Blast Ball had a peculiar reveal and presence in recent weeks. It first appeared in the Nintendo World Championships without Metroid branding, and was then revealed in the E3 Digital Event to be part of Metroid Prime: Federation Force, the divisive 3DS title in development by Next Level Games. It'll serve as both a side-mode with full 3 vs. 3 local and online multiplayer in the game, but also as the tutorial for the main campaign. It's also been the part of Federation Force shared with the press both in LA and at a subsequent event we attended in London.
Tom Whitehead and Anthony Dickens sat down to take each other on in a Blast Ball match, and share their thoughts below.
Anthony Dickens
As it's not a game in its own right, it is difficult to know how to approach Metroid Prime: Blast Ball. I'm a big fan of Metroid Prime, I'm a big fan of football, so this game should take 2 and 2 to make 5, right? Kind of… 5 was actually the number of minutes the game held my interest.
The controls were easy enough to get the hang of, however the game itself was simply a battle of constant button spamming leaving very little room for any tactics or variety of gameplay. I felt like even my finest firing had minimal effect on the lumbering sphere as we slowly edged it towards the opposition goal. Yes, charge shots had more impact, but it still felt laborious and with all players taking the same approach it quickly felt like an evenly matched tug-of-war, with both teams making little to no progress and settling for stalemate.
It's emerged that Blast Ball also serves as a tutorial environment for Federation Force, and that's probably for the best. The game would need a significant amount of work to be able to stand on its own merits, even for a budget eShop download. This certainly isn't the beautiful game.
Tom Whitehead
In terms of the gameplay I'm pretty much in agreement with Anthony, and Morgan made similar points in his own way in our First Impressions of Blast Ball. The controls are functional, but when a group of competent gamers are battling it out it can be a tedious button mashing frenzy. The ball is too heavy and immovable, frankly, and regardless of tactics and charge shots moments of fun and spontaneous movements are exceptionally rare. It was a case of move, hold L and tap the attack button as quickly as possible, over and over again, while power-ups didn't do enough to shake it up.
As a mini-game it's acceptable, if on the low side of the quality spectrum, and I hope Nintendo doesn't try to spin it off into an eShop title (like with the Kirby: Triple Deluxe minigames) unless it's improved a lot. My frustration, though, is that this is what was shared of Federation Force. This is a game that's already having a tough time in the court of public opinion, and frankly Nintendo's put its weakest foot forward.
A good demo to share would probably have been the second mission in the Treehouse video below (skip to about 15 minutes in), which is a battle with Space Pirates. You know, something Prime-like.
Blast Ball, though, is just a poor first impression. Its only redeeming factor is a decent set of visuals, but I'd had enough about half way through our five minute match. I would rather have been fighting space pirates, shooting down ships and tackling monsters, which I'm sure is what Federation Force is really all about.
My impression is that Nintendo thinks Blast Ball could have hit the spot with observers and press with quick bursts of frantic fun. Perhaps with better physics, stronger mechanics and enticing design it would have, but I was left wanting more of the real game, not its spin-off.
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Can we forgive Metroid Other M after Federation Force?
Other M and FF are basically the Metroid vesions of Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom
i want somebody to ask nintendo directly, "do you agree that Other M was a bad game, and that Federation Force isn't helping the metroid brand recover"
@TSB Gameplaywise Other M was fine it was only the story that blew, people poop on the game too much.
@TSB Well, I mean, perhaps in terms of popularity, but as far as I know neither of the Metroid games are riddled with glitches and similar issues. Also Federation Force hasn't even been released, so I think it's a bit early for that judgement.
Ha. Don't expect anything good to come out of this trashy game. I'm confident the Federation Force half of it is just as bad as Blast Ball.
I really can't believe this is what they decided to call Metroid. The fans want Metroid, and there are tons of developers out there who would love to make a classic 2D metroid, and I don't understand why Nintendo isn't one of them.
@sWiTcHeRoO That's a bit harsh don't you think. Very little is known of the game's campaign and it's not even out yet, so it's not very fair to call it trashy.
@Captain_Gonru They look like cartoon Transformers knock-offs.
This looks worse every time I see this, it looks like a cheap mobile game rip off with its unnecessarily chunky characters and N64 style fogging. Quite why they feel the need to slap the Metroid name on this I have no idea. In fact several of the games shown at E3 showed a disturbing lack of quality
Only Nintendo has balls to release a demo like this.
