
Intelligent Systems got itself into a weird predicament after the stellar success of Fire Emblem Awakening a few years ago. Fire Emblem has long been known as one of Nintendo's most hardcore and unforgiving franchises – a turn-based RPG with plenty of variables to keep in mind on the battlefield, and where one wrong move might result in the permanent death of a unit. Awakening streamlined some of these harsh edges to generally make itself more palatable to mass audiences, and in the process introduced a whole boatload of people to the franchise. By now, it's pretty well established that the series would've been put to sleep had Awakening done poorly.
So the series lives on, but the predicament is that now there are two audiences with differing expectations for what a Fire Emblem game should be. The old guard wants that same hardcore challenge they've loved for 25 years, and the new crowd wants more of Awakening's ever-so-slightly more forgiving battles. How to move forward without alienating one of these audiences?

Enter Fire Emblem Fates and its two paths forward: Birthright and Conquest, each released as their own separate game. Should you choose Birthright then you'll travel down the path forged by Awakening: straightforward mission objectives (largely of the "rout the enemy" type), plentiful resources, and bountiful opportunities to grind for XP in side missions. Conquest takes a more old-school approach to the series and ratchets up the challenge considerably, with limited access to resources, fewer opportunities to grind for XP, and varied mission objectives that demand greater strategy to conquer. One mission might task you with eliminating a certain number of units, for example, and another to survive or defend an area for a specific number of turns. Each campaign is different enough to justify itself as a separate game unlike, say, Pokémon colour variants where the two versions are largely the same with a few minor differences. If you're new to Fire Emblem or don't feel like having too many heart attacks, we recommend starting with Birthright. Those up for a challenge or otherwise interested in shaving years off the back of your life through sheer stress would do well diving into Conquest.
The story of Fire Emblem Fates hinges on a key decision that takes place six missions in, but most players will have already chosen their path by virtue of buying one of the two releases. (Limited Edition players have access to both campaigns plus Revelation, a third campaign set to release as downloadable content one month after the other two games are out. We'll cover that one separately at a later date.)
Main-character Corrin stands at the centre of a conflict coming to a head between long-time rival kingdoms Hoshido and Nohr. Corrin is a part of the Hoshidan royal family by birth, but was raised by the Nohrian blue-bloods from a young age. As the conflict escalates early on, Corrin is forced to make a decision about who to fight for - oh yeah, and they also happen to be part dragon, so there's that.

In Birthright, Corrin sides with their blood relatives, ready to stop the rule of Nohr's corrupt king head-on. For Conquest, they join their adoptive family and aim to put an end to the conflict with Hoshido from within Nohr's ranks.
Fates tells a smaller, more intimate story than Awakening, where family and relationship dynamics can have as much of an influence on the plot as a major battle. Each campaign shares similar themes of nature vs. nurture and good vs. evil but casts a different light on the conflict depending on which side you're on. Playing both offers some really interesting perspective on the motivations and personalities of each side - things are never as black-and-white as they may seem, and Fates' story is at its best in these grey areas. Fates owes a large part of its world-building and charm to excellent localization - the writing is sharp and witty, and really breathes life into this fantasy world and its cast of dozens and dozens of characters across both campaigns. That said, the story does tend to drag at times in each game, with twists and traitors and seemingly trivial quests popping up as the plot unfolds. Some missions do feel like they could be relegated to side content without much loss to the story, but the handful of times this happens is forgiveable considering how much fun battle is.

Birthright and Conquest are both built off the same foundation, which is an updated version of that found in the previous game. In some ways, Fates refines Fire Emblem's mechanics to be even more accessible both on and off the battlefield. Weapon durability is pretty much gone altogether (save for healing items and staffs), eliminating the need to worry about how frequently you're using a particular weapon lest it crumble to dust. (This was last done in 1992's Fire Emblem Gaiden on NES, so it isn't entirely unprecedented.) The weapon triangle gets a much-appreciated boost in clarity thanks to new colour-coded backgrounds for each weapon icon. The paper-rock-scissors balance is now easier to decipher on the fly to see how your unit's equipment stacks up against that of nearby enemies; when one wrong move can mean goodbye forever to a beloved unit, we'll take all the help we can to reduce judgment errors.
Fire Emblem Fates has a few new tricks up its sleeve on the battlefield, too. There's a far greater diversity in the type and design of maps, which helps create exciting and tense situations for skirmishes. Environments like floating isles, harbours and ruins create challenges that require new strategies to conquer - for the most part you can't simply cluster all of your units together and move as a big mob and expect to win. You'll constantly have to adapt new strategies as choke points and environmental hazards are introduced, making no two missions quite the same.

In addition to general map layouts, two new elements are available to strategize around. Fates introduces three types of turrets on maps that certain units (both enemy and ally) can wield against the opposing army - helpful for territory control and weakening enemies from afar. These are powerful when in your control, but a downright pain in the keister when you find yourself on the receiving end.
Even more significant are Dragon Veins, as they have the potential to drastically alter the landscape and thus flow of battle. These are tiles that Corrin or another royal character can trigger to change the map's dynamics through things like flooding an area to prohibit passage, drying out a body of water to allow ground troops to cross, heal or damage units in an area, or kick up strong winds to make life more difficult for aerial units. They're a pretty great addition as they create a fresh dynamic to how the game flows, and lend diversity and life to what would be otherwise static environments.

As before, units that fight together will strengthen bonds and become more formidable fighters as a team. Updates to the battlefield pairing system open up some new strategies for how to position your units and approach the enemy. When you pair up two units to move as one, a new Guard meter is added that, when filled, will block one enemy attack. However, only the main unit will attack when paired in this way. Allied units that stand next to each other will both attack or take hits, but won't have a Guard meter to protect them. Enemy units now also enjoy these same tactical advantages, which can change how you'll want to approach them. These changes add a few new wrinkles to how you think about positioning and confrontation, and is a rather nice tactical addition.
