To add to your point, Sea of Thieves is one of the most successful Xbox One games (console sales and PC sales) but also one of the top Game Pass games. Forza Horizon 4 was on Game Pass at launch as well and it was (and still is) on the multiplatform charts. People play games on Game Pass but people also buy Game Pass games even when they're subscribed. The number of subscribers has increased 5 million in 6 months.
@Magonigal Microsoft's 1st party problem wasn't a result of being in the gaming industry for a shorter time span, it was a result of Don Mattrick's leadership (a load of 1st party studios were closed in the late 360 era and early XB1 era).
@Grumblevolcano
Fair enough, I do know that Microsoft used to close a lot of studios. I still think that Sony had seven more years of being the number one console gaming company to build studios and Microsoft has tended to acquire them but not sure so you're probably right
@Octane How do you build up new studios from scratch? They're doing that with some smaller indies like Double Fine and inExile they bought out. But you can't just create studios out of thin air. Most of Sony's were purchased as well. Only Nintendo stands out as the one that grew their in house teams. And Sega once did, but they rotted away. Microsoft didn't need studios ready to go by 2034. They need studios ready to go today. I know MS has a lengthy history of just buying technology they need.....but in this case, I don't really see a realistic alternative. "Just sit tight while we redo X1 and by the next xbox generation we'll definitely be able to give you some great exclusives mid-way through that gen, assuming studio building goes better than it did with 343!" isn't going to fly.
@BlueOcean Don't forget the sheer genius of GP discounts on games that are on GP, too. So if you buy a game, you're getting a little return on that. Ironically even on $70 games that just yields a bigger discount bringing prices to $63 for any game that launches on GP, even if it's $70 MSRP. That invites purchases as well.
@GrumbleVolcano yeah and people miss how important leadership is. Iwatas Nintendo....is not current Nintendo at all. they've become Sony-like money grubbers recently, though I adore their creative output and hardware. Tretton, Hirai, Layden, Shu Yoshida, House's Sony is not Ken Yoshida & Ryan's Sony.They're making the Mattrick era mistakes. Not with studios, but with policy.
@GilbertXI
No, I would like a remastered version as well and then a proper sequel although it's true that it's much easier to just make it back-compat. For the first time it's actually possible. Xbox is the home of western style RPGs
@Dezzy That probably wouldn't fix the literal beehive of bugs in the game, at least I wouldn't think so. Also they had to cut a lot of content because development was rushed, it would be awesome if they added some in an official remaster.
@NEStalgia I don't think the Bethesda acquisition was bad. They were in a pretty rough patch(fallout 76 that's why), if they asked 5 years ago the price would have been much higher. It's the attitude of some people that worries me. I see it a lot in YouTube comment sections:
"Hmmm, what's next, they should buy [insert multi-million megacorp here] to do this and that." That's...not very good. I hope to heaven that they don't buy Sega, I really don't. I'm confident that Microsoft knows their boundaries anyways and they won't really be serious about it. Not to mention Sega would turn it down, they're rolling in dollars(or Yen's, whatever) right now. An exclusive deal for some game does make sense though, they could go that route.
@BlueOcean the new 980 pro nvme4 1tb (same tech as ps5) is 120 at newegg. Launched yesterday. XSeX nvme3 should be cheaper, otherwise Seagate is scalping, though ms could be using an upcharge to offset console subsidy.
@GilbertXI yeah i think Bethesda got too big for their real capacity after Skyrim and was in over their heads. I'm not sure how 76 went as bad as it did, but it's telling when teso, zenimax actual mmo is a far better single player game and far more faithful to the source material than Bethesda game studios own fallout game, and the fallout game has far more monetization than teso, the actual mmo. You can play teso without any in game currency and no subscription unless you're a crafting maven. The only things i even bought in game currency for were dlc expansion regions and 2 small qol addons. One was a popup store you can sell loot anywhere, and i forget the other. Other than that it's a complete solo massive tes game, quests and all. 76 otoh is pay to play and impossible to solo, after Todd declared it not an mmo.......
I think they were in way too deep and the injection of capital to be a first party is mostly going to keep them from falling on their faces. Even if they're slower than 343 in a bad year...
But yeah internet fans and the "they should buy x, y, or z"is dangerous. I'm sure they were really taking to wb, but that was a studio publicly on the auction block, so that's a different scenario. Sega is a silly one. Sammy has made no mention of wanting to divest Sega, and Microsoft has no use for a casino machine company. Ms has incredibly close ties to sega, and sega is deeply ingrained in Xbox, but i don't think they're for sale to begin with. And Japan blocks big foreign buyouts apparently. (Why doesn't every country do that???)
Xbox Series S is still very easy find a place to preorder from, I wonder if that's Microsoft making more Series S than Series X or people just don't want it.
@Grumblevolcano
I think it's more that early adopters are the enthusiasts who would want the best console and when they go on general sale to the public Series S will sell better to people who are just more price conscious
Yeah, by all accounts they made a lot more of the X available than the S but longer term, it'll be interesting to see how sales of them compare .... If people have decent sized libraries of physical games & plan to keep buying those, whether for collection reasons or just because they become available pre-owned before you'd expect digital sales, for instance
@Dezzy@NEStalgia More retailers are using that price. These are pre-orders but that might be the final price (in Australia and USA). We still don't know price in pounds and euros. Remember that the memory card is more compact and has a heat sink so the technology is different than standard SSD. I wonder if you have to replace the SSD on PS5 like you do on PS4 and that is the reason why Sony is hiding the back of the PS5.
@Grumblevolcano Microsoft has produced more consoles than Sony, reported by Eurogamer. Besides, the S is the off-the-physical-shelves console like @Magonigal says. 90% of Pure Xbox readers (that pre-ordered) pre-ordered the Series X and only 10% bought the S.
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