It's almost as if Nintendo wants to destroy its brand intentionally? I just don't understand their strategy lately. Their console is great. Not bad considering it's their first Crack at HD but their games lately are lackluster and some are downright garbage. Their marketing is horrible and next to non existent.
@carlos82 I disagree. To me, in my opinion most of the shown games looked to be decent quality.
@carlos82 It's true, Nintendo of late looks confused and undecided. Ever since their mobile and NX announcement, they cancelled Zelda, introduced some lacklustre games and don't seems to care. Either they are hiding a trump card and doing a poker face to trick their competition or they are seriously going downhill like Apple.
What the hell is this... it surely doesn't deserve to have the 'Metroid' name attached to it!
Seriously, what is Nintendo thinking lately... do they even care anymore? They just don't seem to have any passion or drive anymore
Disappointing. Maybe I shouldn't be looking forward to this game after all. What a shame.
@Aromaiden there were a couple of exceptions sure but this, the Zelda mp game didn't look great, the Animal Crossing board game farce. Even Star Fox looks low budget but with quirky controls, you can't honestly say there were any genuinely great looking first party games on the way just a couple of decent ones at best.
I've been a Nintendo fan for many years and I've noticed a significant decline in their first party games this generation with notable exceptions such as the excellent Mario Kart and the rather nice looking Splatoon which I've yet to play. What else, no new Zelda or Metroid a 3d Mario which felt like a backwards step from Galaxy and a by the numbers New Super Mario Bros game which if we're honest were never as good as Mario Bros 3/world and yet another Yoshi outing that fails to live up to the original
So much unnecessary hatred towards this game. Although I am a bit disappointed in how poor quality Blast Ball appears.
Interesting, because Josh Thomas from The Bit Block loved this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPN0IqdvhF4
I think I'd be leaning more towards the Nae side.
PS. To the guys saying Other M was terrible: It wasn't actually that bad but it was just a bit too gimmicky for its own good imo.
@carlos82 I never really said they were great or game changing. I personally saw most of the games to be decent and have potential.
@carlos82 Amen. The only good thing was Paper Jam, only because I love all the Mario & Luigi games and can trust them with making yet another great addition to the series.
Everything else was uninteresting.
Star Fox Command is like Metroid Other M. Its gameplay was good, but story wise...
@Jazzer94 Hear, hear!
As much as I hate this game from a Metroid perspective, I didn't actually expect it to be that unmotivating from a gameplay standpoint.
However, if this is a tutorial to get the hang of for Federation Force, how much is there to expect in terms of similarities? All in all, I don't get how such obvious issues with Blast Ball went unnoticed by Nintendo... didn't they test this at all? Or did they really think button-mash competition is a good mechanic?
@WaveBoy Dunno. Maybe you see something about him that isn't obvious on the surface. Seems like a nice enough guy to me.
@Captain_Gonru Lmao they really do look like those.
@ekreig Yeah. At this rate I'm starting to think it "may" be a bad spin-off game. Although it may be a bit to early to call.
People... This is bad influence from mobile games.... It's sad
@Nintendian I agree and even the NX sounds confused, they really should have given more details about the NX at E3 because let's face it there is no recovery for the Wii U. The quotes I've seen online suggest it's not necessarily a replacement for their current consoles either and keep mentioning platform and new concept. This coupled with the recent rumour of a launch next year and very ambitious sales figures suggest it may not be a competitor for PS4 in terms of power but something a little more modest yet again, possibly cloud based
@sWiTcHeRoO Judging the game before it even comes out, and calling trashy just because it isn't the normal Metroid.. gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8 out of 8
@earthwormjimx3 Fair point.
I'm fed up with the hate about this game.
People tell Nintendo to branch out with their IP, and when they do, fans complain, write countless hate articles, and start petitions to cancel the game.
I understand everything about Amiibo Festival. I do. But this game actually presents something new and expands the Metroid universe. Why would they expand the universe if they weren't going to make another?
I'm going to buy this game. But I'm not reading any more hate articles.
I'm starting to realize why this was relegated to a tutorial. Here's hoping the actual reason we buy this game is good.
@LilC K
@ManateeBlubber There's nothing wrong with branching out as long as what they do isn't too different from what thousands of fans have been clamoring for for the longest time now. It's just a kick in the face.
I personally won't judge the game until I see more of it or have played it myself, but I could care less about Blast Ball right now.
On terms of Federation Force, it actually looks pretty fun and enjoyable to me. It also seems nothing like the Metroid we know and love. But if I've learned anything about Nintendo recently, it's that they've taken a lot of ideas that I thought were bad and made something amazing and fun out of them. While I still think this game would've been better had they just made a new IP out of it, I'm still willing to try this new "Metroid".