The much-ballyhooed relationship and marriage system remains intact, proving once again that love can bloom on the battlefield. When a relationship is strong enough you have the option of upgrading two units to an S-ranked relationship, which marries them and yields a side mission where you can retrieve their child to fight alongside you (the children are sent to live in an alternate dimension where time flows at a different pace - it's a whole thing). This time out, beyond the dozens of eligible bachelors and bachelorettes, marriage has been expanded to include one same-sex option in each game for Corrin to marry (if female in Birthright, if male in Conquest).

You'll be spending a fair amount of time between battles in your Castle, which acts as a central hub for all manner of shopping and socializing. The castle courtyard is a free-roam area where you can build and upgrade shops, buy supplies, talk to allies, and act as city planner. You can also invite allies to your Private Quarters - basically, your home - and bond with them to improve your relationships. (Read more about that whole thing.)
Fire Emblem amiibo can also be scanned at your castle, which will cause that character to come visit your town. They'll drop by and offer an item the first two visits, and will challenge you to a battle the third time around. If you defeat them, the unit will be added to your army. You can't forge relationships with amiibo characters, but considering how strong these units are and how cool it is to have Lucina, Marth, Robin or Ike in your Fates army, we still chalk this one up as a neat use of the figures.

Your castle also acts as the main hub for StreetPassing, where you can greet people and visit their castles. Optionally, you can battle their army in your courtyard. Alternatively, if you prefer fighting live opponents, you can take up arms against a friend or foe through either local or online multiplayer. The latter will certainly be appealing to some, especially once the meat of the campaign is cleared.
Both Birthright and Conquest are meaty games in their own right, where you can expect to put in a minimum of 25 hours if you just blast through the campaigns. Developing relationships between characters, powering up units and all that extra stuff can easily take up dozens and dozens more hours. Additional DLC missions (some free, mostly paid) will be coming down the pipe, which will only further increase the amount of time you can expect to get out of the game. Once you've thoroughly clocked one of the games, you can pick up the other campaign at a reduced price through the eShop - the game even lets you skip right to the mission where you choose your path, eliminating the need to sit through the 90-minute lead-up to the good stuff. You can create a new Corrin avatar or use an existing one at this junction (however, you can't bring over your already-levelled Corrin from a previous playthrough).

A range of modes let you play with stakes as high or as low as you can bear, regardless of campaign or difficulty - the latter of which you can crank up or down, of course. Traditional players will want to stick with Classic mode, where permadeath threatens at every turn and hard game reboots are the norm after a beloved unit bites the dust. This is Fire Emblem at its most challenging and, in this writer's opinion, rewarding. Casual mode removes permadeath from the equation - downed characters will be removed from the battlefield but can be used again in the next mission. Phoenix is a new mode that takes the Casual concept one step further by temporarily incapacitating a unit whose health drops to zero, and then restores downed units to full health at the start of the player's next turn.
Fire Emblem Fates is polished from head to toe (or should we say feet? Because the 3D models of characters now have feet instead of the previous weird leg stubs. Hooray!). The soundtrack is thunderous, playful, and exciting, and the game's musical leitmotif will earworm its way into your head for weeks to come. Fates' lovely art style works just as well in 2D as it does in 3D, and while its cinematics are brief they look utterly fantastic. It's clear that lots of attention to detail has gone into every nook and cranny. A great example of this is seen when the camera transitions from the top-down view of the battlefield to actual combat. The first time you see this is neat and novel, and will be a familiar sight to players of Awakening. However, the second or third time will put a real smile on your face when you notice that the landscape of the 3D combat scene actually matches your position on the map. Gone are the generic stand-in settings for these scenes and in is the real map itself. It's a small thing of beauty and helps bridge the two viewpoints in a cohesive way. This, among other niceties, shows just how Intelligent Systems has raised the bar on handheld Fire Emblem.
Conclusion
Fire Emblem may have found itself in a strange spot after the success of Awakening, but Intelligent Systems has found a way forward. Actually, two ways - Fire Emblem Fates does a remarkable job delivering what newcomers and long-time players both could possibly want out of this series. Fans of Awakening will dig Birthright's continuation of that style of gameplay, and Conquest's strategic demands should go over well with series veterans and those looking for more bite from their games. Extensive campaigns, online multiplayer, and spit-shine polish combine to make for some of the most well-rounded Fire Emblem experiences to date.
Each of these games is unique enough to stand on its own accord as an impressive achievement and a whole lot of fun. The writing is sharp and witty, and gameplay is as accessible or as hardcore as you could want it to be. While the story can feel like it's dragging at times, it's tough to hold too many grudges against what feels like padding since the core gameplay is so much fun.

We're very curious to see where the Fire Emblem series goes from here. Will it go down the path forged by Awakening and continued with Birthright, or will it veer back towards the hardcore style of old and Conquest? We suppose we'll just have to wait and see what fate has in store.
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"(...)the 3D models of characters now have feet instead of the previous weird leg stubs."
Hurrah!
Great that both games can stand or their own, so it's not literally like two versions of Pokemon.
Now. Europe. When... Aaaaaah....
Edit: Got the limited edition, loving it so far :3
Nohr does what HosiDON'T! XD
...Is what I would say if they didn't split them into two versions.
Anyway, I've been waiting for this for quite a while. Already preordered from GameStop of Birthright. Can't wait!
So can you download the other campaign, too (as an addition, not a separate game)? Or only the third campaign?
I want to play all three, though I can't count on getting the extended edition, and it would be nice to have them all in one spot, rather than in separate 3DS files/icons.
@Dark-Luigi Yeah, I'd be Team Nohr too, but if Hoshido is allegedly the easier game, it makes sense to play it first. Oh well...
@bro2dragons you can download them both as DLC for $20 apiece I believe if you buy one of the versions. So if you buy Birthright, you can get Conquest for $20 as a download and Revelations is I believe $20 regardless of which version you get.
@Piersen Truer words have never been spoken.
I am getting conquest first. I will get birthright dlc if I want later on. I've played the series since its beginning in America, so I want the challenge. From what I have read, conquest seems more like the original gba game and not awakening....
Meanwhile in Europe...
Can't wait for the 18th!
I seriously can't wait to get this game. The more I wait, the more hurting I get
So if I buy Birthright I can still do the Conquest path right? Since the Conquest game is the harder version of the two? Or am I missing something? The wife wants this game but I don't want the difficulty to force her to give up and stop playing.
