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Anti-Matter

@Octane
Well... Because i have no interest with Banjo-Kazooie looking.
I have looked at them so many times, their games on Xbox 360, but alas.... still have no chemistry with their games.

The things i LOVE :
1. Dance Dance Revolution
2. Eurobeat songs
3. Japan
4. Six pack dudes
5. Cute Chibi looking
6. Boxing & Kickboxing
7. Girly games
8. Life simulation games
9. White & Blue colors
10. Anthro animals

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Grumblevolcano

@BlueOcean I'm on about what I see, you'd think more options would be a positive thing but I'm seeing a lot more negative reception. Though maybe it's to do with how there aren't really dedicated sites for Xbox players to meet up anymore, I remember Pure Xbox being a good site before it shut down.

My own main problems with Xbox are just:

  • The XB1 OS though the new one in preview that looks like a hybrid between Xbox 360's New Xbox Experience and the Switch OS looks promising
  • Harder to find new games if you're not subscribed to Game Pass

Grumblevolcano

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ralphdibny

It's weird because I thought that, (especially last gen) Microsoft had a diverse portfolio and they were specifically noted to "casualise" Rare after they bought them by having them make Kinect games. That doesn't mean that Gears of war doesn't exist but their games were diverse and not just shooting games. One of the gold games recently was a casual kart racer from the 360 era that used the avatars.

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NEStalgia

Introducing @Eel, the NL resident shrink.

@Octane I still don't understand the "not enough exclusives" argument like we talked about a few weeks ago. Does a game being locked to a particular hardware platform make the game better? Yes, if the starting point is "I really want to play GoW and P5 most of all" then yes, you need a PS. If the starting point is "I really want to play BotW and Splatoon" then, yes, you need a Switch. But your starting point isn't specifically "I want Gow, P5 and BotW so XBox doesn't help me play the games I most want to play." You starting point is "I looked at the numerical index of exclusive games and XBox comes up lower so there must be less there I want to play."

Maybe, like you said last time, you're not too interested in too many games, so the better platform to play most multiplats on doesn't appeal to you as much as particular games you can get on other systems and not on XBox. But the framing of your argument isn't that. The framing of the argument is about the listed number of games that are hardware-locked, not about what games you particularly want to play being unavailable on the hardware.

TBH that argument isn't far from "there's not enough kiddie family G rated games, despite all the lists of kiddie family G rated games people keep providing." '

You can just say "I love the Playstation brand and the color blue!" It's ok, we won't think less of you Though....I mean....your avatar is green, sooo..........

@Anti-Matter Don't let others frame your interest for you. Don't get sucked into the "but the exclusives" arguments. Think of a console as a window to your games. Switch, obviously is very unique with it's portability. But between XB and PS - think of it as a window. Imagine you have both machines. You turn them on - don't think about what is exclusive to each. Think about having your favorite games on BOTH machines. Portia, FF, Portal Knights, etc. What about the product and the offered services makes you want to play on one or the other.

It may come down to preferring one controller, or the white limited edition you can get, or how the discs look on your shelf, and that's fine. But "how many exclusive games" isn't the best reason to decide since most of the games are common to both machines. The reason to pick one is more about which physical hardware and controllers you prefer, which one handles patches, updates, and subscriptions in a way you prefer, etc.

Personally I think for digital buyers XBox has the better ecosystem by far. However for physical buyers, PS probably has the edge in how they handle that part of their ecosystem - that might be where your preference comes into play. Right now, as a company, MS is more gamer friendly and Sony is more anti-consumer. But that only lasts as long as Sony's in the lead and MS is the underdog. It'll flip the other way when that changes. I do love this new generation-less approach though. The idea that all you need is "an XBox" and not "an XBox X" to play the new games is a big deal. Sony and Nintendo tend to stick to generation locks- you need a PS5 to play new games. You'll need a PS6 to play new games after that, etc. Unless MS pushes them to join in by competition/

@Octane MS has commented on a focus on multiplayer and online service games in the past, and to a degree online/services is kind of the schtick. Moreover Sony's focus on cinema-like games is kind of their "brand" so MS and Nintendo both need to find their own niches that aren't as glued to Sony's wheelhouse.

