both N64 fanatics and bandwagon jumpers alike love to paint broad strokes and shove "Super Mario 64" down our gullets on a daily basis, as if a single game does a console make.
To be fair, Sony's the one that made Crash Bandicoot 1 the competition of it.
Y'know, the one whose idea of 3D is just "what if 2d platformer but sometimes the perspective is much worse" and has the worst save system in the universe. (I like Crash 2 so I can state this from a relatively neutral position)
I cant think of a single Nintendo 64 game I want to play in 2022 that hasn’t been remastered all the n64 games worth playing are in a better form on another counsole (usually the ds) Mario 64 DS >>>>>> mario 64 same goes for OOT, Majoras mask and starfox (and smash games replace one another).
To be fair, Sony's the one that made Crash Bandicoot 1 the competition of it.
Y'know, the one whose idea of 3D is just "what if 2d platformer but sometimes the perspective is much worse" and has the worst save system in the universe. (I like Crash 2 so I can state this from a relatively neutral position)
While you mention it...
I enjoy me some Crash Bandicoot...I really do. But I can't, for a second, understand how he was ever considered a legitimate competitor to Mario. Mario has always been an S/A-tier platformer - a pioneer of the industry - whereas Crash is...a B-tier at best? Crash's platforming is fun but I've always found his games to be fundamentally flawed in execution (mostly due to perspective and hitboxes). I'm honestly not the biggest fan of Mario 64, but I think it did far more for the industry than any of Crash's games. And I think Spyro was the much superior Mario competitor.
I would say the N64 is overrated but I think we're now past the days of blind nostalgia to that console. People have either moved on, or a younger crowd have become more vocal, and people are beginning to see it for what it was: an influential (albeit maybe not as influential as PS1) but flawed console with strengths in some areas (platformers, local multiplayer) and glaring weaknesses in others (restricted library, lack of major genres such as JRPGs, lack of third party support, archaic 3D gameplay and graphics). The N64 and PS1 were great at the time for being the pioneers of 3D gameplay and graphics...but unfortunately this means they've both aged pretty poorly.
I wouldn't say the N64 has aged any worse than the PS1 however - in fact, I'd say despite the smaller library of the N64, it has maybe a few more games I'd revisit today than I would on the PS1. This is probably due to the N64 having more focus on stylised games and local multiplayer.
@Euler You are lumping together people who pirate new releases, people who pirated games that were on VC and NSO and people who pirate games that have never been rereleased. Also you realize Nintendo having the capability to release old games like mother 3 on VC only adds to frustration and makes people more likely to pirate . No one is ignoring Official Nintendo emulators they see Nintendo has the capability to put any of these games on switch but refuse to because of greed or pride.
Yes, a difference in degree and not a difference in kind. Much as stealing a video game from Walmart and stealing a car are both theft. Same applies even if the car or the video game is discontinued or was only released in Japan or whatever.
@mikegamer The only ones who decry emulation are the ones who stand to gain, personally, from it's demonization. Like retro gaming youtubers who want to continue to inflate the value of their old games, and corporations looking to cash in on 30 year old releases for years to come. Imagine a dark future where the only way to play SNES games is through Nintendo's Online service. I shudder to even think about it.
And there it is. Nintendo is bad because it wants to profit off selling the games it made beyond some arbitrary cutoff period piracy apologists have invented, and stealing them is okay because NSO isn’t good enough.
I'd bet there's a HEAVY intersection between people who "pirate" classic games and people who buy VC, subscribe to NSO, etc. Most just flat out don't care about old games.
It's insane how many old games out there are only accessible today because of fans.
@Heroofthenexus Yep. Easily Nintendo's worst major console to date. The PS1 was superior to an almost laughable degree.
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I think emulating classic games is fine. It’s when people start doing it to new games that I find it to be sketchy. Like Metroid dread for example, and how some news site was promoting just emulating the game and not paying for it.