@Locke159 get birthright, then buy Conquest as a DLC in-game for half price
you have multiple save slots, if you want to go both routes at the same time :0
I'm still hoping against hope that I can get the special edition. I loved Awakening, and I'm glad that Fates seems to be as good or better. At this point, Fates is up there with Zelda U as my most anticipated games of 2016.
I was originally going to start with Birthright, but playing FE7 recently has given me a taste for the more hardcore style of classic FE games. Maybe I'll start with Conquest instead. It also aligns with my ethical feelings on this dilemma more closely (the people who raised and cared for you are more important than the people who you descend from).
Just a few more days, this is so exciting!
Sitting here waiting for the typical crowd of users to bash this game(s).
I love Intelligent Systems, and I knew they would deliver, they always do! I really didn't mind the decision to make two games, and I like that weapons don't break, which I always felt was unnecessary. Both games are getting glowing reviews everywhere, and gasp, a worthy inclusion of amiibo. Say it ain't so! Sounds like we have a hit on our hands everybody.
This review is worthless and empty without a comment from @JaxonH, whom I should thank for convincing me to give my neglected copy of Awakening a try. If I beat it, then I will be picking up one of these, probably Birthright.
So excited for my Special Edition to get here! One of the only SE/LEs I own where the extra money spent feels justified above "swag." Well, I mean, we'll see, but I suspect so!
I got a question.
Is conquest made so that it can be beatable or is it something like if you're units are extremely weak, you can't make any more progress?
I want to get Conquest first and then Birthright since Birthright sounds like its the same as Awakening interms of what you do.
Eh, still not a real Fire Emblem game.
I was already buying both versions day one, and this review somehow gets me even more excited!
Glad to hear the game is not another Pokemon in terms of how multiple versions are handeld. I did not expect it to be, but it's good to have confirmation on that.
Speaking of which, from what I can tell, the multiple versions turned out to be more of a blessing then a curse then? Basically, we got more FE, if we so choose, but we also don't get shortchanged, if we stick to just one version.
Having said that, I still don't like the emphasis on DLC the game seems to be placing. I hated it with FE:A and I doubt I will feel differently with this one. The fact that all those "hardcore" elements can be simply undercut by spending like $2 on DLC is just ... wrong, definitely for 'Conquest'. It is one thing if they give out free one-time playable missions via Spot-Pass, but those ... pay-to-win grinding maps? They really go against the grain of what FE always used to be, a game about tactics AND strategy (read: first and foremost managing your ressources, be it EXP, gold, weapons, items or units itself).
I also happen to believe, if they do release the game in the fashion they chose to (which again, I'm ok with), $80 worth of revenue should be enough. There should really be no need for further monetization.
@sinalefa that's exactly what I'm waiting for, come on @JaxonH! Lol
I really wanted the complete package for this one as the game looks beautiful. But having missed out on the Special Edition (once again, thanks Nintendo) combined with the localization changes and price of Revelations kinda killed it for me. I'm going to pass on it for now at least.
And then we have Europe...
I haven't been able to get my hands on the special edition so I think I'll probably just get conquest and buy revelations. Still kind of disappointed that I would have to pay for all three versions due to how much this game will be all together, but I think I'll be fine with just two of them. This time around I don't have any plans on getting any DLC though.
Looks good! I still need to get around to playing Awakening.
Going to have to wait on this. Wishing my wallet was like Mary Poppins' carpet bag...only full of $$$. :-/
@Socar Conquest is definitely beatable, just harder. Things like its enemy unit placement + type and map design require more careful consideration.
Just give us a UK release date, please!!!
Preordered Birthright. I'm all about easier. I don't need to stress about playing a game.
@MJKOP @sinalefa Jax is busy googling cool sounding diseases so he can take of from work next week.
@Miss_Dark Same. The lack of any news on the European front is starting to chip away at my eagerness to play these, and I'm as big a fan as I can possibly get.
I can't wait, I want it now.
Awakening was my first experience with the series and you can make the case that it's the 3DS' single best game. I've got Birthright on preorder and as long as Conquest doesn't turn out to be obscenely difficult I'll be picking that one up too - and maybe I'll actually be able to beat one of these in Classic mode (I said FE13 was a great game, not that I didn't stink on ice at it).
And it's still only my third most anticipated title coming out on 3DS in the next ten days. Savor the system's last hurrah!
@Soren Gee, let's see.. It's from Nintendo and Intelligent Systems, it uses strategy RPG elements and the rock-paper-scissors (axes-lances-swords) formula that the series is known for, it has a wide variety of characters, and an epic storyline. Oh, and it's actually titled Fire Emblem.
Please, tell me how it's not a 'real' Fire Emblem game.
Did anyone NOT expect this to score highly?
@Soren Just because it isn't what YOU wanted doesn't mean it isn't a Fire Emblem game.
I'm actually pleased with the two versions now. Like Awakening? Get Birthright. Like classic FE? Get Conquest. I was annoyed at first by the split versions but it actually makes sense considering different people want different things from the series.
@Pokefanmum82 I'm the same way!
@Rapido the 18th? Doesn't it come out on the 19th?
@sinalefa @rjejr @MJKOP
It hath begun.
Quit your jobs. Put in your notices. Break off any relationships you may have. Disown your children if you must.
Fire Emblem is nearly upon us.
Hyped as I am for these, my purchase will have to wait a little while. T_T I'll likely be picking up Conquest as that's the path that appeals to me most.
I would have loved to pick up the Special Edition, but I missed out on preordering as they came up while I was at work.
@rjejr
Next week? More like next month...
I heard rumours that Street Fighter V is so meager on single player and broken serverwise because of this game.
Also this is not Atlus, why no EU release yet? Oh, it's Nintendo, nevermind.
Can't wait. Buying both versions. (Couldn't get the Special Edition) Starting with Birthright.
Lesbians or challenge, lesbians or challenge, hmmmmmmmm....
Will all the Europeans please give it a rest with the whining about not having a release date. You guys got Bravely Second first, so hold your horses while us Americans have something first.