However, I also think the "multiplayer" focus has really gone to EA/Activision and other companies are having a hard time really breaking into that arena in a meaningful way. Nintendo's schtick is more "games as toys" - interactive experiences that aren't a defined story, but also aren't very online. MS, I think with their new studios and from their experiments is going in a slightly different direction. They're less focused on "make everything Gears and Halo to compete with COD" than they were, but they're also not going for the cinematic experience. IMO I think they're leaning into "scale" more. They seem to be looking more toward the "interactive world" angle more, and their newfound glut of RPG veteran studios speaks to that, along with the modern incarnation of MS Flight Sim, and, despite the multiplaeyr focus, SoT. I'm expecting, from them, things that are neither short and sweet single player stories, and more about big interactive, yes, internet connected, places that serve as evergreen long term play environments. Be it an open flight sim world to fly around in, or a big open world Fable/RPG world that's somewhat connected by not an MMO, etc. In a sense, kind of Nintendo-like. More of a toy than a movie you play. But with that "big" scale (that may also feel kind of "empty" if it's not focused and planned enough) that Nintendo doesn't aim for.

Since XBL is MS's strength, I think their 1st party is going to really focus on BIG above all else, evergreen/persistent, and leveraging their servers/services/connectivity/community in ways that Sony and Nintendo really don't/can't, but I also think that doesn't inherently mean "not single player" as much as "shared play space" in a persistent world" being a focus. (And of course it will be on PC as well - people forever miss that Windows & XBox are BOTH the "MS gaming platform.")

@Anti-Matter "Banjo-Kazooie"
Well, that will just make Mr. Sakurai sad....

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BruceCM

I think some people assume that we all want to play certain PS 'exclusives', @NEStalgia .... Although a lot will come even to other consoles after awhile, anyway Sounds like when people were trying to persuade me I should get a PS4 rather than XB1, even after I'd said I wasn't actually that interested in PS exclusives

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Anti-Matter

@NEStalgia
""Banjo-Kazooie"
Well, that will just make Mr. Sakurai sad...."

I don't even like Smash Bros game so whatever characters put on it will not made me got interested. I am not on the same train to Smash Bros Hype. I am on the train to different hype destination, the hype of games that most peoples will frowning their faces when they realized what games i like the most.

The things i LOVE :
1. Dance Dance Revolution
2. Eurobeat songs
3. Japan
4. Six pack dudes
5. Cute Chibi looking
6. Boxing & Kickboxing
7. Girly games
8. Life simulation games
9. White & Blue colors
10. Anthro animals

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Octane

@NEStalgia I don't remember us talking about that lol.

But no, an exclusive game doesn't make it better (though they tend to be better games, but I won't get into that). But if there's more of them that I'm interested, it will make the purchase more worthwhile. I already own a PS4, so a new third party game coming to both PS4 and Xbox isn't going to create more interest in Xbox One personally. For that I need something I can't play on PS4/Switch. There are a few – what's that cave game called again? The one that's presumably in development hell – but not enough. Recore looks interesting, but it's one of those games you get when you own the system, it's not really a system seller to me. Same with Sunset Overdrive. Those two and a few exclusive indie games are all I want to play, but those are not enough to warrant a purchase.

And no, the decision between PS4 and Xbox wasn't the number of exclusives, I bought a PS4 when they announced The Last Guardian and Horizon among others. Uncharted and Tearaway were already announced, so there were at least a bunch of exclusive games I wanted to play on PS4, alongside stuff like The Witcher and Tomb Raider, which wouldn't see a Wii U release anyway.

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DarthNocturnal

Many of the exclusives I would've wanted on PS4 went multi-plat (see; Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts). So, between XB1 and Switch, I'm pretty much set. If only we could pry Spiderman away...

