Topic: Zelda's Wii U-Turn to NX

No game is ever ever ever "too heavily dependant on the gamepad" and they many times have done the exact opposite of what theyve said just this gen alone

@rallydefault: We have only gotten a vague 2016 release for Zelda, or have I missed something? 2016 could mean basically any month of the year.

I dont know if youre right about that, you may be, but if you go back to the first few pages of this thread i specifically mention that i know ive seen exactly this happen a couple times.

Are you suggesting this gaffe happens constantly?

It all depends on what they are doing with the gamepad. We don't know. And yes every game could be made without a gamepad, but there are certain things that are just better with it. Super Mario Maker for example. Or if they have implemented a fully fleshed crafting system, it would certainly be easier to use on a gamepad.

And what have they ever done that is on the same scale as lying us in the face as late as november 2015 about if Zelda is on the Wii U or not? Give some examples, please.

@therad
I was hesitant to say that because i knew i couldnt odfhand. I believe majoras mask 3d was said to not be being worked on. I know when asked if mm3d was being worked on he responded to play thru link between worlds to find out and at the very least that was intentionally extremely misleading

@Therad: It's coming holiday '16. I'll buy you a pony if it comes out earlier than that.

If you don't have proof, then don't spout blah. And definitely don't sound so sure of it. It is annoying as hell and only leads to unsubstantiated rumours.

Read your previous post. You complained that I said I knew what you were thinking as if this was something out of 1984. It was a figure of speach but whatever, you got worked up about it. Then you went on a rant about how you never owned a Gamecube or a Wii. That's why I asked why you were bringing that up. I never said anything about the Wii or Gamecube. Certainly not in that post at least.

Ok then, fair enough. If it's all about timing and nothing else then at least that's somewhat consistent. The "diction" bit is a bit of nonsense but anyways. I agree that I was wrong to suggest that this is just because it's Zelda.

You realise that I was speaking directly to the single argument you put up in that post? You said that it's coming to the NX because of the way they talk about it. Specifically that they keep reffering to it as the "Zelda for Wii U" in the same way they talk about Smash Bros. To quote you directly:

That's why I pointed out that they only did this the first time around. Now apparently them calling it "Zelda on Wii U" is the reverse. Now they should be calling it that because just calling it Zelda suggests it's on more than just the Wii U. Well I don't know what to say in response. They've called it "The latest Zelda for Wii U", "Zelda" and more recently "the brand new Zelda game, headed to Wii U". They've talked about it both ways. So as I said, it appears as though whatever they say you're convinced that you're right. Whatever they say it's just going to be further proof of the same.

As for the rant about me always "being right". Well in this sub forum? The only thing I've done is tried to tell people that we don't know when it's coming out and we don't know what it is. I'm open to the idea of this Zelda being on the NX. All I'm saying is that it's far from certain. Particularly with Zelda being on the NX, in order for that to work a lot of things have to line up. Any one of those things couldn't be true about the NX and even if they are ALL true they could still not port Zelda over. Scepticism and arrogance are not the same thing.

Whoa there big fella calm the language down when you talk to me first off, and second off i said i couldnt offhand and thats because im finishing up an overnight shift

It could be coming out in the holdiday, but we don't know. I would like a pink one, with a rainbow colored mane please.

To be fair Majora's Mask 3D was very, very heavily hinted. When asked about it they would laugh at the questioner rather than answer. When they said "play through A Link Between Worlds" they actually had a Majora's Mask on Link's wall. If memory serves I think they even pointed it out out to us in one of the Directs. I don't think they ever explicitly said that they weren't working on it. That's not the way Nintendo operates, their standard response to everything is a very confident "maybe, maybe not" followed by a long silence and occasionally a laugh.

@Therad: It could technically release whenever, but it is arguably the biggest release of the console's lifetime, and big releases will always be put in the holiday window, when most game purchases occur. I don't remember far back enough, but I know TP and SS both released during the holiday period. Same will happen with this, most likely.

EDIT: I accidently sent this with just your quote and no response by mistake. Hopefully you read this:

Although you are correct, I just feel that was so ridiculous and misleading, though. 1. We had already seen the mask in the previews (I forget if it was a direct or whatever, but we had seen footage and talk of the mask being on that wall was EVERYWHERE! 2. Even if point 1 wasn't so, he told us if we played through the game the question would be answered for us. And we get a mask on the wall. That does not answer the question at all like he intentionally meant to make it seem like it did! Sure, his job is to sell games. The point is, the company is not above giving out incorrect info, wrong info, or just flat doing a 180 on what they've said previously.