@abbyhitter
Come on. Show some empathy....
This is FIRE EMBLEM we're talking about here. I feel their pain
@Soren how do you know? Have you already played it?
Playing birthright right now <3
Too bad my retailer didn't had the special edition :/
Would love to have gotten one.
Can't wait for Revelations.
This game (as did Codename STEAM) really makes me want the Fire Emblem Amiibo figures. I have Marth as I found him in Best Buy, but I've never been able to get my hands on any of the other 3. I'm really hoping that Friday with the release we see Robin, Lucina, and Ike on shelves.
@sinalefa I'm not sure of the connection w/ SFV - though I have seen all the articles on PS the past few days - but not getting a date, well I'm sure you know how I feel about that.
@abbyhitter Not getting the game yet and not having a date yet are 2 very different things. I'm sure if they had a date, even if it were a few months out, there would be a lot less comments about it. TP HD and Pokken Tournament are getting worldwide releases - east and west - the least they could do is give a date for this in the EU.
Cool! LOOOVED Awakening but Im still kinda on the fence with this. But if I invest...its Conquest all the way!
@Galenmereth 'Somewhat'? They differ a LOT.
C'MON EU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Take my money.
So excited for this game! Amazon should be shipping my copy sometime today!
I am sort of looking forward to playing this in 2017 when it finally releases.
I think just like Awakening this game will get released in April in Europe. Just like when Awakening came out in February 2013 in North America and in April in Europe. Must buy by the way
@Galenmereth
At least you have a choice. Every other game that releases is just that one game. When you bought Awakening you got whatever characters came with the game. Same here. Only here at least you have options.
But you say you loved Awakening? Then there is no choice. You want Birthright, simple as that. Conquest is not for you, unless you've played previous entries and like that challenge.
It sounds great, I will be dropping everything to play this! Wish EU had a release date so we knew how long we have to wait.
@abbyhitter at least you know date for Bravely Second (unless you're lazy idiot like some guy [no pointing fingers] who was butthurt for the sake of being butthurt and making stuff as he goes along about no release plans ), while Europe as always is kept in the dark.
Instead of date for this, we got some POS cards...
I'm a little set back by how the collector's edition seems to be such a limited run. I was on Best Buy's website the day of the direct and found that it had sold out in a very short time. I literally checked after the Direct and it was not there, and then an hour later it was sold out. I'm not really that motivated to buy the three games separately and miss out on the art book. So I'll pass for now and consider a purchase if it ever comes back in stock.
@Galenmereth
Eh hem.
There are 3 difficulties for each game. And the choice to play on casual or classic. So 6 total difficulty settings you can choose from.
You don't have to choose one side or the other for that- you get that in either version.
And this isn't a "marketing strategy". This is two games, one aimed at Awakening fans and one aimed at pre-existing fans. Pretty straightforward.
Do what you want, but you're only cheating yourself out of a great game. Which every review across the board will tell you is a fantastic game, regardless of which one you choose.
Buying it. OH WAIT! I can't, because I'm in the UK. A third world country Nintendo forgot existed.
@Galenmereth
No, of course you don't get both sides. I never said you did. They are two separate games. But you can buy the second for $19.99 as DLC. These two games are not just separate difficulties. These two games are entirely separate games with different characters, different maps and different objectives, different stories, the works. They are quite literally two separate games.
Not sure what's not straightforward though. Awakening split the fanbase. All the new players loved it for its casual mode and many pre-existing fans hated it for being too easy, not enough diversity in objectives, etc.
Solution= Fire Emblem Fates. Two separate games- one for Awakening fans and one for pre-existing fans. Buy the one which suits you. Or, buy both and get the second half price.
Does that help explain things a little?
Very disappointed not to even have a release date for Europe yet.
7.8/10 not enough petting.
So anyone know what the Corrin Amiibo will do then?
@Galenmereth Well, I'm sorry that you just can't seem to find anything good about it.
@coolaggro
I haven't heard of any official support with Roy or Corrin amiibos.
Not yet anyeays.
Those weren't out for the Japanese launch, and even Roy won't be out until a month after US
NA launch. I think it's possible they won't get support patched in, but I could be wrong.
RIP my backlog for the next month or so once Fates releases since I imagine I'll be putting in even more time into Fates than Awakening, and I had around 950 hours in Awakening.
I preordered both when there was a "Preorder two games, get 30% off" deal last year. That makes it so both retail copies cost the same as one retail copy + one DLC copy. My interest did wane around the last quarter of Awakening and so even after two attempts over 2 years, I have never completed the main campaign. However, I'm hyped to begin playing Birthright as a refresher course/lead-in to Conquest. I'm just worried that I won't make it to either game's conclusion if my interest does wane again. I've also learned my lesson: No game-breaking DLC with infinite EXP, cash, and legendary weapons! I have purchased two full games-worth of content that I don't feel DLC will be necessary until I complete them both and then I might give Revelation a whirl.
@TrueWiiMaster Ditto! This will ease the painful wait of Zelda U for a while. So hyped!
@Iggly Yeah, I was trying to beat some of my backlog before this comes out. I know once I get this I won't be playing anything else for awhile.
Wait, so birthright is the easy mode and conquest is harder mode? I don't want easy mode, but my absrocking waifu... T.T
As expected the game is great! That said, the writing on this review is so good as the game, the conclusion is write in a brilliant way.
I bought the Special edition and now I'm waiting for it!
I Just got Awakening 2 days ago, clearly behind, but excited!!
@Mrrabbitpuncher
Eh, not exactly.
They're two separate games. Conquest does happen to be more difficult, but it's not a "difficulty mode". It's a separate game that is a little more hardcore.
Both games have Normal, Hard and Lunatic difficulty modes, and both games let you choose between Classic (permadeath), Casual (units revived after each chapter) and Pheonix (units revived after each turn- basically a god mode).
@MoonKnight7 I agree that breaking weapons really never felt that critical to the game. There were always a few important weapons that were durable anyway, and as you get more characters later on, you have so many weapons that you just end up selling the old junky ones that are almost broken. Stocking each unit's inventory for a fight was always more about getting them the right weapons for their class and the way you plan to use them. The only items for which breaking was ever an issue for me were the staves and healing items, so they pretty much hit the nail on the head here.
