@Euler that’s a tricky subject because it also depends on the game and it’s current situation that might make it not playable again (like licensing issues). But I do agree with the VC sentiment because for some reason I have never seen anyone I know (other than me) play a Metroid game legally.
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@Euler it’s not like there making money off of it if I were to buy it from somewhere like eBay. If I want to play galaxy two? Can’t, brawl? Can’t, melee? Can’t, Metroid prime? Can’t, because I would need a wii, an older console, but they could make ther eown emulators like we have with nso, but so far we only have n6.
What about ds games? Or when 3ds become hard to get, I can’t play any of those games, unless I emulate them.
I think emulation is fine if you would buy it if you could, I would buy all of those games listed above if I could, but I can’t, because that would mean buying a wii, and said game. So personally, to me, I don’t see a problem in emulating something if there is just no way you could play it, (And I’m not saying can’t play it like if you can’t get a next gen console, can’t get as in if you want one, you will have to pay way more then it’s worth)
I wouldn’t have a problem with long levels in crash four if it wasn’t for the fact that in order to 100 percent the levels you need to not die, can’t carry aku mask from level to level,collect all the fruits, boxes, secret gems, and secret gems, all without dying, I think the problem for me, is that it’s just waay to long for me to want to do something like that, but I’m sure I will 100% it one day, I 100% the first three.
I love repetitive games. I love repetitive music and other repetitive things. If something is good then I want more or it, right? Racing games, tetris like games, fighting games and so on where the big picture stuff is same from playthrough to playthrough but from moment to moment its a completely unique experience each time. I dont speedrun but I am intrigued and even something like that where you want it to be exactly the same as your best attempt isnt, there is always rng or mishaps to deal with.
I also love short 1-5 hour games, it means I am confident I’ll see the end of the game.
@Euler The VC generated 33 million dollars it wasn’t under supported. Also if a company isn’t making money off of a video game I don’t see any moral qualms about playing it in the only form you are able to
If there were no emulators at all and the only options were Virtual Console or original cartridge, would the Virtual Console have been: more profitable, less profitable, or about the same? Literally every single article about the NES/SNES Classic Edition was full of Raspberry Pi enthusiasts posting about ROMs.
@Euler it’s not like there making money off of it if I were to buy it from somewhere like eBay. If I want to play galaxy two? Can’t, brawl? Can’t, melee? Can’t, Metroid prime? Can’t, because I would need a wii, an older console, but they could make ther eown emulators like we have with nso, but so far we only have n6.
They're not presently selling any of those games, but they could re-release them and make money in the future (as they did with Sunshine, Galaxy 1, etc). They reserve the right to control how many copies are produced and sold.
If piracy was a victimless crime and Nintendo wasn't losing any money from it, they would've made the ROMs for their old games available for download free of charge on their website. But Nintendo has not posted their old ROMs on their website. Thus we can conclude that piracy does in fact cost them money.
@Euler I’m not going to not play a game based of the if that they could do it, it’s Nintendo, if they did they would charge us 60 bucks for it anyway, it’s not like people haven’t been asking them to let them play these types of game some form, they have, for a wile, if Nintendo doesn’t give us some way to buy it, I see no problem in playing it the only way you can.
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On the subject of emulation, I really don't like the idea that emulation in general is piracy. The two are different, despite them being used together. For example, emulating games obtained via piracy.
If anything, emulation itself (the act of running old software on new systems it's not made for) is pretty much adopted officially by many developers. NSO and virtual console games use Nintendo's own emulators, Sega compilations like the Genesis Classics or even Sonic Mega Collection. Even some PC versions of classics give you the ROM that can be played within the publisher's own emulator, or any emulator (Steam's Sega classics, and GOG's Neo Geo classics come to mind). Even GOG officially adopts DOSBox to run DOS games on modern PCs that wouldn't otherwise support them easily.
Honestly, if it wasn't for companies adopting emulation, we wouldn't be able to play classics on modern systems. Just some thoughts I had looking at some recent posts.
@kaisu At that point I think it’s piracy, as you have it for you to buy, even tho they might overprice it, it’s available for you to buy just like anything else.
@Snatcher Glad you do. FWIW, I used a Neo-Geo emulator with my GOG copy of The King of Fighters 2002. It can't be piracy since the ROM for the game came with the game I got from GOG, but DotEmu's own emulator can be hit or miss on PC, so it's cool they allow you to play it in any emulator.
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@Euler I’m not going to not play a game based of the if that they could do it, it’s Nintendo, if they did they would charge us 60 bucks for it anyway, it’s not like people haven’t been asking them to let them play these types of game some form, they have, for a wile, if Nintendo doesn’t give us some way to buy it, I see no problem in playing it the only way you can.
And there it is. If they rereleased the game, it would be too expensive for self-entitled people so they would still rationalize pirating it.
@Euler All media can be pirated so the dip you mentioned applies to all media. The VC could have made half its money and still been successful because it takes no effort and drains money from the bank account the VC going away was Nintendo disney valuting the situation by not allowing people to even own old games virtually again Just look at mario and fire emblem 35 noting but an attempt to create artificial scarcity to wring more money out of people when they become available 10 years from now.
Yes, the same concept applies. Disney has the right to vault its movies for 30 years and release them again on a different medium. None of that means anyone has the right to steal the work.
@Euler And some people will do that, some people will pirate anything, some dude a few months back they they were going to pirate Pokémon legends just because they said they wanted to “Try it out” and wasn’t sure if it was going to do good, which I think is stealing but what the heck can I do, people will justify stealing anything in everything, doesn’t mean everyone else does it.
