I appreciate the kind words. Though I don't want to sound like I was diminishing people who are entering their twenties as I am leaving mine. Passion can be a good thing, reality tends to set in with age though. Though, I do think a problem in this new internet age is people take a passionate stand without understanding the situation.
Remember too this is different than toxic people, or a toxic work environment. If a work place is hostile that's not really excusable. Sometimes it's a reality and you're just working for a paycheck, but that doesn't mean it is right. Manners are manners and harassment is harassment.
I'm almost thirty, so I don't know much about Minecraft. I know the guy sold it to Microsoft for like a billion dollars. It is essentially the same game isn't? So, I don't know why they would remove him from the credits when he created it.
Credits for IATSE productions, which is the main Hollywood union, I think are union regulated. I don't know for sure, I've never actually read it. Being credited is far down the list of things I'd change about the film industry though. You work very long hours (but very well compensated), and it really is an industry that is hard on outsiders breaking in. And because of the nature of the work being contract, it is very easy for you to be blacklisted. Like, I wouldn't say which region I work in on a forum like this because of the off chance it could comeback to haunt me. If you make millions of dollars you can say and do whatever you want, otherwise it's an industry that doesn't reward people who have not established themselves.
At the end of the day it's gig work, if you got a job that's great. If not, go get a job. I'm a grunt. I do grunt work. Hopefully by the time I'm forty I'm not one. If IATSE wants to argue it out the productions that everyone gets a credit, it's really more of a novelty for my friends and family then it does anything for me personally.
I mean hundreds if not thousands of people are involved in making every Big Mac when you think about it. Nobody really cares though.
I actually made an account just to comment on this because this is kind of interesting topic.
I work in film and television (mostly television) and it is a very rare thing to actually get a credit, especially in television. I've gotten credits in indie movies and things I've made, but never on a big Hollywood produced IATSE production. Now, television has a traditionally built in reason, that there is a set timeslot when it is broadcast, so if they credited the hundreds of people who work on an episode it would take up too much of the 22/48 minute run time. Obviously streaming series, movies and video games do not have this limitation, but when you're dealing with contract labor, you're going to have a lot of people moving in and out. For a Hollywood production, hundreds of people can work on an individual episode of television and thousands can work on a feature film. A lot only work for a few days or weeks. Like, some people here are painting it as this oppressive policy to keep workers in line, but it's really not.
My opinion on whether I get credited? I don't really care, I'm just looking to get paid. I don't even watch the majority of what I work on anyways. It was pretty cool for the first few things, seeing my name in the credits, but after that it doesn't really matter. Your name in the credits isn't nearly as important as having your name in cellphones for future work.
This is going to sound a little harsh, but I feel like a bunch of the people who are upset here are people who are in school, or haven't fully entered the working sector yet. Like obviously people hold unique opinions and others in the industry could be upset about this, but even then, I guess I'm cynical because I would assume a lot of those people would be new to the industry.
If I need a reference, I'm going to ask a person I directly worked for. If they don't feel like giving me one, then that's clearly on me. Don't get me wrong sometimes people are jerks, but then I wouldn't go to them anyways. Same as no one is going to watch the credits of something as proof you worked on it. They're going to ask you for a portfolio, or reel, or resume, or whatever. A credit doesn't tell you skill level.
Same as someone here posted that it can be hard to proof you worked on something because the company is difficult to contact. It is undeniable I worked on a TV show, whether I'm credited or not. I have tax records saying that I did, and those tax records will show up on any background check any future employer may run on me. Not that that happens in film that often, it is really a industry based on who you know, and getting them to know you.
Long story short, is people are entitled to their opinions, but if you're going to boycott things, I got news for yeah, you better be willing to boycott essentially every every piece of entertainment that has ever been made.
