Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS Will Support The New 3DS C-Stick, But Not The Circle Pad Pro

Wow that is some serious bull

Oh darn, that put a dent in some people's strategy... including mine.

I for one, will not be buying the game. What a bunch of crap.

Kind of odd. Aren't they essentially exactly the same thing? Oh well. My original 3ds is getting in need of an update, and if it arrives in the first half of 2015, I will heartily partake.

Heh, so much for the circle pad pro's existence. Such a cute little gadget that was.

Exclusive games, exclusive compatibility...

Well don't us 3DS owners feel special.

If Monster Hunter 4 does this I will RAGE!!!

Ouch. They really want Circle Pad Pro owners to wait until 2015 and buy a New 3DS to replace the function that's already supposed to work? Who do they expect will do that?

@Ben_Rage_V2 So you're not going to buy a great game jam packed with content because of the lack of Circle Pad Pro support? Your loss.

I was planning on getting a New 3DS anyway. Besides I never found the CPP to be very comfortable, I could never use it right, so I wouldn't have used it anyways.

@Marakuto Your avatar fits your comment perfectly.

Definitely a dodgy decision but oh well nothing any of us can do.

@Yosher

I was planning on getting one anyways as well. This is just a pain for those that already have a CPP and/or have to wait until the console releases to their country.

This is a disadvantage to others who don't want to upgrade or don't have any money to upgrade. This is old news but still its wrong...

@Spoony_Tech I didn't think of that and I just got a circle pad pro xl for MH4U too.

This is old news since the New 3DS was announced. Where have you all been?

I'm not too bothered by this. Smash doesn't require two analog sticks to play well. its nice if you want to fire off a quick directional smash but i stopped doing that once I started playing Brawl.

I suspect Nintendo doesn't want to have to re print a clunky attachment when they have a built in alternative available. I'm sure most that rely on the additional analog stick would be chomping at the bit to upgrade anyway.

Damn.
But good to know. I was planning on buying a Circle Pad Pro with Smash Borthers.
Better knowing now then frustrated trying to get it to work when I bought it.

I'm disappointed due to the fact that people who do own the NEW 3DS will have an advantage compared to those who don't. It's very, very upsetting.

So basically us CPP owners got owned? This is so, so low.

@AdmiralThrawn There was news of this when the new 3ds was announced or just your pro use of the move Future Sight?

I plan on buying the New 3DS but I still thinks its pretty dumb that the CPP isn't supported.

One advantage of the circle pad pro is how comfortable it makes holding your ds through tense gaming sessions...kind of a bummer it seemsthe CCpp isdying away like many of Nintendo s peripherals..innovativeand hardly supported

Eh, no loss for me. I tend to adapt easily to nearly any game I play. Besides, I never used the C-Stick in Melee and Brawl.

They really are trying to force people to upgrade to the New 3ds. To all the people who bought a circle pad pro and barely got to use it, I feel sorry for you. Nintendo better be careful not to piss off the users of their main money-maker. They are starting to annoy quite a few people; myself included.

Just to claify, the Cricle Pad Pro is a Nintendo add on, correct, it isn't some hack somebody built in their garage and sold by Nyko?

So Nintnedo itself built a peripheral that adds a 2nd joystick, built a game that uses a 2nd joystick, then built a new system that has a 2nd joystick and thereafter disabled the peripherals use in the game?

I think Nintendo needs to refund the money of everyone who returns Pro, plain and simple.

well, if your trying to force people to upgrade like that, how about releasing the new 3ds the same time as in japan, otherwise we'll be unhappily waiting to upgrade. Nintendo could have planned the release of Smash Bros 3ds and the release of new 3ds alot closer, alot of people will be holding off and waiting on Smash Bros now till the new 3ds comes out

@rjejr I agree, they owe the people who bought the circle pad a refund, especially the people who bought the circle pad for the 3ds xl now that long ago.

