@DarthNocturnal Pretty much, looking back you could say the GC era in general had a lot of moments where you'd be wondering "Is this really Nintendo?". Part of the reason why lots of people find the GC era so memorable.
1. Again, that's NoA marketing efforts. You can't blame the actual developers on that aspect.
2. Idk.
3. Because its a spin off that tries to do something different. If you think about it, Sticker Star is a spin off of the usual ones because it doesn't have RPG stuff in it. Same goes for Color Splash as well.
4. Oh this is rich. You tell me that I shouldn't troll around others who want to play a game they are excited for and now all of a sudden you're starting to do the same thing as me.
Yeah, I didn't like Sticker Star. But that's only because of how repetitive and boring the game was because of you only doing one thing which is using stickers. Here it doesn't look like that at all.
I'm not into it because its too late for me to get the Wii U but if I had the chance, I would've tried it for sure. After all, I loooovvvvvveeeeeeeee me some Mario games.
3. Because its a spin off that tries to do something different. If you think about it, Sticker Star is a spin off of the usual ones because it doesn't have RPG stuff in it. Same goes for Color Splash as well.
They're not just spin-offs. They're main Paper Mario games, and the developers had made it very clear that this is the direction they want the series to head, meaning that the chances of getting anything like the first 3 again are rather slim.
4. Oh this is rich. You tell me that I shouldn't troll around others who want to play a game they are excited for and now all of a sudden you're starting to do the same thing as me.
Yeah, I didn't like Sticker Star. But that's only because of how repetitive and boring the game was because of you only doing one thing which is using stickers. Here it doesn't look like that at all.
I'm not into it because its too late for me to get the Wii U but if I had the chance, I would've tried it for sure. After all, I loooovvvvvveeeeeeeee me some Mario games.
Look, I'm sorry if I came off as trolling, but...what exactly IS different, here? Aren't the cards and paint essentially the same thing as the stickers? I mean, they pretty much play the same role here.
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Okay, I've only read the last few pages since my last post, but here are my thoughts after watching the E3 stream.
-With the EXP system back, I think I might get this game. However, I'll probably buy it used months after release.
-I think cards are limited, but you get the cards you used back after each battle.
-Seeing the scarfed toads in particular on the cover art seems interesting. Even without party members, if a group of toads with varied personalities follow you in areas throughout the story, then it gives me some hope with the story.
-Still disappointed with all the toads though.
-The Paint Bucket at least seems more interesting than Kristi.
-I'm tired of the koopalings, but Morton referring to someone as 'Master' rather than Bowser gives me some hope the villain will be an original character.
-In fact, I'm sure of it. It's normally Bowser's style to brag about everything, so the mystery tone at the beginning doesn't seem in-character in the case it is Bowser. He's likely going to have his generic villain role in the game though.
-That Q and A was utter garbage. Was she even listening to herself.
So yes, I'm VERY skeptical, but intrigued just enough to judge this game as it's own thing. I highly doubt it will match to the first 3 games like anyone else, but will still give this a chance.
Even if you're not looking forward to this game, you have to admit the box art is quite impressive.
Yeah, the visuals are the best part of the game. The only good things about this game I can think of are the amazing graphics, the solid soundtrack and the inclusion of the koopalings.
Everything else is a disappointment from what we've seen.
@Octane That's... not the same.
There's a difference with characters that join you with different motivations and goals than a random summon that only does normal attacks.
@Seacliff It's a Mario game though, I don't really mind the casual approach, we don't have enough casual RPGs. I you want a deep story, there's plenty of other games to choose from. Because again, this is a Mario game after all. Anyway, I like the enemy cards, you can summon a specifix enemy whenever you like.
They're not just spin-offs. They're main Paper Mario games, and the developers had made it very clear that this is the direction they want the series to head, meaning that the chances of getting anything like the first 3 again are rather slim.
Look, I'm sorry if I came off as trolling, but...what exactly IS different, here? Aren't the cards and paint essentially the same thing as the stickers? I mean, they pretty much play the same role here.
1. Actually, it does. NoA has some of the oddest marketing skills out there. For games like Lost Levels to not come to the west is understandable yet for games like Fusion having its hard mode removed in west makes no sense whatsoever.
