
Fire Emblem Fates, whether deservedly so or not, has prompted debate recently over its localisation. This has revolved around the 'Skinship' mechanic which has been referenced as a 'petting' minigame. Quotes from Nintendo stating that it had been removed made way very recently to suggestions that it's actually included, so we set our reviewer, Jon Wahlgren, the task of clarifying once and for all how it works in the game.
His explanation is below, explaining when 'Skinship' features and what it involves in the North American build of the game.
In my own run I just reached an 'S' relationship with a character (prompting marriage) and that sort of changed how the Private Quarters area worked.
Typically, you can select Invite Ally into your Private Quarters with the hopes of boosting your relationship. What then happens is you get a POV (point of view) close-up of the invitee and they say some canned line about friendship. There is no 'petting' involved in non-S relationships.
When you S-ship, there's a new Private Quarters option called "Bond," which is basically the same as Invite Ally but with a heart meter that tracks how often you've bonded with them. Every so often on this meter some kind of event triggers. The first (and only) event I've seen so far was my S-ship fell asleep so I poked them awake on the touchscreen.
There might be more events that require more poking and prodding, but I haven't gotten to them yet. You can only Bond with your S-ship every so often (there's a day/night cycle it follows), so the pace isn't particularly quick.
My understanding is that in the Japanese version anyone you invite to your quarters would get the same hands-on treatment. That isn't the case for the Western version since touch is limited to your spouse unit. There are remnants of the free-for-all since you can still get the same POV close-up of any ally you invite to your quarters, but that's it.
As Nintendo previously made clear, the ability to strengthen relationships through Private Quarters conversations hasn't been removed in North America, and it seems logical that the direct touching is limited to a spouse. It's not the case - it can be argued - that the whole 'petting' concept has been removed (this is rated 'Teen' by ESRB, for reference) but is only available when married to the other character.
In any case, we suspect that Nintendo's previous comments about removing the feature (made to Kotaku and others) related to the general practice, but the drilled down detail is that it remains in place for specific circumstances.
Localisation always sparks debate, though at least there's clarity in what has and has not been included in Fire Emblem Fates.
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People really get upset over such little thing.. but thanks to this info people with shut up or they will whine more.... hope for best i guess.
I'll wait here for the people coming to complain over such a silly feature.
Anyone want some popcorn?
Remember kids: you can still creepily caress your waifus all you want, they just won't react to it.
So basically... I get to pat my spouse on the head and say "there there"? Perfect. I am content.
@BlatantlyHeroic I actually do that IRL.
I have nothing else to contribute.
@Wireware
Can I have some? This is going to be interesting
Playing as Corrin in Smash Bros has me super pumped for this game. I don't give a darn about petting or skinship! I just want to play the game.
To quote Pit from Kid Icarus: Uprising. Someone needs a better Q&A department. If the petting was available only to s tier ladies, the answer would've handled a bit better. Instead of the assumption that there's none at all. Never the less.
Fire-emblem Amie Anyone?
@WireWare Extra butter please.
Glad to know Nintendo doesn't encourage open relationships. Way to go Nintendo, I'm glad you still think it's the 50s where everyone is straight and wants a perfect nuclear family and everyone is treated like an innocent little flower.
Thanks for the confirmation on the changes. I wonder what other bonding events there are?
@BlueNitrous Not being loyal to whoever you're with and leading other people on is immoral no matter which way you look like it.
Also, people play games to get away from some of the harsh trauma current life can bring. Betrayl and love triangles are certainly two of those things that people want to get away from, especially after a breakup.
@BlueNitrous and how exactly would they go about explaining open relationships in a productive way through a video game to the masses of young people who will play?
@BlueNitrous well you can enter into a homosexual relationship. That's undeniably progress, especially from the Tomodatchi Life debacle a couple of years ago.
People talk more about this trivial feature than the game itself.
I can't wait to play. I've been waiting for this game so long- ever since that very first trailer, I've been chomping at the bit for it.
9 more days... just 9 more.
I'd still prefer to play the game that the developer wanted to make without people deciding that something is inappropriate.
However, these changes aren't too bad. There wouldn't have been as much negativity if this was explained before.
Can't we call it Petting instead of Skinship omg. It's like a boat made from flesh, or a cult group of sorts that I'm trying not to think about.
Basically "Skinship" with the stylus is still completely removed from the game but there are some events with S-Rank relationships in which you still use the stylus, but it's not "Skinship".