@sWiTcHeRoO Not really. As long as the game itself is fine, then it's perfectly okay, but if the game is terrible and purposely mocks the main series then I can understand people referring to it as a kick to the face.
@Nintendian they didn't cancel Zelda. It's still coming out next year so try to get your facts straight before you comment on stuff you know nothing about.
No it's not a kick in the face. People had too high of an expectation for this years E3 yet again and didn't get what they thought they were entitled to. Me, I was just happy they talked about what is coming out in the next 6-9 months and am willing to give games the benefit of a doubt until they come out and I've played the game. Then I can judge it based on its final design. People like you make me ashamed to be a gamer.
Metroid Prime: Federation Farce continues to dissapoint me.
I'm not interested in football games, so their huge focus on Blast Ball is one thing that is putting me off Metroid FF. If they showed more gameplay from the rest of the game, then I might have had something nice to say about this Metroid game.
Federation Force campaign? Lookin' good.
Blast Ball? Eh, I'll reserve judgment but I'm not hopeful.
@GraveLordXD
All that is true but in the larger scope of the whole game, those were just minor inconveniences in an otherwise enjoyable experience. Ya I wish it used Wiimote/Nunchuk so the Wiimote was already pointing at the TV for missiles. Sure I wish it used a control scheme with more buttons. Absolutely. But does that mean the entire game was garbage because of it? Not a chance. The game was incredibly fun- and I particularly enjoyed the third person view despite my love for Prime. There were a few questionable design choices but that is not enough to bring down an otherwise fun, enjoyable, well-designed Metroid game. In fact I wouldn't mind Team Ninja working on a 2.5D sequel for the 3DS or something
"but it still felt laborious and with all players taking the same approach it quickly felt like an evenly matched tug-of-war, with both teams making little to no progress and settling for stalemate."
That's basically why I don't like watching soccer. 90 minutes of playing and you end up with just a few goals. It sounds like Blast Ball at least captured that aspect.
Blast Ball is something I'd play, but only for a short time. It would probably be okay in local multiplayer, but online it would get boring fast, and I generally don't have 3 other people with 3DS's around to play locally. I'm more interested in the main campaign of Federation Force. At first I thought it was awkward and annoying that the next Metroid wasn't going to star Samus, but now I'm genuinely interested in what they'll do without her.
@WaveBoy I know right...probably my least favorite Metroid next to the original.
Why would they make the charging mechanic involve button mashing instead of holding down the button longer? This is gaming ergonomics 101, here... Maybe if they used a thumb stylus, held instead of mashed, and focused more on hitting opponents instead of an object, it would be more fun...
You know... Like Metroid Prime: Hunters... Why didn't they just make a sequel if they were having trouble with the concepts, seriously?
Hm. That's disappointing. Let's hope Next Level Games polishes this game before release. They've released a lot of good games, so hopefully they aren't making a mess of a game.
@Pokefanmum82 Ditto. I honestly don't know where he got that information from.
Okay... So what good things do we have to look forward to with this? Am I missing something? Because I haven't seen one good thing revealed thus far, and an alarming amount of bad things.
trust us we know what were doing
@PlywoodStick Probably because most people like to accentuate the bad and ignore or downplay the good. Even then, I haven't heard that many bad things about the game itself.
insert negative comment here
@Aromaiden In any case, I'll be looking forward to their development process stories. There are plenty of games that turn out well when they're finished which don't look terribly promising in early/mid development. (i.e. BioShock, that game was a terrible mess for most of it's development life; it wasn't until late development that the developers cleaned it up and solidified it's potential)
That BioShock team needed to enlist outside aid from their publisher's Australian branch to get it done, though. If Next Level ever needs assistance during the project, I hope they'll seek it out.
I think this is a neat extra mode for Fedaration Force, and to be honest, this article is the first time I hear Blast Ball be branded as bad or meh.
EDIT: Wow, I can't believe this game is getting as much hate as it did at E3, and that is unbelievable.
@TSB You're pathetic if you think that, and it's not even close to being on th same level.
Darn this got my hopes up. I went to the eShop out of excitement, looking for the MPFF demo. There wasn't one. Only Metroid 1 & 2, both excellent games but slim pickings of choices on the 3DS. Lol. May just have to put my Prime Hunters cart in to suppress my frenzy.
