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dtjive

@BiasedSonyFan

Where is this "assuming that the NX is at Xbox One spec" coming from? As far as we know the NX isn't even on XBox One levels.

$200 for the basic and $250 for the premium would be my guess for pricing.

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skywake

parallaxscroll wrote:

What numbers are you using for Wii U, because that doesn't look right. The Shield TV console with X1 is quite a lot more powerful than Wii U, more than 1.46x

Was it you or someone else who queried me the last time I posted Wii U specs? Because I seem to remember someone doing it. Then when they pressed me to "show my sources" I did before asking the same. And all they could pull up was some random forum post. But for what it's worth, all these say 350GFLOPS....

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1903/wii-u-gpu
http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/
http://geekermagazine.com/xbox-one-vs-ps4-vs-wii-u/

There's a page on Wikipedia on this, they also say 350GFLOPS and cite that first link

And one on the Wii U's relative performance from eurogamer
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-wii-u-graphics-...
(4650 =~ 380GFLOPS, underclocked to 500MHz drops that to, what a guess, ~350GFLOPS)

It didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now really. Both times I was just making a point about relative performance. How much more powerful the NX could/should be. But still. If you're going to question someone's numbers you better have good numbers yourself

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IceClimbers

@BiasedSonyFan No, it's a handheld that has the ability to double as a console. The thing is primarily a handheld. Therefore people will expect handheld pricing. You can't release a handheld for more than $250. Period. Any more than that and it's DOA, regardless of what the home consoles are priced at. $200 is the sweet spot.

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erv

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GrailUK

@erv Erm...Some dude has leaked NVidia are going to announce a Pascal Tegra chip for NX. I don't know what that means...but it sounds expensive and cutting edge....YAAAY! Nintendo are cutting edge again! When SNES released in the 1990's...I didn't know many people who could afford one!

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GrailUK

What does Pascal mean?

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rallydefault

@GrailUK
"Pascal is the most powerful computer architecture ever built inside a GPU" - Nvidia's website.

Sooo... performance bump, basically lol

rallydefault

GrailUK

I had a look and ran away! So, the NX will be able to run 8 TFlops and the docking bay will have liquid cooling hahaha

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GrailUK

@rallydefault Well that is certainly positive. Everyone seems so certain about these new rumours. If they turn out to be fake then a lot of websites will have egg on their face, hands, arms...like so covered in egg they would practically be an egg (apart from the shell ofc).

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parallaxscroll

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=211844883&post...

Nvidia has been naming each new GPU architecture after a scientist now for 6 - 7 years.

Fermi (GeForce 400 series) - 2010
Kepler (GeForce 600 and 700 series) - 2012-2013
Maxwell (GeForce 900 series) - 2014-2015
Pascal (GeForce 1000 series) - 2016

next up from Nvidia is Volta (2017-2018)

Anyway, back to NX, if it's getting a processor based on the next-gen Tegra with Pascal architecture, that's very good news.

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GrailUK

@parallaxscroll I am going to be honest and say a handheld Wii U exceeded my expectations. Anything after that is a bonus lol.

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parallaxscroll

Tweaktown is talking about the Supplemental Computing Device. Now that Nintendo has actually successfully patented the device, it seems only natural for NX.

Nintendo successfully patents external console upgrade box Nintendo's newly patented external box boosts console processing speed and network latency

Nintendo has successfully patented an external hardware accessory that boosts a console's processing power, meaning Nintendo could be the first to kick off external hardware upgrades for mainstream consoles.

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Nintendo's new NX hardware is believed to be a mobile-based handheld hybrid that's lacking in power, but recent patents hint the NX could leverage external hardware to boost performance. The external box is called a Supplemental Computing Device, and hooks up to Nintendo games consoles to provide various improvements like "increased processing and/or storage resources to games consoles to assist in executing a game."

Based on the deluge of information in the patent filings, Nintendo's Supplemental Computing Device (SCD) is a huge game-changer. There's a ton of applications apart from the obvious hardware processing boost, but don't think of this a console version of Razer's external Core GPU enclosure. The SCD likely won't be that dramatic, and apparently won't affect graphics at all, just processing speed, network latency, and storage. It does, however, keep with Nintendo's penchant for uniqueness and incorporates some very interesting applications.