@Dankykong
I could be wrong but I believe the term "Skinship" comes from the game "LovePlus" which has a similar face petting mini game as part of the relationship mechanics. The LovePlus series were Nintendo exclusive dating sim games that were never released outside of Japan.
sigh still no word on the EU release date...
@DarkKirby LovePlus is a better name than the other 2. That's where my vote goes. But that name obviously would never be branded on these for the west.
Okay, I have the JP version and already have 560+ hours on this game. I'm just putting my opinions out here. This petting thing was fun and interesting when I was playing Hoshido and Nohr paths. Because some of them do have funny reactions. It's not like you are having some R18+ conversations. btw, I spent my high school in East Asia. They do tend to be more touchy touchy among friends than some of us. so CLEAN YOUR OWN MIND. But then the fun wore off eventually. I didn't even pet anyone in the 3rd path... FYI, in the JP version, after you get married, you have the exact same thing (asleep and poke them) this article mentioned. But not for normal friends, because they don't sleep in your room come on. So "that in the Japanese version anyone you invite to your quarters would get the same hands-on treatment" is actually a misunderstanding.
However, I do appreciate NoA made this change. It cleared and avoided a lot of unnecessary media gossips. It's a nice move for localization, because, you know, there are culture differences.
This sounds nice.
@Dankykong What you don't want a boat made out of Human Flesh?
The S.S Necronomicon!
@abbyhitter A perfect example of how someone who plans to play the game should feel (or at least would in a perfect world).
It's still really creepy.
It just seems strange to me that people impose real-life codes of monogamy into fantasy games. Whilst I wouldn't want to perform any outright cruel or immoral tasks in video games, I do struggle to see the harm in simulating intimacy with multiple partners! Not that I was ever that interested in Skinship; it's just that the whole "seeing it as a problem" always seemed odd to me.
@Waluigi omg throwing up right now
@RGnsd It's really more double standards than cultural differences. Witcher 3, Dragon Age Inquisition, and the Mass Effect series have much more sexually explicit content than a lot of Japanese games people freak out over here in the west, yet this stuff is what really rustles some jimmies. The art style is my guess for why people think that stuff like Senran Kagura and the petting in Fire Emblem are more questionable than actual sex scenes with visible genitalia. Also it's a game made by Nintendo, so that doubles that controversy as well.
If anything, Nintendo needs to establish a front for the games they want to release, but don't want to soil the family friendly image they keep trying to uphold like what Disney did with Touchstone or Miramax.
So it's acknowledged that two people who are about to become husband and wife actually do engage in physical contact, huh?
My, oh my, it's a step forward!
@MetalKingShield
I agree. It's fiction. Nobody is real life is being hurt. It runs into the same argument that violence in games causes real life violence. I wouldn't kill tons of people to reach a goal unless I thought there was absolutely no other way in real life but I'm not disturbed by the concept of casually killing in a game because it's fiction.
Reminds me of a "The Onion Movie" skit in which they were playing "Who Did It".
[sub]Let's not talk about those things please
~Waluigi [/sub]
@crimsontadpoles I'm more bummed about the stupid name changes and lack of dual audio. Japan has Solid Snake voicing Garon and we get Kanami from the Persona 4 dancing game as Azura/Aqua.
Beyond dubbing, localisation is stupid.
@Royalblues I doubt they put it in days before the review copies went out. It was more than likely a misunderstanding and miscommunication
If the title of the game was not above the article, one would think the discussion was about Nintendogs.
@BRAINFOX well, games like DAI are rated M for reasons. Fire Emblem:if is rated CERO C in Japan, which means the audience should be 15+ years old. And FE:A is rated B (12+ yo). Both Fates and Awakening are rated ESRB Teen (13+ yo) here. That's why I don't think it's double standard. They had to tone it down a lil bit. It's only appropriate to make this kind of change. You can't compare games without looking at their ratings.
@RGnsd thanks for your comment, it gave all I wanted to hear and has eased me over. I am excited for this game and after reading what you said I'm looking forward to it even more. Apricate the clearup bud.
See NoA could have just come out in the beginning and stated this instead of letting the rumor mill work its magic. It seems like NoA is either incompetent or just doesn't care, both of those being pretty bad in their own right.
Its funny how a lot of people like to try and defend Nintendo while also putting down the people who weren't happy with the changes. Calling someone a nerd, creepy, and weebs simply because they think differently about the changes is laughable and speaks volumes of the one calling the names.
Either way I'll either be importing a JP copy or just picking it up used.
