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metaphysician

My personal theory remains: A good chunk of the story problems with Other M are the result of it having started life as a prequel. Samus being weirdly subordinate, and having an exaggerated response to meeting Ridley, would make a lot more sense if this is Samus whose a relatively inexperienced 20 year old Federation Marine. Likewise, you wouldn't have the "adjacent duplicate of Fusion" issue with the larger plot.

Obviously, I have no proof. But between the earliest teasers only showing scenes from the "flashbacks", and the sheer amount of stuff that would work better if this were set pre-Zero Mission? I'll continue to believe that it was intended as a prequel at least for part of its development, and only got reworked into post-Super later on.

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NintendoByNature

Been able to do some light gaming and basically just doing crystal farming and energy tank finding. Should be all good to finish off the game by the weekend

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JaxonH

@NintendoByNature
Let us know when you beat the game, or make notable progress worth sharing. I wanna hear your thoughts.

We are blessed to have access to the following on Switch 2:

  • Metroid [NES]
  • Metroid II [GB]
  • Metroid Fusion [GBA]
  • Metroid Zero Mission [GBA]
  • Metroid Dread [NS]
  • Metroid Prime Remastered [NS]
  • Metroid Prime 4 [NS2]

Here's to hoping we see Metroid: Samus Returns ported to Switch (an easy release to throw a bone to Switch owners while providing 4k 60fps on NS2), as well as Metroid Prime 2, Metroid Prime 3 and Metroid Prime Hunters. Then we'll be eating like champs. All the food in the kitchen. Even the ice cube trays will be left empty.

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Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
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NintendoByNature

@JaxonH will definitely keep you posted. I’m at the point where I can head to crono tower and I saved it for the night. I’ll try to jump back in later.

I’ll be replaying zero mission, fusion and maybe even firing up the old 2ds to play some Samus returns in a replay. Such a fun game. Ngl though, I think I’m more of a 2d Metroid guy if I’m being honest. Dread might be my favorite in the series. It’s just so good, easy 10/10

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JaxonH

@NintendoByNature
Have you played Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown? I love Dread but I thought Lost Crown was even better.

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Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions

Switch Friend Code: SW-1947-6504-9005

eldersnake

Well I finished it last night. Kicking myself a bit cos I got 100% items, but somehow only 92% logbook scans. And I REALLY made a thing about scanning every little thing I could, so what I missed I'm not totally sure but I have a feeling it might have generally been in early game somewhere.

I'm still processing the ending. In some ways I feel it was rushed a bit, or at least, there used to be a lot more that was cut out, and maybe that lends credence to the idea the game was much bigger before being split up, which maybe will turn into Prime 5.

Besides that though there are surprisingly deep things I found about that final area of the game in terms of story, in regards to the Lamorn, that I appreciated. Don't know how to post spoiler tags here so I won't go into it, but for anyone that has played all the way through you probably know what I'm talking about and how melancholic it is.

Overall I enjoyed the game a lot. While I dont think I can quite go the perfect 10/10, its easily enough a 9/10 for me.

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JaxonH

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Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions

Switch Friend Code: SW-1947-6504-9005

NintendoByNature

@JaxonH sure did. Also a top tier metroidvania, but I think I like dread just a bit more.

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JaxonH

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Can't blame you. Dread is incredible.

I think I just liked the music and level design more, and the movesets. The bosses were also A-tier, though Dread's bosses were S-tier. I especially liked the medallion badge thingies that you could equip with 1, 2 or 3 slots required, mixing and matching for your playstyle.

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions

Switch Friend Code: SW-1947-6504-9005

NintendoByNature

@JaxonH no doubt. I just beat the game. Not the ending I expected, that’s for sure. I’m assuming you have to teleport out with your allies holding back sylux yea? I’m almost didn’t press it but once I heard all the beeping and red flashing lights I quickly hit ‘a’ 😂. Definitely sets up for a return of sylux. Overall I liked it better than prime 1. I’d give it a solid 9/10.

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eldersnake

Thanks @JaxonH

@NintendoByNature yeah I refused to hit the teleport button the first time thinking I could save my friends... Nope, whole place went bang and I had to re-do the Sylux fight from the wormhole section xD

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kkslider5552000

Ok I'm like 3 hours into the game (actually 3 hours since it seems like the in-game time works on "dialogue and menus don't count" mode). Real quick thoughts:

-Unless the later areas prove this wrong, very linear start.

-Also unless there's a better way to deal with this, best AND worst use of gyro. When it works, its really good and fits more naturally than even Splatoon (in that gameplay is built in very specific ways around it), but there's no easy way to auto-fix it if I move my arm that I know of which means I have to manually switch control schemes back and forth if I want to point at the screen and have it only move when I actually move it right or left. I miss pointer controls so badly either way, giant mistake throwing it away. Not as bad, but I am reminded of how I couldn't move my head or neck at all if I wanted to see 3D on my regular 3DS.

-Maybe best looking game I've played on Switch, and I played Alien: Isolation recently.

-Music is very good so far, which unfortunately is a notable thing to bring up for a modern, new Metroid game.

