While it's impossible to escape the somewhat shady nature of emulation - especially when you're talking about modern-day systems - we've kept a keen eye on developments in recent years. Wii emulation is at the point where games can be given a lush HD lick of paint, while Wii U emulation is progressing at a respectable pace as well.
Now it's the turn of the 3DS, and emulator Citra has come on leaps and bounds lately. Putting aside the questionable legal nature of running ROMs on such a program - it's certainly not something we would condone given that Nintendo needs every penny it can get from sales right now - it's hard not to be impressed by how amazing these titles look when presented in glorious HD.
The 3DS is, of course, quite an old system now and was arguably technically outdated the moment it was released, but its games still have the power to thrill from a visual perspective - even more so when you see them running in HD.
As you can see from the gallery below (click to enlarge each image), even quite early 3DS games like Pilotwings Resort and Super Mario 3D Land look positively gorgeous when upscaled via the emulator, although overall performance is still very much a work in progress. Given that NX is rumoured to be a hybrid system that will fuse Nintendo's handheld and domestic markets, could we possibly see 3DS games given the HD treatment on that console? These screenshots give a tantalising glimpse of a potential future.
[source citra-emu.org]
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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we see HD ports of 3DS games either to plug this giant, ominous, only black void....
Sorry forgot what I was saying...
I want Kid Icarus HD
I wish 3DS had a higher resolution screen. Then again, if 3DS had better resolution, these games wouldn't look this good unless the system also had a better processor etc.
I can't see a reason why one game download or card can't be inserted into a home or handheld machine and play with similar graphics.
We can do this with Blu-ray DVD's.
Who would have thought a few years ago that Smartphones would over take handheld consoles graphic wise.
HD ports of 3DS games already exist: Monster Hunter 3 U, Resident Evil: Revelations, and Castlevania: Mirrors of Fate HD come to mind.
Citra is an exciting emulator. The 3DS, like the DS, is held so far back by its resolution capabilities.
Another example of how people who do this only in their spare time can do great things without access to the inner workings of the operating system. Yet Nintendo, who have people working on this full time as their job, with all the information they need, still claim it's too hard to implement certain features than the hobbyists have already done.
Would be great if we could play 3DS carts upscaled on NX, but that's not Nintendo's style. They'll make us buy them again digitally.
@A01 Most people don't pay 500 for their phones. Or rather, they don't pay that upfront.
Stunning
It really is a pretty amazing accomplishment, I'm looking forward to what they can achieve yet.
Right now though the emulator is in a really user unfriendly state, trying to get your own dumped roms to run is a nightmare, if they will run at all.
This is fantastic, I can't wait to give it a try. I own hundreds of 3DS games legally so I should be allowed to mess around with it.
Notice how many aspects make the transition really well, but a few don't work so great going to HD. That's how you know what the genuinely good and timeless art & design is and what the not so great art & design is imo. So, some of the textures are clearly meh for example, and they basically always have been (blurry and/or garish and generic patterns), but most of the simpler and cleaner polygon stuff works really well going to HD.
Random example: This is how I know that if you basically ran the original SNES Star Fox in full HD at 60fps, and added an "infinite" polygon engine just so there was not visible popup of any stuff in the levels, it would almost certainly look brilliant, or at least really cool, even as simple as all the geometry is. The "superior" N64 Star Fox, not so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8dxLr_xVv4 (Try to visualise it. . . .)
PS. The odds are that Nintendo simply will not give you what you are hoping for, in terms of expecting HD versions of 3DS games on NX, so you probably shouldn't even remotely get your hopes up for such a thing happening. Even the homebrew guys are far more likely to deliver that kind of thing than Nintendo these days when it comes to going that extra mile. Or, maybe we could put Sega's AM2 team on it, because that's a team that actually appears to give a proper **** when it comes to going above and beyond basic expectations. Nintendo, not so much these days imo.
@KoopaTheGamer Who doesn't wish that? But still, the games we've got for the system are great, and plenty. I'm very satisfied with it, unlike the Wii U.
Nintendo will only do what's financially viable otherwise they will go bankrupt, hobbyists work for free, that's why unfortunately we won't ever see 3DS carts slotting into a home console for upscaling. Unless... they make a profitable upscaling adaptor for the NX... Make it happen!
@A01 of course they do. They actually pay more if they buy it on a plan. But most people don't understand that. And therefore they don't perceive it as expensive. I am a bit surprised Microsoft didn't try and do that with the xbone.
I would have bought every DS game in the Wii U eShop if Nintendo bothered to render them at full HD. Even with low polygon models and undetailed textures, many DS games look pretty amazing when running natively at high resolutions.
@Peach64
Well that's because Nintendo are constrained by hardware. Emulation is run by software so you can add anything you want.
