenting opinion or who is advocating you take a deep breath and calm down due to the hate and rage not helping anyone's cause.

@Grumblevolcano completely agree. Competition is good and hope nintendo gets stronger with this service and not hand it on a plate to sony and Microsoft reducing their great service.

I’m getting the sub and like me I’m sure a lot of people can’t find the value even if it’s cheap. It just makes Nintendo look really lazy and greedy.
3 decades of games with drm. I hope it makes Nintendo stronger

I think there’s a few things at work here with the Online Service.

1. People who will jump on any chance to bash Nintendo. They haven’t had much to bite on recently and to be fair, Nintendo have gifted them an open goal.

2. They’ve missed the chance to rid themselves of the reputation for being backwards when it comes to the internet. It’s stuck since the Gamecube and Iwata dismissal of Online gaming. They could catch up anytime they wanted but have chosen not to.

3. They’ve got momentum. They’re pulling in lapsed Nintendo fans and adults galore. A fully fledged Nintendoflix service with a few games from every Nintendo system represented could have been huge.

They’re offering the bare minimum to test the market and see how little customers will pony up for. Their choice but I think it could damage them.

Anyway, the debate will die down. I don’t get the (tongue in cheek, I know) talk of ‘the mob’ and ‘riots’. It’s the hot topic of the minute and of course it’s going to generate attention and discussion. Soon it’ll be something else.

@electrolite77 The fact that until fairly recently Nintendo's top execs viewed online capability for video games as a fad or short term gimmick means they haven't had as much time to actually figure out what they're doing with online services. Microsoft had an advantage in that they'd been providing internet services for years on PC, so knew what sort of infrastructure would be needed. Sony took a while to figure out what they were doing though. PS2's online capabilities were laughable and left entirely in the hands of game developers and 3rd party server companies like Gamespy. But even that taught Sony some valuable lessons.

Nintendo is only recently learning those lessons. The Wii mostly just used the internet for an online game store, to my knowledge. The DS and 3DS have a bare bones online capability, and again mainly put the responsibility in the hands of the game publishers. The Wii U apparently was a step in the right direction, but was still pretty bare bones. Just an online store and online multiplayer in a few games. Which means the Switch is Nintendo trying to finally figure out what the heck they're doing.

I suspect that the reason first party multiplayer titles like Splatoon 2 are peer to peer instead of central server based is because of the focus on being capable of local wireless multiplayer. This then would indicate the Nintendo App came about as a way to give these games voice chat despite them not having a central server. It's a weird and sub-optimal way of doing things. But it may have been the best that Nintendo could come up with.

Considering Nintendo is coming into the race late after having a board of directors that considered online play to be a fad that would die out, I think they aren't doing too bad. As such I'm willing to cut them a bit of slack. I'll still call out their missteps, but I'd rather not throw out the baby with the bath water.

@FaeKnight

I guess I’m not as forgiving as you 😉

They’re a profit-hungry, cash-rich multinational corporation, not some little corner shop that’s just opened up. If they don’t have the expertise they could pay somebody who does and achieve parity with the competition whenever, even if it was a decision that needed to be made in 2015. Instead they’ve decided to see how little users will accept in return for handing over their cash.

@electrolite77
Previously exclusive PS4 games are coming to Switch left and right. It's amazing. YS VIII, you can now play that game on Switch. Disgaea 5, you can now play that game on Switch (and soon Disgaea 1, which would have been exclusive), Final Fantasy X and XII, you'll soon be able to play on Switch. Fairy Fencer F, World of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest Builders...

Celebrate that. Celebrate games being ported multiplatform. Not just because any game getting a hybrid version is awesome, but because that's fewer games bolted down by exclusivity