However, Robin in Smash Bros. is surely annoyed by this change, since he/she is the only character in Smash saddled with breakable weapons.
@earthboundlink
"However, Robin in Smash Bros. is surely annoyed by this change, since he/she is the only character in Smash saddled with breakable weapons."
So true! Haha.
This is so exciting! Can't wait till June (lucky Americans! ) I think I need both/all three games. Yes.
Already have my Special Edition paid off ($85 total, yikes!). Conquest honestly still sounds like Awakening, just with less opportunities to grind and more varied chapters (hurrah!) and I don't think I'll enjoy changes such as unlimited weapon uses. It won't reach the sheer heights of Radiant Dawn, the Jugdral games, and Shouzo Kaga's post-FE games, but it seems Fates may be more enjoyable than I thought.
Besides, if I wanted to play more complex FE games I could just replay old games or play rom hacks and fan games.
I'll pass :/
Dunno, FE lost its luster it had during the GBA and GameCube era.
Maybe it's just me.
oh no, I will have no life for sure now !!!!
Fire Emblem is ace!!!!
Looking forward to the game coming out in Europe. It's Fire Emblem, what can I say, the series has never let me down.
@Ralizah I like the comment about your ethical feelings, I agree too.
@Locke159 You will have to pay for the other path, although said cost will be cheaper if you get the second one digitally.
Picking up Fates and Street Fighter V on Friday. I guess I know what games to write on those What Games are You Playing this Weekend articles for Push Square and Pure Xbox. Lol
Tomorrow, tomorrow, I 'll love you tomorrow. It's only a day away.
I'm definitely getting this and playing the crap out of it this weekend.
I am a new fan to the series so these are exciting times for me. I got Awakening a few months ago and I am half way through it. In some ways, it reminds me of Shining Force from my Sega Genesis and that makes me very happy. I have enjoyed the game so far and it's incredible three sequels are about to release.
Recently, I have morphed into a 3DS collector so I am going to buy both stand alone versions of the game. If I like them, I will buy the Revelations DLC. I love having the physical copy of games and I have the financial means to afford paying for both.
Enjoy whichever adventure you choose! =)
Oh boy. I was hoping to get SOME SFV in before this hits but i might as well as pack up everything now. #FE just came in the mail so I'll work on that until friday but after that... I won't be heard from until i beat all three games plus birthright in japanese.
Limited edition for me, starting on Conquest
The reviews have been so fantastic. Amazon sent me an email that my copy had shipped out today.
My 3DS is ready.
If anyone wants to play some online multi battles once we've had time to build up a team, let me know!
Game looks great, but I have so many problems with how NoA handled it (especially how exclusive the limited edition was) that I'm choosing not not to buy.
@ejamer
I admire your will.
I could never let politics stand between me and a game I want to play. I leave all that making a stand stuff in the hands of others. Me, I just wanna play games and come hell or high water, there is nothing on this earth that will keep me from playing this game on Friday.
@bro2dragons If you own birthright or conquest, you can buy the other one from the e-shop for 20 bucks instead of 40, from what I've heard. Thus 80 bucks for the whole thing
@ejamer Sort of the same for me. If they don't do a limited edition reprint, or if I'm somehow unable to get it, I'm just going to skip this one for now. My anti-DRM stance demands that all of the paths be made available in one card!
I'm disappointed that Nintendo has sorely misjudged demand for an all-in-one edition upon release, and I hope they will make more.
@leo13 Just as a heads up for you, Roy is still available to preorder from Gamestop in the US (he's a GS exclusive), though it hasn't been officially confirmed whether or not Fates will support him in a future patch (its possible both him and Corrin could get their amiibos patched in). Also, while he currently isn't in stock, Ike has also been a GS exclusive since Black Friday, so they currently have a grasp on FE characters. Though Robin and Lucina haven't been restocked since launch and are still among if not outright the rarest amiibos in the US, so unfortunately I can't help you other than look at Gamestop for the future since those guys seem to like Fire Emblem.
@PlywoodStick I going to regret asking this but what does digital rights management have to do with which campaigns are on a game card? You can't rom dump it either way (well you can but campaign version has nothing to do with that)...
@AVahne Apparently the Conquest version is challeging. I haven't played the path yet as I started birthright as it's been a while since I played a FE game, but it seems Conquest delivers the challenge based on reviews.
I am tired of 3DS having many more better games than Wii U - it is unfair to Wii U buyers and especially those early adopters.
So apparently, one of the paths standalone is about 2GB, but if you add on the other two paths through DLC, then comes to somewhere between 2.2 and 2.5GB... So most of the data is already integrated into one instance of the game's code. The three paths don't actually take up very much space put together.
This both pleases me and deeply disappoints me. It pleases me, because it demonstrates Nintendo's continued amazing capability to cram an amazing amount of content into small spaces. Nintendo has long been the masters of this type of coding wizardry. On the other hand, it deeply disappoints me, because it means that the special edition cartridge is only a 4GB card... It is not a 8GB card. This means that $80 is a poor value, there are other games with as much content as all three of these paths put together, with far more data space used, for $60 or even less.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to hold off until either more special edition copies are available, or if that doesn't happen, buy one path at retail then pirate the other two paths.
Edit: Will see what comes of system version spoofing first.
@ASonic3582 thanks. It's idiotic that Nintendo has Robin and Lucina in 2 3DS games in a meaningful way and we still can't buy them
@PlywoodStick Not really. One game is 1.5GB. The other path is about 200mb if you buy it as DLC.
Revelations was 400mb (JPN version)
The SE might be around 2GB.
@Ryu_Niiyama I'm coming from the DRM-free PC gaming perspective. When buy something, we expect to be able to download and back it up as often as we please, with the full package provided. We expect one world, one price. And we expect the business to offer products which use no arbitrary barriers, no required logins (besides the store to buy the game, of course), and everything packaged together nicely.
Of course, Nintendo is not friendly towards the principles of DRM-free. However, Fire Emblem Fates takes this a step further by preventing players from accessing everything in one package, unless they're lucky enough to acquire a special edition package. There should also be a download special edition version, with everything in the same download, for a special reduced price, maybe $60.
