Retro hardware specialist Analogue has lifted the lid on its next major project, the Analogue Super Nt.
Like the Analogue Nt and Analogue Nt Mini before it, the Super Nt uses Field Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) technology to replicate the performance of vintage hardware (in this case, the SNES) on a hardware rather than a software level. That means zero lag, total accuracy and superb compatibility - the team has apparently tested over two thousand SNES and Super Famicom games to make sure they work.
The system accepts original cartridges and comes with two controller ports so you can use your original pads. It's compatible with 8Bitdo's new SNES-style wireless controllers, as well.
Output is 1080p via HDMI (720 and 480p modes are also available), and the system comes packed with unique features such as scanlines, scaling and 48KHz, 16-bit digital stereo sound. There's an SD card slot to update the firmware, which suggests that (like the Analogue Nt), you'll be able to install custom firmware and replicate other systems as well.
Here's the machine in action:
The real surprise here is the price; Analogue products usually carry high price tags, and with good reason - they're produced to the highest possible standards. We're sure the Super Nt will be no exception, but the difference is it won't break the bank - the unit costs a very reasonable $189.99.
The Super Nt comes in four different designs: Black, Classic (North American SNES), SF (Super Famicom / Euro SNES) and Transparent. The 8Bitdo pads are available at a discounted price of $39.99 (you don't get one in the box), complete with the all-important Retro Receiver which allows them to connect to the console wirelessly. If you have existing 8Bitdo pads then they will work as well.
Pre-orders are open right now, and the console is expected to ship in February 2018. Let us know if you'll be placing an order by posting a comment below.
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That transparent one is pretty awesome. We need to go back to the days of transparent hardware. Just another one of the millions of reasons why the 90s was a better time.
Since it's FGPA does that mean that it can be told to run as an authentic NES or Master System or Mega Drive too?
Because that would make a pretty essential piece of kit...
Yes, about time! I'm definitely going to buy one at some point, or at least the next version of this.
@thesilverbrick Tell me about it!
@StuTwo I guess technically yes.
Hmm, I was expecting three times that price point. Certainly an option to consider in due time.
They should had done this with the original Analog Nt as well? The $500 asking price kill that one for me but this one seem like it may hit the spot. I may eventually get one soon as long as they keep it under $200, would be the perfect system for retro live stream provided RetroUSB won't beat them to the punch again with a Super AVS HD or something.
I'm actually kind of surprised this kind of thing is allowed to exist. It allows people to play their old games again instead of downloading them on virtual console shops.
And people still complain about piracy... LOL! proceeds to download Chrono Trigger to insert into SNES Classic
@CheddarSword Nah the complain usually comes to the fact that most of these clones plays nothing like the original since the audio would be off or there will be in-game crash or glitches that were not present in the original. Piracy concerns only applies to emulation like what the Ouya, Retro Pi, Retro Freak, and Retron 5 are doing. If Analog Nt could make my old games looks and plays like new again in the greatest of quality at the most affordable price, then I'm all for it.
Well done.
@CheddarSword Piracy is downloading games you don't legally own, whereas this system is designed to play physical cartridges of games. Unless you robbed someone for their SNES games, I doubt you can illegally own physical cartridges.
This is what I’ve been waiting for ever since Kevtris announced he was working on other projects once the hi-def NES Kit and Analogue NT came out! Already preordered one!
Can’t wait but my SNES Classic will definitely tide me over in the mean time
@retro_player_22 Things can change, but RetroUSB is on the record saying he has no interest or nostalgia for the SNES, and thus isn't motivated to implement it. It's also a much bigger job to implement the SNES on an FPGA than it is the NES.
SNES 2.0 ??
I like the Super Famicom style.
If the machine truly can play Old SNES Cartridge regardless of Region, I'm tempted to buy one.
@Kayfios He was making a joke that in a day and age where companies want to sell you a digital copy of a game for the 17th time, that someone would put out a product that allows you to play things you have already paid for and already own.
@Kayfios Yeah, I get that, but the cartridges exist now, and Nintendo isn't producing them anymore. They're just milking the games through VC.
So if I were to play the cartridge OR pirate the rom of it, either way, nintendo's still not making money on it. Playing the old cartridges is now comparable to piracy in terms of effect.