I also like MS's exclusives, so, there's that. Halo, Forza, SoT and other Rare games. Heck, I even enjoyed SoD 2. And while they aren't exclusive anymore, Cuphead and Ori are good too.

For a few XB exclusives that are missing, it's probably just because I haven't gotten around to playing them yet. Like Gears.

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NEStalgia

@Octane These days I've got to the point that the games you get because you own the system tend to be the better games than the "system sellers" that, BotW aside, tend to be one trick ponies that wear off fast. (Well, except Knack. I'll buy any system for Knack. And I'm only half-sarcastic there...there's truth in it.)

I see your point to a degree. Though it's a point that I think, MS would do well having some sort of "try it before you buy it" program. I once agreed with you, until living with both machines and found just picking a game and getting into it and interacting in general just felt so much nicer on XB. Don't get me wrong, I have a good "pride of ownership" when I use my PS4 too, and I love the soothing background music and blue wave theme. For me, personally, X1 was one of those things I didn't get it even when I first bought it until I just lived side by side with the two and realized I was gravitating more frequently toward XB when I had a choice of either. Using it just felt more seamless. Particularly with a digital library. Of course then I spent half the rest of the year playing on PS...not because I preferred it but each time I would choose to play a game that I happened to have bought on PS first.

I do think, though, if I were still stuck with garbage internet and still doing physical-only I would have the opposite impression. Though honestly BOTH of them have gone so far into needing so much downloaded junk I'd probably just hate both of them and double down on Switch.

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Octane

@NEStalgia Oh yeah, I mostly get my games physical, it's way cheaper as well over here. So there's that too, I personally don't really care about the online environment or streaming, which I realise has probably been sorted out better on Microsoft's front.

Funny you mention that, because I thought BOTW was kinda ho-hum

Though maybe I should've been more clear. I meant personal system sellers. The games that convince you to buy a system. Don't know what else you call those. I would buy a PS5 for God of War 2 for example, or Ueda's next game, though that won't be a system seller for many. If there's a Days Gone 2, they can keep it I wasn't really impressed; but I know a lot of people liked that game.

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redd214

Exclusives make a huge difference for me personally. To echo what Octane said this generation there was really only a handful of games only on Xbox that I was interested in. Doesn't mean I have a narrow gaming appetite just not enough there to compel me to keep my One S after playing through them. Thankfully with the services they've brought out I won't even need an actual Xbox moving forward to play those. Though they got trounced in the hardware sales department, Microsoft definitely made up for it in other ways and in terms of value overall.

redd214

NEStalgia

@Octane Yeah, it's a bit hard to decipher in the current "50GB patches as standard" environment, but back a few years ago, all physical, I did have significanly less interest in XBox (despite also preferring 360 over PS3 last gen after, also getting PS first last gen and ending up disappointed as time went by in terms of 3rd party game performance.) Honestly with publishers as they are, both of them are too dependent on online everything for patches. For physical I do still feel PS is the better ecosystem since it seems to be at least (these days) slightly less online dependent, for, at least, 1st party offerings. I bought into X1 as a "treat to myself" after I finally got real internet, with the specific goal of using it as my digital-only system. It was supposed to be a secondary option to my "preferred" PS4. Somehow it ended up overtaking and replacing it with how enjoyable it was.

OTOH, PS is in the stone age with how it handles data and online. Very Nintendo-ish. In that sense, even on bad internet, MS has advantages. Namely, the ability to back up your installed data. PS lets you MOVE it. Or re-download it to a different drive, but not outright copy it to a backup drive as MS does. That's not insignificant for the bandwidth-strapped.

Of course in the 8k next gen......everyone's hosed without a OC line plugged into their console...

Funny thing is, I have GoW...I played 20 min of it. It's a fantastic game, quite clearly. Yet any time I sort through all my piles of "what should I play next" it never makes my cut. Can't say most MS first parties do either. P5 is probably "soon" on my list, and that's PS only. Though since the enhanced version comes out in March that's probably a "next year" game.