@hydeks I totally agree, making us wait for the new 3DS is a stupid decision.

Otherwise, I guess the CPP and new 3DS just don't use the same kind technology... It sounds weird, but I just don't see Nintendo going Sony on this...

@hydeks - " Nintendo could have planned the release"

"Nintendo" and "planning" are like 2 ships not passing in the night.

3DS users get the shaft while Wii U owners have a plethora of control options.

@Spoony_Tech Same!!

Is there any advantage to having an extra control stick in this game? I assume it will work like the c-stick in brawl and melee which i stopped using long ago.

It may be a means of making more profit.. :c

@Spoony_Tech
Yeah. I don't care about it with Smash Bros., but it'll be annoying if they gimp MH4U controls.

@Spoony_Tech I doubt that will happen since they already have it working on MH3U. The only way that'll happen is if Capcom is lazy, but that usually isn't the case for Monster Hunter.

I think most of us already found about this a few days after the announcement of the N3DS. That must suck for Circle Pad Pro owners.

This is weird and stupid. I always kinda thought that the New 3DS just kind of "saw" the C-stick and built in ZR and ZL buttons as a CPP, but I guess not. Making a game support the C-stick and not the CPP is just plain dumb though, especially for a Smash Bros. game, they usually utilise every control scheme possible. If enough people complain though, I can see them fixing it in an update.

Lucky for me, I barely ever use the C-stick in Brawl, so this doesn't bother me that much, but I can see how this would upset people who do use it often.

Why release the CPP and not use it in a game that actually needs it?

Nintendo peripherals = A must have item to improve an existing system and future game releases, but only supported with 1-3 games.

I don't think not having it in Smash is a deal breaker though. I use the C-stick when playing older Smash titles but I know lots of people who don't.

@Shworange
No, the Pro works of of wifi. So that means if they wanted to have future releases to work with the pro they would have to give the future releases c stick and wifi pro capabilities. That's really a lot of work and I dont blame them for making a New 3ds and not carrying over the Pro. Overall, its a smart move, and at worst its expected and acceptable one.

Meh, doesn't matter. I didn't like plugging on the boat anyway.

@crzysortagamer
Uhm, no it doesn't. Circle Pad Pro works using infrared, not wifi.
Still, having to program in an additional peripheral that uses such an extra connection type is probably not something they think is worth the time and money.

@AVahne
yeah, you are right. I forgot. I don't think it would be worth it either.

Oh so Nintendo dropped Circle Pad Pro support..

Don't really care...

This news is a bit old, but the original thing that came to mind is if games that support the New 3DS don't naively support the Circle Pad Pro, if it works the other way around.

As in if games (the few there are) that support the Circle Pad Pro will support the New 3DS, like Metal Gear Solid 3.

IDC. And the CPP blocks the IR port, which is used for the Amiibo stand.
Get a New 3DS or the Wii u version if you want to C-stick.

I don't c-smash or use the c-stick for anything in melee and brawl, so water on a duck's back for me.

I feel like c-sticking is kinda cheating.. So I don't really care. Although I am planning on getting myself a New 3DS! Just the regular one UNLESS they announce a special edition XL for Xenoblade..

@RupeeClock That's exactly what I was thinking, a second analogue to the right just doesn't seem right for this game.

because no one wants a Circle Pad?

This news is like a week old lol

Why oh why did I waist my money on two circle pad pro's. One for my original 3DS then another when I upgraded to the XL.
It's only ever been used for Resi Evil.

Seems like a Sega-ish move. Let's make a 3 year old console almost obsolete saying "Yeaaahhh, that was a fluke, here's the real Nintendo 3DS that you'll have to shovel more of your money out for in order to play certain exclusives and what-not. Enjoy!"

As a recent CCP owner (for Kid icarus...which despite being left handed I play better playing like a right handed person) I don't like this precedent of no forward support. I see no reason why anything that supports the added buttons and sticks can't also support the CCP.