I'm not saying anyone SHOULD pirate games, but I do think this is worth discussing. Legally it's wrong. But morally? Financially?
@Menchi187 Less of a joke and more of a point of discussion that you nailed perfectly.
@StuTwo I guess it's possible!
@Guspaz Then that's their loss, anyways the Analog Super Nt looks great. I may get the black version, kinda disappointed that the $190 asking price was only for the console alone (meaning it won't come with any controllers at all). Would had been nice if they throw in a free controller for you at that too but oh well I already had enough controllers as is.
I'd be the first to offer a Raspberry Pi as the alternative, but not in this case. This unlike the NES/SNES Classic is the real deal, zero emulation, 100% hardware.
The black and transparent models look pretty decent but the other two just look like cheap knock-offs imo (if they had semi-transparent models available in a few colours then I think those would look great). I like this solution in general though, if that's what you're after.
@retro_player_22 The way I look at it, it's dirt cheap compared to the $450 asking price for the Nt Mini, and if the Super Nt also gets the jailbreak firmware bringing all the 8-bit console FPGA cores to it, the value will be incredible.
Personally, I went for the transparent one. I'm a sucker for 90s-style transparent Nintendo consoles... Atomic purple was the best.
I'm ALL over that Super Famicom model!!!
I’ve got my preorder in. I went for the transparent one, although I was tempted by the black model too. While my nostalgia for the Super Famicom is very, very strong, I don’t think those designs really look enough like the Super Famicom to really satisfy my love for that design.
It will be interesting to see if it can run ROMs from the SD card slot, as that would mean implementing the Super FX chip on FPGA, which is something the SD2SNES designer still hasn’t managed.
Roll on an FPGA N64!
Not interested in SNES. I’ll keep waiting for Mega Drive and PCE FPGA boxes. It’s inevitable, right?
This is the type of clone console I can get behind. The Analogue Nt looks awesome but is too expensive. This is a much more reasonable price, and should be much better than the horrendous clone SNES consoles that have popped up recently.
Does it mention if it's compatible with the SD2SNES cartridge?
@NinChocolate
Kevtris released a bunch of 8 bit cores for the anaolgue nt mini. I think there is a reasonable expectation that he'll release pce and genesis cores for this.
@GravyThief Analogue has said on twitter it's compatible with the SD2SNES/Everdrive. The expectation is, if it works on a real SNES, it'll work on this thing.
Also, I know they said it'll work with all accessories, but I wouldn't count on the Super Scope (that relied on CRT raster beams), or that ultra-rare exercise bike (this thing probably doesn't have the expansion port that only the bike used).
@Kayfios Actually piracy is down loading a game without paying for it regardless if you own a copy or not.
Does anyone know if I can use a Super Famicom cartridge to be able to legally play English translation patches to games ala Retron 5 and back-ups? If someone confirms this, I'm 100% getting this pre-ordered stat!
Now this is how Nintendo should have done it. Very nice!
They probably got the price down because they're going with plastic housing rather than the custom aluminum shells they used with the NES-based Nt. If they're smart about it, they could go make a cheaper version of that with a plastic shell and print more money!
I am so getting the black one!
I preordered the Classic U.S. SNES gray and purple version.
@Furealz With FPGA if it works on real hardware, it should work on this. I Tweeted at them directly about flash cart support & they replied back directly that it's 100% compatible with flash carts like SD2SNES
@Guspaz I'm going to pre-order the black one, I'm just not a fan of the grey and purple or the Japanese ones. When it comes to product like these I'm more attracted to the darker color and usually ones that doesn't feature any colors of the rainbow.
If only it had four controller ports!! The NES version had them, so why doesn't this one too?
@CheddarSword These types of devices are completely legal & they encourage actual cartridge use. The patents on the SNES/SFC internals expired years ago.
I was actually impressed and a little bit intrigued while reading the article until I saw the price.
There's nothing 'reasonable' about $189.99 for a retro console!
I have an Analogue NT and love it. No hesitations here, I’m in with the transparent one.
@shani
To each his own. Retro gaming isn't for everyone, but you'd easily spend more than this trying to get the same picture out of an original SNES. For retro gamers who have dealt with lag in the past this is an amazing solution. It's another huge bonus that Kevtris is involved and has already demonstrated that he will likely release the cores for the 8 bit and 16 bit machines so this will likely turn into a way to play over a dozen systems in glorious lag free 1080p.