@Royalblues ....You have no idea how game development works, do you.
@Zoda_Fett Hahaha you are welcome! I didn't even want to comment anything on FE:Fates because I was afraid I might spoil things unintentionally... But all the talking around this topic just made me sooooo tired. I felt like I should say something since it seems like no one, not even the media, knows what's going on...
Seems fair to me..
@Captain_Toad @WireWare Pass the salt; I love it with mine.
Oh wow this game. I thought this was a bump of the other article at first but wow. I haven't read the comments yet but I hope people are complaining that it hasn't been fully removed.
@JaxonH Yeah, kind of but honestly, people are people, always have been, probably always will be. By that metric, it is Nintendo's own fault. It's 2016, one has to expect they understand how people "tick" and especially how the internet works.
It's not all about reason, perspective, tolerance and wait-and-see ... it's just not.
I'd exchange whatever remnants of this silly mode there are for Japanese audio. Ugh.
@JaxonH Nailed it. Also I can't wait for this game either. Already have Birthright pre downloaded, and I'll get Conquest and Revelation as soon as I can.
@Giygas_95
I just discovered pre-load was live like half an hour ago. Downloading now in fact.
I have so many copies of Fates preordered it's insane (3 special editions, the LE New 3DS XL, 2 physical copies of each side and 2 digital of each side, with Revelations and Map Packs for both).
But I couldn't pass up on that pre-load. I just wish it had a demo like Awakening did- a quick taste would do well to tide me over
Stupid controversy over a stupid feature. Wish it wasn't in the game at all. Also...people's comments...LOL
That's actually a rather GOOD change...for a still rather stupid feature. Still, making it so you only get to touch your spouse makes a bit more sense.
Anyway, Fire Emblem ain't about strategy anymore, so they can shove whateeeeevverr they want into this game. I expect the inevitable Android/iOS/NX Fire Emblem to have fruit catching and yarn ball juggling minigames.
lol. Do I want to be able to pet my boyfriend or girlfriend in a game? well... hmmm... (o_O )
yeah, I guess I would be ok with that, as long as I have a decent pair of headphones so I don't get weird looks on the bus.
@JaxonH Holy cow! Are you ordering for some friends or something?
@Giygas_95
No, this may sound crazy but, here it goes.
One SE to display sealed. One SE to open and display art book and sealed game with all 3 paths. One SE to open completely and put game in case with other game carts.
One physical Birthright and Conquest to display sealed. One of each to open and put carts in case with other games.
And one digital copy of Birthright, Conquest, Revelations and Map Pack 1 for each of my New 3DS (XL and smaller faceplates 3DS) to have access to at all times.
And the Fates XL to display.
@Fidu It's always been my dream.
@JaxonH You must be a pretty hardcore collector! I...don't have that much money unfortunately!
Still a lousy feature, but at least it's present in some form as to dissuade the whiners. Limiting it to your spouse does remove a bit of the creepy factor.
@Giygas_95
Moderate collector. Hard core Fire Emblem fan
@JaxonH I wish I had a SE, but I heard they were all sold out. I'm just gonna download the other two paths since I like having things digitally. By the way, which FE games have you played? I've played all, but only beaten 6,7, and 13. I'm close to beating 8, but I keep getting distracted.
@Giygas_95
I own all 13 games, in English, and have played at least 1 chapter of all of them. I played a few chapters of Geneology of the Holy War, and have almost beaten Fire Emblem (GBA). Played a good bit of Binding Blade and Sacred Stones, a portion of Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, about 6 chapters of Shadow. Dragon, and completely finished Awakening and am working on 2nd play through.
I've played through Awakening a whole bunch of times myself. Also played through 7 twice (second time was to set up my play through of FE6. I want to play the Tellius games, but they just feel kind of boring to me...Maybe because the art style doesn't appeal to me (miss those GBA sprites).
@Giygas_95
Get $5 off either or each Fire Emblem Fates DLC pack, Revelations or Map Pack 1, with purchase of any copy of FE Fates.
A good deal if you're looking to buy Revelations or Map Pack 1. Last I checked a glitch was preventing the discount with digital copies of Birthright and Conquest but it may be fixed now. If anything order the bundle for $60 with a physical copy of one and download code for the other.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/clp/fire-emblem-bundle-offer/pcmcat748301713227.c?id=pcmcat748301713227&ref=199&loc=FKSJxY2VJAk&acampID=1&siteID=FKSJxY2VJAk-ALgoMzXJiuGxxcF2VHEPwg
Just to keep it fresh in the comments, the feature outlined here is different from the petting, not a new replacement for it.
