@Richnj I don't speak passively. So no, I wasn't insinuating Nintendo was flawless and infallible at all, nor do they have to be for my point to be valid. Again, I understand why you need it to be the case, but it just simply isn't. I'm sorry.
But versus riding around the circle again with you, let's drill down to the core. We agree that you can't objectively recognize a mistake without hindsight. The best we can do is speculate and maybe even even predict with a fair degree of accuracy, but we can't know for sure. For example, you can speculate that Nintendo's decision to hold back the co-streaming/reaction vids for 40 minutes hurt the community. But until you can see something tangible like the number of views on the E3 trailers and reaction vids aren't numbering in the tens of millions per usual--which they still are, by the way--you can't be certain Nintendo did anything but push some YouTube upload timestamps forward a bit. Either way, it isn't even the real issue I have with those choosing to lambaste Nintendo versus give them the benefit of the doubt. It's actually this next part:
We also agree that whatever hurts the community is bad. So then what is worse for the community than going around spreading negativity about a company who has brought us nearly a half-century of joy and entertainment? One who has defined our childhood and given us a venue through which to connect to one another and find common ground. Heck, Nintendo largely responsible for there being a community to be a part of in the first place. But then speculative pessimists want to complain about every little thing and tear it all to the ground. And worse than that, those same pessimists are also in the community asserting that those like me who choose to look optimistically at companies like Nintendo should shut up and sit down. Well, I disagree. Optimism and positivity IS what is best for any community. Period. Now that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. But there is a HUGE difference between "I don't agree with their decision on this" and "Nintendo is wrong for doing this and totally out of touch with its fanbase."
So sure, I don't know for certain that Nintendo's decision with the co-streaming was a good one any more than you or anyone else know it's a bad one. All I'm pointing out is that if neither of us know, isn't it better to belay the speculative negativity and take the optimistic approach until we know for sure? I think it's a thought worth considering.
@Richnj I understand why you need my argument to be that Nintendo is perfect or infallible. Your whole argument literally hinges on it. Unfortunately for your argument, that was never what I said. Considering you actually quoted me, it seems odd that you still missed that. I'll try to clarify for you.
My actual point sounds something like this: Nintendo has been doing things differently than the rest of the gaming industry for their entire 40+ year history and that history has shown them to be--more often than not--successful in their choices. So to flat out declare Nintendo is wrong for doing something differently is empirically unwise. You might very well be right that their decision to block co-streaming was the wrong choice. But when dealing with proven innovators, there is no way of recognizing a mistake without the benefit of hindsight, which of course we don't have. And given Nintendo's past, it's just as likely that they are seeing something in a way most people haven't thought of yet.
And be careful with your argument, "If Nintendo has made mistakes in the past, then it's safe to assume they can make mistakes again," because the logic can run both ways. it is just as logical to say:
"If Nintendo has made brilliant decisions in the past, then it's safe to assume they can make brilliant decisions again. Therefore, blocking co-streaming can be one of those great decisions, and your argument of 'don't trust Nintendo, they don't know what they are doing' falls apart."
@Richnj I say this as if Nintendo is known for it's ahead-of-the-curve innovation and consistent ability to understand the value of things well before the rest of the industry--or at the very least figure out how to implement these new technologies in a practical way for gaming. Things like mobile gaming, motion controls, interactive rumble, AR, 3D, touchscreen gaming, Nintendo is always in the thick of it. They implemented the D-Pad and A-B controller layout for crying out loud. I'd say they've earned far better than to be written off at the first whiff of disagreement. That's just me, though.
Sure they've made missteps along the way. I mean, wouldn't you if you were blazing the uncut trail for everyone else?
...Nintendo has consistently blown people away with their innovative thinking and creative ability for the last 40+ years. They've created no less than 4 console-selling franchises and are largely considered the gold standard of developers.
...but when people don't agree with Nintendo's decision to make youtube viewers wait an extra 40 minutes to watch Zeltik fake-cry into his camera over a BOTW2 teaser, they assume it's because Nintendo is a bunch of idiots and doesn't understand anything about the gaming landscape. 🤣🤣🤣
...after four decades of blazing the trail for the entire gaming industry, it might be wise to assume Nintendo knows something we don't. 🤷🏼♂️
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Re: Nintendo Asks That You Don't Co-Stream The E3 2021 Nintendo Direct, Thanks Very Much
@Richnj I don't speak passively. So no, I wasn't insinuating Nintendo was flawless and infallible at all, nor do they have to be for my point to be valid. Again, I understand why you need it to be the case, but it just simply isn't. I'm sorry.
