I'm still processing all the information from last night, I'm really trying to understand that contraption in the lighthouse and what it might mean, it was great. I love Jack episodes and this one of the best, the acting between him and his son was brilliant, the young lad did good considering who he was sharing screen time with, they nailed it, real emotion! Off island Jack seems to be getting some focus finally, while on island he's staring out at the ocean. Also, the scar in the mirror again. It's fantastic the way the timelines are bleeding into each other almost.
About the son, I'm assuming he is a new bit of information that we never found out about Jack. Or... is it possible that his past is different in this timeline? This make me wonder if the timebomb split time at all. Maybe it just pushed them into another one that already existed. My brain hurts, and it's ace!
You remember the countdown we did to the new season? Well, we have a different countdown now... 13 episodes to go!
Next question... best death? Mine might have to be Eko. Or Niki and Paulo maybe, that was pure evil, ha!
EDIT: @JayArr: Fear not dude, I think Kate's fate may be more important than we think. In the original script, apparently Kate was meant to be the hero whilst Jack was supposed to die. Also, whilst she wasn't on the wall of doom, she was on the lighthouse wheel of awesomeness. Some theories suggest Jacob kept her name off the cave wall for a reason, to protect her if the worst happened (which it has), insurance almost. Who knows?!?! D:
Man, what an episode. The ATL scenes with Jack and Son were awesome, very touching.
As for the son's existence, 'Chu, it's pretty much been implied/established that whatever changes there are in the ATL, at least some of them pre-dated Flight 815 -- like the clear implication that Locke wasn't thrown out a window by his dad (they talk about inviting him to the wedding!), for one. So whatever the ATL is, there's clearly more differences than just that the plane never crashed. There's a few theories to this (of course!), most relating to the ATL being a world without/untouched by Jacob. At any rate, it's been pretty clear from the get-go that there's differences in the ATL that go back much much further.
As for who David's mother is, i just assumed that it'll turn out to be Sarah (Jack's ex, the one he saved in surgery), but i suppose it remains to be seen.
Supremely awesome Claire-ness. Poor Dayo Ade (who, some may remember, played "BLT" on the original Degrassi Junior High/Degrassi High series in the 80s-90s), though i expected the axe to the gut (which always looks so excellently viceral when used in film). After that performance, i'd be curious to see Emilie DeRavin as the killer in a "Haute Tension" kinda movie.
Oh my goodness, the Lighthouse. SO awesome. My thoughts on who is Number 108 -- could be that it's no one, that Jacob just had a ruse set up so Jack would see the flashes in the mirror and have his flip out moment so he can quietly contemplate the waves. Obviously, 108 = the numbers all added together, so i would tend to think that's significant. I'm thinking it's probably Desmond, though Aaron is a good choice too.
Oh, and how badass was the Hurley (and Jacob) vs Dogen scene? Apparently Dogen's lines (in Japanese) were along the lines of "Good thing i have to protect you or i'd have cut your head off by now." And i absolutely loved that they had Hurley mention the theory (which has been suggested since the first season) that the skeletons in the cave were them after time travelling (popular theory has been that the two are Rose and Bernard, representing the continuing "black and white" theme of balance).
Wow, i could keep going but oy! i need to watch the episode again and hit a few freeze frames!
Now, as for best death? Nikki & Paulo was good simply because the characters were stupid, the fans hated them and the creators listened and killed them off in horrible fashion. =) But Charlie's death might be the best in terms of emotional.meaningful death, especially after Desmond had been trying so hard to prevent it.
EDIT: agreed on Kate, 'Chu. Though keep in mind that Kate might still have been on the cave wall, just not seen from the audience's persepctive. If she actually isn't on the cave wall, but clearly is on the lighthouse wheel, that's surely a very significant detail.
Very good point about Locke's Dad btw. Wow! So these could be completely different characters, who have some remnants of the island dudes within them. Hhmm...
EDIT: Did some digging and apparently the name attached to 108 is 'Wallace'. Hhmm...
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Apparently Dogen's lines (in Japanese) were along the lines of "Good thing i have to protect you or i'd have cut your head off by now."
