@kellercl RE2 and 4 are reimaginings. In fact Capcom officially referred to them as reimaginings. They kept the general plot beats, but changed everything else. The puzzles and layout are completely different (you can verify this by comparing side by side), gameplay is obviously different, the script/cutscenes were entirely redone, etc. A guide/walkthrough for the original is completely useless for the remake. To me that is a good sign that it is a reimagining. Very different from Link’s Awakening or Ocarina of Time remake where it is the same game with a graphics overhaul.
Honestly the Final Fantasy 7 remake trilogy is arguably beyond a reimagining. They are a sequel trilogy to the original FF7.
@Converge Uh, you know people have been mocking the Unreal Engine fan remakes for years? There's a reason the whole "Nintendo hire this man" became a meme.
@kellercl RE2, 3, and 4 remakes are all completely different games from the originals. The gameplay, level design, puzzles, cutscenes, dialogue, etc. are completely redone. They used the originals as a base to make a completely new game.
The difference is RE2 and 4 did it right, whereas RE3 did a bad job.
@repsahj Personally I never wanted Nintendo to chase hyper realism. In fact, part of the reason I liked Nintendo was that they avoided the hyper realistic max graphics chasing, and focused more of stylized artstyles.
@ElkinFencer10 Huh? Those are very different types of remakes. Link's Awakening remake is a very faithful 1 to 1 remake. The Resident Evil remakes are full reimaginings that might as well be new entries.
@HalBailman When have I argued that Kiwami 3 is not a rework? I never did. I just argued that it’s a remake. But for the millionth time, remake and rework are not mutually exclusive.
I have no idea where you get the idea that RE3 remake is “clearly superior” to the original. Chopping off a third of the original’s playtime and getting rid of a bunch of iconic areas is literally the exact opposite of being superior. I bet you would still consider the Ocarina of Time remake superior to the original even if they cut out fan favorite dungeons like the Forest and Spirit Temples. Sheesh.
I don’t see an argument for Zero Mission not being a rework. Watch a playthrough of both games back to back, they are entirely different games with very little similarities aside from both playing like 2D Metroid games. Star Fox is not a rework because the gameplay is nearly 1 to 1 with the original Star Fox 64, but with different cutscenes and artstyle.
@HalBailman Kiwami 3 is a remake, and a rework. A rework is a type of remake. All reworks are remakes but not all remakes are reworks. This is not fabricating nonsense. Everyone refers to games like FF7 Remake, Kiwami 3, and the Resident Evil remakes as remakes, despite them also being reworks. Nothing in the definition of remake requires it to be faithful to the original. By this logic, there is no such thing as a movie remake, as they are all reworks. One of the few movie remakes is Psycho 1998, which is a shot for shot remake of the original, and it was criticized for that.
If you refute Kiwami 3 as a remake worse than the original because you don’t count reworks, then you can’t use Zero Mission as an example of a remake better than the original, because it is also a rework.
Of course you’re not going to quote the Wiki page, because you are making it up. Nowhere does it imply that RE3 remake is better than the original. If anything it does the opposite because under reception it says it got “generally favorable reviews”, whereas the wiki page for the original says it got “universal acclaim”.
The “fundamental gameplay is the same” with Zero Mission in that all 2D Metroid games have the same fundamental gameplay. In reality the gameplay of Zero Mission is much closer to Fusion than Metroid 1, and the level design is much closer to Super Metroid than to Metroid 1. For all intents and purposes you can think of Zero Mission as Super Metroid 2 in Fusion’s engine, that just happens to retell the plot of the original game. The story is the only element that is the same as the original, but the stories in 2D Metroid games have always been minimal, nobody plays a 2D Metroid for the story. Zero Mission is an entirely different game from Metroid 1, it’s a rework. Saying otherwise is mental gymnastics. Zero Mission is a much better game than Metroid 1, in the exact same way Super Metroid is a much better game than Metroid 1.
Not sure how an “additional campaign” has to do with anything. The Mario and Luigi remakes have additional campaigns (Bowser’s Minions and Bowser Jr.’s Journal), but those are definitely not reworks, they are shot for shot remakes. Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury has an additional campaigns, and it is a port, not even a remake. Also, if you want to be technical, Zero Mission does have an additional campaigns as the original Metroid 1 is bundled as an unlockable bonus.
@HalBailman I was never arguing that Kiwami 3 is not a rework. It absolutely is. But the problem is your refute to me saying Kiwami 3 is a remake worse than the original is that “Kiwami 3 is not a remake”. Which is false, Kiwami 3 is definitely a remake. A rework is a type of remake. And extreme REMAKE is a remake.
Metroid Zero Mission is absolutely more changed than Kiwami 3 is. The gameplay and level design is entirely different from the original NES Metroid. The only similarity is has with the original is that it is retelling the same event in the story. Otherwise, for all intents and purposes Zero Mission is the fifth 2D Metroid game following Fusion. I don’t know how you could not consider it a rework.
Again, show me the quote/source where the Wiki implies RE3 remake is better than the original. Because it doesn’t, at all. If you can’t show me the exact source I’m just going to assume you’re lying. You claim I have a vendetta against remakes, but it sounds like you have a vendetta against original games. RE3 Remake is the third most disliked mainline Resident Evil game after Resident Evil 5 and 6.
I challenge you to name a video game remake that you actually consider worse than the original. Because I mentioned two, and for one of them you are making stuff up saying it is clearly superior to the original when the consensus couldn’t be further from the truth. And the other you admit is worse than the original, but you give a cop out answer by saying “actually it’s not a remake”.
I’m just quoting your logic when you said Kiwami 3 is a rework but not a remake. It is hypocritical to make that statement but also claim Zero Mission is a remake, when Zero Mission changes more from the original game than Kiwami 3 does.
Personally I consider reworks to be a type of remake. Kiwami 3, the Resident Evil remakes, and Zero Mission all qualify as remakes, but they are also reworks because they change much more than a typical faithful remake. Ocarina remake is heavily implied to be a rework as well.
Again, “extreme REMAKE” literally has the word remake in it. It’s a remake.
You do not know what you’re talking about with RE3. I read the Wiki page and nothing says anything about it being superior to the original aside from the one sentence I previously mentioned, but even that review said it was a disappointment. Please tell me what quote from that page shows that the remake is “clearly superior”. Also, maybe just do some basic searching and you’ll find that almost everyone considers RE3 remake worse than the original. I think the fact that if you go to almost every Internet forum or YouTube comment section and 99% of people say the remake is inferior, clearly shows that the remake is inferior.