@GraveLordXD
Seemed no more linear than any other before it. Well, I won't go that far because Prime seem to be pretty open. But you could still venture off throughout the map to explore whatever you wanted. Which in classic Metroid fashion was required a lot of times to go find your next objective or power up. But it seemed perfectly reminiscent of Super Metroid or Fusion in that respect.
As for the dodging, I never paid much attention. Maybe I'm just not as good as you but the combat seem to be challenging enough
I am not a big fan of Metroid or soccer so not really interested in this. Being a tutorial this will not be deep or very replayable.
@rjejr
Happy Birthday #5!
It's pretty hilarious that people think they understand how business works. If Nintendo (or any company) just gave you what you think you want, nothing new would happen. To paraphrase Ford, if he asked people what they wanted before the car, they'd have asked for faster horses. Any business major will tell you that while customer input matters, relying too heavily on it is not the way to run a company. Of course, many gamers don't even know that they don't get it, so it's difficult to be mad at someone that doesn't realize they're ignorant.
@IronMan28 don't be intelligent. We're trying to get a three voices layered choir to chant "doomed".
@Jazzer94 I'm playing Other M right now and I kinda want to stop.
@GraveLordXD
I know it wasn't nearly as epic (or difficult) as Prime, especially Prime 2 which is my favorite of all time (Quadraxis = epic boss fight).
I just liked the puzzles and gameplay a lot, the crux of any good Metroid game are some good environmental puzzles.
That's disappointing to hear that the controls for blast ball are terrible. I'm against all the hate this game recieves early on, but if actual gameplay is an issue, then I can accept critism towards that. That was one issue I saw in the NWC, the ball never moved from strong shots.. rather it inched making the game seem very unbalanced.
Oh boy...this doesn't sound too promising.
I like Metroid and I love Soccer, and this is neither. It also only has 30 levels. No thanks.
@Nintendo_Ninja When did they say it had only 30 levels. I never heard that, but I also may have missed it.
@Jazzer94 agreed, I actually liked other m! But this federation force it's just horrible!
I actually agree with their opinion from both in this article, and this was a good read. I love Metroid, but FF isn't selling it for me; and blast ball just seemed horrible to me.
This games is a real let down. I'll be voting with my wallet and not buy this rubbish.
Hope Nintendo listen to the fans and release a true metroid game.
Blast Ball reminds me of the Buck Bumble multiplayer where you face another player and try to shoot the giant soccer ball into the others goal. Except that was actually kind of fun because you were flying around a decently sized map. These maps don't look very big and from what I've seen it just looks really clunky and strange. I'm not bashing the game, I'll give it it's fair due if I ever get the chance to play it, but it's not looking like I even want to right now.
Not surprising that this game isn't leaving anyone with a lasting impression.
Lol this game just needs to be put in the hands of another developer, like Retro!
@WaveBoy Metroid II is why I'm not a fan of Metroid, made the massive mistake of playing that one first.
@Aromaiden http://mynintendonews.com/2015/06/17/samus-will-make-an-appearance-in-metroid-prime-federation-force-producer-tanabe-reveals/
@Nintendo_Ninja Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Thank you.
Decent visual? I must be looking at a different game, looks more DS than 3DS to me.
@TSB Lets be fair here. 06 and Boom were terrible games because they didnt work on a technical level.
If 06 would have been playable and polished properly, it could very well have been the best 3D Sonic game since.
Boom would at least be a mediocre game.
At in their current state, they are just data garbage.
OtherM was an excellent game that was dragged down by a poor story in a series, that never even had one in the first place.
A fair comparison would be Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog.
The former being an excellent game, often forgotten and dragged down a little by poor design choices here and there.
The latter, still being playable and even fun at times, is a coincept so ridiculous, that no one woudl miss it if it went missing over night.
The hate i strong against this one....
But at least it's understanble (a lot)...
I'm not a "prime" fan, i like 2D Metroid so no buy for me!
And yet you'd still see people defending this game in the comments.
Just watch the tree house footage. Lol
I'm so excited to finally get my hands on this next year and have a real reason to use my 3DS again!
Don't worry everyone, we can always wait 3 plus years for a proper Metroid Prime if this doesn't take your fancy... Of course that assumes anyone buys the NX.
@FragRed Or if Nintendo even wants to continue the Metroid series and make a new game based on the current situation.
