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So I saw Hellraiser (the old one, not the new remake) as I somehow missed it although I'm pretty sure I've watched one of the various sequels as a kid which left a meh impression as it was just silly torture porn but I found the first one to be fairly decent.

I'm not sure I'd call it dated as it seems like it had rough edges even back then. It's gone for more unsettling rather than scares and gore (although it does go in hard for gore when it does) however it just can't escape the rubbish wooden acting from being a cheap flick. I'm curious as the cinematography is flat a lot of the times but when the creepy stuff it does look a lot better so was that intentional? It has this odd feeling to it as it's clearly a British film by they have tried to make it ambiguous so it could pass as American but it just makes confusing and to be rejected by both countries rather then passable as either British or American.

Pinhead and the cenobites are awesome, just visually wow plus the details like the chatting teeth really make them. Their introduction where Pinhead talks about them being demons to some and angels to others made me want more of them as they used sparingly to keep them effective so I can see why there's tons and tons of sequels.

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It's an odd one. Barker is on record as stating he didn't have a clue as to what he was doing, which explains the flatness of the film and also the really cheesy dissolves and wipes between scenes.
It sounds like the sex scenes were heavily cut by the distributors so I think that put the film out of balance, as it skews it towards being a scary monster film, rather than a really mental romance.

It does have the feel of a cheap British film (as that's what it is!), but the lack of identifying marks is quite funny - same way that early Cronenberg films refer to "North America" rather than just Canada, in the hope of wider distribution. I wonder if Ben Wheatley had this in mind when doing Kill List (along with Ken Loach and the Wicker Man)?

I think the voice of Pinhead is pitched down. I sampled it years ago and messed with the voices, and when you pitch him up a little, he sounds fairly normal. Pitch him up a little too much and it turns into a comedy!

I've only seen the first, but an ex was really into the series and it seems like the others are quite different - more like trad horror movies than a very bizarre love story.

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Practical effects are very expensive and require a lot of knowledge and experience, compared to CGI.

There will be CGI wizards, but only in the way that any programmers push the limits as to what a computer can achieve. After that its just being able to use the program.

It does mean that films as sticky as The Thing and Alien (to name two Hollywood films) won't happen again

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@jump
It's an odd one. Barker is on record as stating he didn't have a clue as to what he was doing, which explains the flatness of the film and also the really cheesy dissolves and wipes between scenes.
It sounds like the sex scenes were heavily cut by the distributors so I think that put the film out of balance, as it skews it towards being a scary monster film, rather than a really mental romance.

It does have the feel of a cheap British film (as that's what it is!), but the lack of identifying marks is quite funny - same way that early Cronenberg films refer to "North America" rather than just Canada, in the hope of wider distribution. I wonder if Ben Wheatley had this in mind when doing Kill List (along with Ken Loach and the Wicker Man)?

I think the voice of Pinhead is pitched down. I sampled it years ago and messed with the voices, and when you pitch him up a little, he sounds fairly normal. Pitch him up a little too much and it turns into a comedy!

I've only seen the first, but an ex was really into the series and it seems like the others are quite different - more like trad horror movies than a very bizarre love story.

Yeah, I could see a bit of a tussle behind the scenes for making it as straight of a horror film as possible. It could of done with abit more exploration of being a sadistic loverboy which seems to be Frank and the cenobite crew's deal.

These films do really seem to really catch people's imagination. My Aunt as a huge pinhead tattoo for example. It can almost certainly be thanked the cenobites for as they are cool concept. I'm in two minds about watching the sequels as I do want more of Pinhead and the gang but I suspect the sequels are just plain terrible. I vaguely remember one I saw when I was 12ish (so I'm probably gonna get it wrong) about a club owner who sleeps with women and then summons the cenobites to torture the girls once he's done with them or something like that and if they are all like that then I would just get bored of them.

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It seems that some of the sequels are just for copyright retention, and look like they cost a fiver to make, according to Wikipedia. Bit like the Fantastic Four..!

I've no idea about what the new film is going to be like, but it could be the case that it improves on the original if they get the mix right.

Barker is an author who seems to have never been on my radar. I should get some of his early stuff at some point.

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@Rambler I’ve always wanted to watch that 90s Fantastic Four film.

Yeah Clive Barker is someone I’ve always wanted to read too but I never got round to it. I have played his Undying game though. I probably should as Hellraiser and Candyman (which is based on his book) but have some really interesting concepts in them so I’m probably missing out as I imagine he would be less filtered in book form.

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I watched Planes, Trains and Automobiles last night and that's the hardest I've laughed, in a long time.

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Some recent movies....

The Munsters on Netflix, felt like a parody of the show, which is weird to say since the show is a parody of monsters. My mom and I thought it was alright. It was a fun movie, but not one I'd rush out to see. Was kind of neat it the movie was made into a prequel, and two of the surviving members had vocal cameos (Butch Patrick and Pat Priest, who played Eddie and Marilyn respectively).

Hocus Pocus 2 on Disney+, Mom and I loved this one. It was fun seeing the witches again. Had a few twists I didn't see coming, some ridiculous ideas like using a Roomba like a Witch's broom, a new witch character I didn't even see coming, even a post credits scene. Fun movie too, and liked it more than the Munsters.