The featured comment in the article at Siliconera addressing this sums it up well:
"It's a different feature. When you are married sometimes your spouse will be asleep in your quarters. You can just tap their face a little bit to wake them up. It's not the same as the regular petting, which includes dialogue during and after. For waking up, there's no dialogue when you do it and then the characters say something (text-only) about how rough you were with waking them up. So it's not partially removed, the normal skinship is out but it seems the marriage-related activities are still in the game the same way they were in the JP version."
So it's only your lover you touch? That's actually way better than the Japanese version. The idea of getting handsy with someone you're not romantically entwined with is really creepy. Imagine your friend invites you over to play Smash Bros. and when you're talking to them they start caressing your face for no reason. I'd be making a b-line for the exit.
Oh, well that's fine if it's only limited to married couples.
@JaxonH =/ Are you the guy that bought all the Rosalina Amiibo?
@BlatantlyHeroic go outside. Meet people and make friends. Real life proves you couldn't be more wrong.
Also, your reason for playing games shows some trauma alright.
@Lizuka watch out for Nintendo white knights. This actually being censored/cut makes it look like it's GTA level of bad, when it's actually pretty harmless thing to have fun with.
@WireWare
Gotta love the internet eh?
I still can't believe there was "uproar" over this... I mean, I'm excited about the gameplay and story. Shipping was fun in Awakening, but it isn't supposed to be the main draw of the series...
Whatever floats people's boats, I guess...
Couldn't care less about this controversial bullsh!t, I just want to play Fire Emblem.
@RGnsd
Hey RG!
Seeing that you have already poured out so many hours into this upcoming game (for the vast majority) I was wondering if you also played/are playing Awakening.
If so, would you recommend Fates to someone who hasn't played Awakening? Or would such a leap between two titles cause confusion to a newcomer to the series?
Thanks in advance!
Shouldn't have been in the game to begin with. Such a stupid stir over nothing.
@TomJ IDK what VC stands for, other than the virtual console and venture capital but I doubt that's what you're referring to. Either way I couldn't care less whether people are sick of hearing about: NoA being incompetent, Nintendo fans rabidly defending Nintendo and insulting those who criticize the company's actions, or me ordering the superior version or buying used.
I didn't say them leaving this in with married couples was bad either.
@BlatantlyHeroic So things in which people have experienced trauma irl shouldn't be in games? Well, that's going to kill off at least 95% of video games that have been made. While games can help people get through trauma, they shouldn't be created as some kind of coping mechanism. Sure some games can be made like that, but people should in no way expect the majority of video games to keep that kind of content out of games.
@thatguyEZ I'm just saying that there are people that play games to get away from the depressing reality of things. Also, if you're the type that does open relationships, you can just decide not to achieve S rank with anyone. It's really that simple. It's not mandatory to marry someone in this game. It's just a bonus.
If you want a dark and dreary reality simulator full of immorality and grey areas everywhere, Fallout is the franchise for you. I'd recommend New Vegas, but if you're just looking to have fun with simple mechanics Fallout 4 is pretty okay too.
As a parent of kids who are coming up to the confusing puberty part of life, I would be miffed if I found out that they were playing a game in which they were encouraged to build relationships with other people by inviting them into their bedroom and then rubbing them down. However, Nintendo could have gotten around that by providing the option to disable the skinship features.
As a gamer, I would probably never use that feature anyway. It has nothing to do with personal morals. It is more that I never take advantage of the "relationship building" mechanics of any game. I am there to kill monsters, grab loot and save the world. I am not there to try and pick-up the female party members.
All the time people spent on the internet banishing on western localization before a game's release was for nothing... again. Some "fan" or gamers are really pessimistic about the thing they love these days, especially against people who are neutral (ie don't care either way) about this type of stuff.
I guess there's nothing to complain about anymore. Wouldn't be needing this bucket of popcorn.
@ultraraichu Except how, y'know, this article is wrong, the petting feature's still just removed, and the feature they're describing is a related-but-different thing that was always in the game. But people would have to actually read the comments to know that.
@BlatantlyHeroic And I can understand that, I'm just saying that simply because something in a game mirrors a part of human nature that isn't very nice, doesn't mean it should be taken out of the game. And quite frankly if a bit of face rubbing caused someone to relive their traumas I'd tell them to grow a thicker skin, as they would be unable to function in society in that state.
