Loot boxes. In some games, they are more than just cosmetic. Some of us have jobs, some of us have alot of kids, or no kids. Some are rich, some are poor... you all get it. In a game where loot boxes could let those of us with expendable incomes get a tactical advantage on new players, is that cheating or an exploit? It can possibly create an "unfair advantage" to those who come from lower income households. But the developers put them in. So day one, Star Wars Battlefront II. Everyone who unlocked heroes and abilities with hundreds of dollars. Cheaters? Exploiters? Both? Neither? Mic drop? Yes.
It's funny. I dont think people are going to be crying about 'cheating' when people who buy the game in a year or two are TT. You might say, "Oh, well it's still cheating." Even though logically it isnt. It's just people wont care by then because most people declaring this whole cheating nonsense are either a)not entirely correct on the true definition of cheating or b)upset because the people rushing through the game are bragging and showing off online. So ignorant or bitter. But all the people being so negative and bitter right now wont be putting nearly as much effort into complaining by then since... they dont feel personally victimized 2 years later.(lol, it's a game. These type of serious words shouldn't even need to be used. But here we are.) They would've finished the game by then, so they might be crying about something new at that point. Or they matured. Again, it's okay to be upset with people who 'spoil' the fun. But it's the manner in which you carry yourself after that speaks true volumes. We all have a tendency to be selfish. Its just sad that some of us can get so blinded by it that when others participate in the same event, we lash out against them when it feels 'unfair.' All because others dont do it the way 'I' think it should be done. Immaturity. There is really no better word to describe it. Entitled 30 year old crybabies and a majority of preteens have alot more in common than they think.
@satanicangel some cheat codes in games make the game harder on the player. Explain that one. If cheat codes are 100%, black and white cheating, then how do those specific cheat codes make it an 'unfair advantage?' You explain that one and I'll at least agree with you that all 'cheat' codes are in fact cheating, and not exploiting. Also, can you explain to me what the difference between an exploitation and cheating is? Or are you in the camp that they are always the same thing too?
@satanicangel also, I dont care if you think I'm a kid or not. That's childish but nice attempt at triggering me. I'm not new to the internetz as I'm sure you're not either. You dont have to 'attack' (lol, that's such a trigger word these days) outright to have a passive-aggressive, elitist, know-it-all personality. You knew exactly what you were doing. And you know what you're doing now. "Oh no, why you so upset bro? I didnt mean anything by it, I just wanted a civil discussion." Then dont start a conversation with your kitty claws out. Dont say things, knowing exactly how you meant it, and then back down after being confronted. Own up to it. You felt you knew exactly what you were talking about, probably still do, and you responded to someone you thought was just spouting nonsense. Dont BS a BSer
@satanicangel 'cheat' code sounds better than 'exploit' code. Not every instance of using a 'cheat' code is someone cheating. Cheating death... avoid, escape. So that cheat definition is a strawman argument. Has no substance or point to the discussion we are having. No one is using that meaning to cheating here.
And it ultimately comes down to opinion how to play the game. I get it, some games I exploit, some I dont. Some I look up walkthroughs, some I play from start to end with nothing to just experience it. Like FF7 Remake. It depends on my attachment to the game on how much I'll exploit or YouTube on how to farm the most money/exp. Alot of the time I wait until I finish the main story campaign before I dive in and 100%. So I get where people are coming from when they swear off TT and are determined to play the game religiously the 'correct' way. What I dont understand is people's frustration with TT themselves. Some people would go so far to root against them, hoping the developers put in a way to eliminate TT altogether. They'd love to see the 'others' so upset over that. That gets too negative and political for me. Basically Republicans vs Democrats. Or this sports team vs. that sports team. Its idiotic and barbaric to feed off the pain of those you view as the enemy. The gaming community (and the world) has too much of that crap already. And when any game/movie/whatever I deeply care about comes out, the last thing I do is read posts or forums. I get that it's hard and slightly different when you cant exile yourself from news and social media for months on end with AC, but ultimately when you see a 'spoiler' you end up at a crossroads. Get all pissy and vindictive, or get over it. Those are your basic two options. It can still bug the crap out of you. No one likes someone who runs the fun for everyone else. But the hatred that sits and stirs inside some of us is pretty pathetic, am I right?
