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JoyBoy

@skywake must be very happy by this news. I would have preferred wonderful 102, but I get that this is more exciting for most people.

I bet those people protesting exclusivity for bayo 2 are really not going to be happy now, which is kinda great.

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I think a lot of the sales of the original came by word of mouth, after the game was heavily discounted. So it probably didn't do as well for them as sales would suggest.

A million copies at mostly $60 vs 1 million copies per platform at $15 is a big difference. I think this is also why ZombiU didn't do well, despite pushing close to a million units on Wii U- much of those sales were bargain bin pickups.

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Although still trying to get confirmation, it is said that Japan's "Non climax Edition" (Special edition) will include both games on a single card or individual cards. Either way, really disappointed NoE and NoA couldn't even offer a special edition with both games physical.

Expected better from Nintendo. Was gonna buy this mainly to support them; unlikely now.

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Inertiacreep

@FX102A where is there any info about the release specifics?

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NEStalgia

Bayo 2 can never leave Nintendo (unless Nintendo signs off on it) since it was funded by Nintendo. It wasn't just an exclusivity clause for a distribution contract, they own part of the game, and as Kamiya himself said, Bayo 2 on XBox is as likely as Zelda on Playstation.

But we don't know about 3. I would assume if Nintendo were smart, they at this point negotiated partial ownership of the IP since they've gone as far as Smash and Amiibo integration.

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FX102A

@Inertiacreep The only supposed "firm" source is meant to be Amazon Japan's listing for the edition of the game although I need to access it on a PC to run the page through a translator to confirm it myself.

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Haru17

Excuse me, in Japan it's called the 'non-stop climax edition' because Bayonetta is a very acceptable game and not in any way subject to explicit or implicit sexist tropes.

Anyway, I'm glad to see the best version of these games coming over to a system I own. (I mean I have a 360 and a PS3, but I'm also not playing Persona 4 because the upgraded version is still exclusive to Sony's Wii U.) I'll finally get around to playing them probably after I get to a point where I'm not constantly playing Monster Hunter World and have the energy to take yet another thing on given the release timing.

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Ralizah

Haru17 wrote:

Excuse me, in Japan it's called the 'non-stop climax edition' because Bayonetta is a very acceptable game and not in any way subject to explicit or implicit sexist tropes.

You're absolutely right: there is nothing sexist about it.

It is, however, quite sexy.

Not really my sort of thing, though.

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ieatdragonz

It's great that Platinum is porting Bayonetta 1+2. As I have never played those games, they are basically brand new! Although I kinda wish they could port Nier Automata but the Switch may not have been able to handle it. Either way sweet deal!

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@Tsurii Nah. I mean, it's a good series, but I'm not a fan of the way the gameplay is structured (where it often keeps funneling the player from one over-the-top setpiece to another), the plots are utterly incomprehensible (and not in an endearingly pretentious MGS way, either), and the general aesthetic doesn't do much for me.

Don't get me wrong: I'm glad we're getting these on the Switch, and I might even pick up the third one when it releases, but I'm not hyped at all.

I would be VERY hyped about a Nier: Automata port, but I'm guessing that won't happen.

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What I most want to know is: Will Bayonetta have a new hair style? My preorder depends on it.

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Ralizah

@NEStalgia I really liked her short hair in Bayo 2. It was a much nicer look than in the original.

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@Ralizah I think both styles have merit, and both kind of fit their respective themes a bit. But the funny part was Iwata presenting that right off the top of the presentation as if that was the major back-of-box feature of the game.

That might be the most Iwata of all Iwata-isms.

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Haru17

@Ralizah I'm just making fun of people like you who insist there couldn't possibly be anything sexist in a ridiculously attractive woman with a "Regret your words and deeds"-level excuse for why she has to strip down all the time. It'd be less objectionable if it was an isolated incident, but the fact is the majority male industry doesn't make games about women most of the time, and they make games about unattractive or older women precisely none of the time. And when they do make games about women sometimes devs won't stop making leering comments about they ass.

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Qwertyninty

They haven’t said anything about the resolution. I’m going to assume 900p with rock solid 60fps.... at least that is why I am hoping for.

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link3710

@Haru17 Agreed, which is why Bayonetta is so great in my opinion. It's very much designed to parody and call the industry out on those tropes, but at it's core, Bayonetta and her supporting characters are far more independent then the majority of leading female characters. At least, that's how I read it so far, still chugging through the first one. Question now is do I just wait for the superior Switch version to come out and rebuy 2, since I haven't started it yet.

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@Haru17 sigh
60's Feminism (The Sexual Revolution) (and the era that Bayonetta's theme, styling, and music emphasizes): Bayonetta would be the template model for a modern woman. She leaves no question she's in control of every situation and projects power and cool confidence.
'10's Feminism (New Puritanism/Junior Anti-Sex League): Bayonetta is a sexist object and should be hidden.

Ertha Kitt, Lauren Bacall, Sophia Lauren. Bayonetta is cut from the mold of these women. Heck, Sophia's 83 and STILL a viable real life Bayonetta.

I admit Bayonetta's not something that would be comfortable to play in public in the West, but that's more an indication of Western perception than it is anything with the game itself.

And while there may not be any games about unattractive older women, how many games feature unattractive older men? No, we either get the Space Marine Stubble Squadron where everyone looks like the Marlboro Man, clean Yakuza, or we get suave and dapper "sophisticated older gentlemen" like Victor Sullivan, and when we get an ugly jerk, it's either a villain or a punchline like Trevor from GTA5. Video games feature Beautiful People, just like film and stage.

But Bayonetta reverses the role by flaunting it in an almost uncomfortable way...and she knows it. She's SO sexualized it makes her almost unattractive....which seems to be somewhat intentional on the character's part. In a lot of ways she's kind of the inverse of what the industry is mostly doing with the "bikini armor". Those characters are presented in a sort of "giggle,snicker,giggle,boobies!" where they're behind the forth wall citing their Sacred Vows. Bayonetta feels like she'd reach through the screen flash full frontal directly to the giggling gamer, then utterly terrify them (intentionally) by warning them of just how kinky and dangerous she is until they don't WANT to see anymore...

@Qwertyninty 1 & 2 were 720p 60fps (with drops in 2) on WiiU, so I imagine 1080p 60fps (without drops) on Switch should be doable. But 900 is possible. 3 I'm sure will be 900p if they push graphics (though Splatoon 2 is 1080p/60 and rock solid, so since the game is Switch exclusive it's possible to optimize it for that. Either way 60fps is a given, that's a Bayonetta staple.

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Ralizah

@Haru17 Bayonetta is a driven and highly empowered character who also happens to be an extremely sexual creature. But she's not sexual in the way a Dead or Alive character is sexual, where the girl seems to be the unwitting subject of a leering male gaze: she's an exhibitionist and enjoys showing off her body. Her sexuality is in-your-face and volcanic. So, no, there's nothing sexist about Bayonetta's portrayal in this game, even if her attractiveness and brazen sexuality makes people like you feel uncomfortable.

Granted, I don't see anything wrong with DoA or Quiet levels of sexual objectification, but it's not the same thing at all as what's going on with Bayonetta.

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