New Vegas > Fallout 4. While 4 wasn't bad per se, there were a bunch of little things in it that just put me off of it after maybe 15ish hours(dialogue system, no skill trees, perks weren't very interesting, etc.). I haven't even finished the main storyline yet, but I really don't have any desire to go back to do it. I loved 3 and New Vegas and I know I spent 250+ hours in Skyrim, and likely similar numbers in Morrowind and Oblivion, so me spending only 15-20 in Fallout 4 is really kind of sad imo.
@ultraraichu. Well it's not like NoA and Treehouse have given people reasons to trust them with localizations. I really got worried about Fates after the Fatal Frame and Xenoblade debacles. And to be fair the face touching is still out, along with The Soliel support conversation(which people who can actually read Japanese, myself included, will tell you wasn't about gay conversion/drugging), and dual audio(though there are licensing issues that could've caused this, though I would argue Nintendo always knew the game was coming west and should have written the contracts with the Japanese VAs to reflect that).
@Blynyork Yeah I own several FE titles! For someone who haven't played Awakening before, playing Birthright before playing any other paths is probably better. It gets you familiar with the system. Not to mention in Fates, you can always set your difficulty lower if you want to. In general I think Fates is actually a better choice for first-time players due to more balanced weapon and battle system and great graphics. ;P
@Fee
Just one Rosalina, but you don't want to know how many Lucina's, Robin's, Ike's and Marth's I bought.
The only problem I have with this, is that the weird face touching just doesn't fit into a mainline FE game.
Fire Emblem games are tactical strategy RPGs about wars where people actually permanently die...so adding this just seemed like a waste of resources they could have used for something more theme and genre appropriate.
It was one thing to include a feature like this in Poke'Mon where you pet your little Pikachu or Zigzagoon on the head like a puppy...but why this in a more serious game about war?
That's my issue, this was a bad idea to include in any version or any region.
They should have developed this as a seperate E-shop app, so people could pay $20 to pervy-touch their favorite FE character's faces...then sold us the full game instead of two separate SKUs broken into a weird day-1 DLC scheme.
woot! i'm fine with that. it adds something extra to my plans.
my plan was sitting in public with my 3ds on my lap, screen facing away from me, so people can see me petting the old man as i breath heavily. and now that it's exclusive to spouses it means i dedicated a save to earn the right to stroke the wrinkly king.
i'm gonna start ignoring everything kotaku is involved with though. i'm not familiar with them but they seemed misleading. are they the fox news of gaming?!
@FX29 It's like an unhealthy relationship. Everytime I go there, I get out either unsatisfied, angry, saddened, or losing faith in humanity.
And yet I still come back.
@WireWare
I get yeah, it's too tempting to not take a look. Especially when people over react.
@Blynyork I was playing one of the DLCs a few hours ago and realized three of them are actually related to Awakening... Two of them are actually pretty interesting and important if you want to figure out what happened before the Fates story. But I guess since it's DLC, it's optional and you can always go back to play them. The main storyline/gameplay won't be affected if you've never played FE:A before.
@RGnsd
Awesome! Thank you so much for getting back to me so thoroughly and quickly!
I might purchase the new Fire Emblem then, but it is still something I will consider.
Thanks again for your valuable input!
@BlatantlyHeroic That isn't true. In order to cheat, you have to do something against the agreement of the relationship you have with your partner. Things like being with another person are considered cheating IF your partner doesn't agree with it, like in any monogamy.
In open relationships your partners are aware of the situation and there's no lying involved so there's nothing immoral about it. As long as everyone agrees and they are aware of the situation, there's nothing wrong about it so it does matter how you look at it. If you still consider it immoral it would be only from your perspective and you are free to think whatever you want, but opinions should have logic behind them to be considered seriously. While it isn't the most common conduct in society, it deserves to be acknowledged as a valid decision that makes some people happy without hurting anyone, wich would happen if you force someone that doesn't want that kind of commitment and ends up hurting his/her partner by cheating.
I don't have an open relationship, I just wanted to share my perspective with you since you mentioned it.
@BRAINFOX OMG yes. Never understood what the issue was about when you have bioware's awkward sex scenes in all their games (not knocking the romance...just the animation (and some of the dialogue)... lol and bras in showers...shudders) and no one harps about how that takes away from the series being a rpg/cover shooter hybrid.
Yet many "veterans" are acting as if the relationship aspects are not just an evolution of an existing theme in FE games or that they somehow take away from the Tactical aspect which is the core focus of the game...
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