If more people supported the Virtual Console instead of pirating the games, perhaps it would still be around.
It was pulled because Nintendo wanted to try their own Disney vault and people naturally will get sick when waiting 10+ years for a port that may never come when they have proof Nintendo could easily be emulate everything from the NES to wii but choose not to. If Nintendo doesn’t release games for the sake of artificial scarcity other means will pop up wether you or Nintendo likes it. And the only way to ensure people who want to play these amazing games give Nintendo their money is to make their purchase or rent possible. Some people will emulate and pirate anyway it’s never stopped companies before and it wont now. (Even if pirating games still on store shelves is wrong). The emulation is nothing but a byproduct of Nintendo’s greed and the consumers love of Nintendo games
I think emulation for the most part is a byproduct of greed, the video game industry pushed it away and didn’t embrace it before it was too late, if game company’s like Nintendo didn’t shut down every emulated for games nobody can play then, instead os saying “Wait, people want to play these games, how about we make our own emulator” but they didn’t, so here we are,
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@kaisu Yes, no matter which way you cut it, it will always exist. Tho I don’t think not having a way for people to older games helps Nintendo in that regard.
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If more people supported the Virtual Console instead of pirating the games, perhaps it would still be around.
It was pulled because Nintendo wanted to try their own Disney vault and people naturally will get sick when waiting 10+ years for a port that may never come when they have proof Nintendo could easily be emulate everything from the NES to wii but choose not to. If Nintendo doesn’t release games for the sake of artificial scarcity other means will pop up wether you or Nintendo likes it. And the only way to ensure people who want to play these amazing games give Nintendo their money is to make their purchase or rent possible. Some people will emulate and pirate anyway it’s never stopped companies before and it wont now. (Even if pirating games still on store shelves is wrong). The emulation is nothing but a byproduct of Nintendo’s greed and the consumers love of Nintendo games
Who's to say it wouldn't still be here if more people supported it instead of pirating games? What if they would've kept it if it had made $34 million in profit instead of $33 million, but lost out on that million because of piracy? Theft has been around far longer than video games have, that doesn't make it okay.
Nintendo has the right to profit from artificial scarcity. One can quite easily purchase their older games and consoles from a used games store, and not liking their business practices doesn't entitle you to their property, and . The Wii would be far more complicated to emulate than the NES (motion controls, etc). Stealing a game because Nintendo hasn't sold it in a few years and stealing a game because $80 is more than you're willing or able to pay for it is a difference in degree, not in kind.
I think emulation for the most part is a byproduct of greed, the video game industry pushed it away and didn’t embrace it before it was too late, if game company’s like Nintendo didn’t shut down every emulated for games nobody can play then, instead os saying “Wait, people want to play these games, how about we make our own emulator” but they didn’t, so here we are,
Except they literally made their own emulators (three incarnations of the Virtual Console, plus the Classic Edition consoles, plus NSO). But they didn't have all of the games piracy apologists wanted, or it was too expensive, or it wasn't the right format (e.g. Nintendo console rather than PC). So people will still rationalize piracy, evidently going as far as ignoring the existence of Nintendo's official emulators.
@Snatcher Sega's Genesis classics do this on Steam, you can play the game in the "Lite Launcher" (a no frills Genesis emulator by Sega), the Mega Drive Hub (what you see in the Sega Genesis Classics on consoles), or take the ROM from the folder and play them on any Genesis emulator.
As for Neo-Geo, some games work great on DotEmu's emulator, while others have sound and performance issues, which is why being able to play the official releases on an emulator can be helpful. They give you the ROM with the official PC release.
Indeed, while piracy won't go away, there are people who would happily buy a game if it was available. When something is available, it gives people less incentive to pirate. Not all people are like this, but I think there is an audience that is more than happy to buy a game if it was available.
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“Indeed, while piracy won't go away, there are people who would happily buy a game if it was available. When something is available, it gives people less incentive to pirate. Not all people are like this, but I think there is an audience that is more than happy to buy a game if it was available.”
This yes! Saying it doesn’t matter just because piracy won’t go away, ai just can’t agree with, because it’s like you said, it give less inventive to do stuff, and people like me will happily pay for it.
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@Snatcher The crazy part, Sega actually allows mods via Steam Workshop. Remember playing a mod of Sonic 2 where you played as Amy, and Cream was in place of Tails. Provided you own the Genesis game in your Steam library from the Steam store.
@Eagly@Snatcher Thanks! For the record, I don't pirate games and the few ROMs I have are from PC versions of Sega and Neo-Geo classics bought from Steam and GOG in Neo-Geo's case (which gets installed via the game's installer).
I honestly don't see Pratts Mario's voice to be that big of a deal. As far as we know, he's using his regular voice with a slightly added brooklyn accent. We haven't even heard the full extent of the performance, so it could sound better once we hear more of it later. It would have been an improvement if they got a professional voice actor instead, but it's fine for what we got. @mikegamer
A bunch of software is also literally only possible through emulation like prototypes, unreleased finished games, and titles that never left certain countries. People don't want to think this, but all old games will eventually only be playable in emulators because of cartridge, disc, and hardware rot. It's only a matter of time.
Of course, I only said it was unpopular because a LOT of people are so vehemently against emulation and think it's pure evil and illegal no matter how legal it is. Many SCOTUS judges have deemed them to be legal, and I consider that to be official laws of the land, not what fearmongering Nintendo likes to say on their stupid legal page.
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