@cleveland124 I get that, but it's just that playing old and outdated games isn't worth that much money to me. I wouldn't pay that same amount for a SNES (with or without the same picture) either.
Those games were fun in the past and I might play them for a few minutes on emulators or VC, but only if they're for free or cost just a couple of bucks.
To each their own, everyone has to make their own choice. But I'd rather spend such a huge amount of money (if at all) on recent games which are superior in every way because there has been a lot of progress in the 25 years that have passed.
I just don't get this backward retro hype. It seems to me like everyone's ignoring that there has been a lot of progress.
And it's not just retro games, this reactionary trend and the illusion of being able to go back has also emerged in politics (see Trump, Brexit etc.).
But sure, if others value all that old stuff so highly, they can go ahead and pay that steep price.
It just feels like a waste of time and money to me. I'd rather live in the present and look forward to the future instead of playing overpriced retro games that can never feel like they felt in my childhood again because a) they're outdated and b) it's not 1995 and c) I'm not 10 anymore.
@Dreamcaster-X Still, they allow you to play video games that were released years ago, which Nintendo is still trying to milk those same games today. Playing them on this console is, in effect, no different than piracy.
I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do, but rather make a point and maybe start a conversation.
Using a console like this to play your old carts gives nintendo and other game copywright holders no cash at all, just like download a rom and running it on an emulator.
And to be honest, the emulators tend to work better than most of these clone consoles. Heck, even the SNES Classic has a few glitches here and there in my experience.
So, from a LEGAL standpoint, pirace bad, clone/original console good. But from a common sense standpoint and a moral standpoint, who honestly cares?
Nintendo isn't losing anything by me download a rom of Super Metroid because i could just as easily buy a used copy from Ebay and pop it into a SNES or clone console.
@shani There are quite a few modern games that I really like and several genres, such as racing, in which modern games are vastly superior to retro games. But many of my favorite games are pre-3D graphics and have yet to be bested on modern hardware. I'm talking games like Chrono Trigger, U.N. Squadron, Final Fantasy III/VI, Macross: Scramble Valkyrie, Gundam Wing Endless Duel, and Mega Man X. Emulation has gotten better but is not perfects. There's something about the purity of gameplay that retro games offer that cannot be beaten by modern game design. Some of that has to do with the constraints of the older systems.
I also have a fairly extensive SNES collection and this will be the best way to play them.
Note: You do have to buy the controllers separately, or so it seems, so there is a little bit of trick with the initial price there.
@CheddarSword "Playing them on this console is, in effect, no different than piracy."
You're wrong. Look up the definition of piracy.
"Nintendo isn't losing anything by me download a rom of Super Metroid because i could just as easily buy a used copy from Ebay and pop it into a SNES or clone console."
Not sure what you're trying to say. It's also easy to buy it from the Nintendo eShop.
"So if I were to play the cartridge OR pirate the rom of it, either way, nintendo's still not making money on it. Playing the old cartridges is now comparable to piracy in terms of effect."
Someone purchased the cartridge, so the publisher already received money. If you argue that it's in the past, then if you buy a game today and play it tomorrow, it's the same as piracy because the publisher doesn't receive money tomorrow. That's nonsensical.
@impurekind Or you can use some actual SNES controllers. Of course not everyone still has them but it’s nice that they offer it without any controllers to keep the price down for those that do.
And if your okay without wireless you should be able to find genuine ones for less than $40. Though the days of finding those for $3 at thrift stores are probably coming to an end.
@shani
It was obvious before what your opinion was. If you want to rag on things other people enjoy because you don't that's your prerogative. Let's keep politics out of this though. Retro games = support for Trump is illogical and is likely to derail this thread.
@shani Some old games are timeless, and new games don't need to be better than old games. Have you played FFVI and FFXIII? Do you think which one is better? How many modern Metroidvania games are better than Super Metroid? How many modern 2D Zelda-style games are better than A Link to the Past?
You can pre-order it now, but I was bummed to see that its one and only shipping option within the US (Washington to, in my case, Ohio) is 33 dollars. That's insane. This is a small, lightweight item. Hoping it's some kind of system error.