@HalBailman Again, saying most are worse does not mean having a vendetta against them. Most video game releases in general suck. Does that mean I have a vendetta against video games? No, you just play the good ones. And being skeptical about Ocarina remake is completely justified because Nintendo has not made a Zelda game that actually plays like a Zelda game in more than a decade.
Where on earth does the Wiki page show that RE3 remake is superior? Let me guess, you are cherry picking the sentence “GameRevolution agreed, calling the game short yet exhilarating, and remarked that it exceeds the original in presentation and storytelling”. But if you click on that GameRevolution review, it says the game was disappointed and the only aspects superior to the original are graphics and story coherence. I also found a Reddit page discussing it and literally every comment said the original is superior except for one that said the remake has better pacing. So yes, saying the remake is better than the original is a hot take along the lines of liking Phantom Menace better than A New Hope.
Yakuza Kiwami 3 is objectively a remake. The Wikipedia page literally says it’s a remake of Yakuza 3. You say the title differentiates it from the original, but that applies it to other remakes as well. The Metroid 1 remake has its own title (Zero Mission), and the Star Fox remake differentiates itself because it’s just called Star Fox instead of Star Fox 64.
You want to call Yakuza Kiwami 3 a rework but not a remake? Completely fine, and that makes sense. But you have to be consistent. If Kiwami 3 is a rework, then the Resident Evil remakes and Metroid Zero Mission are also reworks and not remakes. And yes, Zero Mission didn’t just update the graphics and fix flaws. It has completely different level design and gameplay from the original, it’s a rework.
Not sure how “remake” not being in the title is relevant for the RE remakes. The vast majority of remakes don’t have the word “remake” in the title. And the only one I can think of that does (Final Fantasy 7 Remake) is such an extensive rework of the original that it’s actually a sequel.
@HalBailman Saying that most remakes are worse than the original but there are exceptions is not a “vendetta against remakes”. It’s a known fact that most movie sequels are worse than the originals. But saying so doesn’t mean you have a “vendetta against sequels”.
The wiki page says literally nothing about RE3 remake being superior to the original. Also, RE3 remake didn’t even review that well. On Metacritic it got a 79/100 critic score and a 6.8/10 user score. Meanwhile the original got a 91/100 critic score and 8.7/10 user score. That’s not even close. Of course you’ll find the odd person that says the remake is superior, but that’s like finding the person that says Phantom Menace is better than A New Hope.
Are you seriously saying Kiwami 3 is not a remake because they marketed it as an “extreme remake”? Come on. You complain about people insulting your intelligence, but that’s because you are either being extremely dense here or you’re straight up trolling. “Extreme remake” literally has the word remake in it. It’s a remake.
The narrative in the new Star Fox remake is not 99.9% the same. The gameplay is, but the script has been completely rewritten. Also, the Resident Evil remakes and Metroid Zero Mission change much more than Kiwami 3 does, both from a gameplay standpoint and story standpoint. Calling Kiwami 3 a rework but still labelling these other games remakes makes no sense. Capcom even officially labeled the Resident Evil remakes as “reimaginings”. And RE3 Remake has tons of cut content.
@HalBailman I said most remakes are worse than the original but there are exceptions. Not sure what’s so complicated about that.
Yeah you definitely don’t know what you’re talking about with RE3 and Kiwami 3. The RE3 remake is near universally considered much worse than the original, and it is notorious for cutting out like half the original game. If you actually consider RE3 Remake superior to the original then you have an extreme hot take.
In what world is Yakuza Kiwami 3 not a remake? If narrative changes disqualify it from being a remake, then Star Fox is not a remake either. Certainly none of the Resident Evil remakes would qualify, and neither would Zero Mission. If cut content disqualifies a game from being a remake, then very few modern remakes actually exist.
@HalBailman I never said all remakes are worse. I said MOST remakes are worse. Key difference. There are remakes I consider to be almost objectively better games than the originals (Resident Evil 1, Metroid Zero Mission, and Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver). But are these replacements for the original games? No.
“Modern Audience” is defined by the state of most mainstream/popular AAA games nowadays, not by me. And yes, “modern tastes” are often known to be games focused on being cinematic experiences above all else with minimal difficulty/resistance, and constant hints/handholding from chatty NPCs. Metroid Prime 4 for example is an attempt to alter the Metroid series to cater to “modern tastes”.
Again, I saw that Reddit thread and you posted the comments saying the remake is better but ignored the comments saying 64 is better. That is the definition of cherry picking.
@HalBailman “Modern tastes” often want to be handheld with constant quest markers, thus removing all thought, as well as having pretty much all difficulty removed. “Modern tastes” are also obsessed with games like Fortnite. “Modern tastes” is not exactly a good thing.
If you think all remakes are superior then you are being ignorant. There are plenty of remakes are are considered to be objectively far worse than the originals. Resident Evil 3, Yakuza Kiwami 3, just to name a few.
Of course if I point out something that goes against your narrative it’s because of “review bombing”. I also like how you cherry pick out the comments saying the remake is superior. On Reddit threads it seems to be about 50/50.
Hmm… only 63% voted for the Switch 2 version. Seems like it is more than a few clowns, unless you are saying 37% of people are clowns. Seems like there is dispute. And the votes for the Switch 2 version are definitely inflated on this poll considering it is the Switch 2 board.
Emulation is the original experience, but with enhancements. Going back to the movie example, emulators/PC ports are the equivalent of movie HD remasters. Remakes are the equivalent of movie remakes that were completely refilmed and have all new actors. The former is still the same movie as the original, but updated. The latter is a completely different movie but inspired by the old one.
@HalBailman “A slur is biased language that is offensive toward a person or group based on identity, such as race or ethnicity, gender, sexuality, disability, or class.” Yeah, no matter how you cut it, “closed minded” is nowhere close to a slur. It’s a mild insult sure, but it’s justified because it is just an observation. Just like it is fine to call someone convicted for murder a murder. And it is fine to call people that use actual slurs a hateful bigot. The only one randomly insulting people is you.
And it is wrong that “there is no dispute” about the Star Fox remake. Just go look at a discussion forum (on Reddit or elsewhere) about the Star Fox remake. There seems to be quite a bit of dispute.