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Re: Metroid Dread Staff Say They've Been Left Out Of The Game's Credits, MercurySteam Responds
@Drac_Mazoku
I appreciate the kind words. Though I don't want to sound like I was diminishing people who are entering their twenties as I am leaving mine. Passion can be a good thing, reality tends to set in with age though. Though, I do think a problem in this new internet age is people take a passionate stand without understanding the situation.
Remember too this is different than toxic people, or a toxic work environment. If a work place is hostile that's not really excusable. Sometimes it's a reality and you're just working for a paycheck, but that doesn't mean it is right. Manners are manners and harassment is harassment.
Re: Metroid Dread Staff Say They've Been Left Out Of The Game's Credits, MercurySteam Responds
@anzzjam
I'm almost thirty, so I don't know much about Minecraft. I know the guy sold it to Microsoft for like a billion dollars. It is essentially the same game isn't? So, I don't know why they would remove him from the credits when he created it.
Credits for IATSE productions, which is the main Hollywood union, I think are union regulated. I don't know for sure, I've never actually read it. Being credited is far down the list of things I'd change about the film industry though. You work very long hours (but very well compensated), and it really is an industry that is hard on outsiders breaking in. And because of the nature of the work being contract, it is very easy for you to be blacklisted. Like, I wouldn't say which region I work in on a forum like this because of the off chance it could comeback to haunt me. If you make millions of dollars you can say and do whatever you want, otherwise it's an industry that doesn't reward people who have not established themselves.
At the end of the day it's gig work, if you got a job that's great. If not, go get a job. I'm a grunt. I do grunt work. Hopefully by the time I'm forty I'm not one. If IATSE wants to argue it out the productions that everyone gets a credit, it's really more of a novelty for my friends and family then it does anything for me personally.
I mean hundreds if not thousands of people are involved in making every Big Mac when you think about it. Nobody really cares though.
Re: Metroid Dread Staff Say They've Been Left Out Of The Game's Credits, MercurySteam Responds
I actually made an account just to comment on this because this is kind of interesting topic.
I work in film and television (mostly television) and it is a very rare thing to actually get a credit, especially in television. I've gotten credits in indie movies and things I've made, but never on a big Hollywood produced IATSE production. Now, television has a traditionally built in reason, that there is a set timeslot when it is broadcast, so if they credited the hundreds of people who work on an episode it would take up too much of the 22/48 minute run time. Obviously streaming series, movies and video games do not have this limitation, but when you're dealing with contract labor, you're going to have a lot of people moving in and out. For a Hollywood production, hundreds of people can work on an individual episode of television and thousands can work on a feature film. A lot only work for a few days or weeks. Like, some people here are painting it as this oppressive policy to keep workers in line, but it's really not.
My opinion on whether I get credited? I don't really care, I'm just looking to get paid. I don't even watch the majority of what I work on anyways. It was pretty cool for the first few things, seeing my name in the credits, but after that it doesn't really matter. Your name in the credits isn't nearly as important as having your name in cellphones for future work.
This is going to sound a little harsh, but I feel like a bunch of the people who are upset here are people who are in school, or haven't fully entered the working sector yet. Like obviously people hold unique opinions and others in the industry could be upset about this, but even then, I guess I'm cynical because I would assume a lot of those people would be new to the industry.
If I need a reference, I'm going to ask a person I directly worked for. If they don't feel like giving me one, then that's clearly on me. Don't get me wrong sometimes people are jerks, but then I wouldn't go to them anyways. Same as no one is going to watch the credits of something as proof you worked on it. They're going to ask you for a portfolio, or reel, or resume, or whatever. A credit doesn't tell you skill level.
Same as someone here posted that it can be hard to proof you worked on something because the company is difficult to contact. It is undeniable I worked on a TV show, whether I'm credited or not. I have tax records saying that I did, and those tax records will show up on any background check any future employer may run on me. Not that that happens in film that often, it is really a industry based on who you know, and getting them to know you.
Long story short, is people are entitled to their opinions, but if you're going to boycott things, I got news for yeah, you better be willing to boycott essentially every every piece of entertainment that has ever been made.