3DS Emulator Citra Is Coming To Meta Quest Next Week

Excuse me @Olliemar28 "Users will be able to play 3DS titles legally by dumping their games" ?

You do realise the terms "dumping" and "ripping" are used to avoid using the word "copy" ? Because that is exactly what happens. It's not possible to remove a rom image from a cartridge, only copy it. And I assume as a human of the world you are familiar with copyright laws ?

"Users will be able to play 3DS titles legally by dumping their games through a hacked 3DS."

Is it though? I just looked at the back of Omega Ruby and it said that the game is copy prodected and that using modified hardware can lead to the game/system becoming unusable or something along those lines (my game is in german so I don't know what it says in english)

Sure, no one will care as long as you don't share the dump but a copy is a copy

I do hope Nintendo will send their lawyers to Meta / Citra to stop this.

Honestly this is pretty cool, playing 3DS games in VR sounds great.

Just don't tell Daddy Nintendo.

@sanderev @mariomaster96 @jco83 Nintendo saying it’s illegal doesn’t make it illegal, they don’t make the laws, they’re not disney.

There’s also many countries like the Netherlands where distribution and acquisition of ROMs and other software, movies or music is fully legal as long as it isn’t being sold or paywalled.

I’m sure the 7 people who use this legally are happy you mentioned them

@sanderev
1. Meta has nothing to do with this emulator. It's just being unofficially ported to their platform. Nintendo will not sue Meta, like how they won't sue Microsoft or Google Android.

2. I don't even think Nintendo can sue the actual emulator. Sure, they can prohibit them from being hosted on large storefronts like Steam, but them using Citra is unlikely at best.

3. Emulators aren't even bad, they help preserve games that would otherwise be lost to time if they weren't ported to other platforms. It's not like Nintendo's making much money from the 3DS anymore.

@jco83 If buying isn’t owning. Then piracy isn’t stealing.

@AliceInChains It's owning that single copy of the game. Which does not come with a right to duplicate it.

@AliceInChains ownership of games is another can of worms that nobody wants to touch, even though the companies do everything to make you believe you own the purchased game

Kinda wish this wasn't reported lol just gets this stuff shut down faster

I am disappointed this dosen't play the games on a virtual 3DS in MR mode.

Cool cool. Love Citra on my phone. Upscaled and 60fps enabled, OoT3D is quite lovely in the palm of your hands.

Ha I like how we go from glassless 3D to glass 3D again. The more we go forwards the more we kept going backwards.

@HotGoomba Nintendo had never in their existence sue any emulator makers unlike Sega and Sony who did sued emulator makers and lose. Nintendo doesn't sued emulator makers cause they themselves are also emulator makers. It's only rom sites, hackers, and fan made games that they go after and it's usually the popular ones, not the no name ones which they don't want to waste time with.

@Fizza Dolphin on Steam is particularly a big deal since you could still run Dolphin through RetroArch on there anyways. It's just the app itself that didn't get implement on Steam's storefront.

I love how people are worried about Nintendo losing money on 3DS games that they no longer sell in stores or on their closed down eshop. I'll bet if half of you learned to homebrew you'd stop complaining.

@SpaceboyScreams homebrewing my 3DS removed all my FOMO from pursuing the last physical 3DS games I wanted.
If anything I played that way ever gets a remaster on current hardware I’ll probably buy it, if not no one loses.

@SpaceboyScreams Lol. It's a matter of piracy which is stealing

OK, now this is great news. If it's easy to setup and use, this is going to be awesome.

@darkswabber Distribution of roms is absolutely NOT legal in the Netherlands.

See: https://stichtingbrein.nl/faq/

Auteursrecht gaat over openbaar maken en verveelvoudigen. Dus over verspreiden (zoals bijvoorbeeld uploaden) en kopiëren (zoals bijvoorbeeld downloaden). Je mag niet een auteursrechtelijk beschermd werk uploaden of een link plaatsen naar een zonder toestemming aangeboden werk. Je mag illegaal aanbod ook niet downloaden of streamen.

Of gewoon de Auteurswet; hoofdstuk 6: https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0001886/2022-10-01#HoofdstukVI

Dumping ROMs of an discontinued system, that has been taken fully offline, is morally correct actually.

This is pretty cool don't really know what 3ds games I would want to use this on though. The more ways to play old games that aren't really sold the better.

@sanderev ah I think I mixed up the legallity of distribution vs downloading itself (which was very much legal until the EU made it illegal).

Btw tip translate your comment because NintendoLife has rules against non English comments. Got some comments deleted years ago for those reasons.

Why are all these nerds so anti piracy.
It's illegal because of capitalism, not because its morally wrong.

I will continue to enjoy playing ROMS on my Miyoo Mini +
I recently beat Mother 3, and am playing through GoldenSun.

@jco83 It is impossible to enjoy any media without its contents being copied somewhere.
In general copyright laws restrict the making available copies, not the copying.
You can copy for yourself as much as you want, as long as it doesn't make it available to more people than would otherwise have access.