Why do I have little faith in the Zelda team? I’ll tell you why, it’s not because I’m a hater. Many Zelda fans (including myself) really dislike the new open world direction of the series. The last Zelda game I actually liked was A Link Between Worlds back in 2013 (which is 13 years ago). And the last Zelda that was close to masterpiece level was Twilight Princess in 2006 (which is 20 years ago). And Aonuma (the head of the Zelda team) is saying in interviews that he doesn’t understand why people like the old style Zelda games. Losing faith in the Zelda team is justified. And as for the recent output of Nintendo games in general? Well, Donkey Kong Bananza is mid. Metroid Prime 4 is terrible. Star Fox is good but it’s ultimately just Star Fox 64 but with worse dialogue.
@HalBailman Actually there are globally more PC gamers than there are console gamers.
Again, you do not know what a slur is. Slurs are deeply offensive words that were historically targeted against oppressed groups. Such as the N word. I’d like to know what kind of person you are if you think “closed minded” or “a dislike of other people’s passions” is anything remotely close to a slur. A mild insult, sure, but not a slur.
Zero Mission is effectively just as much of a new game as Super Metroid is. It’s only a remake by technicality because it’s retelling the same story as the original Metroid (which barely had any dialogue/story). For all practical reasons it’s a completely different game.
Saying “there’s no dispute” is dumb. Quite a big part of the Star Fox fanbase dislikes the new voice acting and dialogue.
I’m not sure why you’re so confident in this Ocarina of Time remake in the first place. Remember, the modern Zelda team said they don’t understand why people like old Zelda and they said open world is superior. Sorry, but if they make this OoT remake open world like BotW it’ll be boring.
@HalBailman Statistically far more people have a PC than a game console. Pretty sure most people nowadays need a laptop for school or work.
Anyway, you seem to differentiate remakes from “different games”. But Zero Mission is a different game from the original Metroid. In fact, Zero Mission is just as much of a different game from Metroid 1 as Super Metroid is. The only thing that’s the same is the story, which is extremely minimal in 2D Metroid games (aside from maybe Fusion). Star Fox remake is much more faithful, but it still has a completely different script from the original, so again, it’s more of a different game.
You do not know what slurs are. It’s absolutely insane that you think calling someone “closed minded” is in anyway remotely comparable to calling someone the N word.
Also, you say you never used “objectively” when comes to Star Fox, but in your previous comment you literally said “there’s no dispute about it”.
P.S. I like how you sound just like Nintendo’s marketing team by using the word “reborn” about the Ocarina of Time remake.
@HalBailman What are you talking about “buy a PC”. Pretty sure most people have a computer or laptop. You don’t need a fancy PC to emulate up to the PS2/Gamecube era. And it’s not even glitchy.
A Link to the Past is better than Zelda 1 in pretty much every way. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t still worth playing Zelda 1 to experience the beginning of the series. The same thing applies to playing Super Mario Bros. 1 even though Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World are better. Or playing Metroid 1 even though Super Metroid and Zero Mission is better.
And I honestly don’t get this “early 3D games aged terribly thing”. The N64/PS1 look has a charm to it that is pretty much its own artstyle at this point, similar to pixel art. I was playing Banjo Kazooie the other day, and my mom (who doesn’t play games) said the graphics look good for being a 90s game.
@charliecarrot Final Fantasy 7 Remake was a mixed bag. The extra time spent with the characters and the immersion is excellent, but most of the big story changes are just ick, Rebirth goes full blown Ubisoft formula, and it feels like in general the developers kind of missed the point of the original Final Fantasy 7.
@NintendoWife It probably is the main draw of the service. But it’s also a requirement to play Online Multiplayer in Switch/Switch 2 games. Including the Star Fox remake. Ironic that HalBailman was talking about it not being worth it to pay for the subscription to play Star Fox 64, but that same subscription is required to fully experience all the content in the remake.
Either way, it is pointless to worry about legality when it comes to emulating old games. Now if we were talking about emulating modern Switch/Switch 2 games without paying for them, then yes that is stealing. But when emulating old games from discontinued consoles nobody is being robbed of anything, unless you’re talking about not paying hundreds of dollars for a used copy from some guy on eBay.
@NintendoWife The emulation of their own is just bundled with the Nintendo Switch Online subscription, so that hardly counts. They’re not making money off of Ocarina of Time, they’re making money off of Nintendo Online.
And the remake counts as a completely different game, just like something like Tears of the Kingdom.
@MontyCircus Except the Ocarina of Time remake will be mostly a completely different game from the original, so not really. Did the Final Fantasy 7 remake or Resident Evil 2 remake get more people to play Final Fantasy 7 or Resident Evil 2? No, it got more people to play Final Fantasy 7 Remake or Resident Evil 2 Remake.
@HalBailman N64 emulation doesn’t require an expensive. If you have any computer (assuming you do since you’re posting on the internet) it can run N64 emulation.
Sorry but saying playing the remakes is a substitute for playing the original is extremely dumb. Especially something like Zero Mission which is a completely different game. Would you say playing A Link to the Past is a substitute for playing Zelda 1? Because Zero Mission is as much a different game from Metroid 1 as A Link to the Past is from Zelda 1. Is watching one of the remakes of Charlie and the Chocolate factory a substitute for watching the original? Of course not.
Lol of course I don't mean to literally buy an N64. Have you heard of something called emulators? Pretty sure I mentioned them in my other comment. Of course, ideally Nintendo would dump all of the games on their old consoles on the Switch eshop, but obviously that isn't happening.
Who would port an N64 game to the Switch 2? Faithful remasters/ports of old game on modern consoles are very common. They released a remastered collection of the PS1 Tomb Raider games on modern consoles that are fundamentally unchanged from the originals. And it ended up being a big success.
Even though Zero Mission is a far better game than the original Metroid it is still not a substitute. They are pretty much completely different games. Zero Mission doesn't replace the original Metroid any more than A Link to the Past replaces Zelda 1.
By bringing up Metroid Prime 4 I meant that modern graphics and technology doesn't make a game better. Metroid Prime 4 is vastly inferior to its precessors even though it is by far the most technologically impressive. Similarly, the Star Fox remake is not better than Star Fox 64 just because it is super impressive technology-wise.
@HalBailman I never meant anything about the apps. I meant N64 games. The apps are not the only way to play N64 games.
The fact that remakes are not faithful is exactly why they are not substitutes for the original experience. They are different experiences that are similar to the old ones (or in the case of FF7 or Resident Evil, not similar at all). The problem is you are saying to play the remake instead of the N64 games, as if it is a replacement.