@Jazzer94 yes the gameplay was very fun...I was okay with the story, make samus more human..that's fine...but don't make her a wuss....surprise, feelings whatever is fine...I'm a fire fighter and some of the toughest guys I know have to sit and talk through some stuff sometimes...it was the very animie/wuss presence that ppl did not like...I say all that and I could have just said I agree..hehe
Federation force will be fine, ppl need to chill it will be fun..it may feel more like metroid in its boss fights and puzzles...but we will see
All the crying babies on the internet, and this site, have made me want to get this game when I had slight to middling interest in it to begin with.
Well, to spite the whiners, and the fact that I've always been interested in the Metroid universe and thought Nintendo should branch out and explore/explain it more. Whether this is the game to do it, we'll just have to wait and see
Looking at the use of a franchise like Metroid attached to this (the problem being, its multi player action appears at odds to the central themes of lonely isolation that have come to define the atmosphere of those games), I hope it is not a sign of the 'transformation' Nintendo is describing.
Nintendo can do whatever they want with Metroid of couse, and it may sell very well, but I hope they will also still make games which truely reflect heritage of the series.
@Ristar42 I wouldn't worry too much. The game is only a spin-off that is meant to help lead into a future main series Metroid Game
@Aromaiden Well I am sure there will be something in the future, though I fear all these rumours about the NX will destroy it before it launches, like one from yesterday in which someone from Unseen64 said that it will be less powerful than the PS4 from people he has spoken to. People as always took this to mean fact and are already uprising about it.
@TSB I don't think the comparison to 06 is accurate, but FF is definitely turning into Metroid's Boom. It takes the same kind of approach, they dumbed down the gameplay removing everything that made the gameplay so great (in Sonic's case, speed, and in Metroid's case, exploration) and justified it by saying it was a spinoff aimed at attracting a new audience.
@Aromaiden I suppose they are in a bit of a bind, the Wii U could I'm sure play host to an amazing Metroid game, but it could be expensive to make and not sell well.
Then again, making a game like that may shift a few more consoles.
Makes me nostalgic for the Gamecube days.
@TSB What a moronic thing to say, I feel like you can't be serious.
@Jazzer94 I was able to get metroid other m for a really good deal, about $7 on amazon. I played the game...and it was just so, ugh, dull and boring. Those parts where you were forced to stop and look around so you can lock on a certain icon. Those parts were horrible. I was playing with my older brother watching and neither of us could figure out what to do. It was maybe, 10 minutes into the game and I already had to look online to see what to do.
Unfortunately a western crowd of 20-somethings would rather shoot aliens than giant flashing balls.
Boy they made a mistake marketing this game
I agree. Blast Ball is definitely not the way to go if they're going to show off the game.
Anyway, all in all, as things were, it probably wasn't the best idea to reveal this game at the moment. People have been waiting some time for a new mainline game (although it's been about almost five years, it's not that many for me). Giving a spin-off without solidifying the releases of the main series makes most people freak out about "Where are all of the Metroid elements?!"
The spin-off itself probably isn't bad. I don't recall an agreeably bad game developed by Next Level Games. What is bad is the timing. Well, by timing, I mean "Have Metroid games been released steadily before this? Are we aware if there will be another one shortly/in a while?"
Take the spin-off, Metroid Prime Pinball from October 2005, for example. Not only were Metroid games being released at a normal rate, but it was also followed by Metroid Prime Hunters in March 2006, so I highly doubt there were many complaints about Metroid Prime Pinball. The most recent Metroid game released was Other M, and that was in 2010. If a new main Metroid game was in development and everyone knew, people would generally be indifferent to Federation Force, not oppose it as much, etc. You shouldn't give spin-offs without assuring your audience with the main games.
@IronMan28 has a point, by the way. I don't have much to say about that, since he put it perfectly.
Spin-offs are ways of broadening what a series is known for. However, with this timing, very few are willing to accept this game, so that's why everyone's so avid on having the elements of an average Metroid game. That fix hasn't been received in a while.
Despite NLG's history, I'm not sure if the game will be good, bad, have many Metroid elements, or lack many Metroid elements (although the Treehouse footage isn't doing much justice when it comes to elements). I will reserve my final opinions when the game releases.
Oh, and some people even say the name should have just been Federation Force, or something. This would have changed nothing. People would still have the same complaints.
Federation Force looks fine to me. The Treehouse Live footage proved that to me. All the indications are there for me to guess it will be above-average at least.
That doesn't change the perception, and unfortunately Blast Ball doesn't help. Look at many of these comments where people can't separate it from the main game and just want to ride the angry fan train.