@satanicangel one last example of how cheating is situational and not the act in itself, just incase you're still not convinced. Obviously, in the Olympics using performance enhancing drugs is cheating. But if they had two Olympics, the normal one and one where the athletes have free reign of whatever to become the best, well its obvious that using steroids in itself isnt cheating. Animal Crossing is that 2nd Olympics, some people are just choosing to 'compete' against the users while staying 'clean.' You can do whatever though really. And how you mentioned Contra, unless you're going for a top score/record, no. Using a 'cheat' code isnt cheating. It's exploiting. If you a)dishonestly stated you got a high score b)unfairly using the Konami code in Contra, then yes I'd agree with you. That is in fact cheating. No one can cheat when there arent losers and winners. Well there are losers... those still crying/complaining.
@satanicangel poke holes in my flawed logic, please. I dare you. How is it a)unfair or b)dishonest? Is it unfair that they want to TT and you just want to play the game the way it should be? How is that unfair? And I swear, if it's about comparing who gets a 'bigger, better' island faster, I'm gonna lose it lol. There's no advantage in my mind, other than bragging rights. Which circles back to comparing yourself to others and what they have that you dont. Please oh please enlighten me on how TT is cheating.
@satanicangel its obvious you think very highly of your intelligence, as do I. Calling my logic flawed. That just means you disagree with my facts of what cheating is. The Konami code is indeed a 'cheat' code, but it's not the definition of cheating. You're sadly blinded by your pride and immaturity, sorry but it's the cold truth. The Konami code is in competitive games, sure. In tournaments, its against regulations. So using it would be cheating. But two friends playing together, both input the code, well it's not technically cheating. No one has an unfair advantage and no one is being dishonest. Some people say, "Oh. Semantics." But I see it as people like you needing a negative label for the other group for having a different approach than you. Lets all face it, calling someone a cheater is much harsher than an exploiter. And we love to harsh on those with different views/opinions. And the 99999 bell thing you speak of, that's an exploit. An exploit can be cheating, but you can also exploit something without cheating. That's what TT is, exploiting certain features in the game and with the switch to play the game in a way other than what was originally intended. Again, not cheating. You're just sour and havent learned to seperate your emotions and opinions from logic and understanding. I'm sure you disagree and have some retort because let's face it, barely anyone on the internet deals with critisms well. But the faster you get over being entitled and all prideful about how your view is so much more superior, the less frustrated you'll find yourself. Oh and btw, I don't use social media much, but if you get spoilers through those that upset you... well you have no one to blame but yourself. You cant control the actions of others. What's more revolting IMO than someone who has to ruin for everyone else is someone who cries like a child about life not being fair. Most people figure that out before they're teenagers, you dont have to keep reminding us. Kids I swear.
@Kushmon you and your friends make a bet to see who can complete their museum first with no time traveling. Someone time travels and finishes before everyone else. That's cheating. Not the time traveling itself, but the act of using a mechanic that was previously agreed upon that wouldn't be used in their friendly contest. That should at least make sense to some of you proclaiming this cheating nonsense.
Definition of cheating..... act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination. Time traveling cant be cheating because it is neither a)dishonest or b)unfair because it gives one person an advantage over others. Most people over 13 will tell you that they TT if they do it. They wont try to be dishonest and make you think they completed their island and museum in only one month. Also, it cant be unfair because anyone and everyone can do it. If you choose not to, ok. If you do, ok. It maybe isnt a game mechanic, but anyone can do it with all the functionality their Switch has built in. It isnt an aim bot, it isnt jail broken, there isnt 1 player with a modded controller... Plus in a game like this, what is the advantage of getting your museum to 100% in less than a week? All of you against TT seem to believe the game wasnt meant to be played with TT
and think it cant be enjoyed completely when TT. Okay so then I'd say this, what is their advantage if you're enjoying it even slightly better than them? Faster growth? Apparently that ruins the overall experience. You'd even get more bang for your buck because you played a $60 game for more than a week. And this isnt a competitive game, so there isnt any "winning" involved. Sounds like time travelers are actually at a disadvantage when it's all said and done. So whats the big deal if TT can get more stuff faster? Again. Whats their actual advantage other than finishing the game faster and putting it up on the shelf to collect dust? If you're upset when others TT, well i think this comes back to the comparing yourself to others, which we all do at times. But at some point when we are growing up, we learn that other kids come from richer/poorer families. Will some get the new cool toy months before us? Sure. Will some never get it. Also sure. But some day you learn to appreciate the ones you have. But then some of us dont. Some of us grow into our 40s still spiteful for other people's progress. We still covet the material things they own and we dont.... Just grow up.