Metroid Zero Mission is much better than the original game, but that’s because the original Metroid on NES is not that great. Meanwhile, Ocarina of Time is still fantastic. But shinier and flashier graphics does not mean it is better. Look how Metroid Prime 4 ended up turning out, despite it because very graphically and technologically impressive.
@HalBailman I play N64 plenty often, and I have not experienced what are describing, at all. If you expect everything to have the latest cutting edge graphics, and use terms like “ray-tracing” or numbers and stuff, then sure. But there is a charm in the N64 look. Now I definitely don’t like the subscription model. So would I recommend playing them on NSO? Probably not, I’d recommend emulation instead. Or in the case of Ocarina of Time, the excellent Ship of Harkinian port.
Also, Star Fox remake is not a fully faithful remake to the original. The gameplay is the same, but they completely rewrote the script and redid the voices.
@NintendoWife I completely agree with the new games not being as good. The last Zelda game I really liked was A Link Between Worlds (which came out in 2013). But isn’t there a high chance of Nintendo using the OoT remake to make it play more like the new ones? Unless of course it is a 1-to-1 remake, but the teaser they showed implied more of a reimagining.
For a classic Zelda fix it’s definitely worth checking out some Ocarina of Time romhacks. The upcoming Zelda Indigo Romhack looks amazing and like it could have been a game Nintendo released back in the day.
@NintendoWife Of course remakes are different as you said, that’s the point. But you phrased as a way to “get younger generations into the game”, which remakes don’t really do as it makes significant changes. It’s like saying the Disney Live Action remakes gets kids into the old classic Disney cartoons. It does not. And some remakes like Final Fantasy 7 and Resident Evil 2/3/4 are quite literally completely different games just as much as a sequel is.
A better example of what you’re describing is the Ship of Harkinian PC port. It’s the same classic Ocarina of Time, but with quality of life improvements and improvements to the technical aspects of the original.
P.S as for Link’s Awakening “everything they added feels right and official”, eh that Dampe dungeon builder was rough. The camera shop was better.
Remasters and remakes are different. What described with movies (updating the technological aspects but keeping the film the same) is a remaster. I think game remasters are great, like the Tomb Raider remastered collection.
Remakes on the other hand fundamentally alter the original experience. Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Resident Evil 2 Remake are both great (well at least Resident Evil is, I’m not much of a fan of the changes they made to FF7R) but they are fundamentally completely different games from the originals. If you have only played the remakes, you have not played FF7 or RE2 respectively.
Even for more faithful remakes like Link’s Awakening it is still fundamentally not really the same experience as the original, as the new artstyle, gameplay/engine changes, etc. give it a very different feel.
What you said about public consciousness is part of the issues I have with ground up remakes. The worst outcome of the OoT remake is if they make massive changes to the game that completely change the original experience, and now all of a sudden this new game is the “Ocarina of Time” in a public consciousness. In many ways it is a 1984-esque rewriting of history. The exact opposite of game preservation.
@NintendoWife The TikTok kids wouldn’t boot up OoT remake either, or any modern single player game that is more niche than stuff like GTA. Unless of course they do stuff to the OoT remake to draw in Fortnite players or TikTok users, but that would be awful. The people that are actually interested in good games would get into them fine (at school/college I’ve heard more kids talk about Final Fantasy 4,
7, 9, etc. than 15 or 16).
Actually there are cases of bad/mediocre games being remade to try again. Look at Yooka Replaylee. Final Fantasy 2 on the NES is plagued with many issues, but it’s various rereleases/remakes fixed almost all of them.
More technology doesn’t equal better game. Those Unreal Engine fan remakes for example are not an improvement on the original games.
There’s a reason classic movies like The Godfather or The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly aren’t redone today to appeal to Marvel kids for example.
@NintendoWife Well I’m 22 (so close enough to 18), and I’d absolutely much rather play N64 classics like Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask, Banjo Kazooie, etc. over the vast majority of modern games.
No, redoing classic games to appeal to Fortnite and TikTok addicted kids is not a good thing. Whatever this Ocarina of Time remake ends up being like, it will not be a substitute for playing the original.
@NintendoWife But remakes of mediocre or bad games could actually be improved to make them good games. Fantastic games don’t have much to improve and don’t need a remake.
@Zuljaras First of all Diablo 2 and Oblivion are still remasters, not remakes.
I didn’t say most remakes are bad games, I said most are inferior to the originals. Link’s Awakening remake is a great game because it is Link’s Awakening, but it is inferior to Link’s Awakening DX (the GBC version), and the plastic toy artstyle they went with doesn’t do the original story justice.
@ParrakerriRush But when you remake them from the ground up, they are hardly the same as the original experience anymore. Ports and remasters are better for introducing people to classic games.
@springer17 You can blame that on the modern games industry not caring about preservation at all. Game companies should make all games ever made available on modern platforms, just like is done with movies and books.
The fact the game industry could care less about this is why emulation is so important.
@Kienda Why don't you have your kids play Ocarina of Time for the first time with the original (or Ship of Harkinian), instead of the new remake that probably won't be as good.
@ghostsoundjosh Altering the game to appeal to the "modern audience" is exactly why remakes are worse than remasters or ports. Not every game needs to be open world.
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Re: Reaction: The Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Packs Insane Levels Of Detail, And It's Growing On Us
@kellercl RE2 and 4 are reimaginings. In fact Capcom officially referred to them as reimaginings. They kept the general plot beats, but changed everything else. The puzzles and layout are completely different (you can verify this by comparing side by side), gameplay is obviously different, the script/cutscenes were entirely redone, etc. A guide/walkthrough for the original is completely useless for the remake. To me that is a good sign that it is a reimagining. Very different from Link’s Awakening or Ocarina of Time remake where it is the same game with a graphics overhaul.
Honestly the Final Fantasy 7 remake trilogy is arguably beyond a reimagining. They are a sequel trilogy to the original FF7.
Re: Reaction: The Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Packs Insane Levels Of Detail, And It's Growing On Us
@Converge Uh, you know people have been mocking the Unreal Engine fan remakes for years? There's a reason the whole "Nintendo hire this man" became a meme.
Re: Reaction: The Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Packs Insane Levels Of Detail, And It's Growing On Us
@kellercl RE2, 3, and 4 remakes are all completely different games from the originals. The gameplay, level design, puzzles, cutscenes, dialogue, etc. are completely redone. They used the originals as a base to make a completely new game.
