@Octane I'm not rjejr, I don't have a clipboard full of references, for things. If you want details troll around RPS, Polygon, where the industry speaks openly, and GAF, where the industry clandestinely speaks through anonymous leaks. But the first two cover it enough. Specifically search for older interviews with MS execs, particularly pre-Spencer, but even Spencer's discussed the issue. EA interviews particularly in the Moore and Richaleto (sp?) eras.
Again, it's not clandestine, it's just a fact of business. Sony paying for a game to NOT arrive on a certain console would be clandestine. Platform holders funding/co-funding/co-sponsoring AAA dev isn't. heck, do you honestly think Aiden Pierce made it as the #1 character on the PS4 launch box art if Sony didn't have that right through funding? Or the fact the game was showed off at the PS4 show? Or why Square Enix unveiled FFXV gameplay footage at Microsoft's show, or why EA saved the footage of the new Bioware GaaS for Microsoft's show instead of their own conference? These things aren't done for free or kind gestures. They're part of funding packages.
For Skyrim Switch, notice the marketing angle is being handled by Nintendo's people, not Bethesda's, including the trailer which was presented in Nintendo's framework, not Bethesda's. Again, none of that is free.
This isn't 1997. You don't just crank out a game, publish it everywhere, and hope people buy it. Indies do that. AAA with $200M+ budgets don't have that cash laying around. Not even EA. Multiple parties are funding, including outside investment.
And what do you know, Sony's biggest business is insurance and financial services.....not consumer electronics....
You're not wrong about royalties, that's still the bulk of the platform holder's income after all after online subs. Consider the subsidy an advance that doesn't always pan out as a return.
Forward investment doesn't always have to be raw capital. They can extend credit, loans, or cash, sure. They can also extend soft money. Advertising resources, publishing/production capability, staff services. All these things provide a considerable monetary value. At this point, as #1, Sony likely doesn't have to do this very often unless they want exclusivity, full or partial. But early PS3 era they sure did.
@JaxonH MS more or less pioneered that whole system. They're passive now because they're the ugly unwanted stepchild of the Microsoft umbrella, and they're losing their shirts. Were the One stomping the PS4, they'd be a lot less forgiving. Though I do believe Phil Spencer is a lot more ehtical in how he operates the division than his forebears.....he doesn't seem to apply "the Microsoft way".... FWIW, that term was coined to me by someone on the inside
@UmniKnight oh, I don't think they're taking it per se, I think they legit don't care. They have a very different business model in mind, and it seems to work out for them very well, WiiU aside. Only gamers that want "all the games"on one platform seem to care. But they have their own library crafted the way they think will make them money, and it overall seems to be an effective strategy. It's a fairly intentional situation I think.
@NEStalgia So the idea of Nintendo rowing in their own waters is still a factor here. But surely they're not very happy about the whole World situation?
@UmniKnight I'm certain they aren't! If Sony paid for that, it was a blindside. And if the rumors are true, that's why XX exists. We'll see what Capcom does. If there isn't a follow-up MH on switch, Nintendo isn't going to be thrilled with that situation. If World doesn't sell great in Japan, and I don't think it will, and neither does Capcom given their meager sales estimates for it, either they're being paid a bundle by Sony, or they'll end up rectifying that. Though the fix might be for Japan only...
@UmniKnight - Direct competition for Nintendo would offer them to the "Power Pissing Race," something third parties want simply because it maximizes THEIR return. Make a game, hit the lowest common denominator, drag the version across and call it good. In the end, Nintendo would lose the pissing contest, and in turn, potentially themselves in the end. The one who releases first, finishes first. But let's not get started on how this practice can essentially doom the industry as a whole.
So Nintendo attempting their own image is actually what is setting themselves apart enough for people to notice the Switch. So this practice is obviously serving them better.
As for Worlds; I think people are too eager to assume how Worlds is going to pan out. Mind you, the major market for Capcom's MH series is in Japan. And looking at how the market responded in comparison to the two announcements the Switch version of XX got both Nintendo and Capcom stock to experience huge spikes. However, Worlds didn't even move MS nor Sony's. The Lion's Share of the market has spoken they want it portable, and Worlds may not make as big a splash as people are predicting. The biggest sales of it will be on PC, and will pale in comparison to Switch's XX.
I will wager Switch XX will be a bit more supported (IE: DLC of various promotions) than Worlds in the long run. Both will essentially be successes.
That goes without saying that Capcom will not learn from developing Worlds. In fact, I believe Switch's initial XX release is merely capitalizing on the momentum with minimal effort, but also bridge the 3DS market to the Switch, establishing a market before they can get something more... Solid on the platform. And whatever Cappy learns from Worlds the first go around we will see reach Switch in full. Be is Worlds Ultimate, Worlds 2 or something spiritually different, it will more than likely reach Switch.
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I don't think anyone is "happy" seeing a good game go to another system that's not theirs, but with Nintendo there are so many hundreds of games that don't go to their system this is just another drop in the bucket for them.
If they were that bothered by it they would've saw to it that they secured exclusivity to keep the franchise on their system. But just because the last couple games released on Nintendo doesn't suddenly mean it's theirs. So I can't imagine them being too upset. Especially when they'll likely get the next one
Besides, it's not like Nintendo's handhelds don't sell on their own. They don't need any other person's game for their systems to sell
@Paraka "And whatever Cappy learns from Worlds the first go around we will see reach Switch in full. Be is Worlds Ultimate, Worlds 2 or something spiritually different, it will more than likely reach Switch." You'll have to forgive me that after being more than 100% convinced of XX reaching our shores, I won't be taking anything Capcom's for granted, until it's so very much confirmed, that going back on it will tarnish their reputation irrevocably.
When it comes to World, I think it has the potential to do great, but it can also fail to succeed in it's goal, that being get more Western people onboard with the franchise, entirely. It'll be a an interesting game to watch (and give a shot) as one who enjoys MH, that's for sure.
@UmniKnight - Well, look at the previous actions with MH and Capcom with localisations. Almost always have had the "Ultimate" version of the game shipped overseas except for Tri. Even then, the localizing and the news of it, were always given at last-minute news drops from Capcom.
So, if we're to actually see XX Switch (as opposed to the tradition of Capcom "Ultra-ing" their installments, but that's pretty much Switch ver. already), we'd literally hear about it a couple months prior to it releasing. Cause literally every game localized by Capcom since hitting Nintendo followed that pattern thus far.
So to be honest, I'd be more surprised that it wouldn't come. But we won't hear squat about it til even after it releases fully in Japan.
That said, even without the localization, Japan's market is pretty much the deciding factor of how the future of the MH series is dictated. And as we all can see, as of now, the market wants it portable, it wants it accessible, and it wants it anywhere. Though World may be enticing, Switch will see continued focus further on. Whether or not we see XX first before another on the western side is more the debate than -IF- we're getting more Switch MH games.
@Paraka And that's a rather big if imho. But eh, screw Capcom, there will hopefully be other online co-op games with as much longevity as Monster Hunter in the future, that do grace the Switch. That is, as soon as developers realize that it'll probably have the liveliest online community with the least downtime due to portability.
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@Octane We all know people will buy them because they say specifically for the Switch and that's where they get you on price. I see these being 30$ and 70$ respectively
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If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Hmm Sandisk are one of my two favourite memory card brands (the other being Lexar) but I'll wait and see what they are priced at; plus if they'll still have non Switch branded Sandisk cards.
Not that I need one yet as I've still got 15GB-20GB of the internal memory to spare.
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