@Ralizah
Also I don't care about "popularity on PS". Let it be popular on PS. That's fine and well. But what I'm referring to is popularity on Switch and among Nintendo fans, which is a completely separate discussion to popularity elsewhere.
Spinoff or not, it still sold VERY well on its original release. Nobody's expecting it to do as well as the mainline series. But I'd certainly expect it to do far better than #1000 on Amazon US when the game is mere weeks away. We're not talking about a Chocobo Racer or Dungeon crawler, or even a mobile game ported over like FFXV. This is a core series genre entry. Just because it's not a perfect whole number doesn't change that.
This is a massive release. It's not some cheap HD remaster that still looks like a PS2 game like FFX or FFXII. This is bordering a full remake, with visuals that look about as good as Switch can handle, and at a glance not all that different from the AAA release of FFVII Remake. It's dropping day and date, and ties into the story of the single biggest FF entry of the entire series, which is relevant as ever.
You'd expect a bit more than, "eh, it's not 'associated' with Nintendo due to marketing bribes and exclusivity decades ago and isn't a whole number entry so who cares"
Yeah I don't think there's a huge audience for Crisis Core on Switch unless you're a Final Fantasy diehard who only has Nintendo, which in 2022 is probably not a huge audience.
Which again, should I be angry at the hypocrisy or did SE actually learn a thing from Neo's bad marketing? Or the more likely third option, they're just expecting a relatively small amount of easy money from a port of this, while their focus is on Harvestella and Octopath 2 for Switch audiences.
@gcunit
What I meant by cost is in terms of hardware. There's "VR" and then there's VR VR. Proper VR demands high refresh rate preferably OLED screens sitting behind decent lenses in a headset that can be tracked in 3D space. Ideally also with a pair of controllers that can do the same. It's well within reach but it wouldn't also be a portable console like the Switch
The way I see it there are two ways it could happen. It's either an accessory for Switch in a similar way to Playstation VR, if it was this the VR headset would pretty much be the same price as the Switch itself. Not really an easy sell, I don't think this makes sense. Alternatively they go the Quest route and do an all-in-one unit. Which could work and could possibly even dock but.... you'd lose portable play
I think VR on Nintendo will remain in the form of LABO VR for a while yet
Just for clarity, I've never even considered Nintendo going for the additional hardware VR route. I'm talking utilising the slot-in convenience and cost efficiency of using the Switch tablet, exactly as with LABO VR. There'd be peripheral head strap options, of course, but the USP would be no additional significant outlay for the customer.
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@kkslider5552000
Why would you have to be a Final Fantasy diehard? And why would you have to only have a Switch?
The game is appealing to anyone who likes JRPGs, and there's a LOT of JRPG fans on Switch. Why would this be any different than any other quality JRPG?
And why would Switch-only gamers be the only ones interested? That makes no sense to me at all. If anything this game looks the same on Switch as every other platform barring resolution. It should be the definitive version for anyone except those who don't own a Switch. I can understand games like Witcher 3 that are heavily downgraded but this looks practically built ground up for Switch, and simply tacked on other versions cause they can run it also.
I can't comprehend why anyone would think this game is "niche". Like, it's the tie in for the biggest JRPG release of all time. If even Persona 5 Strikers, a Warriors spinoff that wasn't even a turn based JRPG and tied into the story as a sequel to Persona 5, a series half as popular as Final Fantasy, can do well on Switch, I see no reason a day and date near-remake of the prequel to Final Fantasy VII wouldn't easily be the best selling FF on the system to date.
@JaxonH Seems I misread that portion of your post. Apologies.
Anyway, the lack of interest in the Switch port shouldn't be a mystery. Interest in this remake is limited to begin with, which means only a fraction of the FF7 fandom will be buying in, and of the fraction that is interested, most will likely maintain a heavy preference for Playstation and Sony's gaming ecosystem overall.
Moreover, the entire modern subseries is available on Playstation consoles vs. only Reunion being available on Switch. If you care about this series, it's highly likely you already own and play games on a Playstation console.
Sony's exclusivity antics don't really mean anything with regard to FF7 on Nintendo consoles in general. A major reason that the original didn't release on N64 was because Nintendo opted for cartridges over CD-ROMs, and their other modern FF releases like Remake, Rebirth, and XVI wouldn't be able to run on the Switch anyway.
@JaxonH I mean, you may be right, but you don't actually know that. There's more popular games than Crisis Core that didn't do great on Switch. At the end of the day, Crisis Core is not nearly as popular as a mainline FF game, they have more Switch-centric games to promote, they'd rather prioritize this as a mid-tier release for hardcore fans of FFVII that's part of the big marketing frenzy of FFVII remake rather than anything else.
Honestly the best case you have is that SE has been doing stupid things (BaByLoN's FaLl) so its a fair assumption that not promoting this on Switch could be another stupid thing.
Yoshinori Kitase (Producer, Crisis Core Final Fantasy VII Reunion): "If a game’s original hardware is no longer manufactured, it can be difficult to play the title. Crisis Core is an example of that.
Of course, it would be possible to use cloud technology to play the game at its original specs, but the truth is that after Final Fantasy VII Remake fans have higher expectations towards the graphics.