The difference is RE2 and 4 did it right, whereas RE3 did a bad job.
Re: Reaction: The Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Packs Insane Levels Of Detail, And It's Growing On Us
@repsahj OoT was not realistic for its time. Games like DOOM, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, etc. were realistic. OoT always had a more cartoony look.
Re: Reaction: The Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Packs Insane Levels Of Detail, And It's Growing On Us
@repsahj Personally I never wanted Nintendo to chase hyper realism. In fact, part of the reason I liked Nintendo was that they avoided the hyper realistic max graphics chasing, and focused more of stylized artstyles.
Re: Reaction: The Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Remake Packs Insane Levels Of Detail, And It's Growing On Us
@ElkinFencer10 Huh? Those are very different types of remakes. Link's Awakening remake is a very faithful 1 to 1 remake. The Resident Evil remakes are full reimaginings that might as well be new entries.
Re: Shigeru Miyamoto Defends Nintendo's Production Of Remakes
@HalBailman When have I argued that Kiwami 3 is not a rework? I never did. I just argued that it’s a remake. But for the millionth time, remake and rework are not mutually exclusive.
I have no idea where you get the idea that RE3 remake is “clearly superior” to the original. Chopping off a third of the original’s playtime and getting rid of a bunch of iconic areas is literally the exact opposite of being superior. I bet you would still consider the Ocarina of Time remake superior to the original even if they cut out fan favorite dungeons like the Forest and Spirit Temples. Sheesh.
I don’t see an argument for Zero Mission not being a rework. Watch a playthrough of both games back to back, they are entirely different games with very little similarities aside from both playing like 2D Metroid games. Star Fox is not a rework because the gameplay is nearly 1 to 1 with the original Star Fox 64, but with different cutscenes and artstyle.
Re: Rayman Legends Retold Wins Best Switch 2 Game Award At Gamescom 2026
Megaman should have won rather than this completely pointless remake
Re: Shigeru Miyamoto Defends Nintendo's Production Of Remakes
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Re: Shigeru Miyamoto Defends Nintendo's Production Of Remakes
@HalBailman Kiwami 3 is a remake, and a rework. A rework is a type of remake. All reworks are remakes but not all remakes are reworks. This is not fabricating nonsense. Everyone refers to games like FF7 Remake, Kiwami 3, and the Resident Evil remakes as remakes, despite them also being reworks. Nothing in the definition of remake requires it to be faithful to the original. By this logic, there is no such thing as a movie remake, as they are all reworks. One of the few movie remakes is Psycho 1998, which is a shot for shot remake of the original, and it was criticized for that.
If you refute Kiwami 3 as a remake worse than the original because you don’t count reworks, then you can’t use Zero Mission as an example of a remake better than the original, because it is also a rework.
Of course you’re not going to quote the Wiki page, because you are making it up. Nowhere does it imply that RE3 remake is better than the original. If anything it does the opposite because under reception it says it got “generally favorable reviews”, whereas the wiki page for the original says it got “universal acclaim”.
The “fundamental gameplay is the same” with Zero Mission in that all 2D Metroid games have the same fundamental gameplay. In reality the gameplay of Zero Mission is much closer to Fusion than Metroid 1, and the level design is much closer to Super Metroid than to Metroid 1. For all intents and purposes you can think of Zero Mission as Super Metroid 2 in Fusion’s engine, that just happens to retell the plot of the original game. The story is the only element that is the same as the original, but the stories in 2D Metroid games have always been minimal, nobody plays a 2D Metroid for the story. Zero Mission is an entirely different game from Metroid 1, it’s a rework. Saying otherwise is mental gymnastics. Zero Mission is a much better game than Metroid 1, in the exact same way Super Metroid is a much better game than Metroid 1.
Not sure how an “additional campaign” has to do with anything. The Mario and Luigi remakes have additional campaigns (Bowser’s Minions and Bowser Jr.’s Journal), but those are definitely not reworks, they are shot for shot remakes. Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury has an additional campaigns, and it is a port, not even a remake. Also, if you want to be technical, Zero Mission does have an additional campaigns as the original Metroid 1 is bundled as an unlockable bonus.
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@HalBailman I was never arguing that Kiwami 3 is not a rework. It absolutely is. But the problem is your refute to me saying Kiwami 3 is a remake worse than the original is that “Kiwami 3 is not a remake”. Which is false, Kiwami 3 is definitely a remake. A rework is a type of remake. And extreme REMAKE is a remake.
Metroid Zero Mission is absolutely more changed than Kiwami 3 is. The gameplay and level design is entirely different from the original NES Metroid. The only similarity is has with the original is that it is retelling the same event in the story. Otherwise, for all intents and purposes Zero Mission is the fifth 2D Metroid game following Fusion. I don’t know how you could not consider it a rework.
Again, show me the quote/source where the Wiki implies RE3 remake is better than the original. Because it doesn’t, at all. If you can’t show me the exact source I’m just going to assume you’re lying. You claim I have a vendetta against remakes, but it sounds like you have a vendetta against original games. RE3 Remake is the third most disliked mainline Resident Evil game after Resident Evil 5 and 6.
I challenge you to name a video game remake that you actually consider worse than the original. Because I mentioned two, and for one of them you are making stuff up saying it is clearly superior to the original when the consensus couldn’t be further from the truth. And the other you admit is worse than the original, but you give a cop out answer by saying “actually it’s not a remake”.
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I’m just quoting your logic when you said Kiwami 3 is a rework but not a remake. It is hypocritical to make that statement but also claim Zero Mission is a remake, when Zero Mission changes more from the original game than Kiwami 3 does.
Personally I consider reworks to be a type of remake. Kiwami 3, the Resident Evil remakes, and Zero Mission all qualify as remakes, but they are also reworks because they change much more than a typical faithful remake. Ocarina remake is heavily implied to be a rework as well.
Again, “extreme REMAKE” literally has the word remake in it. It’s a remake.
You do not know what you’re talking about with RE3. I read the Wiki page and nothing says anything about it being superior to the original aside from the one sentence I previously mentioned, but even that review said it was a disappointment. Please tell me what quote from that page shows that the remake is “clearly superior”. Also, maybe just do some basic searching and you’ll find that almost everyone considers RE3 remake worse than the original. I think the fact that if you go to almost every Internet forum or YouTube comment section and 99% of people say the remake is inferior, clearly shows that the remake is inferior.
