Topic: Zelda's Wii U-Turn to NX

@Morpheel: thank you for that response. I think your comment is very fair and I will once again apologise for what I did, and I'm just going to say that there is at least one person I would appreciate an apology from if I'm to truly forgive and forget, but it's up to them and I doubt they're going to. But I for one am more than happy if people would just shut up about it now

Back to Zelda U speculation everyone! I think I'm gonna, I dunno, play a game or something, and I think there's only one game suitable after this debacle. The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess!

Oh and I used the Contact feature to send an e-mail about my personal more in depth opinion on the matter and potential future improvements for the site BTW. Happy gaming everyone!

Can we not just have a poll people at N-Life? You are good at making polls.

@TheLastLugia

Try to stop being so sensitive. Ive been insulted plenty here as well but none of it, mine included, is so harsh that mods should get involved. Half the time im joking. I am sorry if it offended you.

We don't have the full transcript of the interview would be the first thing I'd point out so we don't know what questions were asked. But what is clear is that no questions were asked about the 3DS. Lots of questions asked about the Wii U and mobile.

For sure he did specifically make the point that the NX wasn't related to the Wii U. He also said that supporting the Wii U was key even though they were also developing software for the NX. Both of which I could understand if you read into. But neither are proof of anything. He could just as easily be carefully leading the media on without telling them anything specific.The media wants to think its a Wii U successor, what better way to confuse the hell out of them to talk about it in the context of the Wii U? Especially if you top it off with "I can assure you we’re not building the next version of Wii or Wii U"

... Uhm, for starters, they could just refer to it as "Zelda" or "the next Zelda title."

"Yoshi's Wooly World" was "Yoshi's Wooly World," not "Yoshi's Wooly World for the Wii U" every time they mentioned it. Same goes even for a more recent title: Star Fox. They refer to it as "Star Fox." Not "Star Fox for the Wii U."

So there's your answer. You won't like it. I know that. Right up until they announce the next Zelda game is coming to both platforms. But there you have it.

And by the way, don't pretend to know what I'm thinking, skywake. Seriously. Shape up, man. You might get to pull that crud on some other posters, but not me. I didn't even own a Gamecube OR a Wii. I was away from Nintendo and all its gossip/workings for both of those consoles. Your comment, in context of who you're talking to here, is complete garbage. "The only reason you think it's also on NX is because it's Zelda. Its as simple as that." That is literally the ONLY thing that has no basis on my thoughts on the matter, but you chose it because it's what YOU think applies to most people. You thought pretty darn wrong, man.

@rallydefault: When they first announced it they called it "the new Zelda game for Wii U". When they showed it at the game awards last year they only referred to it as "Zelda" and didn't mention the Wii U once. Well, if you don't count the fact that it was a live demo and they were playing it on a Wii U. As I said, I don't think there's any way they could present it to convince you otherwise.

As for your huge whine about me daring to suggest I knew what your were thinking. For a start harden up, get over it. I wasn't insulting you at all. I also don't know why you're going on about the Gamecube and Wii because that literally has nothing to do with it. What I meant was that Zelda is a big title and the NX needs a big title. Why does everyone think Zelda is headed to the NX and not StarFox? Well, it's Zelda. That's the only reason.

@skywake

Nothing announced at TGA. If wii u is to last thru the year why have they so few games announced? Do you realize we knew every title to release in 2015 in early to mid 2014?

@LetsGoRetro:
Which adds weight to the argument I was just making. The only reason you people think Zelda is headed to the NX is because there aren't any other big games "coming soon". And if you hadn't noticed the same is also true for the 3DS ATM. Just to make a point here's a quick list of the "big" 2016 games for both.

Wii U:

• Twilight Princess HD
• Star Fox Zero
• Zelda
• Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem

3DS:

• Fire Emblem Fates
• Metroid Prime Federation Force
• Hyrule Warriors Legends
• Braverly Second

So to be clear, you think the fact that only 4 games are announced further supports that then the idea that no new games is a serious serious problem for your no new console in 2016 theory?

Ive said multiple times in this thread that i only think this cuz zelda is zelda. A lack of game strengthens my argument, not yours

And if my theory is right you lose 1 of your 4 titles. Leaving 3. One being a remaster. So 2 new games. Only one from Ninty. So one game. How many did they announce last year?

Since youre going to want to include zelda then two games. Thats not a heck of a lot

And the same isn't true for the 3DS? Hyrule Warriors Legends is a port of a Wii U game. Metroid Prime Federation Force is a new game but it's far from original. Fire Emblem Fates and Braverly Second are both sequels and are both already out in Japan. Braverly Second isn't even published by Nintendo.

If the argument was swapped you'd be arguing that the Wii U has 4 games and the 3DS 0.

No I agree that the only reason you think Zelda is headed to the NX is because it's Zelda. That's the only thing you have going for your argument. Which is why I think it's a pretty damn weak argument and why I was pointing it out. There's no evidence to this theory beyond "Zelda exists, NX is also a thing. Therefore Zelda should come to NX"

I didnt pick up on the fact that you were saying the 3ds has just as few games. You have a point there. Of course that could point towards the hybrid theory.

