Topic: DOOM

On my local retailer, it says DOOM is supposed to cost 69,99 but that they're offering it for 59,99 (for Switch of course).

@DTMOF84 No Doom for the Switch has everything. You're right i should take this seat

@UmniKnight Of course they'd say that

Good luck to those trying to explain reality to the "wah, I'm entitled to it cheaper because irrelevant reasons" club. Some people seem to live in alternate timeline where development is free and these businesses are actually charities.

Anyway, for potential buyers the cart is 39.99 at Amazon (37.99 with Prime) or the download can be had for 37.27 (with a potential currency charges on top) from the South African eshop.

@electrolite77 Personally I went out of my way to pay 59,99 for Xenoverse 2 on Switch, but you have to keep in mind that these games -are- older, and that not everyone sees the value in a Switch version. That's just the way it is.

Value is subjective of course, but the idea that they should do some kind of price matching across formats is so divorced from reality it makes me wonder who still believes in the tooth fairy.

@electrolite77 Well, I'll put it plainly: People see the Switch, they may or may not put high value on it's portability factor and all the details behind the costs, they compare it to the PS4/Xbox One and the respective prices on games, and then they frown and wonder why they're being ripped off.

I myself was a little surprised to see the transition from 45 euro titles on Wii-U, to 59,99 on the Switch. Nintendo does a stellar job on these with Mario Odyssey, but third-parties still tend to skimp ala Fire Emblem: Warriors.

@UmniKnight

Let's break that down.

If a potential buyer wants DOOM on a portable the Switch version is the only way to go, so there's no price to compare it to.

If a potential buyer isn't interested in the portable aspect and they have other systems to play Doom on at higher fidelity and cheaper cost, why would they buy the Switch version at any price?

If a potential buyer doesn't have any other formats this is a fantastic new game to them. If they think they're entitled to get DOOM or any other game at the same price as on other formats then, and I'll put this politely, tough luck. This is the price. How much the game costs on other formats they don't own is irrelevant.

As for the comparison with Wii U games prices, I think the storage medium is going to cause that to happen a lot.

Ultimately the market will decide and if the price is too high it won't sell. Don't wish for that however. If publishers have to sell their games at the same price as on other Formats, there's a good chance they simply won't bother.

@electrolite77 Of course I'd want it to sell, Bethesda is doing great on the effort front, I wouldn't want that to be in vain. But the question here, is how many people are in your first 2 categories, that being portable and never played before, only owns Switch? Enough for great sales?

@subpopz The cost of Nintendo marketing it home-console. It irrevocably summons the comparison with the competition, and why shouldn't it? They've officially got the same classification, regardless of "But it's hybrid! But it's more handheld!"

Skyrim Remastered was $60 on PS4/X1/PC and it's the same price on Switch as you would expect. DOOM was $60 when it newly released on PS4/X1/PC and it's $60 new on Switch. It's no different than Rise of the Tomb Raider. Came to PS4 a year later, still full price despite being $19.99 on Xbox One. Or Final Fantasy XV. Comes to PC more than a year later, will still be $60.

Great thing about video games is you can always wait for a price drop until it's worth buying to you. But a game always must get it's due first. It always sells full MSRP when it releases, then drops over time and then for the rest of eternity you have the opportunity to buy it as cheap as you want.

Like every other platform, DOOM and Skyrim are selling to people who own said platform. It released on PS4 to people who own PS4. It released on Xbox One to people who own Xbox One. It's releasing on Switch for people who own a Switch.

Just like all the people said "but why would anyone buy a Switch for $300 plus a game which is $360 when they could get a PS4 with game for $250. Nobody's gonna do that or want that". And then we come to find out people don't care how much another console is. If they want Switch they want Switch. And the same will be true for ports. People don't care how much it costs on other systems- if they already played it they won't care about buying it again anyways. Unless they want it portably. In which case they'll buy it on Switch. Some will buy it day one for $60, others will wait for price to drop. But one way or another anyone who wants it for portability will ultimately buy it on Switch. And then there's the Nintendo gamers that haven't played it. And they too will either buy day one or wait for a sale, but ultimately anyone who hasn't had the chance to play it and wants to will buy the game.

It mental. The way some people go on it's like they feel the developers owe them something.

Expecting doom to retail at $20 is because the price has dropped on other formats really is utter fantasy land

The thing is that you can never charge more than the market is willing to pay, regardless of what expenses you had making a product. I could just as well reverse what you say and conclude that it is the developers who are entitled who feel they have the right to charge 60 dollars for Doom and Skyrim.

The prices of Switch games can't be significantly higher than other plattforms, because that's not how a free market works. And yes, the Switch is a new console, but it's on par with the previous generation in terms of specs, so the fact that it's new just mean it has a lot of catching up to do. It's not like when the PS4 launched and people where okay with higher game prices because they where significantly more technically advanced that PS3 games.

If a general consumer goes into a store and see Doom for 60 usd on the Switch, while it's only 15-20 usd on PS4/Xbox One, they will not think "oh, it's because it was recently ported to the Switch and the developers have to recuperate their costs".

Anyhow, in the future, hopefully the Switch will more closely follow the release dates and price drop of other plattforms. I would be okay with a little higher price on the Switch, especially for a physical release, but if I had bought Doom on Switch instead of PS4, I would have paid 6 times more for the same game (it was on sale for 10 usd on PSN).

@kobashi100
Agreed. Consumers are out of their sanity these days. I think it's just another facet of the gimmeegimmeegimme lookatmelookatme culture. And none of us are totally immune to it. I find myself almost refusing to buy games at full price because I've been spoiled by STEAM, Amazon/BestBuy gamer clubs, monthly holidays of all sorts, slickdeals, etc.

I guess we just have to try and be self aware enough to see how ridiculous we're being in many situations.

It's the companies own fault. First they subsidized the cost of console hardware by recuperating the loss on software, then they subsidized software by recuperating the loss on microtransactions. Now they are complaining about the market they created and blame it on "entitled gamers".

@JaxonH Rise of the Tomb Raider isn't a good example because to get the exact same content as the PS4 version on XB1 you had to buy the game, the season pass and a bunch of costumes. So basically at PS4 version launch, the PS4 version was around the same price as the exact same content on XB1.

In the context of DOOM, that would be: DOOM is £20 on PS4/XB1 currently so it'll be £20 on Switch.

The thing though that they are tied to each other. I've talked to many people who play free2play games that think it's great that "some idiot pays for my games", the "idiot" being the whale who financially support the game. So as a result of that, consumers have got used to cheap, or even free games.

Nintendo has done a great job of not including microtransactions in their own games, but they don't control software like they did under the NES-era. As for sales, I think it's an absolute must to have great sales on software. It will probably start to come next summer.

@Grumblevolcano
No, it's applicable because they always toss in the DLC when porting late, and Skyrim is also including all the DLC and so is DOOM.

The point being, they will charge full price every time no matter what. And the DLC will almost always be included. That's all they can do.

@Agriculture
Eh, I disagree. Because this problem isn't just limited to the gaming industry. It's happening in EVERY line of product, regardless of what companies are doing. The modern consumer is insane in their expectations.

But it's Microsoft who pushed for Office as a subscription service, it's Apple whom allowed their apps to be overrun by microtransactions, and so on. Lots of companies thought they could vastly increase their profits by cutting corners, and now they are mad because consumers aren't willing to pay as much for their inferior product.

Yes, but unfortunately the market in general don't think that way. I also think it's great that the full single player campaign is on the card. Maybe Nintendo can built trust with the consumer over time, so people buy Switch games instead of the competitors because they know Switch games don't require enormous downloads.