Again, I'm coming from a DRM-free PC perspective, so it doesn't quite match the comparatively restrictive console space. But then again, that's what mods/hacks are for...
@Gridatttack Woops! The information I found was wrong, then. ...But that would be an even worse value if the three paths really do fit onto a 2GB card, wouldn't it?
@PlywoodStick I think basing the value on the data size of the game is a bit weird.
There's a lot of content since its basically 3 different stories.
They don't need to inflate the game file size because the game assets can be used in all 3 path. Also the 3D map models don't weight much either, but I dunno how many battle maps the 3 stories share.
@PlywoodStick your loss. I tried to get the special edition, but I couldn't so I'm going to just download all 3 versions it'll cost me the same $80
@PlywoodStick Also, I can confirm that if you own either birthright or conquest, if you buy the second path for the reduced price and then the Revelations DLC, the total cost is 80$, the same as the special edition, except without the early access to Revelations, the single cart, unique box and the Artbook and the 3DS pouch.
I played the translated japanese SE, and now that I have birthright as cart and Conquest as DLC, it feels exactly like the Special edition, except the other paths are DLC, so pretty much the only thing you can't do is having everything into a single cart so you can have all your saves in one place and can't use the downloaded paths it on other systems(Unless they have the DLC installed).
I am absolutely getting both games. It's just a shame that all the stores in my area ran out of pre-orders for the special edition so quickly that I couldn't get one.
@Gridatttack In the PC realm, the amount of space used is often related to the amount and quality of content and assets. Although it is true that lower fidelity titles can be huge, I was expecting each path here to take up more space than they do. It's an amazing feat on Nintendo's part, but one could cram multiple copies of all three paths onto an 8GB SD card if they had the mind to do so. That is... somewhat disconcerting to me.
I've been keeping my 3DS on a lower version for modding purposes, and the eShop now requires everyone to update to the latest version, which I'm not willing to do. So because of my way of doing things, I can't actually acquire the other two paths after buying one, unless I can either get a special edition card with all three paths on it, or wait to pirate them to simulate the special edition. This way of providing games only works for people who always update to the latest firmware version. I'm still on 9.0.0.
I've never had to worry about this with previous console generations, and I've never worried about such a thing on PC.
@PlywoodStick Yes, in the PC realm I agree with you, but lets remember we aren't there, and trying to see them as both is like, IMO, trying to compare apples and oranges in the same way.
Well, if you have your 3DS on lower versions...then it can only mean one thing right?
@Gridatttack LOL, I would usually never even consider pirating, and I don't use any illicit devices. It is because of the way FE Fates is being provided that I would even consider it. The only games I've pirated before are really old games with no modern/readily feasible/affordable American avenue of acquisition, such as Terranigma.
@Ralizah That would be true if it weren't for the facts that you were kidnapped and your "adoptive dad" is a huge b******.
@PlywoodStick Well, there was an eShop spoofer, but dunno if it works on 9.0
In any case, I don't think you can play the game on 9.0, as the game cart will surely ask for an update...so yeah.
phoenix mode sounds so bad . .
but can't wait to play this finally :+ ) I think I am getting Birthright for now and playing on classic
@Gridatttack Well, at least I have a sizeable backlog to get through... Thanks for the info, though!
@PlywoodStick Well, technically, there's no illicit device involved to mod the 3ds if you want to emulate the OS on the SD and have it to the latest version so you can use the eshop and stuff while the 3DS stays on 9.0, but of course, can't say more due to the rules regarding homebrew and whatnot.
In any case, the Special Edition doesn't takes as much space as one would think.
I wonder how much with all the DLC might be at the end. Probably another GB more.
@leo13 Well, I'll be looking forward to user reviews and impressions, in any case!
@Gridatttack I haven't tried that yet, but hopefully I'll get around to it while maintaining a safe environment. If that works out, I would be willing to buy one path at retail, download the other two paths, and get map pack 1 thrown in using the Best Buy deal JaxonH told me about. The question, then, is how to integrate them together... Or is that automatic?
I'm using a 32GB SD card, so space is no problem!
@Galenmereth What if the game were marketed true to it's word of making a choice in game instead of at retail, because of all three paths being on one card for everyone in the world, but the price would be $60? Would people clamor for a premium handheld behemoth? Or would sticker shock prevent Fates from reaching the heights of Awakening?
Personally, I think all three paths on one card by default would have still sold very well at a $60 price tag. The $80 tag for a buffed up version of the same thing has already sold out almost instantly every time that preorder opportunities have surfaced.
@PlywoodStick ...hmm. Never bought an expansion before? I'm guessing Starcraft II didn't sit well with you either. Ok. Well DRM still has nothing to do with three different versions which are closer to analogy to an expansion (also a PC gamer) than copy protection (which is what DRM is) and has nothing to do with this game trilogy unless you are trying to justify piracy. Ok I asked and you answered but because I'm tired of beating a dead horse I'll say thanks for explaining your view point and moving on.
Is it Friday yet?
Very predictable.
@Ryu_Niiyama You're partially right, I only bought Wings of Liberty, and that was it for me. That being said, I do not consider expansion packs to be at all on the same proposition level as FE Fates' fairly unique methodology of providing acquisition methods.
There is a certain expectation of value for a later additional project after an original project is finished; whereas FE Fates was produced and offered all at once. I don't think anyone I've ever known IRL or have ever talked to on other sites would put this on the same level as expansion packs... It's closer to Day 1 DLC for segregated content; and a heavy dose of arbitrary content staggering for the first month of release applied to everyone who couldn't get the special edition.
DRM encompasses more than just (temporary) copy protection and (weak) piracy prevention. Being anti-DRM is not synonymous with being pro-piracy. You don't seem interested in that, though, so I won't bother explaining further.
Japanese AUDIO????
@zaemon Nope, it got dropped. If you want it, you need to get the Japanese version, then region unlock mod and translation patch.
Edit: Never mind, Rei corrected me!
Yes I'm getting this as soon as my first tax income check arrive.