Nintendo should have known better. Iwata knew to mention the NX to satisfy those that were worried Nintendo would abandon dedicated hardware with its new mobile initiative. The same basic principle applies here. Metroid fans were hopeful to see the direction that the next big Metroid game will take but also worried because of the disappointing Other M. You can't introduce a spin-off without assuring us that the main Metroid franchise is in tact. Also, see Animal Crossing.
I also think the gaming public is crossing a line where the graphics of a 3DS game are just ugly and disappointing compared to literally everything else on the market today, even Nintendo fans — even 3DS fans!
Metroid fans were primed for a ball of rage to be unleashed. Nintendo helped.
So Blast Ball is disappointing. That's too bad. It has some time to be fleshed out in terms of play. But that and the ill-conceived reveal doesn't change that the core game looks solid and fun.
Can we all just wait before we actually play the game? Blast Ball is a small piece of a whole game, so please, don't judge the game - which most of us still haven't play - basing on minigame. I think FF will be a fun game in a Metroid Universe.
@WaveBoy
I liked Metroid II a lot better than the original NES Metroid, so... different strokes for different folks, I guess?
@blujay1524 Have fun I guess? Doesn't affect us, so....?
@TSB More like Other M is lost world, FF is Boom.
@EverythingAmiibo That would be a more accurate comparison I think. Although Lost World didn't have quite the fan outrage surrounding it.
@GraveLordXD Besides all the thing you listed, which I agree on; my biggest gripe was the lack of exploration and that feeling of discovering hidden items. Hidden items were located on maps with a shiny orb that lead you straight to them ( and no option to turn this off), all you had to do was figure out if you use a missile or a bomb ... pathetic.
@TSB You can't compare Other M to Sonic 06. Although Other M wasn't liked it wasn't a buggy mess like Sonic 06.
The only Nintendo games coming we know about that I deem are worthy of my purchase are Super Mario Maker, Yoshi's Wooly World (I live in the states, so we don't get to play it until October...), Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fire Emblem Fates, and Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. As excited as I am about Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensai, it's still a maybe for me because it kind of looks like a game that's been through development hell, but I hope it truly is a quality game. Star Fox is way iffy to me. I was initially excited, but the first impressions for it that are out in the wild put things in a different light for me about it, what with the iffy controls and all. Everything else shown in the E3 Event, including Metroid, is pure shovel ware that I wish would get canceled.
@Pokefanmum82 Well, tell us what you think after your wast your money. Because I'm not going anywhere near these games on till I hear a review.
@bubby444 It would probably be better to say spend instead of waste. It sounds more appropriate and less aggressive that way.
Other M was a great game, just not a great Metroid game. Federation Force just looks like a bad game all around, by any possible measure.
@carlos82 Xenoblade X and FE14 (Which I am playing this moment and it isn't just great looking, it is great IMHO)
@Nintendian When did they cancel Zelda (U)? Cause they didn' FYI.
@Bass_X0 Absolutely. Metroid: Other M is totally forgiven.
I actually quite liked it, and completed it, which is more than I can say about any of the Prime games. I don't think it deserves the pasting it gets. It's a solid game that had the guts to try a different approach to the franchise.
I can't speak about FF, but I do think the vocal elements of the fanbase need to be less conservative. We need to allow developers the room to take risks with treasured IPs. Bleating that we don't like the first screenshots is too premature. There was a terrible fuss about the look initially of LoZ: WW back in the day - if it had been cancelled on the strength of that reaction we would have missed a classic.
@Blister That comparison is commonly used, but the huge difference is that FF does not follow the normal formula used in Metroid while WW did follow the set LoZ format. Although, I will agree people are incredibly overreacting. Referring to an unreleased game as terrible and a monstrosity and evne comparing to Sonic Boom, is very uncalled for and unnecessary.
@SebPlays
wow that,s looks terrible XD
@Aromaiden You can say what you want, but in my opinion, it's a waste to spend on a game before watching a review.
Doesn't bother me. I still haven't played Prime 2 and 3, which I own. Don't take my money if you dont want to Nintendo.
I guess you could say that Nintendo dropped the ball with this one
I just want to see a hands-on of the actual game haha. This "blast ball" thing would barely manage to hold my attention for 5 minutes regardless; it's not even close to what I would want a Metroid game for. All I've been hearing is "trust us, give it a chance, it's not even out yet, etc" and all Nintendo has shown is (in my opinion) the weakest aspects of the game.
I enjoyed Other M, i had a ball laughing my ass off at the ultra cheesy, over the top cutscenes!