The most interesting SCD applications revolve around users being able to sharing their SCD's with others via online or remote access, meaning you can let other people use your hardware for an in-game boost. The patents make this out to be a kind of user-to-user service and even mentions compensation for those who share their SCD--you could get free games/discounts/ and even time on other people's SCD's. "The console may couple to a supplement computing device to increase the speed or quality of a user's gaming experience."

Here's how the Supplemental Computing Device will potentially interact with Nintendo consoles, but remember the patents have multiple instances of the hardware applications so this isn't a targeted explanation:

  • Provide processing and/or storage resources to games consoles to assist in game performance or other tasks like viewing photos/watching videos, etc.
  • Can be physically attached to a console to increase speed or quality of a user's gaming experience
  • Consoles can connect to supplemental computing devices remotely via local wireless network, with the extra processing power/storage being tapped over a wireless network
  • Boosts connection strength and improves latency with online games and games/services that are powered by cloud computing
  • Users can share the supplemental computing device with others, possibly on an online basis but more likely with remote users in the same area, and can control the hardware boost threshold percentage shared with others and even impose a time limit on such resources
  • Nintendo may compensate users who choose to share their supplemental computing device with others depending on duration and resource percentages shared. Compensation may include discounts on games, time on other SCD's, or points for redemption for other content/games (think Club Nintendo)
  • Users can daisy-chain multiple supplemental computing devices to the same console

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The United States Patent Office has officially granted Nintendo and Joseph Bentdahl, the device's inventor, a patent on the Supplemental Computing Device.

Now as to whether or not the SCD will be a main component of the NX, we can't say for sure. Technically Nintendo could start manufacturing the external devices even without a patent, but that'd be pretty risky. There's definitely more to the NX than what we already know (mobile-based hybrid with detachable controllers, Pascal-based Tegra chip, etc) but I think the Supplemental Computing Device will be an accessory that ships after the NX, especially given Nintendo has just received a greenlight on the patent.

My first thought when I saw the patent was virtual reality, as we know Nintendo is researching VR, but the SCD has absolutely no mention of any graphics upgrades.

Also remember the patents do not indicate a final product, and that a huge portion of the actual patent won't be implemented in the actual product. Patents typically cover a massive number of configurations so the companies can pick and choose the best elements and act accordingly--think of it as a giant box of 10,000 Legos that will be used to build a 2,000 piece set.

In any case, Nintendo has just piqued a lot of people's interest with its new console-boosting box, especially with its massive amount of potential. Allowing users to share your bandwidth and hardware and receiving compensation sounds awesome, ditto with the processing hardware boosts.

Nintendo plans to unveil its new NX console sometime this year, likely at this year's Tokyo Game Show in September. The NX will launch March 2017.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/53167/nintendo-successfully-pat...

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FragRed

I'm sorry but I don't believe this for a moment. How credible are these people stating this rumour and when is Nvidia allegedly announcing the new Tegra Pascal?

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GrailUK

@FragRed It sounds too good to be true. The jump from 3DS to NX would be like Pong to Tron's Light Discs!!!

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GrailUK

@BiasedSonyFan Indeed mate. Indeed.

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erv

If the dock allows us to share a cloud computing power in some way, I'll be a huge contributor.

Might be a good reward program for me.

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gcunit

All this talk of teraflops... numbers may show that the PS4 is 4 times more powerful than Wii U, but the games sure aren't 4 times as pretty or impressive, so it doesn't count for much in my book.

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DefHalan

gcunit wrote:

All this talk of teraflops... numbers may show that the PS4 is 4 times more powerful than Wii U, but the games sure aren't 4 times as pretty or impressive, so it doesn't count for much in my book.

Yeah but the PS4's library is probably 4 times the size of the Wii U.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

gcunit

I'll take quality over quantity, and so will my wallet and backlog.

You guys had me at blood and semen.

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DefHalan

gcunit wrote:

I'll take quality over quantity, and so will my wallet and backlog.

Me too but there are quality games on PS4/XB1 that are skipping the Wii U because of power.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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