-Myles' first scene is awful but he is otherwise semi-tolerable. It is annoying that this sort of thing is considered Marvel writing when it is closer to a specific type of "bad nerd character writing" that you can find in movies from the 90s. More interesting is that between the more linear parts and the obligatory talky, helpful character, it feels like this part of the game is straight out of the Xbox 360 era more than anything. It's like the developers didn't know From Software games and BOTW exist so you don't need to do this anymore. I half expect the game to re-teach me my moves with on screen text while playing every time I load my save file. This aspect isn't good but for the most part my reaction is more "...huh :/" than anything.

Like most of the game is a semi-expected follow up to Prime 3 and so it is very good, like Prime 3, but one too many of its notable differences from past games is less than ideal early on.

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B3RTAY

My experience with this game really started to sag by the time me and my enforced comrades headed for the mine. The griever might be one of the blandest enemy types I’ve ever seen in a Metroid so imagine how crestfallen I was to have to vacantly mow down endless crowds of the things. I’ve just started ball boosting past them now…

I personally don’t even mind the characters all that much. Sure, I’d rather they weren’t there and they’re hamstrung by being in a Nintendo game…no one can be too dark or weird, so the robot felt like the most successful stab at an actual personality (fantastic sound processing on his voice,too). But having them all apparently die one by one in three successive guns blazing/doors closing scenes? I just thought, aw, see you when I get back up top.

Its biggest failing to me is how aggressively your whole eventual move set is telegraphed ahead of time, with zero surprises in store. Might not seem such a big deal but I felt like I could picture the entire next chapter just by scanning an impassable door. For a game that fixates on beautifully realized alien tech, the venture into bog standard elemental settings and powers is, simply put, a shame. It just becomes by the numbers Metroid but ahhhh phew here’s a massive crystal hunt! I thought I was vigilant but after all areas cleared I cashed in a whopping 25%. I’m all set to tap out, this is not Triple A game design, it’s the wind waker triforce crawl but in a setting you’re already bored of. It’s also very poorly telegraphed that the crystals are story mandatory.

This is C- to D grade Nintendo. Better than Tingle’s Rupee Adventure but not quite as good as Wii Music. It’s also very beautiful in how it looks and sounds. I haven’t hated my time with it or anything, but it’s entertained me much less than some ‘25 releases a fraction of its tall asking price.

Switch 2 update for Dread, please.

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JaxonH

@kkslider5552000
For gyro it's phenomenal BUT you have to change the settings correctly.

Under CAMERA toggle gyro ON.
Under CURSOR toggle gyro OFF.

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions

Switch Friend Code: SW-1947-6504-9005

JaxonH

@kkslider5552000
Yes there is. I can screenshot it for you. Trust me it's there.

In Settings, go down to CAMERA, and enable gyro motion controls.

In Settings, go down to CURSOR, and disable gyro motion controls.

Believe me it's there.

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions

Switch Friend Code: SW-1947-6504-9005

JaxonH

@kkslider5552000
Gyro for CAMERA turns gyro on all the time, when you're not holding ZL to target lock.

Gyro for CURSOR turns gyro on when you're holding ZL, enabling motion controls for "Free-Aim" instead of just the right stick.

The reason you want to enable it for Camera is to easily aim and lock-on to whatever target you want. The reason you want to disable it for Cursor is so that your natural movements of the controller when locked on don't move the reticle off-target.

There is a Motion Threshold slider you can use to adjust how much motion moves you off-target and into Free Aim when Cursor Gyro is enabled but, better to just disable Cursor Gyro entirely, then enable "Revised Free Aim" for the right stick, where holding the Right Analog in a direction snaps to subtargets.

By default, the game has CAMERA gyro disabled and CURSOR gyro enabled which is the exact opposite of what it should be to match Prime Remastered gyro control scheme. But once you reverse both of those to CAMERA gyro on and CURSOR gyro off, with revised free-aim for right stick, it's chef's kiss.

Hope that helps! You're not the first person I had to point this out to. Retro messed up with their default control scheme, but thankfully it can be remedied.

Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions

Switch Friend Code: SW-1947-6504-9005

kkslider5552000

Well thankfully I did finally notice or possibly inexplicably found the manual reset on ZR, which does immediately help a lot. I was bewildered that 14 years after Skyward Sword it would not be there, which in a sane world is the first and only thing anyone would've complained about this game if it wasn't there at all.

I am also just assuming that I'm supposed to just turn down the settings for the cursor to 0, because otherwise there has not been a specific, binary, "turn on or off" gyro option in the camera or cursor setting. It is like on the Wii you can have Wiimote audio come out of the tv if you turn the volume all the way off on the Wiimote. This is the 2nd specific Wii reference in this post.

Don't worry I have a Wii U reference too, remember when the better control option for Star Fox Zero was in the pause menu? Why would you do that, why did you make people not like your game for no reason? The majority of Star Fox Zero is reasonable to play actually, why didn't they tell more people about that? Very weird.

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JaxonH

@kkslider5552000
Idk how you're not seeing this bro.

Make your settings look like this. I disabled Revised Lock-On Free Aim to be able to highlight the gyro option you need to disable, but ideally you would toggle Revised Lock-On Free Aim to On also.

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Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions

Switch Friend Code: SW-1947-6504-9005

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