@Euler I’m not going to not play a game based of the if that they could do it, it’s Nintendo, if they did they would charge us 60 bucks for it anyway, it’s not like people haven’t been asking them to let them play these types of game some form, they have, for a wile, if Nintendo doesn’t give us some way to buy it, I see no problem in playing it the only way you can.
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On the subject of emulation, I really don't like the idea that emulation in general is piracy. The two are different, despite them being used together. For example, emulating games obtained via piracy.
If anything, emulation itself (the act of running old software on new systems it's not made for) is pretty much adopted officially by many developers. NSO and virtual console games use Nintendo's own emulators, Sega compilations like the Genesis Classics or even Sonic Mega Collection. Even some PC versions of classics give you the ROM that can be played within the publisher's own emulator, or any emulator (Steam's Sega classics, and GOG's Neo Geo classics come to mind). Even GOG officially adopts DOSBox to run DOS games on modern PCs that wouldn't otherwise support them easily.
Honestly, if it wasn't for companies adopting emulation, we wouldn't be able to play classics on modern systems. Just some thoughts I had looking at some recent posts.
@kaisu At that point I think it’s piracy, as you have it for you to buy, even tho they might overprice it, it’s available for you to buy just like anything else.
@Snatcher Glad you do. FWIW, I used a Neo-Geo emulator with my GOG copy of The King of Fighters 2002. It can't be piracy since the ROM for the game came with the game I got from GOG, but DotEmu's own emulator can be hit or miss on PC, so it's cool they allow you to play it in any emulator.
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@Euler I’m not going to not play a game based of the if that they could do it, it’s Nintendo, if they did they would charge us 60 bucks for it anyway, it’s not like people haven’t been asking them to let them play these types of game some form, they have, for a wile, if Nintendo doesn’t give us some way to buy it, I see no problem in playing it the only way you can.
And there it is. If they rereleased the game, it would be too expensive for self-entitled people so they would still rationalize pirating it.
@Euler All media can be pirated so the dip you mentioned applies to all media. The VC could have made half its money and still been successful because it takes no effort and drains money from the bank account the VC going away was Nintendo disney valuting the situation by not allowing people to even own old games virtually again Just look at mario and fire emblem 35 noting but an attempt to create artificial scarcity to wring more money out of people when they become available 10 years from now.
Yes, the same concept applies. Disney has the right to vault its movies for 30 years and release them again on a different medium. None of that means anyone has the right to steal the work.
@Euler And some people will do that, some people will pirate anything, some dude a few months back they they were going to pirate Pokémon legends just because they said they wanted to “Try it out” and wasn’t sure if it was going to do good, which I think is stealing but what the heck can I do, people will justify stealing anything in everything, doesn’t mean everyone else does it.
If more people supported the Virtual Console instead of pirating the games, perhaps it would still be around.
It was pulled because Nintendo wanted to try their own Disney vault and people naturally will get sick when waiting 10+ years for a port that may never come when they have proof Nintendo could easily be emulate everything from the NES to wii but choose not to. If Nintendo doesn’t release games for the sake of artificial scarcity other means will pop up wether you or Nintendo likes it. And the only way to ensure people who want to play these amazing games give Nintendo their money is to make their purchase or rent possible. Some people will emulate and pirate anyway it’s never stopped companies before and it wont now. (Even if pirating games still on store shelves is wrong). The emulation is nothing but a byproduct of Nintendo’s greed and the consumers love of Nintendo games
I think emulation for the most part is a byproduct of greed, the video game industry pushed it away and didn’t embrace it before it was too late, if game company’s like Nintendo didn’t shut down every emulated for games nobody can play then, instead os saying “Wait, people want to play these games, how about we make our own emulator” but they didn’t, so here we are,
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@kaisu Yes, no matter which way you cut it, it will always exist. Tho I don’t think not having a way for people to older games helps Nintendo in that regard.
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If more people supported the Virtual Console instead of pirating the games, perhaps it would still be around.