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@Ralizah
I think emulating classic games is fine. It’s when people start doing it to new games that I find it to be sketchy. Like Metroid dread for example, and how some news site was promoting just emulating the game and not paying for it.
I don't see an issue with emulating new games so long as you've bought and paid for them.
We've just got to move away from the attitude that emulation is always piracy. If you've bought a game you should have the right to play it on whatever hardware you can, via emulation and bypassing any anti-piracy measures that might prevent that, if necessary. That's even what the law says in most jurisdictions.
@Heroofthenexus I can’t comment on Nintendo 64 vs playstation 1 since I had neither but I cant think of a single Nintendo 64 game I want to play in 2022 that hasn’t been remastered all the n64 games worth playing are in a better form on another counsole (usually the ds) Mario 64 DS >>>>>> mario 64 same goes for OOT, Majoras mask and starfox (and smash games replace one another).
I'm sorry but prefering Mario 64 DS over Mario 64 proper is an absolutely insane take.
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In terms of unpopular opinions I felt the puzzles (especially the Temples) in Breath of the Wild were dreadful and a big part of why I rank it in the lower echelon of 3D Zeldas (better than the DS iterations but much worse than Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask).
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@Snatcher Agreed, OoT in particular had simple but satisfying puzzles. I see a lot of people praise BotW puzzles for having multiple solutions but in my experience there was one very obviously intended solution 90% of the time, and I very rarely felt accomplishment from them. If the puzzles were as good as the exploration feel it would be a modern classic, but as it is I find it wildly uneven and disappointing.
@Eagly Counter: the graphics are better on a technical level but look (and have aged) worse than the simple cartoony art direction of the original; the controls being locked to a D-pad kills any sort of improvement the camera makes; more content =/= better gameplay; the new characters don't mesh with the original level design (and you're forced to start as Yoshi of all characters).
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@Euler No it’s more like stealing a game from GameStop vs dumpster diving at GameStop
Dumpster diving can be theft. If you search for personal documents to steal someone’s identity, or break into GameStop to look through their garbage it would be. If you’re searching through stuff they left in a public area and it happens to include games (for whatever reason, they didn’t send it back to the publisher for credit as they normally would) it’s fair game.
@Euler Definitely a shill. I'm sorry, but if you're pissy about the idea of someone downloading a 30 year old game and preserving it for future generations, then you're part of the problem. Flat out, period, no debate.
If it was up to Nintendo, hundreds upon hundreds of classic games would be lost forever. Unable to ever be played again due to "licensing restrictions", or just lack of caring. Eventually old hardware and old games will be unplayable, leaving emulation as the only viable method to enjoy classic titles. And oddly enough, Nintendo's own emulation methods are worse than open source ones. That's another thing you would lose out on.
What a ridiculous comment. There are things called libraries and museums to preserve artwork, books, film, and the like for future generations. Forging a painting and giving out copies of it (while the author is still alive and well, in this case) would be the equivalent of the crappy ROM site you’re shilling for. It’s not about preserving anything, it’s about people like you being too cheap to pay for your games. And it’s incredibly bizarre to trash Nintendo when the games wouldn’t exist at all without the company (along with private property and strong copyright laws).
I kind of have to agree with the emulation thing. Having a museum would be preservation, but at the same time no one would actually be able to experience the game. They'll be able to look at the box or see blurbs about it, but they won't actually get to experience the game or play it. So many games are left behind on older systems that people don't own anymore, and there's no current way to get said games, given that the devs won't bring it over, no longer own the IP, or lost the original source code for the game. Thus, in my opinion, Emulation is fair. At least, so long as you can no longer purchase the game anywhere else.
Also, with video game libraries, no company is going to go out of their way to make something like that. They're already disinterested in porting these games to future consoles, so what makes people think they'd open up a library? For a Museum, again it wouldn't work like other mediums, since most of the experience is playing the game, not looking at displays.
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