Likewise, it suggests these built-in buttons won't be BC as CCP...they're not going to release a New CCP leaving New 3DS with no good way to play Galaxy Force 2. Then again I'm not sure if the C-stick is a worthy replacement...
Edit: Ah Japanese page shows show the buttons are BC as CCP.

Some people have argued this lack of support here is for supporting the Amiibo stand (coming in 2015) as that uses IR on non-New 3DS...heres an idea. I don't plan on using Amiibo, give me full control.

@Hunter-D
Smash doesn't need it.

Alright I can see what they're doing. Clearly the hackers have won with the original 3DS (see the homebrew development). The new 3DS must have a brand new security that is proofed against what's currently out there. And now Nintendo wants us all to switch.

Since the CPP works with the old 3DS and they are trying to reduce support for the old 3DS in favor of the new one, Nintendo is basically using collective punishment against all of us to punish the hackers.

I, for one, am gong to cancel my pre-order. I'm going to wait to buy this and any other "new enhanced" game and the system until there's a solid library. I want this game. And I want Xeno. But if the list stops there, I'm not shelling out $300 total just to play those two games.

I don't care 'cause I'm not a C-Sticker.

Almost on topic:

For the people who suggested "3DS Plus" would be better name than "new 3DS", Apple just introduced the "iPhone 6 Plus". Not that it coudln't still be 3DS Plus in the west, but I rather it wasn't

I do like "n3DS" that I saw someone post yesterday (sorry I forget who), though I suppose technically the 3DS is N3DS, but nobody really uses that, so n3DS could work.

C-stick is for newbs. Five year old girls who used Super Guide in NSMBWii and Super Kong in Country Returns.
Just sayin'

And just like that, Japan gets a huge advantage until 2015.

@sketchturner To a point the c-stick is useless, but there are rather advanced techniques that do require it. For instance how else can you do a rising down smash? The answer: you can't.

This is a very bad move in my opinion. I was a bit miffed at the N3DS announcement as I just recently bought my Pokemon X/Y 3DS XL and now they announce a revision of 3DS which will have exclusive games starting with Xenoblade. Fine, I can make do without 1 or 2 games but this is so bad.

With N3DS I thought we could get more games that utilize the 2nd stick and thus more CPP support. And Nintendo is doing just the opposite, while it is a 1st party peripheral!!! This leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I usually don't get peeved easily....

Why isn't the c-stick in an actual usable place? Like how it was on the GameCube controller?!?!

@rjejr
Yeah it's official, otherwise games wouldn't support it- check out Resident Evil Revelations. Kid Icarus also had a left handed mode.

Whatever. I just realized my Wreck-It Ralph-inspired Miis can fit right in the game - especially Ralph (brawler, possibly with overalls) and Calhoun (armored gunner). NOTHING can kill my hype at this point.

Tawdry.

This is beyond wrong. Is this going to be a trend? Games technically for 3DS are going to be shut out from being too similar to New 3DS [name check: still stupid]. that's just wrong. Different on a different system is one thing, but the option to use it is right there.

dear sakurai, YOUR CHOICES ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!!!!!

Eh, I was planning on buying a New 3DS anyway.

Hey I was right! The CPP was a very stupid peripheal!

@Ben_Rage_V2 hehehehe... yes you will. And so will I. And we'll all have a friggin ball with our portable Smash Bros.

yes

@mh1989

1. Kiddy game? No.
2. There's a lot of gameplay changes (some MAJOR), you know nothing about the changes of this game, so why say it's the same as past games when you know NOTHING about it?
3. Why are you here?
4. Trolling isn't allowed.

Just garbage nintendo. Absolute garbage. It could be worse if they made it "New" 3ds exclusive

Good! I was torn between getting a New 3DS XL, or just the Circle Pad Pro XL and NFC reader. Glad I don't have to choose now!

Meh news, I'm getting both version anyways so lacking the crappy Circle Pad Pro doesn't bother me.