It was pulled because Nintendo wanted to try their own Disney vault and people naturally will get sick when waiting 10+ years for a port that may never come when they have proof Nintendo could easily be emulate everything from the NES to wii but choose not to. If Nintendo doesn’t release games for the sake of artificial scarcity other means will pop up wether you or Nintendo likes it. And the only way to ensure people who want to play these amazing games give Nintendo their money is to make their purchase or rent possible. Some people will emulate and pirate anyway it’s never stopped companies before and it wont now. (Even if pirating games still on store shelves is wrong). The emulation is nothing but a byproduct of Nintendo’s greed and the consumers love of Nintendo games
Who's to say it wouldn't still be here if more people supported it instead of pirating games? What if they would've kept it if it had made $34 million in profit instead of $33 million, but lost out on that million because of piracy? Theft has been around far longer than video games have, that doesn't make it okay.
Nintendo has the right to profit from artificial scarcity. One can quite easily purchase their older games and consoles from a used games store, and not liking their business practices doesn't entitle you to their property, and . The Wii would be far more complicated to emulate than the NES (motion controls, etc). Stealing a game because Nintendo hasn't sold it in a few years and stealing a game because $80 is more than you're willing or able to pay for it is a difference in degree, not in kind.
I think emulation for the most part is a byproduct of greed, the video game industry pushed it away and didn’t embrace it before it was too late, if game company’s like Nintendo didn’t shut down every emulated for games nobody can play then, instead os saying “Wait, people want to play these games, how about we make our own emulator” but they didn’t, so here we are,
Except they literally made their own emulators (three incarnations of the Virtual Console, plus the Classic Edition consoles, plus NSO). But they didn't have all of the games piracy apologists wanted, or it was too expensive, or it wasn't the right format (e.g. Nintendo console rather than PC). So people will still rationalize piracy, evidently going as far as ignoring the existence of Nintendo's official emulators.
@Snatcher Sega's Genesis classics do this on Steam, you can play the game in the "Lite Launcher" (a no frills Genesis emulator by Sega), the Mega Drive Hub (what you see in the Sega Genesis Classics on consoles), or take the ROM from the folder and play them on any Genesis emulator.
As for Neo-Geo, some games work great on DotEmu's emulator, while others have sound and performance issues, which is why being able to play the official releases on an emulator can be helpful. They give you the ROM with the official PC release.
Indeed, while piracy won't go away, there are people who would happily buy a game if it was available. When something is available, it gives people less incentive to pirate. Not all people are like this, but I think there is an audience that is more than happy to buy a game if it was available.
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@Sunsy sega does a lot of things wrong, but man at least you can get a lot of there games on steam.
“Indeed, while piracy won't go away, there are people who would happily buy a game if it was available. When something is available, it gives people less incentive to pirate. Not all people are like this, but I think there is an audience that is more than happy to buy a game if it was available.”
This yes! Saying it doesn’t matter just because piracy won’t go away, ai just can’t agree with, because it’s like you said, it give less inventive to do stuff, and people like me will happily pay for it.
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@Snatcher The crazy part, Sega actually allows mods via Steam Workshop. Remember playing a mod of Sonic 2 where you played as Amy, and Cream was in place of Tails. Provided you own the Genesis game in your Steam library from the Steam store.
@Eagly@Snatcher Thanks! For the record, I don't pirate games and the few ROMs I have are from PC versions of Sega and Neo-Geo classics bought from Steam and GOG in Neo-Geo's case (which gets installed via the game's installer).
I honestly don't see Pratts Mario's voice to be that big of a deal. As far as we know, he's using his regular voice with a slightly added brooklyn accent. We haven't even heard the full extent of the performance, so it could sound better once we hear more of it later. It would have been an improvement if they got a professional voice actor instead, but it's fine for what we got. @mikegamer
A bunch of software is also literally only possible through emulation like prototypes, unreleased finished games, and titles that never left certain countries. People don't want to think this, but all old games will eventually only be playable in emulators because of cartridge, disc, and hardware rot. It's only a matter of time.
