Topic: NX is going to be a high performance platform in Nintendo's line

http://mynintendonews.com/2015/12/16/analyst-says-nx-doesnt-h...

he honestly has a point. Just taking a Xbone or PS4, putting it in a nintendo chassis, pricing it for like $350, and launching in 2016 with mostly late ports won't cut it.

I think that NX doesn't have to do ports of already existing ps4/xbox one games as long as they get the same upcoming stuff as ps4/xbox one. Nintendo has the bast and a fantastic 1st party lineup out there. If they get a fair share of third parties they have a fantastic prospect. The point that everybody misses i think and witch is central to Nintendo's decision is that they would never get back into the game with another WII like gimmick.

@adoion: But if you don't like Nintendo games who'd buy it? and if its coming out next year, expect a lot of late ports.

@WebHead: If I don't like Nintendo IP and the NX would come out as i predicted, i would strongly consider buying it since i would probably get the best multi-plats, witch is why i like ps4 for example plus on top of that i could still play Nintendo stuff if i change my mind. There is nothing really inherently wrong with late ports, better late than never, if they should be coming out on the NX. Final Fantasy 15 for example. People will get a ps4 just for that game and if it should come out on the NX then people will rather go with NX than ps4.

@adoion: But PS4 and xbone are already established. And their versions of the games would normally be cheaper. If NX is jsut a Nintendo-branded PS4 simila rin power, who cares?

Only way people will care is if its drastically, noticeably more powerful for $400 or less. and in 2016 that won't happen.

@WebHead: You have good points there, but i think its best to wait and see whats going to happens. I believe that what i wrote in the first post is the best prediction i have read anywhere that agrees completely with all the rumors out there and patent leaks and Nintendo announcements. But best is to wait and not to go into long discussions about every possible consequence based of could be should be. Instead of if it agrees with what we know for a fact.

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This is the the main reason I think the NX is a portable device and that they won't replace the Wii U as soon as some expect. If the NX is a home console that tries to "compete" with the PS4 it's probably going to lose. If the Wii U with its unique sell and great exclusives didn't sway people then a PS4 clone has no hope. Wouldn't the enthusiastic gamers who wanted a PS4-spec machine already have a PS4 (or XBOne or PC) by then?

It needs to be a home console that offers something so revolutionary that we wonder why it hadn't existed before. Alternatively it needs to come out later and be a solid offering that cements itself firmly into the PS5 generation. OR it's a handheld where they can almost get away with anything.

edit: Here's a graph to show my point. I plotted the sales rate of the PS3, 360 and Wii last gen. The grey highlighted area would be that generation's equivalent of having a competitor launch about when people think the NX will. Late 2016 or 2017. Needless to say, that point in time and the couple of years after it? If last-gen was any indication that'll be when the PS4 and XBOne will be at full strength. In comparison the NX will only start to really gain momentum when the enthusiasm for the "PS4 spec" machine is starting to slow..

My interpretation of the Wii's trajectory, as shown in the chart is that the system burned through consumers quickly and thus reached saturation point in 2010. That is when Nintendo should have launched their next home console (not calling it Wii-anything). Instead of seeing that period as the inevitable period when 360 and PS3 started to recover, it should be seen as the time when tens of millions of consumers were shopping for a new console and the only options were 360 and PS3 because there was no new Nintendo system.

The WiiU is past its peak (however low it was) and next fall is the time to release a new product. You can't attract consumers without a new product.

You might actually want to check some statistics, the sales for the Wii U have been steady. I also don't see how cutting the wii short in 2010 would have been beneficial, going by that graph, they shipped approximately 17.5 million units in two years.

@BlueSkies:
Well if you ignore the fact that most of the best selling games of last generation from all systems were in that period. That so called "saturation point" in 2010/11 was the period during which New SMB Wii, CoD:MW3, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Skyrim, Uncharted 3, Arkham City and Skyward Sword were dominating the charts. It was also during that period that the Kinect launched. The sales were great for the PS3 and 360 around 2011 because prices for hardware were dropping and the software was fantastic. The rapidly dropping prices of HDTVs also helped. New hardware alone would not have impressed just as new hardware alone will not beat the PS4.

It would be a bit easier to compare different consoles if you have the same starting point for them all. And preferably add wii u, xone and ps4 to it.

@Therad: I wasn't trying to compare consoles I was making a point about trying to compete against established hardware. Basically my point wasn't "the Wii U is like ____" because it isn't like any of the last gen systems. Instead my point was that 2017 is this generations 2009. If last-gen is anything to go by it'll be the start of a period where the PS4 will be at its strongest.

I just thought it would be nice to compare. Just to see if xbox and ps are following the last trend or not. Also, your graph ain't correct in a sense, since one of the consoles were actually released a year before. So xbox 360s graph should be moved a year to be comparable.

Lol. This is some level of arrogance and rudeness, but I'm not really too surprised; it is a new account.

@skywake: yeah I think we're getting a new handheld. 2016 is too risky for a new, $300 or more home console. Best to release the next console in 2017.

Well it wasn't the point I was making but just for interests sake this is about as good as I can do. We only have one full calendar year to go on so instead of a graph here's a simple list of the yearly sales for the first full year:

2007 Wii: 16.5mill
2014 PS4: 14.6mill
2007 PS3: 7.9mill
2014 XBOne: 7.9mill
2006 360: 6.8mill
2013 Wii U: 3.1mill

You underestimate the power of Nintendo 1st party power. What can Sony boast about 1st party wise? Uncharted? Last of Us? Um? And this is coming from a guy who owns a PS4 and likes Uncharted.

In other words... Put Smash on amazing hardware = MONEY.

@Blast: Yeah we saw how that worked for Gamecube and Wii U. If NX is just a $300-350 PS4 clone launching late 2016 only fanboys will care. most of the 3rd party launch titles will be late ports you can probably get cheaper on other systems. No one but Nintendo fanboys are going to care.

I still think it's a Handheld. Especially because they announced it at the sometime as they announce they where going into the smart phone App market. Smart phones are competing with the handheld marked not the home console. By saying "don't worry we still making dedicated game device" they reassuring the handheld gamer that they are not throwing in the towel and moving onto smartphones at less that's how I saw it.