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@Anti-Matter great minds, battling it out for all the glory and spoils imaginable. Epic stuff lol
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
Loot boxes. In some games, they are more than just cosmetic. Some of us have jobs, some of us have alot of kids, or no kids. Some are rich, some are poor... you all get it. In a game where loot boxes could let those of us with expendable incomes get a tactical advantage on new players, is that cheating or an exploit? It can possibly create an "unfair advantage" to those who come from lower income households. But the developers put them in. So day one, Star Wars Battlefront II. Everyone who unlocked heroes and abilities with hundreds of dollars. Cheaters? Exploiters? Both? Neither? Mic drop? Yes.
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
It's funny. I dont think people are going to be crying about 'cheating' when people who buy the game in a year or two are TT. You might say, "Oh, well it's still cheating." Even though logically it isnt. It's just people wont care by then because most people declaring this whole cheating nonsense are either a)not entirely correct on the true definition of cheating or b)upset because the people rushing through the game are bragging and showing off online. So ignorant or bitter. But all the people being so negative and bitter right now wont be putting nearly as much effort into complaining by then since... they dont feel personally victimized 2 years later.(lol, it's a game. These type of serious words shouldn't even need to be used. But here we are.) They would've finished the game by then, so they might be crying about something new at that point. Or they matured. Again, it's okay to be upset with people who 'spoil' the fun. But it's the manner in which you carry yourself after that speaks true volumes. We all have a tendency to be selfish. Its just sad that some of us can get so blinded by it that when others participate in the same event, we lash out against them when it feels 'unfair.' All because others dont do it the way 'I' think it should be done. Immaturity. There is really no better word to describe it. Entitled 30 year old crybabies and a majority of preteens have alot more in common than they think.
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Waiting for the deflection...
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
@satanicangel some cheat codes in games make the game harder on the player. Explain that one. If cheat codes are 100%, black and white cheating, then how do those specific cheat codes make it an 'unfair advantage?' You explain that one and I'll at least agree with you that all 'cheat' codes are in fact cheating, and not exploiting. Also, can you explain to me what the difference between an exploitation and cheating is? Or are you in the camp that they are always the same thing too?
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@satanicangel also, I dont care if you think I'm a kid or not. That's childish but nice attempt at triggering me. I'm not new to the internetz as I'm sure you're not either. You dont have to 'attack' (lol, that's such a trigger word these days) outright to have a passive-aggressive, elitist, know-it-all personality. You knew exactly what you were doing. And you know what you're doing now. "Oh no, why you so upset bro? I didnt mean anything by it, I just wanted a civil discussion." Then dont start a conversation with your kitty claws out. Dont say things, knowing exactly how you meant it, and then back down after being confronted. Own up to it. You felt you knew exactly what you were talking about, probably still do, and you responded to someone you thought was just spouting nonsense. Dont BS a BSer
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
@satanicangel 'cheat' code sounds better than 'exploit' code. Not every instance of using a 'cheat' code is someone cheating. Cheating death... avoid, escape. So that cheat definition is a strawman argument. Has no substance or point to the discussion we are having. No one is using that meaning to cheating here.
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Cheating vs exploitation
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/7gcczc/whats_the_difference_between_exploiting_and/&ved=2ahUKEwiqna6ex-7oAhVQnq0KHdmzCVEQFjAEegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0b75uA18v5anoOfGQv_rDK&cshid=1587095550688
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
And it ultimately comes down to opinion how to play the game. I get it, some games I exploit, some I dont. Some I look up walkthroughs, some I play from start to end with nothing to just experience it. Like FF7 Remake. It depends on my attachment to the game on how much I'll exploit or YouTube on how to farm the most money/exp. Alot of the time I wait until I finish the main story campaign before I dive in and 100%. So I get where people are coming from when they swear off TT and are determined to play the game religiously the 'correct' way. What I dont understand is people's frustration with TT themselves. Some people would go so far to root against them, hoping the developers put in a way to eliminate TT altogether. They'd love to see the 'others' so upset over that. That gets too negative and political for me. Basically Republicans vs Democrats. Or this sports team vs. that sports team. Its idiotic and barbaric to feed off the pain of those you view as the enemy. The gaming community (and the world) has too much of that crap already. And when any game/movie/whatever I deeply care about comes out, the last thing I do is read posts or forums. I get that it's hard and slightly different when you cant exile yourself from news and social media for months on end with AC, but ultimately when you see a 'spoiler' you end up at a crossroads. Get all pissy and vindictive, or get over it. Those are your basic two options. It can still bug the crap out of you. No one likes someone who runs the fun for everyone else. But the hatred that sits and stirs inside some of us is pretty pathetic, am I right?