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@HalBailman Again, saying most are worse does not mean having a vendetta against them. Most video game releases in general suck. Does that mean I have a vendetta against video games? No, you just play the good ones. And being skeptical about Ocarina remake is completely justified because Nintendo has not made a Zelda game that actually plays like a Zelda game in more than a decade.
Where on earth does the Wiki page show that RE3 remake is superior? Let me guess, you are cherry picking the sentence “GameRevolution agreed, calling the game short yet exhilarating, and remarked that it exceeds the original in presentation and storytelling”. But if you click on that GameRevolution review, it says the game was disappointed and the only aspects superior to the original are graphics and story coherence. I also found a Reddit page discussing it and literally every comment said the original is superior except for one that said the remake has better pacing. So yes, saying the remake is better than the original is a hot take along the lines of liking Phantom Menace better than A New Hope.
Yakuza Kiwami 3 is objectively a remake. The Wikipedia page literally says it’s a remake of Yakuza 3. You say the title differentiates it from the original, but that applies it to other remakes as well. The Metroid 1 remake has its own title (Zero Mission), and the Star Fox remake differentiates itself because it’s just called Star Fox instead of Star Fox 64.
You want to call Yakuza Kiwami 3 a rework but not a remake? Completely fine, and that makes sense. But you have to be consistent. If Kiwami 3 is a rework, then the Resident Evil remakes and Metroid Zero Mission are also reworks and not remakes. And yes, Zero Mission didn’t just update the graphics and fix flaws. It has completely different level design and gameplay from the original, it’s a rework.
Not sure how “remake” not being in the title is relevant for the RE remakes. The vast majority of remakes don’t have the word “remake” in the title. And the only one I can think of that does (Final Fantasy 7 Remake) is such an extensive rework of the original that it’s actually a sequel.
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@HalBailman Saying that most remakes are worse than the original but there are exceptions is not a “vendetta against remakes”. It’s a known fact that most movie sequels are worse than the originals. But saying so doesn’t mean you have a “vendetta against sequels”.
The wiki page says literally nothing about RE3 remake being superior to the original. Also, RE3 remake didn’t even review that well. On Metacritic it got a 79/100 critic score and a 6.8/10 user score. Meanwhile the original got a 91/100 critic score and 8.7/10 user score. That’s not even close. Of course you’ll find the odd person that says the remake is superior, but that’s like finding the person that says Phantom Menace is better than A New Hope.
Are you seriously saying Kiwami 3 is not a remake because they marketed it as an “extreme remake”? Come on. You complain about people insulting your intelligence, but that’s because you are either being extremely dense here or you’re straight up trolling. “Extreme remake” literally has the word remake in it. It’s a remake.
The narrative in the new Star Fox remake is not 99.9% the same. The gameplay is, but the script has been completely rewritten. Also, the Resident Evil remakes and Metroid Zero Mission change much more than Kiwami 3 does, both from a gameplay standpoint and story standpoint. Calling Kiwami 3 a rework but still labelling these other games remakes makes no sense. Capcom even officially labeled the Resident Evil remakes as “reimaginings”. And RE3 Remake has tons of cut content.
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@VirtualVisage87 The original reveals nothing. I highly doubt this will be a 1 to 1 remake.
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@dazzleshell The preorders opening was debunked by Nate the Hate himself by the way
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@HalBailman I said most remakes are worse than the original but there are exceptions. Not sure what’s so complicated about that.
Yeah you definitely don’t know what you’re talking about with RE3 and Kiwami 3. The RE3 remake is near universally considered much worse than the original, and it is notorious for cutting out like half the original game. If you actually consider RE3 Remake superior to the original then you have an extreme hot take.
In what world is Yakuza Kiwami 3 not a remake? If narrative changes disqualify it from being a remake, then Star Fox is not a remake either. Certainly none of the Resident Evil remakes would qualify, and neither would Zero Mission. If cut content disqualifies a game from being a remake, then very few modern remakes actually exist.
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@HalBailman I never said all remakes are worse. I said MOST remakes are worse. Key difference. There are remakes I consider to be almost objectively better games than the originals (Resident Evil 1, Metroid Zero Mission, and Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver). But are these replacements for the original games? No.
“Modern Audience” is defined by the state of most mainstream/popular AAA games nowadays, not by me. And yes, “modern tastes” are often known to be games focused on being cinematic experiences above all else with minimal difficulty/resistance, and constant hints/handholding from chatty NPCs. Metroid Prime 4 for example is an attempt to alter the Metroid series to cater to “modern tastes”.
Again, I saw that Reddit thread and you posted the comments saying the remake is better but ignored the comments saying 64 is better. That is the definition of cherry picking.
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@HalBailman “Modern tastes” often want to be handheld with constant quest markers, thus removing all thought, as well as having pretty much all difficulty removed. “Modern tastes” are also obsessed with games like Fortnite. “Modern tastes” is not exactly a good thing.
If you think all remakes are superior then you are being ignorant. There are plenty of remakes are are considered to be objectively far worse than the originals. Resident Evil 3, Yakuza Kiwami 3, just to name a few.
Of course if I point out something that goes against your narrative it’s because of “review bombing”. I also like how you cherry pick out the comments saying the remake is superior. On Reddit threads it seems to be about 50/50.
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@HalBailman I did not fabricate that definition of slur, it is an official definition from the Internet.
Anyway, here is a poll asking what the best version of Star Fox 64 is: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/507478-nintendo-switch-2/81173373.
Hmm… only 63% voted for the Switch 2 version. Seems like it is more than a few clowns, unless you are saying 37% of people are clowns. Seems like there is dispute. And the votes for the Switch 2 version are definitely inflated on this poll considering it is the Switch 2 board.
Emulation is the original experience, but with enhancements. Going back to the movie example, emulators/PC ports are the equivalent of movie HD remasters. Remakes are the equivalent of movie remakes that were completely refilmed and have all new actors. The former is still the same movie as the original, but updated. The latter is a completely different movie but inspired by the old one.
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@HalBailman “A slur is biased language that is offensive toward a person or group based on identity, such as race or ethnicity, gender, sexuality, disability, or class.” Yeah, no matter how you cut it, “closed minded” is nowhere close to a slur. It’s a mild insult sure, but it’s justified because it is just an observation. Just like it is fine to call someone convicted for murder a murder. And it is fine to call people that use actual slurs a hateful bigot. The only one randomly insulting people is you.