Sometimes people say that Sega died because of all the peripherals. I feel like Nintendo is going the same way: All the different controllers, voice-chat peripheral for Animal crossing, circle pad pro, etc. The masses do find that VERY confusing, and I can't blame them!

@mh1989

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate says hi.

Just let me use the D pad for smash attacks like on the game cube or Wii classic controller and I will live.

People forget about the input delay oh and another reason to buy the new 3DS of course. >_> Not that I needed any reason.

That's a slap in the face to ''old'' 3DS owners.

@mh1989
So, a ''E'' rated game means the game is for kids? If these games had blood in them, would they be any more ''mature'' for you? Stop judging a book by its cover.

I never liked using the C-stick for Smash titles anyway

This is so incredibly STUPID. Whoever thought this would be a good idea is either an idiot, greedy, or both.

Well for one, I can tell people right now that Monster Hunter 4 WILL be compatible with the CPP. MH3U was compatible and so will this new one. In fact, it already is. The game came out last year, WITH support for CPP. So let's not start getting upset over things that are 100% confirmed to happen already.

The reason Smash isn't compatible, is because Nintendo never used the CPP anyways. Luigi's Mansion? Nope. Kid Icarus? Nope. 3D Land? Nope. Especially with this being a Sakurai game. He refused to implement the CPP even though it was a perfect fit for Kid Icarus- much more perfect than for Smash, that's for sure. We already KNEW this game wouldn't be CPP compliant. Anyone who thought otherwise was, how shall we say- misguided.

Regardless of the New 3DS, this game was never going to use the CPP anyways. People are just noticing now, because those of us who upgrade will have a feature they won't.

All I can tell people is, you've got plenty of advance warning. With trade in value, you're looking a $100. If ya can't come up with $100 in 6+ months, well, I'm surprised you can afford games at all. Much less a console to play them on. Even if I was a kid, I could earn $100 raking leaves and carrying groceries. If ya don't upgrade, it's cause you didn't want to, not cause you couldn't.

@Spoony_Tech we already know couse of he intro video that monster hunter 4 will use the c-stick. But that doesn't mean it won't use the circle pad pro too.

@JaxonH Who said KI:U doesn't use it. It in fact does!

@RaphaBoss techinaclly the 3ds isn't "old" yet because the new 3ds still hasn't come out.

@Spoony_Tech
Actually, it only uses it as a substitute for left-handed gamers, NOT for a 2nd analog control scheme. So even in a game where it's already programmed to be used, Sakurai STILL refused to use it for a 2nd analog. AND it was a perfect fit too! That speaks volumes. If he refused to use it for a second analog in a game that he already had it working for left-handed gamers, then we know for DANG sure he was never gonna use it as a 2nd analog Smash.

@JaxonH I also need confirmation that the cpp will be in fact used for MH4U. MH4 uses it but has it been confirmed that Ultimate uses it. I'm also not so sure it won't be removed for the west per Nintendo to Capcom to push the New 3ds. I just don't like the smell of this As it stinks of getting rid of the old and forcing people to buy the new.

@Spoony_Tech it's called Ultimate for a reason They're not gonna take away from the game, only add to it. Do you know how much outrage there would be if the game released without circle pad pro? Trust me, it's in the game. And no, support would never be lost in localization. If it's supported in Japan it'll be supported in the west.

If you've ever trusted me and my judgment on anything before then listen to me now. You have nothing to worry about. And if you don't trust my judgment, then just remember these words, and when the game releases with CPP support, perhaps I'll have earned your trust then.

That seems underhanded.... Why would Nintendo screw some of their most loyal fans and first adopters? I really don't see how it's difficult to add support for an existing peripheral which provides the exact same buttons as the New 3DS. Bad move, Nintendo, you have some explaining to do.

(Maybe it was a bad translation? We can always hope...)