Okay, but ppl are selling cartridges are crazy prices. Unless you have a bunch you’re gonna be paying $15-$40 per game from private sellers. You might as well just get them through VC and deal with the issues. It will save you more.
@NinNin "Someone purchased the cartridge, so the publisher already received money. If you argue that it's in the past, then if you buy a game today and play it tomorrow, it's the same as piracy because the publisher doesn't receive money tomorrow. That's nonsensical."
And thus you have proven my point.
These games aren't being made anymore, but they were once. Pirating them is no different than popping your old carts into your old console or a new clone console.
This point alone kills most arguments "anti piracy" people have. I'm not really stealing by playing a rom of an old console, because they're losing the same amount of money as if I bought the game from someone else and popped it into a clone SNES.
You made a statement that it's also easy to download the game from the e shop. And you're right. It's incredibly easy. But you're paying for the right to play the game on a modern console. why do that when you can just as easily pirate the game? morally, you're in clear, since they would still lose money if you went for cart and console.
@CheddarSword Nope. I refuted your point. You really think that if you buy a game today and play it tomorrow, it's the same as piracy?
It doesn't matter if a game is still being sold. If I buy Super Mario All-Stars for Wii, when it's out of print, it doesn't make me a pirate. Nintendo already got my money. Stop selling it doesn't make people who bought it pirates.
"Pirating them is no different than popping your old carts into your old console or a new clone console."
The difference is that you purchased the game. You didn't pirate it. The difference is clear. I'm not sure why you can't see it.
"You made a statement that it's also easy to download the game from the e shop. And you're right. It's incredibly easy. But you're paying for the right to play the game on a modern console. why do that when you can just as easily pirate the game? morally, you're in clear, since they would still lose money if you went for cart and console."
It seems you think that any action that doesn't make the company who owns the copyright get money equates to piracy, but it's not the case. Using that logic, it means that everyone is a pirate because nobody buys every single game ever made. For example, if you don't buy Destiny 2, that's the same as piracy because Activision doesn't get money from you. That doesn't make any sense. If you gift a game to your Steam friend, it doesn't make him a pirate. If you don't play games that you don't own or have permission to play, you don't pirate them. It's very simple. You shouldn't overcomplicate it.
@NinNin Wow, I should've tried this method years ago. You're actually making my points for me. The whole "Piracy is evil!" argument people make nowadays makes no sense to me. You seen how pointless the arguments i was making were. You're completely right.
It is indeed NOT piracy to play a game that is out of print. As such, it shouldn't really be considered piracy to download said game and play it on an emulator.
And here's why. If there is indeed a legal alternative that allows for you to play a game without it's copyright holder making money, then the illegal methods should indeed be considered morally acceptable and for that matter, not illegal at all.
Buying a used game at one point was called "legal piracy". I understand the point of that statement but if the company's not making money either way, then who cares how I play the game?
However, companies need to make money to continue making games. With that in mind, I do believe that there should be a "do not pirate" time frame. Give the company time to make the money they have earned. because let's face it. the moment someone trades the game in, that's a lost future sale.
In short, i'm saying there should be a sort of compromise between those who fly the jolly roger, and those who seek to demonize them.
@cleveland124 No, I don't want to spoil the fun for others and I think I made that perfectly clear in my previous post. People can spend all their money on old games if they want, I just don't understand why. For me it's like buying toys from the stone age.
And I didn't mean everyone who plays retro games does support reactionary politics. But the underlying concept is the same: longing for the past and neglecting he present.
@NinNin No, I don't like metroidvania games in general, the same goes for FF.
But I do believe that every single 3D Zelda game is better than any 2D Zelda game. I even tried Minish Cap on the Wii U and briefly Link between worlds on 3DS. They're not bad games at all, but they just can't give the same experience as the 3D titles. So after a while I just stopped playing because those games are so restrictive.
@shani
If you don't understand something and want to know more about it, then ask a question genuinely. Saying I don't understand something then comparing that to an extremist view is being intentionally ignorant and simply a trolling post looking for a fight.
To answer the question which I'm not sure you're asking. Games are supposed to be fun. I try all kinds of games and genres because I want to have fun. When a game was made does not determine if it was fun or not. Sure some old games are rough to go back to, but many games released today are stinkers too. You're viewpoint also ignores people like my friend at work that bought a SNES classic when he never owned one just because he wanted to see what some of the best SNES games were like. He loves it. It's full of great games. His kids (9,11) also love it.