And it is wrong that “there is no dispute” about the Star Fox remake. Just go look at a discussion forum (on Reddit or elsewhere) about the Star Fox remake. There seems to be quite a bit of dispute.
Why do I have little faith in the Zelda team? I’ll tell you why, it’s not because I’m a hater. Many Zelda fans (including myself) really dislike the new open world direction of the series. The last Zelda game I actually liked was A Link Between Worlds back in 2013 (which is 13 years ago). And the last Zelda that was close to masterpiece level was Twilight Princess in 2006 (which is 20 years ago). And Aonuma (the head of the Zelda team) is saying in interviews that he doesn’t understand why people like the old style Zelda games. Losing faith in the Zelda team is justified. And as for the recent output of Nintendo games in general? Well, Donkey Kong Bananza is mid. Metroid Prime 4 is terrible. Star Fox is good but it’s ultimately just Star Fox 64 but with worse dialogue.
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@HalBailman Actually there are globally more PC gamers than there are console gamers.
Again, you do not know what a slur is. Slurs are deeply offensive words that were historically targeted against oppressed groups. Such as the N word. I’d like to know what kind of person you are if you think “closed minded” or “a dislike of other people’s passions” is anything remotely close to a slur. A mild insult, sure, but not a slur.
Zero Mission is effectively just as much of a new game as Super Metroid is. It’s only a remake by technicality because it’s retelling the same story as the original Metroid (which barely had any dialogue/story). For all practical reasons it’s a completely different game.
Saying “there’s no dispute” is dumb. Quite a big part of the Star Fox fanbase dislikes the new voice acting and dialogue.
I’m not sure why you’re so confident in this Ocarina of Time remake in the first place. Remember, the modern Zelda team said they don’t understand why people like old Zelda and they said open world is superior. Sorry, but if they make this OoT remake open world like BotW it’ll be boring.
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@HalBailman Statistically far more people have a PC than a game console. Pretty sure most people nowadays need a laptop for school or work.
Anyway, you seem to differentiate remakes from “different games”. But Zero Mission is a different game from the original Metroid. In fact, Zero Mission is just as much of a different game from Metroid 1 as Super Metroid is. The only thing that’s the same is the story, which is extremely minimal in 2D Metroid games (aside from maybe Fusion). Star Fox remake is much more faithful, but it still has a completely different script from the original, so again, it’s more of a different game.
You do not know what slurs are. It’s absolutely insane that you think calling someone “closed minded” is in anyway remotely comparable to calling someone the N word.
Also, you say you never used “objectively” when comes to Star Fox, but in your previous comment you literally said “there’s no dispute about it”.
P.S. I like how you sound just like Nintendo’s marketing team by using the word “reborn” about the Ocarina of Time remake.
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@HalBailman What are you talking about “buy a PC”. Pretty sure most people have a computer or laptop. You don’t need a fancy PC to emulate up to the PS2/Gamecube era. And it’s not even glitchy.
A Link to the Past is better than Zelda 1 in pretty much every way. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t still worth playing Zelda 1 to experience the beginning of the series. The same thing applies to playing Super Mario Bros. 1 even though Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World are better. Or playing Metroid 1 even though Super Metroid and Zero Mission is better.
And I honestly don’t get this “early 3D games aged terribly thing”. The N64/PS1 look has a charm to it that is pretty much its own artstyle at this point, similar to pixel art. I was playing Banjo Kazooie the other day, and my mom (who doesn’t play games) said the graphics look good for being a 90s game.
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@swedetrap PS is just as terrible when it comes to backwards compatibility.
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@charliecarrot Final Fantasy 7 Remake was a mixed bag. The extra time spent with the characters and the immersion is excellent, but most of the big story changes are just ick, Rebirth goes full blown Ubisoft formula, and it feels like in general the developers kind of missed the point of the original Final Fantasy 7.
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@NintendoWife It probably is the main draw of the service. But it’s also a requirement to play Online Multiplayer in Switch/Switch 2 games. Including the Star Fox remake. Ironic that HalBailman was talking about it not being worth it to pay for the subscription to play Star Fox 64, but that same subscription is required to fully experience all the content in the remake.
Either way, it is pointless to worry about legality when it comes to emulating old games. Now if we were talking about emulating modern Switch/Switch 2 games without paying for them, then yes that is stealing. But when emulating old games from discontinued consoles nobody is being robbed of anything, unless you’re talking about not paying hundreds of dollars for a used copy from some guy on eBay.
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@NintendoWife The emulation of their own is just bundled with the Nintendo Switch Online subscription, so that hardly counts. They’re not making money off of Ocarina of Time, they’re making money off of Nintendo Online.
And the remake counts as a completely different game, just like something like Tears of the Kingdom.
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@NintendoWife legally? We’re talking about a 30 year old game here that the developers have long stopped making money off of, wink wink.
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@NintendoWife Pretty sure any controllers work. Personally I used PS3 controllers since I have a bunch of those.
Also I’m not sure why you think jailbreaking or modding consoles is necessary.
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@MontyCircus Except the Ocarina of Time remake will be mostly a completely different game from the original, so not really. Did the Final Fantasy 7 remake or Resident Evil 2 remake get more people to play Final Fantasy 7 or Resident Evil 2? No, it got more people to play Final Fantasy 7 Remake or Resident Evil 2 Remake.
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@HalBailman N64 emulation doesn’t require an expensive. If you have any computer (assuming you do since you’re posting on the internet) it can run N64 emulation.
Sorry but saying playing the remakes is a substitute for playing the original is extremely dumb. Especially something like Zero Mission which is a completely different game. Would you say playing A Link to the Past is a substitute for playing Zelda 1? Because Zero Mission is as much a different game from Metroid 1 as A Link to the Past is from Zelda 1. Is watching one of the remakes of Charlie and the Chocolate factory a substitute for watching the original? Of course not.
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@NintendoWife For emulation I just plug my laptop into the TV with an HDMI cable. I can hardly tell the difference between an actual console.
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Lol of course I don't mean to literally buy an N64. Have you heard of something called emulators? Pretty sure I mentioned them in my other comment. Of course, ideally Nintendo would dump all of the games on their old consoles on the Switch eshop, but obviously that isn't happening.
Who would port an N64 game to the Switch 2? Faithful remasters/ports of old game on modern consoles are very common. They released a remastered collection of the PS1 Tomb Raider games on modern consoles that are fundamentally unchanged from the originals. And it ended up being a big success.
