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LegoNintendo12

Endriu7777 wrote:

Well, it got me thinking - the new nintendo home console has been announced with the Wii U just 2,5 years out - thats pretty early on in the game, unprecedented I guess. The Wii U has been a commercial failure so far, nintendo doesnt seem to be able to put out as many quality games as their fans would hope for. Zelda U would have been a killer application this holiday season - its doubtful, however, that it would have changed that much - and maybe nintendo knows that they just don't have so much up their sleeve after zelda - I mean, there is a possible metroid game, but what else can they bring out? - they realized that they have lost almost all third party support and will not regain it, at least not for the wii u. There might be something to it.

They only have a couple of options in my opinion

They can either have all their development teams develop awesome wii u titles and try to keep the systems alive as long as possible and when they finally bring out the next console they will again have just a few launch games and software droughts as their teams might have trouble coming up with new titles because they have spend their ideas, time and resources on wii u titles.

Or they can finish a those couple of games they had already announced, like yoshi, star fox etc. and bring out a game per quarter, while having their development teams already working on the new gen thus ensuring a more or less succesful launch and less software droughts later on.

IMHO the only thing that can save them if they make their next gen console fully backwards compatible with wii/wii u titles. If they were to bring out a new, much more powerful system with awesome launch titles that could run the entire wii/wii u library that could be a game changer. I know some people said its impossible as they are moving on to x86 architecture - but I think it could be possible somehow. Lets just say I would be very disappointed if its not backwards compatible after having invested in a system that just spawned a couple of titles worth mentioning and lasted only 3-4 years

I agree, instead of having a "Version" of these games on the NX. Have a few big blockbuster launch titles and make the Wii U's library backwards compatible with the NX. If the advertising is solid those Wii U games will be bought.

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jariw

Endriu7777 wrote:

Well, it got me thinking - the new nintendo home console has been announced with the Wii U just 2,5 years out

When did Nintendo say that NX is the new Nintendo home console?

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Bolt_Strike

KryptoKrunch wrote:

How are people figuring that Zelda U will be on NX when Zelda U might even come out BEFORE the NX is actually fully revealed?! We'll get the NX at the earliest Q3/Q4 2016, maybe even 2017.. Zelda U WILL come out next year. I don't know, I think people are just jumping the gun and assuming like crazy. The Wii U still has life left in it.

Thing is though, if Zelda was going to be ready for an early 2016 release, it'd at least show up at E3. But they're not even showing it off this year, which implies that Zelda is looking at a holiday 2016 release. I doubt though, that NX will be releasing in 2016 because they usually show off their hardware a year before it releases, and 2017 feels like a natural stopping point for the Wii U anyway. But one year apart doesn't stop them from remastering Zelda U for NX, and I have a sneaking suspicion that they're going to do something along those lines when NX releases.

Anyway, I don't think the delay of Zelda is really writing on the wall in and of itself, but the fact that they won't even show it off because they want to focus on 2015 is. That implies that the momentum is slowing in 2016 and they want to conserve some of their 2016 games because there's not going to be enough of them to afford to show off the larger, more intensive games early. If there's even any larger, more intensive games that they have left for Wii U.

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Endriu7777

jariw wrote:

Endriu7777 wrote:

Well, it got me thinking - the new nintendo home console has been announced with the Wii U just 2,5 years out

When did Nintendo say that NX is the new Nintendo home console?

I don't know

Well, they said its gonna be their next hardware system, a new handheld would be quite unlikely, now that the new 3ds has just come out.

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Endriu7777

Bolt_Strike wrote:

KryptoKrunch wrote:

How are people figuring that Zelda U will be on NX when Zelda U might even come out BEFORE the NX is actually fully revealed?! We'll get the NX at the earliest Q3/Q4 2016, maybe even 2017.. Zelda U WILL come out next year. I don't know, I think people are just jumping the gun and assuming like crazy. The Wii U still has life left in it.