This is just pure ass though, and its good to see so many Nintendo fans speak out about, rather than defending it to their grave (although i do see a couple!)
@TSB Except Sonic 06 made people loss faith in Sonic (like me). Sonic 06 was universally panned by everybody. Sonic 06 was considered the darkest days of Sonic. Sonic 06 took everybody hoped and threw tnem in tne trash. Sonic 06 nearly single handly kill the Sonic franchise. That's an absolutely stupid thing for you to say.
Anyway, I'll wait till I play it. So far I just have mix feelings about it. It looks like it plays like Metroid Prime, so I may pick it up.
Funny, some sources actually express the opposite after their time with the game :/ hmm... There's gotta be more to it though. I mean, someone even said that the demo had a customization button on the menu that you couldn't access, which, according to them, sounds promising. I'm sure the full game will be more in-depth.
@IronMan28 Henry Ford knew what he was talking about, but he also committed to deeds which earned him the Grand Cross of the Order of the German Eagle for the Nazis, their highest honor for a foreign dignitary. Just as well, I would say the same for this case of "how the business works": better to be innocent and ignorant than a genius and a greedy bastard.
LMAO! One job one effing job
@WaveBoy: Metroid II desperately needs a 2.5D remake. Somebody was working on a fan made project a while back. I'd rather have that than this abomination.
Next level games, if by anytime you wanna prove the naysayers wrong, you got til sometime next year.
People didn't hate MP: HUnters in which nobody played as Samus - what's the sudden problem with not being able to play as Samus in the sequel?
And for Blast Ball tactics, why not try football tactics and try and switch play sideways?
Worst E3 in Nintendo's history. Even Wii Music didn't offer this much disdain.
@Quorthon I beg to differ. I think Wii Music was by far a worse presentation. The Wii Music presentation was humiliating, while this years was more lackluster if anything.
@Quorthon My friend said it best at one point during the Event: "I'm going back to sleep!"
@MagicEmperor Basically showing it was lackluster and boring (at least presentation wise).
@Quorthon Sorry, Wii Music and E3 2008 will always be the worst. Fed Force is just a bad spin-off. E3 2015 is more akin to E3 2003 for Nintendo - bad and luckluster, but not downright humiliating like E3 2008. It only looked worse because the competition brought their A game (even if said A game is anywhere up to a few years from release, or a PS5 title in the case of FF7 Remake )
@Monado_III there are definitely exceptions, I think I mentioned some in one of my posts (rants) and I'd fully agree with the 2 you mention. I just feel these are becoming exceptions rather than the rule, which is a bit sad for someone like me who's been playing Nintendo games for over 20 years
@Kirk "it wasn't actually that bad" says it all really. Lol.
@liveswired Well, if you take away the slightly forced gimmick of having to rotate the Wiimote to go into first person mode, and release it on another platform without the Metroid name—I think it would have actually been pretty well/very received to be honest. The presentation and graphics are top notch for the most part; the music similarly; the controls aren't too bad, even with the silly gimmicks; and the general level design and gameplay is also pretty solid. It wasn't the Metroid game we wanted and it wasn't perfect, mostly because of the controls/gimmicks and the turning Samus into a bit of a sap who answered to some dude, but it's not like it was a bad game, by any stretch of the imagination.
Trust me, the first two words in the image keep it from making any sense whatsoever. That's how much the dolled-up installment trope just doesn't work to me.
I mean, okay, cool, a weird futuristic sport. In the Metroid universe? What are they thinking?
can we just hurry up and let this die already? we can talk bad about it again on release or on another nintendo direct its getting boring now...
To the people white knighting this game from all the deserved hate that it's been getting and trying to explain to us how "business" works;
We're looking forward to you buying and and pretending to enjoy playing this game just to spite the majority of critics that are "bashing" it. Have fun being part of the small pool of people that start up their 3DS just to play a watered down/mediocre futuristic soccer game, that has nothing to do with what made the Metroid games fun for its fans in the first place, but still has the Metroid name slapped onto it for no apparent reason.
You're the real MVPs here!
P.S.
If you're planning on buying this game because you genuinely enjoy what you've seen up until now, then this isn't aimed towards you.
I will stand by Other M as one of my top ten Wii games. No matter what other people say.
I'm not surprised here. Maybe Nintendo will wake up and stop making bad mini-games they think will appeal to mobile crowd, until then I go back to play Virtual Console.
