Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@FGPackers With that attitude the Switch will become another Wii U! Regardless if you're going to buy the game or not; More games means a bigger library, which in turns means more potential customers and a bigger userbase, which equals more games. So it's always a good thing.

Well if the Wii U can handle DK's HD fur,I don't see why the Switch won't be able to handle Chewbacca's.

When they release VC and we inevitably have to buy games we've bought before there will be uproar. But why? Owning games on old consoles doesn't entitle you to get them for free on new consoles. I hear people say about cross buy but that's an entirely different thing. Thats getting a game that can be played on systems in the same generation. Don't get me wrong you can strip me naked and paint me purple before I pay for those games again but that doesn't qualify me for a new copy on a new console. If someone buys BoTW on Wii u they won't get a free copy when they make the switch.

I think people need to understand that its not the ROMs that cost lots of money (Unless its third party at which point start coughing up dough for licensing kids, thats just how it works) but rather getting them running in an emulator.

Given the move to a new architecture the emulators are needing to be redesigned. An emulator takes the resources of thr system its on, and uses that to make it behave like the original system.

When you go from Power PC to ARM, you need to accomodate for that. And then you need to ensure the ROM works, doesnt crash, has few if any issues, and so on.

So yes, while it is just a file, it doesnt run natively and still needs to be tested, re-certified with ratings, re-negotiated with whoever owns/bought the relevant IP kf they still exist, and have these costs and more tied to them.

Plus, before anyone says its free on the internet. Yeah, it is. For a hobbyist.

When you are a multinational corporation you have to, by law, negotiate these licenses and sadly despite people making emulators for free, Nintendo has to pay the staff who make and maintain this work.

This is why there was a small upgrade fee for Wii to Wii U.

I need to stop giving people doses of reality and just let them live in delusions.

Nah, should be free considering we've bought them over and over again since the wii. Same game, no enhancements. If they add something in like online play for older titles I'd say that's worth a price. Otherwise, nah.

@Octane i did not say it is bad. I did say that i don't care. Difference is pretty big

@FGPackers I never claimed you said that either! Read again. All I said was that more games is always good, whether you're planning on buying them or not.

@BigBadJohn
Uh no. I owned a psp and downloaded games and ps1 classics on it. When I bought my vita my purchases were tied to my account and I could redownload all my purchases onto my vita for no charge, no upgrade fee. I give Nintendo a pass the first time going from Wii to 3ds and WiiU, but not allowing purchases to carry over to the switch is another matter.

@GameOtaku Did they add any value to those games though? Nintendo added value by adding the save feature and miiverse. If they add value on the Switch versions by including online vs / leaderboards etc, then they are well within their rights to charge an upgrade fee. So, honest question, did you get any added value playing on vita? If not, then free was the right choice. If yes, then maybe Ninty are penny pinching.

@GrailUK
No extras. But if we are talking VC there was no added features between Wii and WiiU/3ds. There was no leaderboards or miiverse support.

@GameOtaku The Wii U added a save state. Folk paid the quid fiddy for that

@Octane can't agree more!

@BLP_Software On the Internet EVERYONE knows that software doesn't cost money to make and companies don't have to pay employees to do work, and because I want something cheap or free a company should provide it cheap an free, who cares how they treat their employees. And if you can steal it for free you're entitled to the right of getting a legit license for free too. And once something is done free or cheap on the Interent it's free and cheap for everyone forever more because we all love sharing and caring. Let's hold hands and sing kumbaya. Where's my government check?

Let's just completely ignore that Microsoft is managing to give people their games from the 360 without going bankrupt. What sorcery they must be using. Truly a mystery that Nintendo could never solve.

I bought sonic back in 1992 on the mega drive, Can I have that free of charge on the switch? Listen don't get me wrong I've spent a lot on VC and it'd be great to get them back for nothing to play on the Switch. However we are not automatically entitled to them. If you bought them on 3ds or the Wii u then keep playing them on them. That's what you paid for, not the right to transfer them to every Nintendo console from now till the end of time.

@Operative2-0 Simple: Those games are running in an emulator (it even says so on the official FAQ) and not all games are supported as a result. The hardware architecture isn't compatible but it has the horsepower to spare to emulate the older PPC, and the OS in both cases is just a Windows kernel so there's a fair level of existing compatibility. They are doing continued development of the emulator though, so credit to them spending resources on that.

WiiU did the same with Wii games running a full emulation mode including the OS itself, while the hardware shared similar architecture making it easy, and of course due to the same architecture worked on ALL games instead of some. The WiiU versions sold later were modified versions with WiiU features added in.

Switch for all its strengths is certainly not a machine you want to be running PPC emulation on and expect good results, and for WiiU games, we have to keep in mind that the Switch is less powerful than X1, and the WiiU is notably more powerful than the X360 (game journalists circa 2013 aside.)

PS4 can't emulate the Cell processor of the PS3 well, which was always more powerful and a lot more cryptic than either Wii or X360 and they've resorted to that awful steaming service as a substitute.

All I'm saying is Microsoft manages to manually make games backwards compatible, both physical and digital, and doesn't need to charge for them. They even have added benefits thanks to the xbox ones advanced power. Literally all people are asking for is, if the game is exactly the same as the one they bought on the wii u or 3DS, to not pay for them again. I'm not saying that doesn't cost anything for Nintendo, but there is always going to be a market buying them for the first time on the switch, which I'm more than sure would cover the costs. If they add in additional features then yeah, charge an upgrade fee or full price again. But if it's nothing improved and they want full price despite buying the game on wii, wii u, and even 3DS,i just find it indefensible. This time around you won't even get miiverse support. So that excuse is out the window. The 3DS had the portability covered, so for many games that's also out the window. What's left?

Either way, it's hopefully a moot point since reggie hinted at some sort of upgrade program if I remember right.

So is anyone to acknowledge that Destiny 2, one of the biggest games of the year, isn't coming to the Switch?

I wouldn't expect it to, honestly. It would fail miserably, not to mention they've probably been working on it for ages, long before they got a switch dev kit.

@LeRaposa Destiny 1 was an incredibly poor game. I'll say Thats just my opinion just to get people off my back but it was so dull. That thing cost more than most blockbuster movies and literally the dullest gameplay I have every experienced. I bought the day one download with the dlc pass from PlayStation store for about £80 and I dont think I played any of the expansion packs. After playing the main game I had more enjoyable things to do like repeatabley stabbing myself in the leg with a fork. That being said the graphics where quite good.