Thing is though, if Zelda was going to be ready for an early 2016 release, it'd at least show up at E3. But they're not even showing it off this year, which implies that Zelda is looking at a holiday 2016 release. I doubt though, that NX will be releasing in 2016 because they usually show off their hardware a year before it releases, and 2017 feels like a natural stopping point for the Wii U anyway. But one year apart doesn't stop them from remastering Zelda U for NX, and I have a sneaking suspicion that they're going to do something along those lines when NX releases.

Anyway, I don't think the delay of Zelda is really writing on the wall in and of itself, but the fact that they won't even show it off because they want to focus on 2015 is. That implies that the momentum is slowing in 2016 and they want to conserve some of their 2016 games because there's not going to be enough of them to afford to show off the larger, more intensive games early. If there's even any larger, more intensive games that they have left for Wii U.

Absolutely agreed! - Its one thing to delay a game - it happens and if they want to secure quality then its for the better - but not showing it off during e3 is not really good

IMHO e3 will be very important for nintendo and its wii u future (if there is any).

THey shouldnt put their whole focus on 2015 during e3, it might make some people wonder if there is gonna be something for 2016 left, save for Zelda U of course,

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iKhan

In terms of its actual lifecycle, no. In terms of sales, definitely. Nintendo lacks a big game to close out a year that was supposed to be big for Wii U.

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jariw

Endriu7777 wrote:

jariw wrote:

Endriu7777 wrote:

Well, it got me thinking - the new nintendo home console has been announced with the Wii U just 2,5 years out

When did Nintendo say that NX is the new Nintendo home console?

I don't know

Well, they said its gonna be their next hardware system, a new handheld would be quite unlikely, now that the new 3ds has just come out.

Is this some kind of joke post?

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To everybody saying they KNEW it wouldn't come out 2015, and there was NO WAY!!! "How could you even think that?" Skyward Sword came out Nov. 20, 2011. So the end of this year (when it almost certainly would've come, had it been released this year) would be 4 full years since the home console Zelda. That is not only completely realistic, but there have been many 4 year development cycles of Zelda games, although some, yes, have been longer. It's very realistic that it could've happened so stop acting like those of us that thought it was coming this year are ridiculous for thinking it.

And to the people who love to comment on making threads, I don't care. If I have something to say about a game, I want to start a new discussion on it separate from a thread on page 293. Sorry if don't have time to go read through everything written about a topic I want to discuss. If it's that big of a deal, the site will prevent me from making threads, and everyone will go right on living their lives just like they were. It's not a big deal. Get over there being more than one thread about something. That's the way every other forum in the world works.

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Neuromincer

We don't actually know what the NX is at this stage. I think the timing of the two announcements is unfortunate and is leading people to make pronouncements based on speculation and miss-truths. I think the Zelda announcement had little to do with NX, and more about letting investors know that a tent-pole title was not going to appear within the next financial year (March 31). The game looked a little rough in late December, so its hardly surprising the game is being delayed, but to suggest the game is being delayed to appear on a future platform which we know nothing about is kind of absurd.

Also Iwata has been on record numerous occasions to say that they are NOT making a hybrid device. I would guess that the X refers to a unified architecture, OS and account system shared between its next line of handhelds/console. If anything, I would guess that NX is akin to what the original DS was. Nintendo have never released a home console before a handheld in any generation, and I don't expect that to change. Iwata also suggested at a February investors meeting that there are more unannounced games coming to Wii U in 2015. So it's not like what we already know is all that is coming out.

I would be astounded to see Nintendo move Zelda wii u to another platform. Each console iteration has got at least one original Zelda title to itself, and I would see that as a massive slap in the face to early adopters and core fans. Thankfully, i'm pretty sure they would not do that. I think everyone should calm down and wait until E3 is over to start writing the wii u's eulogy.

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iKhan wrote:

In terms of its actual lifecycle, no. In terms of sales, definitely. Nintendo lacks a big game to close out a year that was supposed to be big for Wii U.

We all know sales weren't going anywhere even if Zelda was releasing this year. Let's not pretend that Zelda would have done anything when 3D World, Kart, and Smash all failed.