Your reality is you are trying to make a statement with a very weak comparison. Do you take pictures? That is a form of remembering the past. Wanting to remember the past isn't a bad thing. Making the jump from say someone enjoying the past to wanting to relive the past is a big jump for which you've provided no evidence other than your ignorance.
@cleveland124 I don't see where my post was 'intentionally ignorant and simply a trolling post looking for a fight'.
I simply made a very reasonable comparison regarding the logic of the retro trend in games and politics. It's the same concept on a logical level, only with different consequences and intentions.
Playing retro games is just to have fun whereas the intentions of Brexit and Trump are to discriminate and exclude people.
But how is that relevant for my comparison or this discussion?
The underlying idea is exactly the same, it's the misguided notion of 'everything was better in the past'.
If you still don't get these obvious similarities, may I ask if you are trolling me? How can you not see this?
The last season of Southpark actuall spent a lot of time on that matter, only in that case they compared Trump to the new Star Wars movie. Both are attempting to bring the past back into the present - which can only fail of course.
And as I have stated numerous times now, other people can spend their money on retro consoles all they want (although I don't get why someone who has missed out on the old games wouldn't use emulators instead).
But i find this retro trend highly annoying because it affects me as a player. Tons of indie and even AAA games are nowadays trying to replicate the retro feeling with terrible graphics and outdated mechanics and these games do sell pretty well, better than new games even.
So I think the gaming market is going the wrong way, they're heading back into the past instead of making innovative games.
And here we have another analogy to all the Trumps of the world. While they are trying to undo the progress regarding climate change, equal rights etc., the gaming industry is trying to undo the progress in game development
And the driving force behind them are the voters/players.
So this uses the same core at the Analogue NT? So the NT should be able to load these cores too I guess? That would make some sense as the NT does analog out too, which might justify the 2.5x price difference. Will be interesting to see how they handle the two different systems and if they give all cores to both products or how that will work.
@shani
I'll just make an honest comparison then.
When did you decide your beliefs were superior to others and feel the need to group people you admittedly don't understand into groups than you can then discriminate against. It's very reminiscent of Naziism. Why do you hate people you don't know? Do you have a skinhead? It seems based on your arguments you have alot more in common with extremist groups than those you are trying to pigeonhole into beliefs they don't have.
Hate groups are built on selfishness and superiority complexes which you are exhibiting with your argument. They are not built on everything is better in the past nor is that the argument of people that play those games. It's a strawman argument. In fact it's a poor assumption to make that if nobody played retro games that more modern games would be available.
@PtM nope. places like Gamestop do that. Trade ins do indeed kill sales. I do it. my cash is limited, so i'm not gonna drop $60 on a game I may not like just to trade it in for $25.
I'm saying that trade ins are great and buying used games helps people like me, but when you think about it, legality is the only reason people don't pirate games. If you can buy used, why not pirate? the company is out the cash either way.
If you don't use a timeframe, then people will just say "why should I even buy the game at all? someone will dump it almost as soon as it's released and i'll just get it that way." and with things like the 3DS emulator that exists, that's certainly possible.
A time frame benefits both sides. The people who want to pirate a game or buy it used for whatever reason (boycott, low cash, low interest, want to test before buying). and the companies who do lose the cash they've earned because of people who just don't give a damn.
But putting a set time limit may be troublesome. Maybe allow the window to vary? or maybe make it based on how much the game has earned?
And don't forget, people will still pay cash for the game after this time frame. Some people just like new copies of games. some do it to support the companies, some do it because they don't trust used games and some do it just because they like their copies to be new and untouched.
A compromise works out best for both sides. And besides, I'm just suggesting it. There's no way 1 person can enforce it. I don't really look at myself as an arbiter either. just a guy with an idea and a point to be made.
@StuTwo It will be interesting to see what happens after launch. Kevtris did exactly that with the Analogue NT mini, releasing tons of "cores" that could be downloaded to run things like GameBoy, Sega Master System, etc... Would be awesome if he did the same for 16 bit consoles.
@retro_player_22 I'm one of the morons that bought the NT Mini. While I like it, I'll be the first to admit it wasn't "worth it". The aluminum casing and added controller/receiver definitely added to the cost. I'm seriously considering picking one of these up, despite my original RGB modded SNES working perfectly fine right now...
