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Topic: NVIDIA leak may hint at new Switch / Nintendo system

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Magician

@NinChocolate As long as the Switch successor is able to play PS4/Xbone ports (all the third party games the current Switch hasn't received thus far) at a consistent resolution of 480p or above and a stable framerate of 25-30fps I'll be content.

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Magician wrote:

@NinChocolate As long as the Switch successor is able to play PS4/Xbone ports (all the third party games the current Switch hasn't received thus far) at a consistent resolution of 480p or above and a stable framerate of 25-30fps I'll be content.

If they go DLSS the fps would be more stable and higher @1080p or even 4K Docked Switch. There is no way to 4K/DLSS on portable screen that would be a Battery Killer.

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GrailUK

Is there a possibility that a game could use DLSS AND support AMD Fidelity FX at the same time? Not sure if that would be thing.

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GrailUK wrote:

Is there a possibility that a game could use DLSS AND support AMD Fidelity FX at the same time? Not sure if that would be thing.

If anything the Nvidia leak showed they weren't looking to use AMF Fidelity FX which if descriptions was akin to DLSS.

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GrailUK

@SwitchForce True, but it's software so I was wondering if there would be any benefit to using both. (Full disclosure - I have no idea about stuff like this lol.)

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BruceCM

Well, AMDs version will only go with their GPUs, @GrailUK .... While DLSS will only go with Nvidia graphics cards I'm hardly any sort of expert but there'd be no way to have both of them

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GrailUK

@BruceCM Fair dos. Just wondered because Switch Sports was apparently using the AMD thingy.

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BruceCM

Oh, was it, @GrailUK .... Odd, since it's a Nvidia GPU inside but was that confirmed or speculated? I'm sure we have some people here who'd know more about such things, though, so perhaps they'll help us out

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BruceCM

Just seen an SE blog & it says: "Within Life is Strange: True Colors, we have integrated the AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) technique for when the game is docked, which increases performance at 1080p without a hit to visual quality."
So, there's definitely FSR in at least that game on Switch after all.... Dunno if that rules out dlss, though?

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skywake

DLSS and FidelityFX are very different implementations. Nvidia has gone down the path of putting dedicated space on their chips that are good at a different kind of highly parallel processing. It's what they use for both DLSS and Ray Tracing. AMD took a different path and have decided not to take up that much dedicated space on their cards for Ray Tracing/AI tasks. So their AI upscaling is done in software and their Ray Tracing is well..... only partially hardware accelerated....

Because FidelityFX is a software solution to the problem? You can run it on anything. As others have said there are Switch games that already have FidelityFX, I believe Switch Sports is even one of them. But because FidelityFX is a software solution it's generally not as performant as DLSS. To be clear, neither are "free" upscaling it's just that DLSS offloads the task to a separate processor that's designed specifically for handling those kinds of tasks. So DLSS is done without any performance loss and can be a more significant scale on lower powered silicon

Worth being clear though, DLSS isn't magic. There's still a limit to how far you can upscale and given the likely fairly low Tensor Core count of the Switch Pro/2. This video had a pretty good breakdown on what this could all mean for the next Switch

for the people who can't be bothered watching.... takeaway should be to think of it as delivering probably something around this. Left being without DLSS, right being with DLSS.
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Perfect? No. But still pretty damn significant. To be clear, 4K upscaling will probably only be attempted for games running at 30fps. If they want to do 60fps it's probably going to be upscaling to at most 1440p. That's just because of the likely limit of how many Tensor Cores this thing will have. And I did mention Tensor Cores also being used for Ray Tracing before, you can forget about Ray Tracing on Switch 2/Pro

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Grumblevolcano

Given the way Xbox and Playstation are going (see Halo Infinite and GT7 as examples of what I'm on about), I'm hoping Switch ends up being like last year. Basically that people expect Switch Pro from this and then out of nowhere Nintendo reveals the Switch Lite OLED instead.

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Magician

Another spirited Nvidia leak discussion. Time stamp 15:36 to 28:25.

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WoomyNNYes

@SwitchForce "Switch Forward" sounds awful. Sounds like today's "NX", designating that that software is compatible with future switch console iteration or, is forward compatible.

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At this point I wouldn't be surprised the Youtube video posted would indicate a change in production where part of it is dedicated to the upcoming Switch version in the family line.

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WoomyNNYes

@blindsquarel I think everyone knows Nintendo Prime was making a guess based on a leak with no explanation. Thanks for the update.

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Did we all forget that there was a LEAK inside Nvidia hack that proved showed there was development in 2019 or sooner for the Switch next generation console. A Nvidia leak is about close as one can get to the source stating they had one in development and most likely testing but Covid changed those plans and was production was most likely getting started. Only Covid changed those plans.

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