As for Zelda being Zelda being my only argument, if you can't see why it makes business sense to use it to propel a hopeful system instead of throw it on a sinking ship, then agree to disagree, i suppose.

I'm not saying that Zelda wouldn't be a good launch title. I'm saying the only reason you think this particular Zelda is coming to the NX is because there's nothing else announced as coming soon. If we are going to assume anything it would be that more games are going to launch alongside the NX. We can probably also assume that Nintendo is working on quite a few titles for launch. It's almost a certainty that once we know what those are you won't be talking about how the NX "needs" Zelda on it at launch.

When the 3DS was announced we didn't know about any of the games that were coming to it. We were told about Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus, Ocarina of Time 3D, Mario Kart and a few others once we knew about the 3DS. With the Wii U announcements they weren't as strong but we were still told about Pikmin 3, New SMB, Zombi U and Rayman after the unveil but before launch. Same deal going back to the Wii where we were told about Twilight Princess but we also got Wii Sports, WarioWare, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Red Steel and a few others.

Basically at this point we can't see what the launch games will be. The only games we can talk about are the ones we already know about, Zelda being the biggest of those. But that doesn't mean its going to be ported to NX. It just means there are no other games we could imagine being on the NX at this point. There will be but we don't know what they are.

@skywake

So, i just reread the article where kimishima says nx will not carry on the wii line. Read that last paragraph again.

He specificially states that they cant abandon the wii u and move on to the nx. How obvious can they make it?

The original article points out that the question that was being asked was specifically about the Wii U. So naturally the response talks about the Wii U and how they're not looking to abandon that user base. That the Wii U still needs more content to make sure that people are satisfied with their purchase and keep playing games on it.

That's when he brought up the NX. After a general statement about not abandoning users and moving on to the next thing. The NX, whatever it is, is clearly the next thing. Just as the 3DS was the next thing during those last few years of the Wii. Or how the Wii U became the next thing while the 3DS was just starting to pick up steam. Sure you can read it and assume he meant that the NX replaces the Wii U as the next home console if you want. That's not what he said though. He was a bit more careful with his words than that.

It isn't the first time they have lumped together Wii U and NX in the same conversation, which sort of implies it is somehow connected.

But even if it is a home console, it doesn't mean ZeldaU will come to the NX. NX will probably have a different architecture and tool set, to match modern engines and the competition. Or it might be to heavily dependent on the gamepad.
Which means it might be to much of a PITA to port it. We simply do not know.

And just to be clear, if it is indeed coming to NX, it will either be as a dual-release or a port (remaster) later on. They simply can't reinforce in the latest direct that it is a Wii U release to later abandon it. That would be very bad for their reputation and would be a big FU to their biggest fans.

It is and it kinda does but it's pretty clear that he was being asked a LOT of questions about the Wii U and mobile. The 3DS wasn't mentioned once in the whole article. And I'm talking about the original article on Time not the selective quoting of it from other sites. It would have been interesting to see if the same sort of wording would have been used if they asked about how the 3DS relates to the NX.

I am not saying it can't be a portable, but I think this interview is yet another smoking gun. But you know my stance by now.

... "Huge whine?" Are you serious? "Harden up"? Sounds like someone's a little insecure, and it ain't me. Dude, I don't care an ounce about you or what you think. Don't flatter yourself. I got serious and told you to step off and to never assume you know what I'm thinking. YOU need to deal with that and shape the heck up. Sounds to me like you're the one getting a little hurt as soon as someone aside from SCAR calls you out on your nonsense.

Why do I bring up the Gamecube/Wii? Because that's the last time this situation happened. Are you serious? You're fighting a losing battle, man, and it's starting to be funny. You're like that AlexSays guy who hasn't been around for awhile. You remember him? Yea - he was just like you. Never thought he was wrong. You notice that about your posts? Somehow, you're never wrong. I've never seen you admit a single thing to anyone on this board. If that's not a sign of someone who IS wrong, then I don't know what is.

And why do I not believe Star Fox is coming to both systems? Because the launch window doesn't match up. If Star Fox was suddenly pushed back to holiday '16, then I would immediately become suspicious. Heck, if Yoshi's Wooly World would have suddenly been pushed back into the same launch window I would begin to have similar thoughts. This has nothing to do with it being a Zelda game, but everything to do with the timing revamps and the diction.

And I love how you really had no solid response against my initial argument. Speaks volumes. You think it's the "weakest" of the bunch, yet you have no real counter for it aside from, "When they first announced it they called it 'the new Zelda game for Wii U'." Yea, when they FIRST announced it. After the suspicious delay and the whispers of the NX is, coincidentally, about the time when they started to refer to it in the manner I cited. But bah, it's just a coincidence. Nintendo would never make a smart business move like this. They don't want money for this new system they're releasing. They'll be content to release this Zelda only for a dying console with half the install base of its competitors, and make owners of the NX wait another 5-6 years for a proper Zelda title. Reaching large audiences and turning profit are overrated.