Also, anyone else get ridiculous shipping prices? They want $45 for UPS ground... that doesn't make any sense at all, even shipping from UK to USA.
@cleveland124 When did I say that my opinions are superior or that I hate anyone?
If anything, I did the opposite by repeatedly stating that I'm fine with others buying those games.
I don't know how you could read that into my posts.
@roadrunner343 I think the possibility definitely changes a few things. For a start off anyone in a post Super NT world who says 'just buy a Raspberry Pi for emulating old consoles' or anyone who mods a collectible like the NES Mini to add more games should be rightfully shamed...
...because they are clearly such inferior solutions. This is the real deal at a pretty reasonable price. If it can be jail broken to support FPGA NES and Master System and others in addition to SNES.
I'd absolutely love to get one. Price will probably put me off but still it's a very enticing long term solution and I'm delighted it exists.
@shani I think the reality is slightly more blurred.
'Retro' games were simpler by necessity but that simplicity made the games inherently more accessible. It also reduced the time investment needed to play and enjoy them.
There are definitely people who loved games like Space Invaders or PAC Man who drifted away from games as they became more complex. Even more who gave up as games went 3D.
It's possible that Mario Odyssey will become the best selling 3D Mario but it won't hit a quarter of the sales of the 2d NSMB Wii. It might not even sell more than NSMB U.
Also many features of complex modern games are not innovative at all but lazy. Games weren't inherently better in the past but they were free from some of the unnecessary baggage of modern games. Which makes revisiting many (though not all) of them refreshing.
Going 'retro' and imposing tight rules on game design can also lead to greater creativity. Developers can achieve that in other ways but the rules of 'retro' are a clear set of standards that can be used and understood.
@StuTwo Absolutely! That's how I justified it to myself when purchasing the NT Mini. Of course I was lying to myself to justify the purchase, but having all those systems running on an FPGA? That's pretty awesome. Like you said, there really isn't a comparison between this and emulation. I sincerely hope the same thing happens with the Super NT, but programming an FPGA for 16 bit consoles is much more complex, so I also wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get the same jailbreak treatment as the NT Mini.
Personally, I don't think the Super NT will ever get NES support. I don't think Kevtris would do that to Analogue, as that would essentially eliminate the NT Mini as an option, everyone would just buy the cheaper, better Super NT.
@shani
You claimed victimization by retro gamers habits in response #60 so it would seem you do care how retro gamers spend their money.
"But i find this retro trend highly annoying because it affects me as a player. Tons of indie and even AAA games are nowadays trying to replicate the retro feeling with terrible graphics and outdated mechanics and these games do sell pretty well, better than new games even."
I guess I don't know why you have to be so insultive which is where I grab your attitude of superiority. I mean your post #43 is basically a bunch of insults to support your point. Comparing retro gaming to "backwards", "ignoring progress", you could enjoy it if you were 10. Tell me those aren't insultive and you love Trump, Brexit and see no reason for progress. Learn how to make a point without relying on insults.
@roadrunner343
I think Kevtris would release the NES core assuming he releases all the others. I think this analogue super is priced to be a mass market product whereas the analogue nes is priced to be niche. So I think they will go out in trying to push the super sales. I mean I'm not privy to inside info, but with the aluminum case, included 8bitdo controller, all the outputs, I'm not sure they'd really make more on an nes sale anyway.
@cleveland124 I just went over post #43 and I couldn't find a single insult in there (quite the opposite, I mentioned that everyone is free to make their own choices).
What's insultive about "backwards"? Do you even know what 'retro' means? It literally means 'backwards'.
And how is "ignoring progress" an insult? It's merely a factual statement. Or would you seriously classify retro(=backwards) games as innovative and progressive?
And yes I enjoyed SNES games when I was 10, because they were up-to-date at that time. Just as I enjoy games that are up-to-date today.
And if you read the part you quoted closely, you'll realize that I dislike the retro trend in general but not the individual people who buy retro games. These are separate things.
And 'victimization' is a rather unfitting term for what I meant, 'disagreement' is more like it. I disagree with that trend, but I don't feel like a victim (feeling like a victim regarding video games sounds pretty absurd).