PS Hey who do you think you are going off and finding a new rival to argue with. WE were arguing! Just kidding, guys

I see what you're saying, but you're putting words in my mouth to further your argument. NX's lack of announced games isn't factoring into my thought process, and you can't just cram it in there for me with the tagline "Once you know about the NX's other games, this'll all go away"

The point is nothing Nintendo will make in a couple years time or so will be on the level of a 3D Zelda. It's a, pretty much, once in each console's lifetime event that is unmatched arguably in hype and unarguably in scale.

Your point of a lack of games being announced for the upcoming console is not equal to my point of a lack of games for the console being left behind.

I haven't checked the last couple of pages to this thread thoroughly but I'm curious as to your response to my point I made when I said that I said a few times in this thread that when the NX has been announced, it's been instantly compared to the Wii U (consciously or subconsciously) every time. You made a point about how only the Wii U was mentioned, not the 3DS, and the way things were worded, etc. so I was willing to grant you that point but was curious as to how you would explain the fact that this has happened atleast 3 times I've seen (I've seen 3 and I'm not sure if there's been more. That's why I say "atleast")

@skywake

I can't stop thinking about your post showing the 3DS is lacking in upcoming games just as much as the Wii U. Combining that, the recently released patent, the news a couple years ago that Nintendo combined the handheld and home consoles units, and I'm really starting to lean towards a possible "Kinda like a hybrid but not in a way we're guessing cuz nothing Nintendo EVER does is what we think they'll do"

I know you're heavily against this idea, and REALLY don't want to start up another lane in the Skywake VS LetsGoRetro Highway of Fun, but I don't think it's completely out of the question.

I very strongly agree with that assessment, my friend!

So, guys, I have been wondering something lately. The thing is, I really stopped playing games for over a decade so I've never owned a Microsoft console, and owned a PS2 in the early years but missed much of that console and the entirety of the PS3. I've spent the last few years catching up, though, just by reading magazines, watching walkthroughs and Lets Plays, and every other possibly thing there is out there nowadays.

One thing that seems to be apparent, though, is the grip over gaming that Zelda once had, as far as being the most unique, advanced game out here, seems to be long gone. I look at something like The Witcher 3, and watching a dragon being fought, or battles in games above the sky, all kinds of stuff, is just leagues ahead of what Nintendo seems to offer with it's games.

Now, I'm suspecting the answer to the question I'm going to ask is going to be similar to what MY answer was years ago, and that's "it's own special magic blend of elements", but here goes: What, if anything, does Zelda have that is ahead of the competition in the industry? Is ZeldaNX going to stand a chance?

Is there anything the series is still ahead of all others on, aside from maybe that magic blend of Zelda goodness?

It's surely not story!
Could they possibly have crafted a world with more explorations and variety than X, could they?
Zelda has always had an awesome fighting system (alteast with most entries), maybe they could enhance that by adding more weapons, things like fighting on horses or other animals etc. etc. This seems to be the one area they could stand out, but I don't think it' enough to stand out alone.

Anyways, before I start going down every single aspect a game COULD have over enough, what aspect do YOU feel could make ZeldaNX rise above the rest of it's competition?

Hey, man, I hope you're right. Nothing would make me happier than to be playing the next console Zelda this summer. Heck, anytime earlier than October '16 and I'll be very, very happy.

Anyway, I read your other post, and I think nostalgia plays a big role with Zelda (as you guessed). It just has such a culture behind it... I mean, geez, I've dragged my fiancée to the Zelda concert tour twice now lol It's just something people have grown up with and will come back to just because of the name.

Actually this is incorrect. The first time the NX was talked about it was talked about as a counter-balance to Nintendo's deal with DeNA. It was a "we may be going mobile but we're not leaving the hardware game". Then in the subsequent investor meetings the NX was talked about in reference to both the 3DS and the Wii U. Only in the gaming press have interviews read as if the 3DS does not exist.

For example in one investor meeting Iwata was asked what will happen to the Wii U once the NX launches. Whether it would still get games and how it would be different. This was the response:

There are other examples where it was talked about in the same terms but I think you get the idea.

Oh they're definitely winding down both. I can also see it being very likely that we'll get some sort of connected ecosystem. The only reason I don't like the hybrid idea is because a hybrid by its very nature is an expensive portable and an underpowered home console. It makes far more sense for those two tiers to be handled by different hardware.

Indeed, though it will be very interesting to see if anything comes of this new patent with the "supplemental computing device." Perhaps that, along with the cloud, could be something that would drastically raise the horsepower of anything "underpowered." Would also be a literal hub for an ecosystem.