Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Anybody else getting the pokken demo? I don't need it as I played the original but I gave my wiiu copy away as soon as the switch version was announced.

@BLP_Software Very well, even if it does fit as it's about the Switch's core concept, I'll give it a rest.

@Operative2-0 If the Switch does get a revision, I doubt first and most third party games will be demanding enough to not run on the OG Switch. Like New 3DS, it'll probably get a handful of exclusives on the stronger hardware.

I definitely feel you about the possibility of dividing the user base, though. I was and continue to be skeptical of this mid-gen upgrade thing everyone seems to be doing now.

@EvilLucario That portable to home-console is something that certainly interests me. I hope Pokemon will turn out great in that regard, same with SMT.

When giving it thought, I doubt demand for home-console experiences will ever die out, even if it seems handheld flies about as the crowning jewel. Guess I'll have to have some blind faith for once.

@UmniKnight It does fit about the Switch. But is the discussion going anywhere? Ask yourself that, when there are many more things to discuss.

I don't really like the mid-generation upgrade either, it seems really weird. I also feel like it's far too early to jump into 4K when it's still not the standard to have 1080p/1440p + 60 FPS. We've got stuff like 1440p 30 FPS, but wait there's 2160p 30 FPS with awful frame pacing or 1800p 40 FPS, and it's just maddening.

@EvilLucario Me either, to be fair - but at least nobody is left behind...the PS4 Pro/X1X are nice options, for those that want them but, for those that don't, they're still able to play the latest games (just at lower spec)

Probably best to leave those sorts of decisions to the Moderators, huh? Until the topic moves on to something else, this is 'on topic'...and quite a healthy and interesting discussion at that, if you ask me.

@NaviAndMii I am of two minds. One says yes it is a healthy discussion. But also, a healthy discussion progresses.

Neither side is budging. Every few posts he re-asks, but the dock is just cheap plastic, which moots all prior points, and it just starts again. That's the infuriating part. Not that its a bad discussion, but because it loops several times a day.

@BLP_Software I find it is definitely one to think about, considering that the Switch walks ways that are interesting and great, yet also very confusing. Again, just trying to put my mind at ease.

What else is there to discuss? Nintendo's third-party situation? I'd love some data on how their games are selling.

Let's just end it here though, and let's complain about the needless push to 4K before consistent 60 FPS. xd

@EvilLucario 60 FPS is good though, well, as long as it's stable. The frame-drops you get in BotW annoy me quite a lot actually. They're especially prominent when using Stasis+.

@BLP_Software Fair enough If consensus is that we're looping round and round in circles, then I'm happy to move on

@UmniKnight The various games being frequently announced? New details on others?

Yes your discussion is relevant but again, we bring up points regarding your fear of handheld only games, why the hybrid idea is necessary, and how developers approach it.

Some of your fears like Pokemon being handheld only are frankly absurd. Its up to developers how they market their games and for third parties its a LOT easier to sell a game because it can be portable should you choose, rather than a slightly lesser TV experience that people will ignore. The whole point of marketing is a Unique Selling Point. The USP of Switch is that it is a hybrid. Game developers are wise to do that and even with the 2 handheld only games, it doesn't go against the play anywhere slogan.

All your counter arguments have simply dine is restart the debate. We get to a certain point and you bring up the dock again. We go further and you bring up the 2 handheld only games. Then you bring up how people use it again. Then you bring up marketing again. It goes on and on.

@BLP_Software I'm not going to repeat myself, as you've said, let's just move on. Time will tell what happens with the Switch and it's games in the end. What I meant by third-parties, is if they're doing well on Switch, that's all.

@UmniKnight Third party sales numbers seem to be good. Disagaea 5 hit 100k, Bomberman was 500k and SF2 was 450k.

Skyrim will no doubt do well, and its interesting to note EA is Fe over before theyve seen FIFA do well. Maybe they have some faith.

@UmniKnight Oh yeah BotW has quite some frame drops. Not just Stasis, Magnesis and Cryonis can also cause some slight drops. But with the patches, it's MUCH better than it used to be.

I just wish that developers would prioritize aiming for a mostly locked 60 FPS at 1080p (or even 1440p if possible) instead of keep pushing to 4K with potentially horrific FPS/frame pacing. Granted most people can't tell the difference between 30 FPS and 60 and some people aren't sensitive to FPS drops, but if more and more and more developers start targeting consistent 60 FPS instead of just pushing graphics, more and more people will go back and think "wow, this game of old feels worse than today's games. What happened?" I doubt that will happen since it's easier to sell on graphics than frame rate, but that's just a dream I wish developers (outside of Nintendo, who really REALLY take high and consistent FPS seriously) would step back and prioritize, even though it's likely to not happen for a long time.

Granted some of Nintendo's own games in the past did not run at high frame rates (N64 games, pretty much every 3D Zelda) and other games like Xenoblade are very unlikely to hit 60 FPS, but I want as an industry standard.

@EvilLucario I know all about horrific frame-drops, since I've gone through my fair share of MMO's. I've once experienced 0 FPS for about 15 seconds during a world-event, falling down in an area with 50+ players all doing their abilities on 1 big boss, only landing when it all went quiet again.

Frame-drops are are just annoying, but I guess BotW can get away with it, on account on it being on Wii-U as well.

@UmniKnight @EvilLucario The catch is:

What sounds better in an add? 4K ultra high drfinition, or 60fps smooth gameplay?

To the average joe at least. Remember TV and movies are 25fps. Gaming is ideally 60. So resolution is the logical sell

@BLP_Software It'll be very interesting to see how Rabbids does, since that's pretty much the first ground-up third-party game, isn't it?

@BLP_Software I don't know, since I'm very far from the average Joe in terms of thinking, but I'm guessing you mean 4K ultra high derpfinition.