Maybe you should learn how to not read things that aren't there into other people's opinions...
Not everyone has bad intentions when they're just calmly stating their opinion, you know.
@shani No, but they would make more if they sold both, which just wouldn't make sense if the Super NT also plays NES games flawlessly. Since the Kevtris' cores aren't supported by Analogue, I just don't see him releasing a core that provides the exact function of another product that he spent thousands of hours working on and is still sold. As a consumer, I hope I'm wrong =D Then I could sell my NT Mini, buy the Super NT, and still have a couple hundred dollars leftover!
@shani
So when you compared it to Trump/Brexit, you didn't mean that to be insulting? You do love Trump/Brexit?
@cleveland124 No I didn't, why would I 'hide' an insult behind a simple and logical argument?
Why do you suspect everything to be an insult, can't it just be an argument without any hidden agendas?
And no I don't love Trump/Brexit and I'm starting to believe you're just trolling for no reason...
@roadrunner343
Sure they'd make more if they sold both. If I'm reading correctly though, the nes and super both use the Altera Cyclone V chip. So I wonder if it's possible to get super games on the NES. Maybe the inputs would make it unfeasible.
@shani
My grandparents are older and long for the days when they had better health, but I wouldn't go around comparing them to brexit. Your argument has always been fundamentally flawed because many retro gamers are also modern gamers. It's not an either or. Also, unless you played all 1,000 NES games, 1,000 Super gamers, 1,000 genesis games, etc, there is a great deal of new things that can be found there.
@shani
No I didn't, why would I 'hide' an insult behind a simple and logical argument?
Why do you suspect everything to be an insult, can't it just be an argument without any hidden agendas?
Because it's not very logical. You are comparing a preference such as what ice cream flavor someone likes to an ideology. Politics in general are of limits because they are very provocative and in general illicit strong reactions which you are now acting surprised off. You really couldn't think of one other comparison that could be better?
@cleveland124 Again, you're not getting the point. I wasn't comparing a preference with an ideology. I was referring to the underlying logic (going backwards) that leads to a preference or an ideology. That doesn't mean the preference and the ideology have anything else in common.
You really have to learn to separate between cause and effect and stop reading so much into other's words. It seems to me that the mere mentioning of the word 'Trump' already triggered negative reaction in you (which I kinda get because of how that moron is leading the world into chaos and destruction, but that reaction is totally out of place) and that you subsequently ignored the whole context in which it was used.
It's as if someone said the random words "banana Trump car' and you responded with a pointless rant that doesn't even really go into what was actually said.
Also it's nonsensical to call politics 'provocative' in general and even more ridiculous to declare them off limits. Politics are a part of our life like anything else.
But still, I didn't even really dive into politics, I just discussed a cause that can be found in various fields, not just video games and politics.
@shani
Politics in a discussion about retro gaming serve no purpose. And I've already answered your question many times about the underlying logic being false. Most retro gamers are also modern gamers. There is no call for them to go back to how things were 25 years ago. They just like games and want to have fun. Sometimes that means playing games from a different era. Sometimes that means playing games from todays era. Also, I meantioned my buddies kids who are 9/11 who have a switch/xbox one and now a super Nintendo classic that they love. They have no nastolgia to fall back onto. It's all new games to them. Literally no one here and no retro gamer I know made the argument I play retro games because I wish it was like 1990 again. You seem to ignore the points in this thread so you can keep falling back on your flawed analogy. I mean if you have no desire to play retro games that's fine. But let's not pretend there aren't good reasons to play some of those games today that don't deal with hating the way life is today.
@cleveland124 I know that is the same chip, but based off of Analogue's marketing, it's a more powerful version. I don't know enough about them to know the exact differences.
Like I said, I'd love to be wrong - it would benefit me greatly. I just don't see them cannibalizing a higher priced unit with a device that is more power and costs half the price.
@roadrunner343
I guess it's all about kevtris. Hes the software genius. If he wants to release it he will. I don't think analogue really has a say in it. He's long talked of his project the zimba 3000 which is what this seems to fulfill. I guess I'd be surprised if he'd hold back features from essentially his dream product. But if the nes is the only core that doesnt make it over, I'll still be as happy as a clam.