I got no issues in them censoring stuff as I can understand why they need to feel like doing that but releasing a game like Fatal Frame only on digital and not having a physical copy of the game and not having the physical copy of Rhythm Heaven 3DS but having the digital version of it unlike the UK makes you scratch your head so hard on NoA.
Keep in mind I'm not criticizing the real Nintendo here. I'm criticizing the Nintendo of America division that is the oddest of the headquarters out there.
Yes I'm grateful that they release Nintendo games to us here in the west and yes I should be very happy about that but when it comes to their marketing being broken and if a series can't sell well in the west because of the things that they did that caused it to not sell well, we can't get more of those games because NoA caused those games to fail and not Nintendo itself.
2. Again, no matter what you claim it to be, Paper Mario is a spin off series in itself. Its not a big IP and it was never meant to be a big IP. It was meant to be something that could use less budget for trying out stuff. If this was an actual major IP that is to the like of Metroid for example and if they were to use this sticker star mechanic in future games, then I'd solely agree that this would end up splitting the fanbase even more than now.
The Nintendo fanbase in general is splitted up already to the point that Nintendo can't figure out what to do at this point other than taking chances big or small.
3. At this point, I have a feeling that we may never see a traditional Mario RPG game ever again. And no I'm not trolling here at all. After looking at the sales of Paper Jam which is lower than Dream Team which is even lower than Bowser's Inside Story if those two are combined, Nintendo may no longer make traditional Mario RPGs ever again.
If you think about it, the mechanics in the Mario & Luigi series don't really need to have RPG elements when you think about it. They could just do like what they did for Sticker Star and use off heart blocks etc to make the game less of an RPG....kinda what Zelda used to be.
Same thing for Paper Mario. There really isn't much of a need to add RPG mechanics into the series when the whole mechanic itself is better off being streamlined like what Sticker Star tried to do.
No, I'm not saying that Sticker Star is great. The way its executed in Sticker Star is terrible but if they can fix all the issues that Sticker Star had which is to not make it so damn repetitive and dull, then Color Splash might end up doing great and if that is the case, then we all have to move on from this point on.
The only thing that Nintendo can possibly do is to make an engaging story like Thousand Year Door as that game has the best written story I've ever seen in a Mario game.....and that its a spin off. I would love Nintendo to do something like that but since NoA has this odd way of doing things, I think its unlikely that will ever happen.
I can only hope that Nintendo sees that there is a market for RPG games and explores more in that market.
EDIT: Trolling is trolling....there's nothing to be sorry about that because the industry in general is about trolling around. I can't even maintain happiness after I stop playing Nintendo games because I read trolling posts all day even when I don't want to. After seeing you defend Federation force to a degree, I had hope that you can make some guys here positive in what Nintendo has to offer....but I guess I was wrong in that.
@Octane My view is as long as it fixes issues that Sticker Star had even if you treated it as its own game rather than in the same franchise as 64 and TTYD then I'm sure Color Splash will be a fun experience. We're already seeing some fixes already like the paint EXP meter (which when filled up increases the max paint you can hold) meaning even grunt battles (e.g. Goombas and Koopas) are meaningful.
@Grumblevolcano I understand the issue with the battle mechanic in Sticker Star, so it's good to see that there's a reason behind battles in Color Splash. It looks pretty and the gameplay is fine from what I've seen. I get that it isn't the same as TTYD, but whatever, doesn't mean that this game will be a bad game.
old Paper Mario not being able to exist because of Mario & Luigi.
Who on earth said that? They ran concurrently just fine for over half a decade, and NOW it's a problem?
Go to 6:19. Basically, she said that because Mario & Luigi exists, Paper Mario can't be an rpg...that is a fat load of crap. Seriously, the two are actually very different from each-other, so I THINK they can coexist together! In addition to that, from what I've heard, in the original upload (would love it if anyone here can confirm this), she literally said "If you want an rpg, go play Mario & Luigi", or in other words, "Yeah, another Paper Mario rpg ain't happening, so just play something else instead." And to that I say this: if I want to spend money on something, I'll just spend it on something else!
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