@G_M Not really. I have no idea why you and so many others are so spiteful towards this game, but the game definitely doesn't deserve all the hate it gets (cancellation petitions, death threats, etc...). The game is not even out, not to mention that we know so little about it (but that's just a classic response). Even then, you're acting like you've already played the entire game and know it will a terrible failure, which I doubt unless you can travel into the future or somehow managed to get one.
The game itself appears decent possibly even fun (shocker) and will apparently, based on commentary from the creator, help expand and characterize the Metroid Universe for future installments. So I'm not really defending the game, as much as I am just against the idea of unnecessary, illogical, and unjustified hate.
@Quorthon This E3 was pretty awful, but I still think 2008 was the worst of all time as far as Nintendo goes. From that awkward woman prattling on about her vacation to the embarrassing Wii Music finale, that was the worst in my opinion. This past E3 was merely very disappointing. E3 2008 was humiliating.
The whole game is a poor advert for Metroid in general.
Name it something else and I won't care, but don't slap Metroid on there yeeesh.
@Bass_X0 No. I won't, at least. That game was an unforgivable mess. The dodging mechanic was, well, dodgy, the auto-aim barely functioned, the automatic switches to first-person pixel hunting and cinematic, slow-walk segments were infuriating, and enough has been said about the atrocious story that I feel no need to repeat here.
Federation Force looks to actually be playable. For that, it could well be fun. Maybe I'll avoid Blast Ball, but the game itself at least seems to have substance.
Blast Ball doesn't look great (though a physics change or options for ball weights would do a lot for it). However, I think the whole "fan" response to the Federation Force announcement is indicative of the snotty, obsessive nerd culture that has come to define the gaming hobby. It's a video game, people.
I recommend that you try a new franchise like Xenoblade, Splatoon, or Codename STEAM. Maybe if enough people do, people will finally stop (falsely) complaining that Nintendo doesn't create enough new IPs.
It'll be fine as a diversion as we wait for whatever Retro Studios has to offer. It's been nearly three years now so hopefully they've got something good to show.
@Jazzer94 this is true to a degree at least for me. I hated moving the wiimote to emter/exit thid person. Enemies were fast immobalizing yourself was a very dumb choice. Also the pixel hunts. Those were so bad.... otherwise yes gneplay was actually fun to a degree, story was so bad it ruined the game for many of us.
@aaronsullivan see I diaagree there. I watched all of the treehouse footage and it still doesmt appeal to me. Tbis looks like a babies version of halo reach or better yet, Evolve. I see nothing metroid about this. I see an fps oriented around team mechamics.
K a solid concept except as follows: it looks like hell even for a 3ds game and isba guarantee that nothing good is coming from metroid in the foreseeable future. Therefore FF is a scapegoat. Its basically "responsible" for the lack of a new metroid thanks to executives who labeled it so.
@WaveBoy
You seem to be conveniently forgetting all the things Metroid II did to advance the series. It introduced growth cycles for Metroids, introduced the baby metroid which would later be used for the basic storyline in Super Metroid, gave us insight on what SR388 was like, introduced the Spider-Ball which later returned in Metroid Prime, and is the first game to give Samus her iconic Varia Suit armor design which was necessary because of the graphical limitations of the Gameboy hardware. Also that was the longest sentence I ever typed. (Also worth noting it was the first handheld Metroid so it deserves some credit for that as well.)
Anyway it doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Other M because the only thing Other M did to advance the series was fix the inconsistencies from Metroid Fusion, gave Samus PTSD and a Daddy Complex, and gave Samus high heels.
As for this game, I won't say too much because I think I made my case very plain before in other discussions so I will keep it short. If the treehouse videos and this are any indication, this game is going to be very meh and will probably not do all that well, which will give Nintendo more reason to not give a damn about Samus or Metroid. The only other thing I will point out is as usual, the defenders of this game can't formulate a better argument than randomly insulting those of us who think this game is a stain on Metroid than accusing us of being crybabies without actually going through the trouble to try and convince us otherwise. Nothing new to see here. I'm going back to sleep. Wake me up when Mario Maker and Xenoblade X get here!
@B3ND3R Retro isn't working on Prime, they confirmed that there is no main series Prime game in development at this point.
Not really surprised. It's cute they made a sport around FPS controls, but in reality it's still essentially a tech demo glorified into a mini game so it can show off the things to come (controls/game engine)
Not unlike Yoshi Touch and Go did for the DS, then paid off in Kirby's Canvas Curse.
@ekreig you must not be a Metroid fan, basically the people who Nintendo is marketing towards with this game.
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