@BLP_Software I read an article on Eurogamer a few days ago, not sure when exactly it was from but it said of all the games currently available on Switch over 80% of them are 60fps.
@BLP_Software I'm looking forward to a future where large 4k displays are cheap and outdated, and while everyone is arguing over the validation of getting surgery to replace their eyes with ones capable of percieving giga-scan dodecatuple RGB-range 65,536x34,560 mural displays with motion-detecting cameras for shining the beams of light directly into each viewer's eyes across their plus-sized living rooms with a blinking-based remote control scheme, I'll be enjoying a nice 4K display which is already beyond what I can tell the difference up-close for a bargain price.
A lot like the modern day, in fact. Except the bargain price part.
For the sake of a fun anecdotal conversation, how are the Switch Supplies in your area. When it first came out it was sold out everywhere here in my area, but things have significantly calmed down. According to the Gamestop that I sometimes go to, people are also frequently returning their Switches. The stores I've seen also seemingly have a lot in supply now.
Like I said, all anecdotal, but I'm interested in others' stories.
@Nicolai Sign me up. I've forgotten what stereoscopic vision feels like. lol. Then again I like that I can drive close to the line without being distracted on the left when I'm in tight spaces like construction areas or small bridges.
@-Green- I've never seen any in the wild. Supposedly local stores are getting stock but they get cleaned out pretty quickly. I live in a small town now so they aren't getting more than 5-10 systems per store.
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@-Green- I'm waiting for a bundle so I'm not really actively looking for them, but even then I have seen them at Walmart on multiple occasions. They are always gone the next time I'm there, but I have had many chances to get one if I had wanted to.
@-Green- I wouldn't know the full extent of current stock in my area, but when I went to pre-order my Switch, there was (IIRC) only four Switches left available. Granted, that was the Saturday following the Switch showcase, so demand was much higher then.
The online listing for EB Games has both Switches out of stock.
And I gotta be honest, guys, a lot of 4k vs. HD discussions have the odor of "the haves vs. the have-nots," if I'm being totally honest. And you can argue it either way. The "haves" with the 4k say they can definitely see the difference, but the "have-nots" with the standard stuff say we're just seeing things and trying to justify our purchase. There's always a hint of jealousy and stubborness from the "have-nots," and always an air of indignance from the "haves."
It's pretty silly. But I'm with @Octane on this one. There's a difference, guys. A real, perceivable difference in image between an HD and 4k set. If you don't own a 4k and don't want to believe that, then fine. Run through all the numbers and graphs you want to "prove" your point; accuse us of merely wanting to see the difference, etc. if that will help justify your position. But from one dude with a 4k TV to a bunch of other dudes who may or may not have 4k TVs: there's a noticeable, very nice upgrade in the image whether you're watching upscaled cable or bona-fide Ultra Blu-Ray.
This is such an patronizing and elitist post. This is the equivalent to me saying "You are just trying to justify your failed purchase". Do you use that logic in other areas, such as politics? By that logic a person not interested in politics, but always vote republican would be better to listen to than one that didn't vote because that person couldn't stand behind any of the parties platforms.
I have repeatedly said that it is better to look at the other parts of what the 4k TVs offers. Buying a 4k TV for the pixel counts is stupid as hell, since the median household sits so far away that they are barely getting any benefits from 1080p. Sure you might have bought a big enough TV and sits close enough (which is easy to test btw), but the vast majority would be far better of if they look at the other areas the newer TV sets offer. Such as contrast, saturation, the HDR range of that particular set, the smart functions etc. Informed purchases are always preferred.
@Therad For the record, I mean to say that I can't tell the difference, but I don't deny that other people can. I just consider myself to have pretty fuzzy eyesight.
And I gotta be honest, guys, a lot of 4k vs. HD discussions have the odor of "the haves vs. the have-nots," if I'm being totally honest. [...] There's always a hint of jealousy and stubborness from the "have-nots," and always an air of indignance from the "haves."
I'm more than capable of arguing the merits of a thing I don't have. I'd also note that I didn't once say that 4K was pointless or that people are drinking the coolaid for buying into it. I'm probably going to get a 4K set myself by the end of the year if you must know. All I said was that UHD is a much harder sell than HD was.