@SillyPlanet92 "It's because of capitalism" ? What the heck is that supposed to mean? No it's because people want to be able to come together against the rest of the world and make something great and live off it, or enjoy what such people make. That's it. That's why they make such laws. What do you even mean by something being moral?
When ever people talk of capitalism, they are simply talking about what ever people do, which they are angry at, and if they were dictator it would be different. It's a meaningless term.

This is genius! A good way to preserve these games in their 3D format.

@jco83 respectfully, your view is your view. Mine does differ though. I highly doubt that my opinion and that is all it is, will sway you. But…. If I spend money on something. I can do what I want with that item. If I want to copy my cartridge, then play it at 4k with an unlocked frame rate. I will. I will play on my preferred platform (PC), with a controller of my choice. using Pokémon as an example, on 3DS, I get one save. Ridiculous. Nintendo and any other company that place archaic restrictions, will always be bypassed. Now unlike some. I actually own a 3DS. I also own the games I emulate (although not all) but if Nintendo don’t sell it. Download it I will. I ain’t giving my money to some reseller.

Always good to have 3DS games preserved in more places. Wouldn't play it on a meta quest myself but yeah. I see no problem with this morally, probably not legally either.

Is there a VIRTUAL BOY emulator for meta quest? Would be perfect too

@DonkeyBrainKing The Definitive Ocarina experience right now.

@LawnChairMan Samus Returns for sure.

@RodrigoCard Honestly virtual boy's Schtick was basically just simple two color 3d iirc, basically the red and blue glasses thing, so we could probably both make a virtual boy with things around our house!

@SillyPlanet92 "We play Zelda and Mario from NES to Wii, We'll steal Pikachu and your Mother 2, Nintendo Pirates We"

I tried setting up Citra and it's just not worth it...I'm pretty certain the games I'd want to play would run terribly anyways. Can't even get Gamecube games running well on Steam Deck.

This will end up just like dolphin on steam.

@blindsquirrel Not gonna happen unless Meta called Nintendo about it. Even so it's still Meta's decision to either support it or remove it.

Why so many are butthurt about an emulator of an already dead console which has no new games and its storefront is also dead? You guys are aware that many 3DS games are already getting pretty expensive in second-hand market right?

I am not saying I am in favor of piracy, but clearly there is already a supply problem with this, and yes nobody cares if you rip your own games to play on emulators. Pretty cool that it works in VR now.

For instance, my 3ds died, lucky me I already have ripped my games, if it was for some commenters here the only fair way of playing would be buying another 3ds, as if citra would really hurt Nintendo now.

Well I sure do like blowing chunks while playing my favorite 3ds games

@sanderev It used to be the case though, but this law change has been there for a while.. (and the ziggo v pirate bay case also provided some juridisdiction.. still the old idea persists..

the day nintendo discontinued the eshop though, I homebrewed my 3ds... it became an obsolete system for me...

@SillyPlanet92 😭
What do you mean by morally wrong? Do you have a definition at all?

@jco83 So don't steal. Rip your own copies that you purchased. lol. Do you think anyone who shops at a store is doing something morally wrong because the possibility of slipping a bag of M&Ms in their pocket exists? Or are you just mad that they can buy the bag legally then go home and put the candy in a magical duplicating machine and eat as many as they want, hurting nobody (except their waistline)?

Does that mean that we would be able to see the 3D effect if we played Citra with the Meta Quest?

American Supreme Court has ruled twice against copyright holders. One case, who’s name escapes me at this time, is like Balun v something I think, ruled once a company or a citizen has sold a product to another citizen, that citizen can do whatever they want with the product.

Universal v Sony ruled that consumers are allowed to make copies of anything they own, or have broadcasted into their homes.

Also, the American Constitution only allows valid contacts if two parties meet. All that fantasy legalese of EULAs and TOSs have NEVER stood up in ANY American courtroom, as the Constitution invalidates the concepts immediately. (Individual state constitutions may allow EULAs and TOSs to be legal, but state and local judges have still dismissed or ruled against EULAs and TOSs.)

Under the American Constitution, Americans are unbeholden to so-called “international” law, as the American Constitution declares itself the supreme law of the land.

As for 3DS emulation, ALL licenses 3DS titles are programmed on devkits that use a 3DS emulator. I have used this devkit many times on a dozen titles that I worked on at a few development studios.

As a programmer and designer in the industry, I despise copying my works, but I will not go after somebody who does it. That’s between them and God and nobody else.

@mariomaster96 Wait, you're telling me it's illegal to make personal back-up copies of the games you bought?

I was under the impression that it was only illegal to share those copies with other people but that you are free you own personal copies and make personal modifications to anything you own basically.

@DaniPooo Idk, that why I'm asking.

I always see people claim that dumping your own games is legal but I'm not 100% sure if that's true. I mean owning one copy of something generally doesn't make you eligible to own two copies.

But as you said, as long as you don't share that copy probably no one will know/care

@mariomaster96 https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-digital.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20under%20certain%20conditions%20as,to%20other%20types%20of%20works.

according to this it's totally legal to make as many copies you want as long as you own the original software/game.