@cleveland124 I won't disagree, it is mainly up to him and I too am hoping this fulfills the Z3K promise. I just know that if it were me, I wouldn't want to burn any bridges by releasing the NES core. This may explain why there hasn't been any real news on the Z3K for years. For all of our sake, let's hope all of the cores (Including Genesis and PCE please) make it to this.
I'm REALLY looking forward to the release of the Analogue Super Nt. The black version in particular looks what the Mega Drive would've looked like if it were a Nintendo console. I hope Analogue releases a second black Super Nt unit with the purple buttons from the classic edition.
@aesc My guess is that they modified the controller design because Nintendo has trademarked the design of the SNES pad with the release of the SNES mini, hence the "3rd party looking but close enough" feel. We probably won't be seeing the old design anymore outside of old stock. The 2.4GHz controllers are kind of confusing, but I guess they're just a budget option for the SNES mini.
Does anyone know know if their store charges the full price upon preorder or when it actually ships out?
Analogue charged me the day that I ordered it (which was three weeks ago).
I received my Super Nt yesterday. It's sick.
The real question is... WILL THE SUPER EVERDRIVE WORK ON IT???!!!
@dh2005 Do you have a Super Everdrive? Does it work if you do?
@cleveland124 What does that even mean "Most retro gamers are modern gamers"? I could have Swore that MOST retro gamers are older then a certain age. You can tell that just by looking at who plays and reviews retro games. Most of them are over 25. Just because you play modern games that doesn't make you a modern gamer and just because you play retro games doesn't make you a retro gamer. Me personally I believe that there is brackets and separation between everything. There's levels to this ish bruh. A retro gamer comes from that era and could talk with you about most of the systems from that era, MOST of the time. Just because there is a group of kids age 14-19 that had a SNES, N64 or Sega because their parents didn't/couldn't buy them newer systems, doesn't make them a retro gamer. The words in themselves tell the story. It's more intricate then it is simple, everything isn't so simple.
@DEZn00ts
Wow a reply to a comment I made 5 months ago. Thanks for catching up. Not really sure what your point is though. My comment was really just a reply to a poster above that seemed to be implying that people that enjoy retro games only enjoy retro games and further they enjoy retro games because of what was happening in the world at that time. Which I thought was an extreme point of view by trying to putting people in a box so that poster could make generalizations. So I think if you understood my comment, you'd understand I wasn't trying to make a point about any of the things you are saying. Many different people enjoy retro games, if they are classified as retro gamers or what's the definition of a retro gamer is really of no concern to me. And to your other question, yes super everdrive works on this.
@cleveland124 Why does it really matter if you made this comment 5 months ago??? I thought it was a good enough comment to have a conversation. Putting people in a box isn't bad either, that's PC. The thing that would be bad is if you aren't knowledgeable about what boxes you're putting people in and are constantly wrong.
@DEZn00ts
It's just this website publishes like at least 3 articles a day. So there have been like 400 articles since my comment. 10,000+ replies. If you have to find an old quote to try to start a conversation it's already DOA. And I've already moved on at this point and don't really care about the original conversation at this point. So your conversation is likely to be with yourself.
I don't really care if boxes are PC or not. I just think it's the lazy way to argue. I know group A does X. I don't know enough about group B so I must try to make trivial comparisons to group A so I can attempt to say group B does X. So then the argument moves from does group B do X to is group B like group A. Which most of the time I think is a dumb comparison because they are obviously different or group B would be in group A.
To me it sounds like you are trying to take this argument into a labeling debate like the hardcore vs. casual debate that used to sweep through these forums. And I didn't really care to participate that because I didn't really see the point either. I mean I took what somebody else used to define as a retro gamer and tried to counteract their point. If you feel the need to define retro gamer differently than what you think I defined it as fine, I don't really think that changes what I was saying. That's why I don't really see the point of explicitly defining the group we were talking about because it was always a generalization from the start.
@cleveland124 I don't see any point of reading anything else after you said argue. At that you called making observations lazy. If your here to argue theirs no point in talking to you. Unless you are some egomaniac please don't respond. I won't read anymore of your comments Cleveland. Peace.
@DEZn00ts I don't, but here's the pertinent page on the Analogue website:
https://support.analogue.co/hc/en-us/articles/115002257647-Everdrive-Powerpak-Flashcart-Support-Troubleshooting
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