And I gotta be honest, guys, a lot of 4k vs. HD discussions have the odor of "the haves vs. the have-nots," if I'm being totally honest. [...] There's always a hint of jealousy and stubborness from the "have-nots," and always an air of indignance from the "haves."
I'm more than capable of arguing the merits of a thing I don't have. I'd also note that I didn't once say that 4K was pointless or that people are drinking the coolaid for buying into it. I'm probably going to get a 4K set myself by the end of the year if you must know. All I said was that UHD is a much harder sell than HD was.
It's as simple as this. When HD came along it was easy to sell people on the idea of a brand new setup. HDMI, LCD, 16:9, BluRay, Larger screen and possibly even digital TV were all things that came along for the ride. All of which were massive improvements over what most people had before. With UHD? I've already got a ~50" LCD and higher quality disks are less of a big deal now I stream most of my content. I know there's a benefit so if and when I get a new set I'll be going UHD but I don't think it's a game-changer like buying into HD was ten years ago
The Switch doesn't support HDMI 2.0 (USB-C is the bottleneck), so HDR isn't possible unfortunately.
There's no reason I can see why they couldn't do it over that connector. Technically the Switch is outputting a Display Port signal that converts to HDMI 1.4. USB Type C isn't the bottleneck. The main issue is that they've gone with a dock that converts the DP signal to HDMI 1.4. Potentially the Tegra chip itself doesn't support HDR either. But the connector itself is not an issue.
@skywake I thought it was due to the USB-C connector. Can USB-C do USB 3, HDMI 2.0 AND power delivery? I thought that was the issue. Why else opt for an HDMI 1.4 port instead of a 2.0? The Nvidia Shield support HDR, and isn't the Tegra X1 chip in the Switch based on the older Tegra 4?
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It's complicated. Technically the HDMI Alt-Mode for Type-C only supports HDMI 1.4 and USB 2.0. That's what I thought the Switch would use but it doesn't. It uses something more along the lines of DisplayPort Alt-Mode for Type C which can do USB 3.0 and Display Port 1.3. And Display Port 1.3 supports all of the features of HDMI 2.0 and some.
I'm fairly sure that the only reason they've gone with HDMI 1.4 is to cut costs in the dock. Which is a shame because it means no HDR. But it also means that, in theory, they could release an updated dock down the line that supports features from HDMI 2.1
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And I gotta be honest, guys, a lot of 4k vs. HD discussions have the odor of "the haves vs. the have-nots," if I'm being totally honest. And you can argue it either way. The "haves" with the 4k say they can definitely see the difference, but the "have-nots" with the standard stuff say we're just seeing things and trying to justify our purchase. There's always a hint of jealousy and stubborness from the "have-nots," and always an air of indignance from the "haves."
It's pretty silly. But I'm with @Octane on this one. There's a difference, guys. A real, perceivable difference in image between an HD and 4k set. If you don't own a 4k and don't want to believe that, then fine. Run through all the numbers and graphs you want to "prove" your point; accuse us of merely wanting to see the difference, etc. if that will help justify your position. But from one dude with a 4k TV to a bunch of other dudes who may or may not have 4k TVs: there's a noticeable, very nice upgrade in the image whether you're watching upscaled cable or bona-fide Ultra Blu-Ray.
This is such an patronizing and elitist post. This is the equivalent to me saying "You are just trying to justify your failed purchase". Do you use that logic in other areas, such as politics? By that logic a person not interested in politics, but always vote republican would be better to listen to than one that didn't vote because that person couldn't stand behind any of the parties platforms.
I have repeatedly said that it is better to look at the other parts of what the 4k TVs offers. Buying a 4k TV for the pixel counts is stupid as hell, since the median household sits so far away that they are barely getting any benefits from 1080p. Sure you might have bought a big enough TV and sits close enough (which is easy to test btw), but the vast majority would be far better of if they look at the other areas the newer TV sets offer. Such as contrast, saturation, the HDR range of that particular set, the smart functions etc. Informed purchases are always preferred.
Anyway, I am done with this discussion.
Oh, and I have a 4k TV.
Well said. I actually think that this has been, for the most part, quite a fair and reasoned discussion...people have had contrasting opinions, which I think was only to be expected - after all, people have different wants, needs, priorities and perspectives - but if it's going to degenerate in to this kind of thing then I, too, am out.
You know what's weird? Lately, whenever I turn my Switch off (off off), the backlight turns on after a few seconds. Anyone else have this problem? It mostly just wastes energy, and makes me skeptical that the thing is truly not running.
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@NEStalgia Handheld. Sorry for not clarifying. I'm trying it again, though, because may it was because I had it charging. It's still weird that it didn't go away when I unplugged it, though.
@Nicolai Hmm, if you're purely in handheld (i.e. not docking/undocking at all) the screen shouldn't be turning on....that's not sounding normal. Granted, I don't turn mine off unless I'm rebooting it for one reason or another, so I don't have too much experience with that, but it doesn't sound normal.
When you turn it back on does it go through the usual Nintendo logo->Switch logo->home menu cycle with black screens for the first two?
Just ask for some clarification next time, guys - no worries.
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If the system is off (sleeping), I don't think it should be turning on by just removing it from the dock... hang on, let me try... well, for me, it just brings up the lock screen that you have to hit the button three times, but if you don't, it just turns off again.
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