@mh1989 Who freaking cares? Honestly! Do you need a mature artstyle and story to enjoy a game? 80% of Nintendo games are "kiddy" (minus Zelda, Fire Emblem, and Metroid), so I don't know why you signed up here to begin with.

Never used or planned on using a Circle Pad Pro (do own a 3DS since day 1) and I actually plan on buying a New 3DS, but I still think this is a duck move by Nintendo. Really shouldn't screw people with a 3DS like that. Hell even if you are willing to buy a New 3DS, people outside of Japan who'd want to use a c-stick in Smash Bros. 3DS will still have to wait 'till somewhere in 2015, before being able to.

I got a CCP when I picked up monster hunter 3 in march of 2013 but stopped using it after a couple months. The digital pad works very well( especially on the XL). I will probably trade it in soon because it sounds like it will be useless sooner rather than later. Ill probably get 20 cents for it at gamestop. Maybe 21 cents with the pro member trade in.

@JaxonH This is not about trust it's more about some of the things Nintendo has been doing lately. Just look at them removing parts of Fantasy Life Link to sell as dlc. Isn't that suppose to be the ultimate collection as well. Plus Xenoblade Chronicles only being able to be played on the new system is just the beginning. What will be next?

I do believe it will be compatible personally just don't like the way some things have been heading and who knows what could happen.

@Captain_Toad Exactly...

This is crazy, what the heck is Nintendo thinking? I plan on buying a NEW 3DS when it launches but... what the heck.

The prospect of certain games being exclusive to the N3DS or having features exclusive to N3DS because of the better hardware didn't really bother me. It's understandable that some things simply couldn't be done on the regular 3DS, and I don't mind upgrading cause I've had mine for a little over 3 years now.

But this does bother me. Every feature that Smash 3DS uses on the N3DS is available to old 3DS users also, and yet they decided to omit CPP support. There shouldn't be any issue like this when both sets of hardware have literally the same features, no matter how "misguided" it may have been to think it might've been supported.

And the c-stick is actually very important to have in Smash Bros. The ability to quickly throw out smashes might not seem very useful, but then you discover you can also use aerial attacks with it. That you can use aerial moves and continue to control your character's aerial momentum opens more options for the player, ones that they wouldn't have if the c-stick didn't exist. There's also the little matter of pivot canceling, a new technique in Smash Bros 4. In essence, players with the New 3DS will have an advantage over those who don't...and that shouldn't be the case.

They should either support the CPP or not have dual analog support at all. This is lopsided and punishes early adopters who might not be willing to upgrade for any number of reasons, as well as territories that might not even have access to the new hardware for the next 6 months. It just smells of poor decision making.

@Spoony_Tech I hadn't heard about the Fantasy Life thing, I'll do some research on it because I am getting that game.

As for Xenoblade, it's important to understand that the game cannot run on the current hardware. It would be one thing if they were subtracting a game from the current 3DS lineup and making it exclusive, but all they're doing is making an additional game available that otherwise would have never been possible. That's a good thing. New 3DS or no New 3DS, none of us would ever play that game on our current handhelds. Once you appreciate that reality, there really isn't anything to be upset about. On the contrary, I'm stoked that they actually bothered to improve the hardware to an extent which games like Xenoblade can now be played on the go.

For me though, none of this is an issue anyways because there's no way I'm not going to buy the new 3DS. It's a no brainer for me- side angle 3D viewing (I love playing me some games in 3D, so this is huge), C stick, faster internet/downloads, games not previously possible (first of which is one of the best games ever), customized faceplates, NFC (saves money not having to buy an adapter), zL/zR... All that stuff is a must for me. Not a chance I'd ever pass up on that. Ill trade in my XL, pay $100, and have brand new system with a 1 yr newer battery. And you figure minus costs of NFC adapter and it's like $70 to upgrade. Heck I'd have paid that just to not deal with the prehistoric internet speeds on Miiverse. I can't stand going to Miiverse or eShop on my current 3DS, it's just too slow. Drives me crazy every time- always end up wanting to hurl the system at the nearest wall lol...