So, I think that it’s definitely worthwhile remastering the game for current generation platforms in order to meet these expectations."
FFVII Remake is the reason the Crisis Core remaster exists, otherwise it would've been a cloud version of the original on PS Now/PS+ Premium.
@Ralizah
No worries. Was just saying for a "remaster", it's surprising how similar it looks. Basically about what you'd expext FFVII Remake to look like if it had been built for Switch.
Per the exclusivity, that's addressing more than just Switch. It's addressing the "association" as you put it. And I think they're desperately trying to hold onto that association because they see it continually slipping away. This generation has been a trend-breaker in numerous respects- Final Fantasy being one of them. Sure, 13 and 15 released on Xbox, but they never cultivated any kind of major audience. Whereas on Switch, there is most definitely a JRPG audience, including for Final Fantasy.
While demand compared to 7 may be somewhat diminished, to what degree matters far more. Like, ok, it's not gonna sell 5-10 million copies. Ok. Does that mean literally no one cares and it'll struggle to break 100k? Far from it. The original sold a couple million units, and the series is bigger now than its ever been.
As GameSpot awarded it an "Editor's Choice" label for the original release they stated "Crisis Core is an exciting and poignant journey that every fan of role-playing games should take."
It's always been a quality game that should appeal to anyone into JRPGs, and I'd argue, an ice breaker gateway for those who aren't, as the series mix of real time has always made it an easier pill to swallow for non-turn based fans than say, FFX.
I don't disagree that due to the series' presence on PS, many fans likely own one, but that's true for many, many other games that have excelled on Switch. Persona has always been on PS. And yet, it's doing super well on Switch. Trails from Zero- another series historically on PS, outselling all other versions. There's countless games "associated with PS" or which have most their games on PS, that are seeing absolute blowouts on Switch. Why would this be any different? How did those ppl become fans on PS in the first place? It was because Square Enix brought the series historically on Nintendo over to PS, and ppl bought it. Why would the same thing not happen in reverse? I mean sure, there's still the option to buy it there, but I think we all know by now the appeal of Switch is large because so many ppl would rather play on a hybrid system if given the choice. The recent Persona 5 Royal and Trails releases tell us that much.
@kkslider5552000
I don't know anything, but I see no evidence to suggest the game is "only for hard-core fans". The original sold between 2-3 million copies, and on a single system at that. That's more than most JRPGs on Switch or PS sell nowadays. If you don't need to be a "hard-core fan" to play JRPGs that sell 500k, why would you need to be one to play a multi-million seller? That just doesn't compute for me. What about this game in particular dictates the need to "be a hard-core fan"? I could understand if it was like, a rhythm game spinoff of FFVII or something. That's a game for the fans, similar to Persona 4 Dancing. But even then, P4D was also for anyone who liked good rhythm games. And Crisis Core... is no rhythm game. It's a core JRPG no different than Final Fantasy VII or any other mainline entry. So it's appeal should be no different than any other mainline entry. Granted, it wasn't created by Sakaguchi, but it was grounded in his work with VII and reviewed well.
What happened to just buying good games? When Octopath Traveler released there were no "hard-core fans". How could there be. It was a brand new IP. But ppl still bought it because it looked good. And games looking good is the #1 driver behind sales. You don't develop a fandom in the first place if ppl never bought games that look good.
This release may not be as big as FFVII Remake, but it's sure as heck bigger than 90% of the other JRPGs ppl gobble up on Switch. And definitely the highest budget Final Fantasy to ever hit a Nintendo platform. Anyone with even an inkling of interest in JRPGs, Final Fantasy, or VII in particular- this game should be for them.
I grabbed a best buy copy a month or two ago. Not sure I'll have time on release since I'm playing persona 5, but I'll do my best! It looks pretty great, and I love the original FF7, so I should enjoy it.
@NintendoByNature
Best Buy includes a G4-sized Switch steelbook with purchase for Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core, which is awesome
They even listed the steelbook separately for a bit. It was like $10 or something? I grabbed 2 extras just in case. Originally thought it was gonna require an EU import to get one.
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Perhaps it’s because the switch is not the most up to date in the graphics department that some games are not as popular on this platform as they are on other consoles.
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@gcunit
I tend to agree but I don't really consider that kind of LABO/Cardboard VR as a "direction". It's a novelty sure, it's a stretch to call it an accessory. It's not a direction. What @Giancarlothomaz and others mean when they say "Nintendo VR" is some kind of dedicated hardware for VR..... which is possible but I think unlikely given the cost and niche interest
Cardboard though? Cardboard is cardboard. There's pretty much zero commitment required other than making the software for it. But it's also not in really VR
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@Atomic77 just as i have stated before, Switch techinal/graphical power is a Xbox 360+++,making some games very hard to port on the console(that why we have the cloud version of several games), but if the Switch sucessor techinal/graphical power is a PS4+++, it would make much easier to port this kinda of games, this big release could come to Switch sucessor if he is 2/5+ more powerful then Switch, indicating that in dock Mode he around a PS4 Pro in power and in Handheld Mode a base PS4 in power, acording to the leaked Nvidia data, that showed possible specs for the Switch sucessor, meaning it gonna be a quite beefy powerful hardware, alowing Nintendo and third parties to make good use of it CPU/GPU.
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