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Turbo_Genesis_64

101. Posted:

strade wrote:

No, it can take weeks or even months to get treated with a government run health care system.

It can take weeks or even months to get treated in a private health care system too. I usually, have to wait several weeks for the dental office to get me in for a cleaning.

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Machu

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I only chipped in while passing before, but have now read this thread and am extremely surprised as to how cold some of you are. If humanity is ever going to evolve, care should come before the cost. Illnesses are real, money is not. I mentioned earlier that I've been paying toward the NHS for 15 years, yet have not made use of it myself, except for one time when i fell off a hill whilst 'not-sober'. Am I bothered about all that cash being used for someone else's benefit? NO! Why on Earth would I be?

When Bush was spending billions of your precious tax payers money on bombing Baghdad, and being inept and untrustworthy, you voted him back in (something I can never understand and will always make me doubt the American public). Someone who can't afford the medicine they need cos they're too poor? **** off!
God this thread has made me mad. "I don't care about the ill, not if it means more taxes, waah". Get a grip!

@Bahumet: I can afford holidays and videogames, does that mean I'm upper class? Ergh, sounds like you are a little out of touch.

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strade

103. Posted:

Turbo+Genesis+64 wrote:

strade wrote:

No, it can take weeks or even months to get treated with a government run health care system.

It can take weeks or even months to get treated in a private health care system too. I usually, have to wait several weeks for the dental office to get me in for a cleaning.

You can't just walk in and expect to be treated at the dentist office. They have those things scheduled for weeks in advance. Also, it's not like your sick anyway. You can however walk into a hospital and expect to be treated in about an hour or so. This may not be the case with a government run healthcare.

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104. Posted:

@Machu

I'm convinced Bush Jr. stold the first election becuase the state in question was governered by his weasle brother Jeb.

Interstingly enough, his mysterous other brother Marvin has a security company that was also in charge of "security" at the World Trade Center and at BOTH airports that had the 4 planes hijacked on 9/11! So there is something very fishy with the Bushes!!!!

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Machu

105. Posted:

And they voted him back in! Awesome!

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SwerdMurd

106. Posted:

Jesus christ. This is devolving into 9/11 theories...someone should lock this thread and push it into a river.

Both sides of this argument are so, so ill-informed. You guys can debate this while I earn the money to pay for my own healthcare.

If people spent as much time working as they do whining and bitching about how much health-care costs, everyone could afford it.

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Turbo_Genesis_64

107. Posted:

@Swerd_Murd

Here's from the Wikipedia article:

Marvin Bush was on the board of directors of Securacom[1] from 1993-2000.

Securacom provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Bush also served.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_P._Bush

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Bahamut_ZERO

108. Posted:

I said I would leave this thread, but dear God, Bush causing 9/11. Oh man, that's priceless :D

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Turbo_Genesis_64

109. Posted:

I didn't say he caused it! However, there never was an independent investigation in 9/11. Bush and Cheney refused to testify before the 9/11 commission. So why are they afraid to answer the most simplest of questions?

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Machu

110. Posted:

I don't believe the conspiracies, any of them.

And... I still can't believe anyone would begrudge losing a little of there wage, for the sake of others. Yuk!

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SwerdMurd

111. Posted:

@Turbo Genesis

great. Facts that seem sketchy due to retrospective coincidence. You don't work for the government--all you know is what the news tells you and what dots you think you can connect due to info gleaned from wikipedia articles. Despite what you may think, you know exactly what the government wants you to know, as do we all. Deal with it.

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112. Posted:

I bet you 99% of Americans didn't even know Bush had a brother named Marvin or his past.

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Vendetta

113. Posted:

Not wanting to overpay for healthcare, mine or others', is not "cold" or "heartless." it's SMART. And NOTHING in the proposal reduces the cost of healthcare. To the contrary, the proposal significantly increases the per-capita cost.

Better healthcare, cheaper healthcare, and more readily available healthcare will ONLY be provided by private industry. The market offers exactly ZERO examples where healthy competition increased pricing and reduced quality.

The only thing the US government should do is get out of the way of interstate insurance sales, and crack down on an overly litigious malpractice system being used as a lottery ticket by scumbags trying to get over.

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The_Fox

114. Posted:

Swerd_Murd wrote:

Jesus christ. This is devolving into 9/11 theories...someone should lock this thread and push it into a river.

Both sides of this argument are so, so ill-informed. You guys can debate this while I earn the money to pay for my own healthcare.

If people spent as much time working as they do whining and bitching about how much health-care costs, everyone could afford it.

You earn your money to pay for your healthcare and its all good? How quickly your tune would change if you were hit with a major injury or illness that cost you your job, insurance and savings one by one.

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115. Posted:

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It is a myth that if you can not afford a life saving treatment you can not get it. By law doctors have to treat you for your health condition.

How misleading. If you have, say, a heart attack and are rushed to the hospital, then you recieve the treatment needed. After your condition is stabilized and you can't pay for it it's a case of out the door and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. No follow up, nothing (and more importantly no preventive care in the first place). You might be able to get your meds for free from the drug company, but that's a big maybe. Although almost all companies provide some program for free meds the list to get on is incredibly long.

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116. Posted:

[quote=Vendetta]The current proposal in the US creates a beaurocracy larger than the current system of actual healthcare providers. It has less - MUCH LESS - to do with healthcare than it does to do with increasing government's authority.
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So the plan going through will cause more bureaucracy than what we have now? Spoken like someone that has never had to fight tooth and nail with their insurance company. Our current system is a nightmare of corrupt insurance companies bullying not only the consumer but the medical industry as well. I have seen the beast in the eye and she is a rotting, evil bitch dog of poor planning and corporate greed run amok.

Edit: I really should have made these three posts one. Oh, well.

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Vendetta

117. Posted:

Don't make the mistake of thinking "anything is better than this," Fox. It's that desperate mentality that makes certain people make bad decisions. There are lots of alternatives. Some are better, others are worse. There is very little, if anything, better about the current proposal.

And I've seen my share of shit too, believe it.

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118. Posted:

I thought Sicko was a good movie. Even with a super sized cowboy hat full of salt it certainly has it´s points. See it.

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119. Posted:

The+Fox wrote:

gameking23 wrote:

It is a myth that if you can not afford a life saving treatment you can not get it. By law doctors have to treat you for your health condition.

How misleading. If you have, say, a heart attack and are rushed to the hospital, then you recieve the treatment needed. After your condition is stabilized and you can't pay for it it's a case of out the door and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. No follow up, nothing (and more importantly no preventive care in the first place). You might be able to get your meds for free from the drug company, but that's a big maybe. Although almost all companies provide some program for free meds the list to get on is incredibly long.

At least you would be alive. With socialised medicine the chances of dying from a heart attack or cancer are greatly increased than it is here in the US. With this plan enacted your choice on how you want to take care of your health care will be placed on some bureaucrat instead of you and your doctor making the decision.

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120. Posted:

@Vendetta..."Better healthcare, cheaper healthcare, and more readily available healthcare will ONLY be provided by private industry."

That seems like an extremely misguided statement. Private industry is the cause of more expensive and worse healthcare. Private industry (insurance companies and drug comanies alike) are for profit businesses. They do not care about doing things better or cheaper....they care about their bottom line. I'm assuming that you have healthcare. Have you ever lost a job and tried to afford healthcare on your own? Have you ever spent time in inner city hospitals and seen the burden placed on them by the amount of un-insured? I'm not saying that a total govenment-run healthcare system is the way to go but what we have now can not go on.

We live in one of the richest countries in the world. The amount of uninsured we have is a disgrace.

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