Now, the question is, did we not see her name in the cave because it's not there, or because they - for whatever reason - didn't show it? I'd tend to think it's not on the cave, since they did make a point of making some names on the wall very apparent (the 6, as well as many of the other names like "Lewis" (Charlotte) and others). And if that's the case, that she's on the Lighthouse list but not the cave list, what does THAT mean? AHHHH! LOST makes my brain hurt in that good way! =)
And yeah, i did see (well, courtesy of some online digging) that 108 = "Wallace", whoever that may be. Again, it may have just been a red herring, as Jacob just wanted to get Jack where he needed to be. Or, as some have suggested, it may be a character we know under a different name -- like the way that Miles and Faraday and Ethan all had last names different than their known "family names" (Miles Straume being the son of Dr. Chang, Dan Faraday being the son of Eloise Hawking, Ethan going by "Rom" instead of Goodspeed).
If you haven't frequented it already, check out Lostpedia. An excellent Wiki, and the "Theory" and "Discussion" pages are fun reads (even if some people are reading WAY too deeply into the most minute of details -- of course, they turn out to be right half the time!)
I'm 100% positive the ATL past is different than pre-crash past. Hugo's boss at the chicken shack was Locke's boss in the ATL. Did Hugo even win rhe lotto in the ATL!?
Wallace = Walt .....maybe?
I hope you're right about Kate not getting "axed". #51 you say!?
Next weeks episode s going to blow the doors off some ****! They wouldn't show more than a couple faces in the preview! O_O
Hugo did win the lottery in the ATL. He mentioned it on the plane, that he won the lottery and that's how he owned Mr. Cluck's (and that's when Sawyer's ears perked up). But seems like all the bad things that happened to people around him didn't, as he obviously isn't all nuts in the ATL and seems very happy-go-lucky -- possibly 'cause the Numbers aren't "cursed" in the ATL?
I'm 100% positive the ATL past is different than pre-crash past. Hugo's boss at the chicken shack was Locke's boss in the ATL. Did Hugo even win rhe lotto in the ATL!? O_O
Randy was Hurley's boss at Mr. Cluck's before the crash in the normal timeline. Then when Hurley won the lottery, he bought the box company. Randy was employed by the box company when Hurley bought it, probably. Either way he was definitely Locke's boss in the regular timeline. So there are no differences there.
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I wonder if the ATL is an entirely different reality/universe, or is there a specific point where the two diverge? The most obvious point would be the "Incident" in '77, but since we had Losties travel as far back as '54, it could be then. Depends on what sort of time travel-causality-paradox-multiverse theory/theories they're working towards ... yay timey-wimey stuff!
10 minutes until the "Enhanced" last week's episode! Kudos to LOST for making me look forward to Tuesdays!
The ATL, or flash-sideways as it is officially called, from what I can tell is how their lives would be had the island never had existed in their lifetimes. When the plane flies back from Australia the island is debris at the bottom of the ocean, so I guess Jacob would already be dead and never have interacted with them throughout their lives. Remember they had been watching Jack since he was yong as the lighthouse showed his house growing up. So if the island had never existed, Jack's life wouldn't have been affected. As to where this is all leading, I have absolutely no idea lol.
I think this episode finally showed us how the flash sideways are relevant to what's going on on the island. Could it be that Jacob knew bringing Dogen to the island would somehow create an alternate timeline where Dogen's son was still alive. And the Man In Locke sounds to me like he wants to bring the timelines together. That's why he said Nadia might not be dead if Sayid went back home.
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If Jacob knew that Jack was gonna smash the contraption in the light house, he must have known that they would set off the bomb too, creating the alternate timeline.
Another fantastic episode! Season 6 is gonna be one hell of a ride. Only 6 episodes in and already they have trashed what they developed in those early episodes. The others are toast, the army of darkness is growing, the 'army' of light is chilling at the light house, Kate is.... what's Kate doing? I don't think she knows yet, but I'm really starting to believe she is the one. Smocke definitely doesn't know she's a candidate, as the look of indifference on his face when she tagged along was telling. Has Jacob got himself an inside agent? Maybe.
Sayid... wtf! Every scene with Dogen and Sayid was awesome, be it just chatting, fighting (how epic was that), or frolicking in the pool of destiny. Woah! Sayid is no more, that is for sure. The evil he has been resisting for so long has awoken.
I need to watch it again, because the whole temple scene seemed rushed. It was still phat though, especially when Kate did her sweet move to avoid the oncoming cloud of death. And Claire?!?! OMG that song was so chilling.
I'll get onto ATL stuff once I've watched it again, but as some of you seem to be onto already, it seems off-island events may well effect on island events somehow. Which reminds me... the scene with Keamy was excellent. "I make good eggs", lmao i did!
How evil is the dark side really? Sayid just wants back the love of his life that was stolen from him. Claire just wants her child back. Sawyer just wants off the island that harbors awful painful memories for him. I really feel for the "bad" guys here.
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