Bedknobs and Brooksticks on Disney+, ok, this movie was awesome! Haven't dived into the live action Disney catalog much, and mom and I never saw this one and we both loved it. Tells the story of three kids in England, being watched by Miss Price, played by Angela Lansbury, during World War II. Nice story with some cool animated scenes and some effects. When the bad guys come, things got exciting, like Miss Price casting a spell to use armor of knights to stop the invasion of the bad guys, it was exciting and satisfying to watch. Also, was getting excited towards the end of the animated scenes. I was like "the lion is gonna find out you have the star, run, run, RUN!!!!"

@Kermit1 Excellent movie my dude. Great Thanksgiving one too!

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@Sunsy Wasn't aware Hocus Pocus 2 was out already, me and my sisters have been looking forward to that for ages! We're currently holding off on it until the big night itself but I'm glad to see its still just as great as the original!

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@Sunsy Kiki's Delivery Service is marvellous and made me laugh so much. Not even that hard! But it was incredibly easy to appreciate the messages of the film, independence prominently.

Glad to hear something good. Hoping to see it soon, when my friend can get around to it. He's introducing me to some of the Studio Ghibli movies.

@Fizza Yeah, it came out yesterday, mom and I really enjoyed it. There are a few callbacks to the first movie too. Not too much, but you'll notice them while watching the movie. Hope you enjoy it.

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I love lazy Sundays where you spend the day doing nothing but watch the telly.

I just tried watching The Greatest Showman but I had to turn it off after 10 mins as the music is incredibly loud but the talking is incredibly quiet so I got fed up with it.

So I ended up watching Passing instead. Starring the amazing Ruth Negga as this magnetic fun girl and the also amazing Tessa Thompson in a more internally conflicted role who both act their chops off. It is about two light black woman who can pass for white and focus on their twisty turny friendship. For better or worse it’s very delicate so it lacks punch but it is a very disquieting think piece without obvious conclusions to either it’s theme or plot. Also it’s directed by Rebeca Hall who is herself mixed race and passing.

I also watched The Lost City which is Sandra Bullock’s last proper film before her hiatus from acting. It like a spiritual successor to Romancing The Stone. It’s fine filled with silly camp fun but a bit forgettable really. I hope she comes back to do a better last film as she is capable of so much better than this!

Next up I’m gonna toss a coin to decide if I’m gonna watch Emily The Criminal where Aubrey Plaza does a rare non-Aubrey Plaza being weird movie (although I do like Aubrey Plaza being weird) or Thoroughbreds about two posh high school girls who are sociopaths.

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I have seen exactly none of those, with only the Greatest Showman being deliberate. Heard great things about the Rebecca Hall film.

Started watching Calm With Horses as it has Barry Keoghan in it. Also has Niamh Algar from The Virtues in it. ***** it's rough.

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My fave Sandra Bullock film is While You Were Sleeping where she plays a woman who inveigles her way into a family by playing to their distress and anguish by pretending to be the boyfriend of a relative who is in a critical condition in hospital.
It's a rom-com apparently.

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Films I watched over the weekend.

Blonde (Netflix)

A, highly speculative, journey behind the stardom of Marylin Monroe, exploring her troubled past & how those around the star used her.

It's a highly difficult film to watch, with some scenes being hard to stomach & other decisions being outright odd (and some will say exploitative), but it's also highly accomplished from a technical standpoint, with some of the most mesmerizing visuals I've seen in some time (I personally enjoyed the way it played with aspect ratios & color).

Trailer:

Raw Deal (Tubi)

Schwarzenegger vehicle that sees him in the role of a small town sheriff who goes undercover in a Chicago Mafia family for a chance to get reinstated back into the FBI. It naturally gets to the point where he straps various firearms to his person & transforms the scenery into swiss cheese.

It's not a great movie, but there's some cool action to be had.

Trailer:

Canadian Bacon (Tubi)

Political satire that sees the president (Alan Alda) trying to start a cold war with Canada in order to mask his poor approval ratings (he can't blame his failures on the Soviets any longer), and a small border town sheriff (played by John Candy) takes the whole situation a bit too seriously.

It's not a classic, but it elicited a few chuckles from me.

Trailer:

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@RR529 Welcome to the club of underrated/forgotten films club. Canadian Bacon is a fun time, watch Delirious next if you want if Tubi still has it.

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@Ramble I saw Calm With Horses too and yeah it’s bloody brutal. I had a problem with it though as someone described it as the Irish Wild West or something like that but I misunderstood and so I expected a cowboy film. I was very upset there was no cattle herding!

I’ve kinda gone off Barry Keoghan now since he became yet another Joker. On paper he should be great fit it and it’s not his fault but enough with Joker already. Let Batman fight The Condiment King in a movie for a change!

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I was expecting something like Sweet Sixteen for some reason, and it does have a bit of a Ken Loach vibe, but it's just unremittingly grim. In a good way though!

Batman Vs VAT Man - Bruce does his tax returns.

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@Kermit1, Both Canadian Bacon & Delirious were expiring at the end of the month, so both are probably off Tubi by now.

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