I'm very happy to read that the games turned out well. I think I will pick up Birthright first, since it is a bit easier and has more side-content. I'll pick up Conquest later in the year when I have the cash. Same with Revelations haha. I can't wait for my college semester to end so I can get into Fire Emblem again!
Meh. ~5 days till I get my JP version of the special edition + JP n3ds still JP dub <3
Might as well move out of Europe, because Nintendo clearly doesn't give two bahonkas about us.
Great review, I still have to beat Awakening so there isnt much point in me picking this up on release. Glad it reviewed high though.
@Kirby-life
Yeah, I wish Nintendo would make more Special Editions, clearly the numbers are there to make more. Here in the states, GameStop royally screwed up because of an internal error about how many they had. If you ordered it past a certain date, your order had to be cancelled. I ordered mine pretty quickly, but I just barely made the cut apparently, and I didn't even know it.
@JaxonH
It's easy to not be concerned about one game when I have a stacked backlog (which already includes one Fire Emblem game) and more games are constantly being released.
Fates looks great. I won't miss it.
@PlywoodStick
Maybe there will be a Limited Edition reprint? That's what I'm hoping for, although definitely not holding my breath. The game is sure to sell well which mean that Nintendo probably won't care about the minority who aren't buying.
@PlywoodStick I am on 9.2 and I was able to get back all my old e-shops purchases on the emulated 10.5 system of the same console. No need to download pirate copies to have/play e-shop things on an old console
edit: sorry, I did not see the later messages. Well, I did it to four consoles and none was injured. There is probably no risk involved with this.
@zaemon If you "mod" a console and get Region Free, then original dub would be cheaper to have by downloading a data pack with the original audio (applied on-the-fly to your western cartridge/e-shop game. I do that with Level-5 products and Tales of the Abyss.
Damn your eyes, you're making me so tempted to get this! Still got Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold AND The Witcher 3 in my backlog, though.
@Rei Emulated system? How on earth did you manage that? Send me a link at [email protected], if you can't explain it here. Pretty please?
A) If you buy the digital version of the game, you don't have to choose which version until you actually make it to the fork.
B) Gamespot did a review where they looked at each version separately, and they hated a bit on Conquest, partly because it was too hard (I don't really care about that), but more because Birthright simply had so much more content to play than Conquest. Any thoughts on that?
@FantasiaWHT
A) This is True. The digital version let's you freely chose a path, but locks you into that path after you chose it.
B) I think it's an illusion actually, Birthright is a bit more open and allows you to grind, but both versions of the game has the same number of chapters. Main story and side quest.
@Rei Thanks! I'll try that out, then. I didn't know the translation/text patch could be applied to a non JP copy; oftentimes 3rd party patches need a specific version to work.
@ejamer Nintendo would be wise to do a reprint of something that sells out so quickly... But then again, this is Nintendo we're talking about.
@PlywoodStick Not exactly, the currently existing patch can't be applied, but the team announced they would do a patch for the US to get the cut-out portions and/or their version of the translation (not sure exactly).
BUT a common thing on 3DS is the "undub" thing: someone "rip" a data pack with audio off the original jap.game then you place it on your SD card and activate a program who will launch your game and "redirect the datas read" on the downloaded file. Sorry if this is unclear ^^" (not good in explaining things)
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@FantasiaWHT The first part was true... in Japan. In the West, it seems you buy a version or another.(read that somewhere yesterday)
Not much of a fire emblem fan but I am so excited for this game!
So if Birthright characters are your actual siblings you can marry them too? I was wondering why everyone was worried about same sex marriage and not incest.
@Locke159 um it gets explained later Kamui/Corrin isn't really related to most of them (there is one notable exception but Its a big spoiler so I won't say).
EDIT: Besides if anything the NA dub of Sailormoon has proven...People are concerned more about homosexuality than incest.
@Ryu_Niiyama Do tell I don't mind the spoilers in this series
Probably end up with all three at some point.
Not that I approve of amiibo exclusive content!
@Locke159 Right but others might not want to be told and this is an open comments section. Just know that the romances aren't incest except one. And even that one is oddly presented.
@JaxonH I swear someone needs to write a debunking article for all the half information that has gotten thrown around about the Fates trilogy. I feel like I've seen you and to a much lesser extent myself clarifying the same things over and over.
@Ryu_Niiyama
The misinformation is truly astounding though isn't it...
I am a bit disappointed that the Japanese voices won't be in it but then again we have Youtube videos, so what I'll probably do is turn on the YT video to get the Japanese audio and look at subtitles on my 3DS (hopefully they didn't take those away too ). It'll be annoying but I really liked Azura's Japanese singing voice.
I was lucky enough to get the Special Edition, but since I am a bit of a vet I will be going with Conquest first. Surprised they got rid of weapon durability, those debuffs must be pretty nasty.
@JacketsNest101
I was going to do the same, but I figure it will spoil Birthright if I do Conquest first. It would seem too easy afterward I think.
But, either way all 3 paths will get their time in the spotlight.
Congrats USA for getting FE Fates first! Still sad it's not out in EU though..
When it does though, I'll be playing Conquest first.
http://gameranx.com/updates/id/39150/article/best-buy-is-cancelling-fire-emblem-special-edition-preorders
Never mind, not going to get this from Best Buy after all. Not supporting this business practice. I'll just wait and see if a special edition reprint happens.
This may sound stupid, but is fire emblem fates going to be a single cartridge or is there one for each path?
@NinjaAceTrainer Both, but the single card version is very sold out. Maybe it will be reprinted some day, but who knows. Otherwise, the two advertised paths have their own card, and require the other to be downloaded at half price. ($40 + $20) Next month, the final path will be released digitally for another $20. Those who got the special edition card will have access to all paths right away, but they must pay $80 for it.
@PlywoodStick Thanks for the answer, it sucks that the single card version is sold out though...
This review led me to believe this game would be fun, but these characters and this dialogue....
A supreme case of buyers remorse going on here. Was the Japanese version this....bad?
Gamestop sold my special edition preorder(ed before nov 18th)
to someone who they shouldnt have.............im still trying to pick my heart up. Mine was the only one they got and someone who was there before they opened waited-- after they told him no the night before and a different employee sold it. Gods damn it.