When I think of upgrading, I find myself with a massive digital library for X1 that all gets a boost outo f the box with an upgrade. PS5, it just gives me access to the next iteration of some franchises I happen to also like. A new Persona, I'd buy day 1. A new uncharted, I'll wait for the inevitable cooler running Slim. Knack 3, I'll import from Japan Day 0 from a scalper.

I certainly like my PS4 and the experiences I've had from it, but as a multi-console owner my mindset is kind of: "Do I want to play Nintendo stuff/portably?" If No: Is there a PS specific game I want to play this month? If no: All other games are on the sort of swiss-army gaming system, the XBox (and/or windows.) It's the box i pick up, browse the whole collection of what I have, and decide to get into something. In a way you could say PS/Nintendo is like going to the movies, and XBox is like browsing through cable channels to find something on with the way I use it, if you want to be cynical.

But at the end of the day, I suppose I'm anchored by this huge library now, but my preferred tends to go where the winds take me. The underdog is often the more enjoyable experience. If MS reaches dominance again, they'll certainly end up producing a sucky "because we can, and because you have to" environment again, and PS will be making odes to fun again, and I'll probably drift that way. And Nintendo will just keep Nintendoing.

@redd214 Oh, I hadn't realized you were leaving XBox hardware behind entirely!

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redd214

@NEStalgia xcloud, don't need the box anymore and can still get my Forza fix

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Ralizah

Outside of maybe Horizon: Zero Dawn and Persona, Sony has no system sellers for me. And the next Persona will 100% at least be playable on PS4 at release. Atlus almost always develops for older and more well-supported platforms, even late into a generation.

I would say FFVIIR, but I expect future entries will be hitting PC the same time as PS5.

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XBontendo

@Ralizah I find I don't have nearly enough time for the kind of RPG epics I would like to play on playstation. I'll wait for FFVII remake to pop over to XBox, but even then, probably not the best idea

Good on 'em for snagging that niche though.

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Grumblevolcano

To clear up any potential confusion, Gears Tactics is launching first on PC (XB1 is coming later). I was wondering why there was no preorder up on the XB1 store after the Game Awards but that's why, April 28th is only for PC.

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NEStalgia

@Ralizah That's shocking to hear you say! You've been a pretty dedicated PS fan so far.

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Ralizah

@NEStalgia Not really.

I owned a 360 and Wii last gen. I love my Vita, but always used my 3DS a lot more. And, as I've said here many, many times, Sony's exclusives are often too Western and "cinematic" for my liking, and I generally wait on games (like DQXI) to see if they'll get a Switch version.

I love the Dualshock 4, and my opinion stands that Sony is well-equipped to dominate the traditional home console space with the PS5, as they've done almost continuously since they first entered the gaming market in the 90's, but I haven't been a dedicated PS fan since 2007 or so.

As a portable gamer and fan of Japanese game design, Nintendo is the only company I've been consistently faithful to for the last decade or so.

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NEStalgia

@Ralizah Well, I've said a few times, I currently HOPE Sony dominates again. As long as that's status quo MS keeps aiming to provide value

But yeah, i do tend to favor Japanese game design more times than not as well, which keeps me less engaged with anything other than Nintendo than I always expect. These days though it's almost a coin toss with sony and ms.... And strangely Sony seems bent on actively rejecting Japan while MS seems intent on actively courting Japan... At least devs, if not consumers. Interesting times...

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XBontendo

NEStalgia wrote:

i do tend to favor Japanese game design more times than not as well

Until just this generation I'd have agreed with you. I don't know what clicked, but I've been favouring western games a lot more recently (ie Outer Worlds/Pillars of Eternity/Cuphead/Doom)

Nintendo's been scratching any Japanese Game design itches I've had, but the western world has really been picking up in the "decent games" department.

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