Of course, I only said it was unpopular because a LOT of people are so vehemently against emulation and think it's pure evil and illegal no matter how legal it is. Many SCOTUS judges have deemed them to be legal, and I consider that to be official laws of the land, not what fearmongering Nintendo likes to say on their stupid legal page.
both N64 fanatics and bandwagon jumpers alike love to paint broad strokes and shove "Super Mario 64" down our gullets on a daily basis, as if a single game does a console make.
To be fair, Sony's the one that made Crash Bandicoot 1 the competition of it.
Y'know, the one whose idea of 3D is just "what if 2d platformer but sometimes the perspective is much worse" and has the worst save system in the universe. (I like Crash 2 so I can state this from a relatively neutral position)
I cant think of a single Nintendo 64 game I want to play in 2022 that hasn’t been remastered all the n64 games worth playing are in a better form on another counsole (usually the ds) Mario 64 DS >>>>>> mario 64 same goes for OOT, Majoras mask and starfox (and smash games replace one another).
To be fair, Sony's the one that made Crash Bandicoot 1 the competition of it.
Y'know, the one whose idea of 3D is just "what if 2d platformer but sometimes the perspective is much worse" and has the worst save system in the universe. (I like Crash 2 so I can state this from a relatively neutral position)
While you mention it...
I enjoy me some Crash Bandicoot...I really do. But I can't, for a second, understand how he was ever considered a legitimate competitor to Mario. Mario has always been an S/A-tier platformer - a pioneer of the industry - whereas Crash is...a B-tier at best? Crash's platforming is fun but I've always found his games to be fundamentally flawed in execution (mostly due to perspective and hitboxes). I'm honestly not the biggest fan of Mario 64, but I think it did far more for the industry than any of Crash's games. And I think Spyro was the much superior Mario competitor.
I would say the N64 is overrated but I think we're now past the days of blind nostalgia to that console. People have either moved on, or a younger crowd have become more vocal, and people are beginning to see it for what it was: an influential (albeit maybe not as influential as PS1) but flawed console with strengths in some areas (platformers, local multiplayer) and glaring weaknesses in others (restricted library, lack of major genres such as JRPGs, lack of third party support, archaic 3D gameplay and graphics). The N64 and PS1 were great at the time for being the pioneers of 3D gameplay and graphics...but unfortunately this means they've both aged pretty poorly.
I wouldn't say the N64 has aged any worse than the PS1 however - in fact, I'd say despite the smaller library of the N64, it has maybe a few more games I'd revisit today than I would on the PS1. This is probably due to the N64 having more focus on stylised games and local multiplayer.
@Euler You are lumping together people who pirate new releases, people who pirated games that were on VC and NSO and people who pirate games that have never been rereleased. Also you realize Nintendo having the capability to release old games like mother 3 on VC only adds to frustration and makes people more likely to pirate . No one is ignoring Official Nintendo emulators they see Nintendo has the capability to put any of these games on switch but refuse to because of greed or pride.
Yes, a difference in degree and not a difference in kind. Much as stealing a video game from Walmart and stealing a car are both theft. Same applies even if the car or the video game is discontinued or was only released in Japan or whatever.
@mikegamer The only ones who decry emulation are the ones who stand to gain, personally, from it's demonization. Like retro gaming youtubers who want to continue to inflate the value of their old games, and corporations looking to cash in on 30 year old releases for years to come. Imagine a dark future where the only way to play SNES games is through Nintendo's Online service. I shudder to even think about it.
And there it is. Nintendo is bad because it wants to profit off selling the games it made beyond some arbitrary cutoff period piracy apologists have invented, and stealing them is okay because NSO isn’t good enough.
I'd bet there's a HEAVY intersection between people who "pirate" classic games and people who buy VC, subscribe to NSO, etc. Most just flat out don't care about old games.
It's insane how many old games out there are only accessible today because of fans.
@Heroofthenexus Yep. Easily Nintendo's worst major console to date. The PS1 was superior to an almost laughable degree.
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