It's as simple as this. When HD came along it was easy to sell people on the idea of a brand new setup. HDMI, LCD, 16:9, BluRay, Larger screen and possibly even digital TV were all things that came along for the ride. All of which were massive improvements over what most people had before. With UHD? I've already got a ~50" LCD and higher quality disks are less of a big deal now I stream most of my content. I know there's a benefit so if and when I get a new set I'll be going UHD but I don't think it's a game-changer like buying into HD was ten years ago
The Switch doesn't support HDMI 2.0 (USB-C is the bottleneck), so HDR isn't possible unfortunately.
There's no reason I can see why they couldn't do it over that connector. Technically the Switch is outputting a Display Port signal that converts to HDMI 1.4. USB Type C isn't the bottleneck. The main issue is that they've gone with a dock that converts the DP signal to HDMI 1.4. Potentially the Tegra chip itself doesn't support HDR either. But the connector itself is not an issue.
@skywake I thought it was due to the USB-C connector. Can USB-C do USB 3, HDMI 2.0 AND power delivery? I thought that was the issue. Why else opt for an HDMI 1.4 port instead of a 2.0? The Nvidia Shield support HDR, and isn't the Tegra X1 chip in the Switch based on the older Tegra 4?
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It's complicated. Technically the HDMI Alt-Mode for Type-C only supports HDMI 1.4 and USB 2.0. That's what I thought the Switch would use but it doesn't. It uses something more along the lines of DisplayPort Alt-Mode for Type C which can do USB 3.0 and Display Port 1.3. And Display Port 1.3 supports all of the features of HDMI 2.0 and some.
I'm fairly sure that the only reason they've gone with HDMI 1.4 is to cut costs in the dock. Which is a shame because it means no HDR. But it also means that, in theory, they could release an updated dock down the line that supports features from HDMI 2.1
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And I gotta be honest, guys, a lot of 4k vs. HD discussions have the odor of "the haves vs. the have-nots," if I'm being totally honest. And you can argue it either way. The "haves" with the 4k say they can definitely see the difference, but the "have-nots" with the standard stuff say we're just seeing things and trying to justify our purchase. There's always a hint of jealousy and stubborness from the "have-nots," and always an air of indignance from the "haves."
It's pretty silly. But I'm with @Octane on this one. There's a difference, guys. A real, perceivable difference in image between an HD and 4k set. If you don't own a 4k and don't want to believe that, then fine. Run through all the numbers and graphs you want to "prove" your point; accuse us of merely wanting to see the difference, etc. if that will help justify your position. But from one dude with a 4k TV to a bunch of other dudes who may or may not have 4k TVs: there's a noticeable, very nice upgrade in the image whether you're watching upscaled cable or bona-fide Ultra Blu-Ray.
This is such an patronizing and elitist post. This is the equivalent to me saying "You are just trying to justify your failed purchase". Do you use that logic in other areas, such as politics? By that logic a person not interested in politics, but always vote republican would be better to listen to than one that didn't vote because that person couldn't stand behind any of the parties platforms.
I have repeatedly said that it is better to look at the other parts of what the 4k TVs offers. Buying a 4k TV for the pixel counts is stupid as hell, since the median household sits so far away that they are barely getting any benefits from 1080p. Sure you might have bought a big enough TV and sits close enough (which is easy to test btw), but the vast majority would be far better of if they look at the other areas the newer TV sets offer. Such as contrast, saturation, the HDR range of that particular set, the smart functions etc. Informed purchases are always preferred.
Anyway, I am done with this discussion.
Oh, and I have a 4k TV.
Well said. I actually think that this has been, for the most part, quite a fair and reasoned discussion...people have had contrasting opinions, which I think was only to be expected - after all, people have different wants, needs, priorities and perspectives - but if it's going to degenerate in to this kind of thing then I, too, am out.
You know what's weird? Lately, whenever I turn my Switch off (off off), the backlight turns on after a few seconds. Anyone else have this problem? It mostly just wastes energy, and makes me skeptical that the thing is truly not running.
@BLP_Software September is looking pretty exciting but Mario plus Rabbids is probably going to be my next purchase for the system that will keep me busy for a while!
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