@oats-81 You are a better person than me. I would have had the DM on the phone pronto.
@Ryu_Niiyama They cant get me one, and in the end they want me to settle for one physical one download and revelations dlc.....and a 25$ giftcard. I told them i will wait till friday and see if one pops up. It was the manager who messed up too. He feels terrible and is trying to fix this but i cant settle for digital copys. Might hafta look to satan on ebay....im tryin to give the guy the benny of the doubt but...poops.
@Piersen I'm getting tried of waiting why is Nintendo EU doing this to us!?
@Splatburst just waiting for the beeping release date!
Nice review and nice score! I have yet to finish Awakening, but I am near the end. Of course I also want Fates, and I think I'll go for Birthright. Now Nintendo, when is that European release-date coming up?!
@JaxonH So in other words, hardmode Birthright is still easier than hardmode Conquest. I don't like this at all. I'm a big fan of difficult strategy games but I'm not fan of the art style of Conquest. So now I'm kind of forced to play a game which art style is not to my taste so that I can play a difficulty that is to my taste (outside of the standard difficulty settings).
@Mrrabbitpuncher
Pretty much, yes.
I personally really love the art style- but at least it's just aesthetics you don't like. The models look really good though either way, and the way the camera zooms into the map for each battle is impressive.
Make no mistake, Conquest is way harder than Birthright, but Birthright is no slouch either. I lost 3 units last night on chapter 25 map- 2 were careless mistakes that could have been prevented (but isn't that almost always the case, right?).
But ya, it's fantastic. I think the art style will grow on you, but if it doesn't, the game is good enough hopefully you won't care too much
I have to admit, when I first played a Fire Emblem game years ago, I was disappointed and avoided the series at that point forward. I'm not sure what I didn't like...perhaps the tactical game aspects, but I kick myself for making a quick judgement call on the game and the series in it's entirety. Now, being a little more appreciative of the tactical/RPG elements, I picked up Birthright and am finding it one of the BEST games in my 3DS library! I'm glad I decided to give this game a go...I have not been disappointed and I believe this is my new favorite franchise....
@JaxonH
Hey buddy, I've just been perusing the comments here and it would appear that when it comes to Fire Emblem, you're something of an expert. With that in mind, I wonder if I might ask you a quick question?
I've currently got a whisker over £40 burning a hole in my virtual eShop pocket, and I'm not sure whether to pick up Fates (Birthright) or Awakening. Hopefully, that's where you come in!
With the exception of Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam Bros and the Animal Crossing games, the two Fire Emblem games are the only first-party 3DS titles that I don't yet own. And with Fates scheduled to finally arrive in EU territories this next week, it's high time I choose which of Intelligent Systems' much loved strategy RPG's to pick up!
I'm guessing that there's not a lot between them, but if you were in my shoes, which game would you go with? Also, considering they are separated by three years, is there much difference in terms of graphics and performance, etc?
Any advice you can offer would be very much appreciated. Thanks a lot, man
@xxAcesHighxx
Hmmm, that's a tough choice. Birthright has, by far, the best gameplay. The pairing system in Awakening was kind of broken in favor of the player, but they nailed it in Fates. It's gameplay perfection.
The maps are better in Birthright too, although Conquest is far better, FAR better, than both. The thing is, the characters and story in Fates kinda suck compared to Awakening.
I'd say go with Awakening and here's why. The maps aren't quite as good and the gameplay hasn't yet been perfected like it has in Fates, but the story as characters just have that likability and gravitational pull, and will do well to entice you into the series. And the emotional moments hit hard around chapter 9 and 10.
The unbalanced pairing system works in your favor as a new player. So that's actually an advantage I think. Then once you've played Awakening you'll appreciate the balanced system in Fates.
Get Awakening. But I'd also recommend getting Fates- and not just Birthright. Conquest truly had the most amazing maps and objectives I've ever seen, and after playing Awakening and Birthright you'll be able to handle Conquest (at least, on Casual).
It's really hard telling someone to not play Fates first- with its impressive top down map zoom into battle (it's awesome seeing the camera swoosh down to ground level from the map, and see characters fight on landscape that matches the overview map- a seemless transition between the two), and it's perfectly balanced pairing system, and incredible map layouts... But it just won't hook you as a new player the way Awakening will.
I hope that helps. Awakening first, but you'll be dying to play Fates once you finish Awakening I think. And don't write off Conquest- it's maps and objectives are best in the series- it's also the toughest in the series but it does have a casual mode (heck, even has a Pheonix mode but you don't wanna use that).
@JaxonH Thanks so much for the advice, man! Especially for taking the trouble to carefully explain how Awakening's story and characters will help pull me into the series as a new player. I'll definitely go with Awakening then. The best bit is I won't have to wait a whole week before diving in! Thanks again!
ok, at least they have feet now
Got my copy today - will take some time, though, until I get down to it
11/10 to me.
I just saw the Nintendo Life score in a trailer titled "Fire Emblem Fates - Fight for Your Family (Nintendo 3DS)" on the Nintendo UK channel
I can't believe this is only a 9 . ..
I love Fire Emblem Awakening, I consider it one of the best 3DS games if not the best. I want Fates, the three paths, but I won't pay €90 not including any DLC, sorry Nintendo, but I won't, I'm not rich. I will wait for a sale.
I dropped when they switched to a 3-game setup. Having to buy 2 copies and one DLC to experience the whole thing isn't for me. I don't support this and I never will, games like Bayonetta 2 and Star Fox Zero did a lot better by including a second game in the package for the default MSRP. That is fair to customers. This is not.
Pokémon is fine because you don't have to play both in order to fully enjoy it, you're choosing between a few exclusives which can be acquired by trading later. You pay $40 for the full game.
I hope the series don't stick with this marketing strategy in next installments.
Managed to get an SE at my local GAME - they had one in stock, I'm so lucky
I'm really enjoying it so far and the music is very nice, I'm slow however and bad at strategy games, but it's still super fun nonetheless!
Man...I want Special Edition, but no luck at all with that...I am so sad...
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