Topic: Unpopular Gaming Opinions

@VoidofLight Ah, I see, that makes sense, I didn’t know that, haven’t followed it that much, that sounds fun!

@Tounushi You do know the difference between an unpopular option and facts right? My opinion is that water is wet!.

@jump I think he is talking about this

Tho to be fair he said tablet not laptop.

@Snatcher I'm sure it's an incredibly witty retort with lots of sick burns but I've got no idea of what the reference or meme is.

@jump @Snatcher No, I was talking about this:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/386/067/ed0.jpg

You're free to it, but you'd be wrong, since water cannot perform the function of making things wet upon itself.

@Tounushi Omg dude you should get a good Mendel for the gymnastics your doing, “water cannot perform the function of making things wet upon itself.” Bro are we really going to do this? How would I be wrong about that? It’s just an unpopular opinion, it’s my opinion therefore it’s not wrong. Is all this Just because you can’t admit that Pokémon is a jrpg? Is it that big of a deal that your wrong? It’s not an opinion, it’s not, for a fact pokemon is a jrpg.

You're the one taking a conniption about my opinion on the issue. Gen I Pokemon simply didn't and still doesn't feel like an RPG to me and in all likelihood never will. It's its own thing in my eyes and I won't be condescending or dismissive enough to call it a baby's first JRPG.
It's simply my unpopular opinion and I haven't been convinced by arguments against it and I don't even see changing people's opinions through argumentation or childish browbeating as the purpose of this thread. In fact you wanting me to "admit" to an imposition would only elicit further entrenchment.

If you wanna argue about later gens being RPGs, I have no informed basis to make an opinion about them beyond a wiki crawl. I place firsthand experience ahead of that.

@Tounushi It can’t be an opinion, if it’s factual wrong! That’s what people on here have been saying, it’s factual wrong that it isn’t a jrpg, it always had been!

@Snatcher The gaming community can't even come up with a universally accepted irrefutable and unambiguous empirical definition for RPGs, leaving it to the internal consensus of different groups and developer/publisher marketing. Sony's definition for an RPG being "A game where a player takes on the role of a character and collects items or information to complete a journey or quest." Under that definition Duke Nukem 3D fits as an RPG, as does the Doom reboot.
Just because a majority of individuals wants to impose a consensus about it and basing it on marketing, it doesn't bind me to following it if I disagree with how I experienced the end product.
"It's marketed as an RPG" is a fact. "Most gamers say it's an RPG" is a fact. "Wikipedia says it's an RPG" is a fact. "It's an RPG" is not.

The norm in consensus is on the mechanics: Party dynamics, character stats, character progression, equippable items and their stats, quest items, questing, story progression, etc. etc. What pokemon does is combine progression with equippable items and made them animals. How many RPGs are out there where skill trees are exclusively bound to individual items and the character doesn't gain any skills or attribute improvements at all? Most give the character skills that they can use with subsequent items of the same categorizations.
There's hardly any questing other than the directive of beating all the gyms so you could fulfill the overarching goal of collecting all the pokemon. At most it gives you a setting with different stand-alone challenges and opportunities within said setting and setting you loose. The only story progression you get is the number of badges you collect, you being in different places and Gary's progression as a dueling opponent.
In an RPG, if you take an endgame character and stripped them of their party, inventory and items, they'd still be skilled and powerful because they themselves had progressed as a character, not to mention potential connections they have with quest-related NPCs and whatever reputation mechanics are in play. If you take away Red's pokeballs, inventory and badges, he'd be literally back at square one as a statless nobody.

If you want to call Pokemon a JRPG, you're free to follow the consensus, but its mechanics at least in Gen I are too stripped down to be in that category in my opinion. It works just as well as its own thing, rather than being of a genre stripped down to a map and a numbers game. At most it'd be a very diverged branch of the wider genre.

@Tounushi again, Fine, you can think it isn’t, I still personally think for a fact it is a jrpg, and if we are using the same logic to debunk that fact then the same could go for literally anything, facts just wouldn’t exist just because someone experienced the fact differently, that’s how I see it at least, but there no convincing you, there’s no convincing me, and no matter how many people will tell you, it won’t matter, so I’m just to leave it here, because I still can’t believe this was even a debate that I had, and never thought I would.

@Tounushi
So, I'm curious about Yokai Watch games on 3DS from your perspective.
I believe Yokai Watch games felt more RPGish than Pokemon games since there are accessories in Yokai Watch games with function to raise the certain parameter but will lowering other parameter as well.

Haven't played the series, so I can't give an informed opinion, sorry. But if it includes more mechanics, it does push it that way. Did the mechanics feel natural or tacked on? So many devs try to market their games with "includes RPG elements!" to the point it almost dilutes the genre.

Not Unpopular, just fact

@Snatcher I've read people have issued actual challenges to duels to the death over competing minutiae over the definition of RPGs on various fora, so seeing where a game falls in terms of genre can be a vigorous discussion indeed.
It's easy with the archetypical games to place them in their boxes, but the cases where different elements mix and match or are stripped from a more "complete" presentation almost require a lawyer to write down an exacting definition as to where they sit, even with the subjective experience taken into account.

@Kairu I think the best Mario Kart game is whichever one you grew up playing. I played MKWii growing up so that's my favorite entry in the series. But every game in the series is really good and each has something different to offer.

@Kairu Yeah I only recently played Double Dash for the first time, and I thought it was really good! The controls definitely take a while to get used to, especially being so used to how Wii and 8 handle. But once you get past that hurdle, the maps are really fun, the character selection is super unique, and the music is excellent. I'd say it's my third-favorite game in the series, right behind 8 Deluxe.

@Tounushi Okay, so by your Logic, Shin Megami Tensei isn't a JRPG then. Neither is one of the early dragon quest games where your party members are the monsters.

I don't see the point of LEGO games, and I say that as a big LEGO nerd (I even write the name in all caps!). I don't get why the characters all have to be minifigures if the environments are so... nothing. They don't look good, they don't look bad, and they sure as hell don't look like LEGO! Going forward I'd rather get normal Star Wars games with an easter egg where, if you click on a pile of bricks while on the easiest difficulty, it turns the characters into minifigures. Not the environments, though, since that would be an unrealistic expectation. Those who want them can have a LEGO game and the rest can enjoy Star Wars. The only time a LEGO brand game would be justified is if the graphics were like that of the LEGO movies, whose own game versions seem like they'd disappoint me greatly.
TL;DR, LEGO games are superfluous unless they actually look 100% like LEGO.

@sunny63 I definitely understood, I personally didn’t make it that deep, there just dumb fun!

@Eagly Lego City Undercover is a legit 10/10 from me.

I agree with this. It's immersion-breaking when there's (at the time of development) photorealistic or just otherwise highly detailed environments and just Lego otherwise. It ought to be all Lego, but it might take too long to figure out how to recreate environments in Lego.
Modern arguments of 3D-printed custom pieces muddy the waters in that regard, though.