Anyways, I can certainly understand the frustration with lack of CPP support. I'm just not surprised because Nintendo never supported that peripheral in the first place. It sucks that it won't use it, but I do think it's important to recognize that this has nothing to do with the New 3DS. Nintendo was never going to implement CPP support for this game, just like they never implemented it for the last 15 games that could've used it. I accepted that sad reality about two years ago, and have made my peace with it.

Well that's kinda stupid.

Well that is a real kick in the nuts... I bought a CPP thinking it would work for a lot of games in the future, and now I learn they for some reason went completely in the other direction.

I hate the shape of 3DS and 2DS, the CPP is very comfortable for my hands tho since they are bigger then most kiddy hands, I really hope they decide to keep supporting the CPP instead of throwing it away like this.

@ZenTurtle - "otherwise games wouldn't support it"

Yeah, that's a really good point. So it is official, and they are officially dropping support for it in one of their biggest games now that the new model has it built in.

No, thats not crapping on your customers at all

So first, Nintendo said they didn't want to support the CPP out of fear of alienating people who didn't have it. Now, they are doing exactly that with this strategy! R.I.P. CPP - Oh well, at least I got 50+ hours in with it playing REvelaitons.

Piss me off once, I'll try to let it slide. Do it a second time, especially in this flip-flopping fashion, and one way or another, you're not getting my money; looks like I'm buying the new 3DS second-hand.

@mh1989
And exactly what defines something as "kiddie""? Honestly, I've never actually heard a mature person use such a term. Throwing around terms like "kiddie" as if they mean something, as if they make one sound mature and sophisticated for using them, is infact a hallmark of immaturity. Do you remember that quote by C.S Louis?

@Spoony_Tech
Its not Nintendo whos in charge of MH4U though, where as they own Brownie-Brown/1-UP studio, and are publishing Fantasy Life outside of Japan. Same with Xenoblade. They don't really have a say in what Capcom does with Monster Hunter, its made and published by them, and Capcom has no reason to remove CCP compatibility from their game.

Besides, our version if Fantasy Life was two separate versions in Japan, where as MH4U is the same as the Japanese version. Both it and the original vetsion has CCP support, and MH4U is essentially just a complete edition that skips the expansion packs all together.

im not happy at all, and unless something changes im not buying smash or the new 3ds. and if they keep not supporting the cpp when they easily could and should because they made it, i will probably switch to buying games only for my vita permanently. or at least until next-gen. i hope this doesnt happen. i really like the 3ds, i hope they dont screw it up.

It seems very clear that Nintendo will discontinue the old 3ds and 3ds XL with this move not to support the Circle Pad Pro in future games.

All the people that would have bought a 3DS anyway have already bought one. The New 3DS is for the new generation whose mummies don't want them getting blind with the poor 3D effect.

This is good news as Nintendo need to demonstrate market leadership and maintain a strong footing in the handheld console market.

Strange, I figured the N3DS's extra buttons and c-stick basically put on the system the stuff that the Pro gave the original system so they could be more or less cross-compatible in a way. Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot with this decision as it would have been smarter to market New 3DS to those who haven't bought or are in need of replacing a 3DS, while the Circle Pad Pro and XL could remedy for those of us that supported the handheld for years and don't want to shell out full price for such a small upgrade.

Granted the hardware is still slightly better on the N3DS but it's still a wasted opportunity to actually sell some of their own products. However I guess I should learn that Ninty makes a lot of strange decisions and yet they are still around. Still pisses me off I can't play GBA games on my 3DSXL even though the proof of concept already exists that it can be done due to the Ambassadors program. I would have bought so many GBA VC games if I could play them somewhere other than my living room.

Circle Pad Pro is dead. I'm glad I never owned one, or any games that require it. I am looking forward to the new and improved 3DS however...