Even though Zero Mission is a far better game than the original Metroid it is still not a substitute. They are pretty much completely different games. Zero Mission doesn't replace the original Metroid any more than A Link to the Past replaces Zelda 1.
By bringing up Metroid Prime 4 I meant that modern graphics and technology doesn't make a game better. Metroid Prime 4 is vastly inferior to its precessors even though it is by far the most technologically impressive. Similarly, the Star Fox remake is not better than Star Fox 64 just because it is super impressive technology-wise.
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@HalBailman I never meant anything about the apps. I meant N64 games. The apps are not the only way to play N64 games.
The fact that remakes are not faithful is exactly why they are not substitutes for the original experience. They are different experiences that are similar to the old ones (or in the case of FF7 or Resident Evil, not similar at all). The problem is you are saying to play the remake instead of the N64 games, as if it is a replacement.
Metroid Zero Mission is much better than the original game, but that’s because the original Metroid on NES is not that great. Meanwhile, Ocarina of Time is still fantastic. But shinier and flashier graphics does not mean it is better. Look how Metroid Prime 4 ended up turning out, despite it because very graphically and technologically impressive.
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@HalBailman I play N64 plenty often, and I have not experienced what are describing, at all. If you expect everything to have the latest cutting edge graphics, and use terms like “ray-tracing” or numbers and stuff, then sure. But there is a charm in the N64 look. Now I definitely don’t like the subscription model. So would I recommend playing them on NSO? Probably not, I’d recommend emulation instead. Or in the case of Ocarina of Time, the excellent Ship of Harkinian port.
Also, Star Fox remake is not a fully faithful remake to the original. The gameplay is the same, but they completely rewrote the script and redid the voices.
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@NintendoWife I completely agree with the new games not being as good. The last Zelda game I really liked was A Link Between Worlds (which came out in 2013). But isn’t there a high chance of Nintendo using the OoT remake to make it play more like the new ones? Unless of course it is a 1-to-1 remake, but the teaser they showed implied more of a reimagining.
For a classic Zelda fix it’s definitely worth checking out some Ocarina of Time romhacks. The upcoming Zelda Indigo Romhack looks amazing and like it could have been a game Nintendo released back in the day.
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@NintendoWife Of course remakes are different as you said, that’s the point. But you phrased as a way to “get younger generations into the game”, which remakes don’t really do as it makes significant changes. It’s like saying the Disney Live Action remakes gets kids into the old classic Disney cartoons. It does not. And some remakes like Final Fantasy 7 and Resident Evil 2/3/4 are quite literally completely different games just as much as a sequel is.
A better example of what you’re describing is the Ship of Harkinian PC port. It’s the same classic Ocarina of Time, but with quality of life improvements and improvements to the technical aspects of the original.
P.S as for Link’s Awakening “everything they added feels right and official”, eh that Dampe dungeon builder was rough. The camera shop was better.
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Remasters and remakes are different. What described with movies (updating the technological aspects but keeping the film the same) is a remaster. I think game remasters are great, like the Tomb Raider remastered collection.
Remakes on the other hand fundamentally alter the original experience. Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Resident Evil 2 Remake are both great (well at least Resident Evil is, I’m not much of a fan of the changes they made to FF7R) but they are fundamentally completely different games from the originals. If you have only played the remakes, you have not played FF7 or RE2 respectively.
Even for more faithful remakes like Link’s Awakening it is still fundamentally not really the same experience as the original, as the new artstyle, gameplay/engine changes, etc. give it a very different feel.
What you said about public consciousness is part of the issues I have with ground up remakes. The worst outcome of the OoT remake is if they make massive changes to the game that completely change the original experience, and now all of a sudden this new game is the “Ocarina of Time” in a public consciousness. In many ways it is a 1984-esque rewriting of history. The exact opposite of game preservation.
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@Gaymer90 But by altering the games to cater to “modern tastes”, you are also removing what made these games special.
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@NintendoWife The TikTok kids wouldn’t boot up OoT remake either, or any modern single player game that is more niche than stuff like GTA. Unless of course they do stuff to the OoT remake to draw in Fortnite players or TikTok users, but that would be awful. The people that are actually interested in good games would get into them fine (at school/college I’ve heard more kids talk about Final Fantasy 4,
7, 9, etc. than 15 or 16).
Actually there are cases of bad/mediocre games being remade to try again. Look at Yooka Replaylee. Final Fantasy 2 on the NES is plagued with many issues, but it’s various rereleases/remakes fixed almost all of them.
More technology doesn’t equal better game. Those Unreal Engine fan remakes for example are not an improvement on the original games.
There’s a reason classic movies like The Godfather or The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly aren’t redone today to appeal to Marvel kids for example.
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@NintendoWife Well I’m 22 (so close enough to 18), and I’d absolutely much rather play N64 classics like Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask, Banjo Kazooie, etc. over the vast majority of modern games.
No, redoing classic games to appeal to Fortnite and TikTok addicted kids is not a good thing. Whatever this Ocarina of Time remake ends up being like, it will not be a substitute for playing the original.
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@NintendoWife But remakes of mediocre or bad games could actually be improved to make them good games. Fantastic games don’t have much to improve and don’t need a remake.
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@Zuljaras First of all Diablo 2 and Oblivion are still remasters, not remakes.
I didn’t say most remakes are bad games, I said most are inferior to the originals. Link’s Awakening remake is a great game because it is Link’s Awakening, but it is inferior to Link’s Awakening DX (the GBC version), and the plastic toy artstyle they went with doesn’t do the original story justice.
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@ParrakerriRush But when you remake them from the ground up, they are hardly the same as the original experience anymore. Ports and remasters are better for introducing people to classic games.
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@HalBailman Star Fox and OoT aren't "clunky, blurry messes" though
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@springer17 You can blame that on the modern games industry not caring about preservation at all. Game companies should make all games ever made available on modern platforms, just like is done with movies and books.
The fact the game industry could care less about this is why emulation is so important.
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@Kienda Why don't you have your kids play Ocarina of Time for the first time with the original (or Ship of Harkinian), instead of the new remake that probably won't be as good.
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@ghostsoundjosh Altering the game to appeal to the "modern audience" is exactly why remakes are worse than remasters or ports. Not every game needs to be open world.
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@Zuljaras The majority of full blown remakes (not remasters) are worse than the original