Dolphin running Wii games in full HD is more impressive, textures in 3DS games are too low res and blurry. Upscaling it makes it even worse.
Will anyone actually miss the 3D effect though if there were HD remakes of 3DS games? I think I would.
@JTMnM Thanks for the examples, although when you mention those titles I'm not really that excited by 3DS ports.
Kid Icarus Uprising HD on Wii U or NX would be awesome. I found the controls really difficult on 3DS.
Another proof that people need to stop whining about graphics. Even 3DS games look good, it's just that in 2011, nobody would have been ready to invest in a handheld capable of doing this. A lot of people were already complaining about both the price and the battery life back then, remember?
Good luck marketing a 400¤ handheld with a 80 min battery life.
(cough) Game Gear (cough cough)
With all the backlash and the "graphicwhorism", I'm afraid next gen will drop 3D in favor of resolution. Then, we will have lost one of the main innovations (if not the only innovation) of the generation, once again. While, 3D movies and 3D gaming on other platforms is failing hard, Nintendo actually did it right IMO. It would be a shame to move back.
Personally, I'd be more than happy to move from 400x240 to 800x480. The 3DS doesn't have a resolution as low as people make it sound to be. 480 lines would give a normal size 3DS a DPI similar to what modern smartphones have. Sure, that would still be low for a XL variant.
i'd love to see hd remakes of 3ds games but not before hd remakes of some non-Zelda gc games
I wish they would bring out a 3DS adaptor for the wii u so you could put 3ds games in and play them on a big screen much like the gamecube adaptor did when it came out.
I was always disappointed that they went with very low res screens for the 3DS. Those screenshots show that the 3DS really is capable of showing better graphics than the screen can display. Especially the Mario Kart screenshot has way more detail than you could see on a 3DS's screen.
3DS resolution has always been an issue, and the poor pixels per pinch rate is ridiculous. Take Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate for example, a really beautiful game, and it's hard to see what are those objects ahead when the resolution of the screen is so poor.
@zool Smartphones are also $500 on average, we just don't see the cost because it is subsidized in out $50+ phone bills.
Kid Icarus: Uprising in HD... I need this in my life.
@NintyFan
Kid Icarus would look gorgeous in HD and a dual analog control scheme as well.
Honestly I feel like Nintendo could benefit from a push from the freeware community as they've seemingly been slacking on the VC front. It's hard to justify a $9.99 glorified Rom when the actual Rom can be gotten for free. 4-5 bucks tops on VC titles honestly.
VC aside, time and time again we have to use the phrase "for a wii/wii u/3ds game" when we say a game looks good. I'm hoping one day Nintendo makes a system that can just have good looking games regardless of what the other systems offer. It is possible to be affordable and relatively powerful so long as you don't try to shoehorn more gimmicks.
@Luna-Harmony
That's not an adapter. That's literally a second console that you attach to your home console. The Wii U was never designed to run 3DS games, neither was the GC capable of running GBA games.
Also, this would not render the games in a definition higher than 400x240 anyway.
But I wish the next home console could be designed from the start to run handheld games as well.
@VanillaLake you can buy high end Smartphones fo half that price and then take a sim only contract very cheap. And even if the 3ds cost as much as a home console it would sell along side an the existing 3ds.
As some people have already stated, I would too miss the 3D effect if it were to be absent from the next system (and unfortunately I think it will); it's just such an amazing innovation!
But the worst part is that if it won't be featured again it will have passed by without people really noticing it, because how many people who don't own it or read gaming articles know what a 3DS is? Of course it's sold pretty well (50 mil+ really is a lot for the current market and current Ninty), but I, for example, know 2 people who own a 3DS. And one is a child. My friends for the most part don't know what a 3DS is or have heard the name before and that's it. A month ago I was on a plane and I started talking to a guy sitting next to me (we didn't know each other) and while I was playing the DS, he complained he didn't have movies to watch nor other stuff to do. So I gave him my 3DS with SM3DL and.... you should have seen his face when I turned the 3D on. Heck, he was utterly enraptured. He couldn't believe it. And yeah, it happens to me too when I use it after a long time.
So, all this wall of text serves just to complain once again about Nintendo's abysmal marketing. If the world knew (or, better, saw) the glasses-free 3D effect, I believe everyone would be amazed, because it IS that awesome. Well, at least in this case Ninty has the excuse that it can't be shown through videos but only experienced first hand, but I think they could have done better.
@FX29 to be honest I don't think dual analog would work with KIU, as it's very fast paced and requires precision too. I think the ideal control scheme for that game would be the Wii remote pointer. I'd give a kidney and half my liver to be able to play that gem in HD with pointer controls.
@NintyFan big time loved that game i always thought a hd upgrade on wii u would have been perfect.