@mh1989
Thats not Nintendo though, nor does it have anything to do with their games being "kiddie" as you claim. Neither Ridge Racer nor F1 have any qualities that make them inherently "mature", no more so than games like F-Zero, StarFox, Project S.T.E.A.M, and such. Your confusing 'dark', 'gritty', and 'realistic' for "mature", none of which are synonyms

Terms like "kiddie" are nothing more than scapegoats, theres nothing mature or grown up about using them to describe something, your actually doing the opposite. The only time I've heard them is from kids going through their 'grown-up' phase.

Heres a little food for thought-http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=9Y_mG3kiV8M

this is why the wii u version is better.... least thats the one i had planned to get from the start glad im not going to be in this whole "not fair" mess

@The_Ninja If you want to pull off your entire moveset properly, then yes.

Second stick/C-stick helps with a lot during Smash. Without it, your aerial game is significantly impacted, DI gets affected, DACUS and some advance techniques go out of the window. Generally helps with precision too.

Still, why limit the control options when the CPP add-on already exists? It's very annoying. Clearly you can tell that Nintendo are trying to phase out the older models.

Also, most players will be around the same level when they play, until the New 3DS/LL is released and the Japanese players have more options available to them, and can play to the fullest. Standard 3DS/XL owners will be at a clear disadvantage.

ouch

Well since I have a CPP, I'll just wait until I get the new 3DSXL next year to buy the game--that's the response they're hoping for, right?

@DarkNinja9 I agree there. I only buy home console's and not portables but I'd been tempted by some great looking 3ds games. This type of thing has just put me off again, you just wouldn't see as many or as restricted upgrades of hardware on a home console!

So odd, really.

Guys, think of it this way. If you actually used the CPP, how will you reach out for ABXY? I'm not really sure there's a way where you can do that without it being so inconvenient. Correct me if I'm wrong.

@mh1989
Nice try, but I never said anything of the sort. Your playing the age card, which just further proves my point. Reciting your age, that your "an adult", to reinforce your stance isn't mature. Do you realize that "kiddie" is also synonymous with adolescence, juvenile, and even teen? Those can easily describe most of the game you listed, especially Arkham being rated 'T' itself, and by extension kiddie. Your once again confusing the outward appearance for maturity (or lack there of), thats why I suggested Archimedes123's video on kiddie vs. mature.

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”-C.S Lewis

That sums up the point I'm trying to make perfectly. You don't like something? Great, more power to ya, but you shouldn't need terms like "kiddie" or being "older" to validate your taste. Your the only one making such claims, nobody else is, not even fans of those "kiddie" games, are trying to make a case either way. In other words, its completely unnecessary. Your starting an argument where there doesn't need to be.

Do they really think I'd buy a New 3DS just to play 3DS version of Smash Bros properly because they decided not to support CPP? No thanks, I'll just wait for Nintendo 4DS that'll be released in few years. This is just stupid.

ha, good thing I literally NEVER use the C-stick. too bad for everyone else though, you'll have to learn to play better now

@crzysortagamer
Oh really? Weird. As I don't own a circle pad pro I just assumed it somehow accessed it 3DS directly through the power port. Thanks for the heads up.

@Shworange
I was corrected earlier, it works on inferred, but yeah. I just sold mine. Works good, but im getting the New 3DS

What exactly would one use the c-stick for in Smash? I need to know what I'm gonna miss out on here.

@Danny429 Facepalm I called it ''old'' to difer from the ''New'' model.

@Tritonus It's an alternate way to do Smash atacks, and it is the only way to do a down aerial atack without fast fall.

@AdmiralThrawn Does pointing that out make you feel more important or superior?
@Yasume The deadline is past! Talking of this ancient news is pointless and laughable. I mean who talks about news that's like a week old? Come on.
The two of you should discuss over dinner and a movie how ignorant we all are for talking about something that happened so long ago.

Does this mean if you have an old style 3ds that you cannot play ssbros?