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
@satanicangel one last example of how cheating is situational and not the act in itself, just incase you're still not convinced. Obviously, in the Olympics using performance enhancing drugs is cheating. But if they had two Olympics, the normal one and one where the athletes have free reign of whatever to become the best, well its obvious that using steroids in itself isnt cheating. Animal Crossing is that 2nd Olympics, some people are just choosing to 'compete' against the users while staying 'clean.' You can do whatever though really. And how you mentioned Contra, unless you're going for a top score/record, no. Using a 'cheat' code isnt cheating. It's exploiting. If you a)dishonestly stated you got a high score b)unfairly using the Konami code in Contra, then yes I'd agree with you. That is in fact cheating. No one can cheat when there arent losers and winners. Well there are losers... those still crying/complaining.
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
@satanicangel poke holes in my flawed logic, please. I dare you. How is it a)unfair or b)dishonest? Is it unfair that they want to TT and you just want to play the game the way it should be? How is that unfair? And I swear, if it's about comparing who gets a 'bigger, better' island faster, I'm gonna lose it lol. There's no advantage in my mind, other than bragging rights. Which circles back to comparing yourself to others and what they have that you dont. Please oh please enlighten me on how TT is cheating.
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
@satanicangel its obvious you think very highly of your intelligence, as do I. Calling my logic flawed. That just means you disagree with my facts of what cheating is. The Konami code is indeed a 'cheat' code, but it's not the definition of cheating. You're sadly blinded by your pride and immaturity, sorry but it's the cold truth. The Konami code is in competitive games, sure. In tournaments, its against regulations. So using it would be cheating. But two friends playing together, both input the code, well it's not technically cheating. No one has an unfair advantage and no one is being dishonest. Some people say, "Oh. Semantics." But I see it as people like you needing a negative label for the other group for having a different approach than you. Lets all face it, calling someone a cheater is much harsher than an exploiter. And we love to harsh on those with different views/opinions. And the 99999 bell thing you speak of, that's an exploit. An exploit can be cheating, but you can also exploit something without cheating. That's what TT is, exploiting certain features in the game and with the switch to play the game in a way other than what was originally intended. Again, not cheating. You're just sour and havent learned to seperate your emotions and opinions from logic and understanding. I'm sure you disagree and have some retort because let's face it, barely anyone on the internet deals with critisms well. But the faster you get over being entitled and all prideful about how your view is so much more superior, the less frustrated you'll find yourself. Oh and btw, I don't use social media much, but if you get spoilers through those that upset you... well you have no one to blame but yourself. You cant control the actions of others. What's more revolting IMO than someone who has to ruin for everyone else is someone who cries like a child about life not being fair. Most people figure that out before they're teenagers, you dont have to keep reminding us. Kids I swear.
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
@Kushmon you and your friends make a bet to see who can complete their museum first with no time traveling. Someone time travels and finishes before everyone else. That's cheating. Not the time traveling itself, but the act of using a mechanic that was previously agreed upon that wouldn't be used in their friendly contest. That should at least make sense to some of you proclaiming this cheating nonsense.
Re: Random: Reggie Tells Fans He Would "Never" Time Travel In Animal Crossing
Definition of cheating..... act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination. Time traveling cant be cheating because it is neither a)dishonest or b)unfair because it gives one person an advantage over others. Most people over 13 will tell you that they TT if they do it. They wont try to be dishonest and make you think they completed their island and museum in only one month. Also, it cant be unfair because anyone and everyone can do it. If you choose not to, ok. If you do, ok. It maybe isnt a game mechanic, but anyone can do it with all the functionality their Switch has built in. It isnt an aim bot, it isnt jail broken, there isnt 1 player with a modded controller... Plus in a game like this, what is the advantage of getting your museum to 100% in less than a week? All of you against TT seem to believe the game wasnt meant to be played with TT
and think it cant be enjoyed completely when TT. Okay so then I'd say this, what is their advantage if you're enjoying it even slightly better than them? Faster growth? Apparently that ruins the overall experience. You'd even get more bang for your buck because you played a $60 game for more than a week. And this isnt a competitive game, so there isnt any "winning" involved. Sounds like time travelers are actually at a disadvantage when it's all said and done. So whats the big deal if TT can get more stuff faster? Again. Whats their actual advantage other than finishing the game faster and putting it up on the shelf to collect dust? If you're upset when others TT, well i think this comes back to the comparing yourself to others, which we all do at times. But at some point when we are growing up, we learn that other kids come from richer/poorer families. Will some get the new cool toy months before us? Sure. Will some never get it. Also sure. But some day you learn to appreciate the ones you have. But then some of us dont. Some of us grow into our 40s still spiteful for other people's progress. We still covet the material things they own and we dont.... Just grow up.