Oh neat! I hope Nintendo doesn't take this down.
@clvr
The pointer controls would work great for the flying sections since you can just point and shoot. But the land sections would be a different story. Regardless KI Uprising is one of the best 3DS games and it deserves an HD remake or sequel.
Honestly, the next handheld doesn't need to able to produce much better graphics than this. The worst thing about 3DS visuals is the atrocious 240p resolution.
@zool "Who would have thought a few years ago that Smartphones would over take handheld consoles graphic wise."
They haven't. Games on smartphones look nowhere near as good as on the 3DS. Yes, they may push more polygons, bigger textures and output at a higher resolution, but that's hardly what constitutes better graphics.
Most of games gorgeously work and some game dont... like pokemon it's stuck between battle and random encounters i test this citra on high end pc or Laptop gamers... i love this emulator by seeing the update from developer it's given more extendable Graphics and some off shaders in citra emulator
Self ripping ROMs is 100% legal.
@LemonSlice you need a better Smartphone.
Here's a thought. If the gamepad was compatible with the NX, would that hinder wii U sales?
This and every other example of running a 3D game at higher resolution is why I'm repeatedly disappointed with Nintendo's VC lineup...they need to have the emulators run 3D games in HD resolution, even if just emulating, as it would make N64, GCN, Wii, DS, and 3DS games look vastly better!
@clvr KIU plays just fine with the circle pad pro, so there's no reason why it wouldn't work with dual analog.
@LemonSlice @RoomB31 @A01 @zool Even a €100 unlocked smartphone has a much better screen: better contrast and brightness, much higher resolution and much higher ppi. Also, Vita screen is much better. Don't read me wrong, sure the 3DS is a great handheld and I prefer its library compared to Vita's, but the screen sucks. Hopefully next one is better.
@Luna-Harmony Why doesn't this exist
@VanillaLake The top screen on the New 3DS XL has excellent contrast, color and dimming technology. Not to mention that it is an autostereoscopic 3D display.
I would love to see how Super Smash Bros For 3DS look upscaled.
Amazing work! 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 probably look the best, in my opinion. Wish Kid Icarus was here.
@Savino Literally nothing was changed besides the resolution. They would look exactly like this if the 3DS had higher resolution screens. If you don't like how that looks, then you dislike how the games look themselves. What you see here is what the developers see when they make the games. In truth, the upscaled resolution is closer to their true vision for the games. The only time they deal with the lower resolution is when they test it out on the hardware.
@wazlon Castlevania is actually really good. lol
They look... okay.
Let's be real here, the lighting and polygon count for 3DS games is FAR from impressive, a larger resolution just makes it more noticeable.
Here's to hoping the next handheld generation will be in HD. They'll need to do that to compete with the mobile market anyways.
Looks like Gamecube
@FX29
I agree with all the comments about having a Kid Icarus HD but I absolutely loved the controls!! Would want a remake or sequel (whenever it happens) to have the touch controls, even on land, where they worked really well for precise aiming, more precise than I have aimed with dual analog.
Maybe something like Splatoon's gyroscope based controls if not the touchscreen rather than plain old dual-analog.
On another note, getting those last few achievements is tough....
Very pretty. I feel like the Wii U should've marketed itself as a system that plays, and/or upscales, your 3DS/DS games but that's another time and place that never happened. I sure hope the NX is a portable/home console despite Nintendo's debunkings.
@Sakuraichu If the games are protected against copy and you had to break this security to "dump" it, then it's illegal.
@Rei please tell me the last time you heard someone get fined/arrested for dumping an iso/rom
@LasermasterA
Yeah once you got use to the controls the game plays really well. But if we ever get a remake/sequel I want to have at least the option of dual analogue mainly for comfort reasons.
@Sakuraichu True. But I never said the opposite. I only reacted to the "fact" it was 100% legal when it is only under certain circumstances. (not saying I'm a saint, I backed up most of my encrypted video DVDs myself)
@LemonSlice Not the best contrast and brightness compared to any other mobile device screen. Plus the resolution is very low: 400x240 for each eye and the pixels per inch is as low as 95. Of course, the 3D is there, it's the main selling point.
@FX29
I guess the option might be good to have, but I still believe that despite the learning curve, the stylus controls were amazing and shouldn't be omitted.
@VanillaLake "any other mobile device screen."
Plenty of cheapos out there with TN displays still. Besides are you looking at the exact model? The New 3DS XL has a much better (top) display than the other models in the family. As far as resolution goes... I don't find it a problem, a problem would be a pronounced screen door effect, which the 3DS doesn't suffer from. Nothing wrong with being a little pixelated if the games are so good and so good looking.
@LemonSlice That is just your opinion.
Woah never seen this before its coooool i need to see this done with more games
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