But versus riding around the circle again with you, let's drill down to the core. We agree that you can't objectively recognize a mistake without hindsight. The best we can do is speculate and maybe even even predict with a fair degree of accuracy, but we can't know for sure. For example, you can speculate that Nintendo's decision to hold back the co-streaming/reaction vids for 40 minutes hurt the community. But until you can see something tangible like the number of views on the E3 trailers and reaction vids aren't numbering in the tens of millions per usual--which they still are, by the way--you can't be certain Nintendo did anything but push some YouTube upload timestamps forward a bit. Either way, it isn't even the real issue I have with those choosing to lambaste Nintendo versus give them the benefit of the doubt. It's actually this next part:
We also agree that whatever hurts the community is bad. So then what is worse for the community than going around spreading negativity about a company who has brought us nearly a half-century of joy and entertainment? One who has defined our childhood and given us a venue through which to connect to one another and find common ground. Heck, Nintendo largely responsible for there being a community to be a part of in the first place. But then speculative pessimists want to complain about every little thing and tear it all to the ground. And worse than that, those same pessimists are also in the community asserting that those like me who choose to look optimistically at companies like Nintendo should shut up and sit down. Well, I disagree. Optimism and positivity IS what is best for any community. Period. Now that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. But there is a HUGE difference between "I don't agree with their decision on this" and "Nintendo is wrong for doing this and totally out of touch with its fanbase."
So sure, I don't know for certain that Nintendo's decision with the co-streaming was a good one any more than you or anyone else know it's a bad one. All I'm pointing out is that if neither of us know, isn't it better to belay the speculative negativity and take the optimistic approach until we know for sure? I think it's a thought worth considering.
Re: Nintendo Asks That You Don't Co-Stream The E3 2021 Nintendo Direct, Thanks Very Much
@Richnj I understand why you need my argument to be that Nintendo is perfect or infallible. Your whole argument literally hinges on it. Unfortunately for your argument, that was never what I said. Considering you actually quoted me, it seems odd that you still missed that. I'll try to clarify for you.
My actual point sounds something like this: Nintendo has been doing things differently than the rest of the gaming industry for their entire 40+ year history and that history has shown them to be--more often than not--successful in their choices. So to flat out declare Nintendo is wrong for doing something differently is empirically unwise. You might very well be right that their decision to block co-streaming was the wrong choice. But when dealing with proven innovators, there is no way of recognizing a mistake without the benefit of hindsight, which of course we don't have. And given Nintendo's past, it's just as likely that they are seeing something in a way most people haven't thought of yet.
And be careful with your argument, "If Nintendo has made mistakes in the past, then it's safe to assume they can make mistakes again," because the logic can run both ways. it is just as logical to say:
"If Nintendo has made brilliant decisions in the past, then it's safe to assume they can make brilliant decisions again. Therefore, blocking co-streaming can be one of those great decisions, and your argument of 'don't trust Nintendo, they don't know what they are doing' falls apart."
Anyway, hopefully that helps.
Re: Nintendo Asks That You Don't Co-Stream The E3 2021 Nintendo Direct, Thanks Very Much
@Richnj I say this as if Nintendo is known for it's ahead-of-the-curve innovation and consistent ability to understand the value of things well before the rest of the industry--or at the very least figure out how to implement these new technologies in a practical way for gaming. Things like mobile gaming, motion controls, interactive rumble, AR, 3D, touchscreen gaming, Nintendo is always in the thick of it. They implemented the D-Pad and A-B controller layout for crying out loud. I'd say they've earned far better than to be written off at the first whiff of disagreement. That's just me, though.
Sure they've made missteps along the way. I mean, wouldn't you if you were blazing the uncut trail for everyone else?
Re: Nintendo Asks That You Don't Co-Stream The E3 2021 Nintendo Direct, Thanks Very Much
...Nintendo has consistently blown people away with their innovative thinking and creative ability for the last 40+ years. They've created no less than 4 console-selling franchises and are largely considered the gold standard of developers.
...but when people don't agree with Nintendo's decision to make youtube viewers wait an extra 40 minutes to watch Zeltik fake-cry into his camera over a BOTW2 teaser, they assume it's because Nintendo is a bunch of idiots and doesn't understand anything about the gaming landscape. 🤣🤣🤣
...after four decades of blazing the trail for the entire gaming industry, it might be wise to assume Nintendo knows something we don't. 🤷🏼♂️