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Ayup. Zelda would not have been some miracle to the Wii U

Probably because...
Mario didn't sell it
Kart didn't sell it
Smash of all things hasn't sold it
Amiibo isn't selling it, though ironically amiibo will easily outsell it
Splatoon will most likely not sell it due to bad decisions with its features
anyone who wants Xenoblade most likely has a Wii U
anyone who wants Zelda... you see where this is going
if marketing......oh wait o_o

Sure I enjoy my wii u but damn has Nintendo made one mama mia of a mishap with it, poor marketing, didn't even try to capture third parties for the 4th time ina row.. and I hope this game does release next year and sell well for all the hard work they are putting into it, although part of me sees it going over to the NX and cross-releasing on that and Wii U but that's just a personal hunch considering 2016 isn't even a confirmed release window for Zelda, just their going to focus on development and making it the ultimate Zelda.

Overall I'm happy it got delayed, just means we will get a better game if it remains on the U or not and on the other hand i am a little upset, but at the same time I know that the U is too far in for even Zelda to save it. With that have a good weekend TingLz

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TuVictus

True, but I think Nintendo was hoping to give it one last little bump in sales for the year with it. It just Sucks that there's no game to really do that now. Certainly not xbx or starfox

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Neuromincer

Launching with Mario 64 didn't help that console match, let alone exceed SNES numbers.

I think people take too much stock in the 'big name' games' ability to move hardware out of the gate. We all know those games will arrive at some stage in the console's life. If you open with 3D Mario and Zelda at launch, then where do you go from there?? What I think is crucial is that they create compelling hardware and listen to the sort of online features people want from a modern game console, and create games with those things in mind. I think they need to broaden their appeal, and creating some compelling software outside of their main franchises, that actually shows off the value of their console will be the key at launch. People like to get excited over 'new' things. Look at the way Splatoon has been received for instance.

Zelda launching on a next gen console wont make it move 100 million units. I think the most sensible course of action is to see this gen through, till 2017/18. Make sure the core fans are satisfied, then have another crack. Cutting short this gen will have dire consequences imo. Due to Nintendo's insistence on creating unique hardware and game experiences, there is absolutely no guarantee that the wii u successor will fare any better. They need to stay the course.

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LzWinky

renaryuugufan92 wrote:

TingLz wrote:

Ayup. Zelda would not have been some miracle to the Wii U

Probably because...
Mario didn't sell it
Kart didn't sell it
Smash of all things hasn't sold it
Amiibo isn't selling it, though ironically amiibo will easily outsell it
Splatoon will most likely not sell it due to bad decisions with its features
anyone who wants Xenoblade most likely has a Wii U
anyone who wants Zelda... you see where this is going
if marketing......oh wait o_o

Sure I enjoy my wii u but damn has Nintendo made one mama mia of a mishap with it, poor marketing, didn't even try to capture third parties for the 4th time ina row.. and I hope this game does release next year and sell well for all the hard work they are putting into it, although part of me sees it going over to the NX and cross-releasing on that and Wii U but that's just a personal hunch considering 2016 isn't even a confirmed release window for Zelda, just their going to focus on development and making it the ultimate Zelda.

Overall I'm happy it got delayed, just means we will get a better game if it remains on the U or not and on the other hand i am a little upset, but at the same time I know that the U is too far in for even Zelda to save it. With that have a good weekend TingLz

Thanks?

Anyway, amiibo outselling it is not that ironic. Amiibo are multiple small statues while the Wii U is a more expensive system. People will tend to have more amiibos than Wii Us each

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LegoNintendo12

Would we be having this discussion if the Wii U was selling well despite the "Reveal" of NX and Zelda being delayed?

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TuVictus

I think if the Wii U was selling well, the DeNA partnership would have never happened and thus there wouldn't have been a single mention of the NX yet. The timeline would be all wonky you see. We are in the "Wii U fails (to sell alot)" timeline

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LegoNintendo12

Operative wrote:

I think if the Wii U was selling well, the DeNA partnership would have never happened and thus there wouldn't have been a single mention of the NX yet. The timeline would be all wonky you see. We are in the "Wii U fails (to sell alot)" timeline

Actually that's a good point, DeNA partnership was a bold move but something Nintendo needed to do to stay relevant, and if the Wii U was selling well relevance wouldn't be such of an issue.

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